Power attack with charge [Archive] - Wizards Community

Power attack with charge [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Spikes01k
07-16-07, 10:14 AM Dear Board. I am currently playing with a DM who is new to running a D&D game. If some one could please help me in ways to politely informing my DM the reasons why one should be able to power attack with a charge...

Yeah, my DM i currently said that one can not perfom power attack while charging. I was very polite and simply waited till the end of the game to ask him to please review the rules again. He gave me the statement "are you fighting me on this?" I said no I again just wish he would please look over power attack again.

So I am seeing my GM might be a bit of a problem with simple rules... Any help would be great.
sirkently
07-16-07, 10:53 AM Well, you tried to be diplomatic and it didn't work. Seems that the GM has a little be of a "god" complex. My next step would be to write out the applicable rules on a piece of paper that explains the proper ruling and tell him that if he wants to house rule that you can't PA on a charge thats fine, but he should tell you of any changes he plans to make to the rules beforehand.
Spikes01k
07-16-07, 10:59 AM Well, you tried to be diplomatic and it didn't work. Seems that the GM has a little be of a "god" complex. My next step would be to write out the applicable rules on a piece of paper that explains the proper ruling and tell him that if he wants to house rule that you can't PA on a charge thats fine, but he should tell you of any changes he plans to make to the rules beforehand.

Thats a thought. I will try that if things get too troublesome. Thanks.
Frugal
07-16-07, 11:02 AM I think the best you can do is just reply to, "are you fighting me on this," with a simple, "I'm not trying to make this a fight, I just think you missed something in the rules and would appreciate it if you'd review it." Make sure to keep a level head and also (if you have to) point out that you waited for the end of the session so you wouldn't disrupt things or bog down the game with checking rules so you'd appreciate some courtesy being returned to you in that he double check the rules.

If he doesn't respond to a reasonable, respectful discussion outside of the game then I'd be looking for a new DM quite frankly because his response really doesn't bode well for his game being very enjoyable.

In my group, the GM always reserves some time at the beginning of a session to discuss and rules issues or questions that came up. Sometimes it's stuff people have discussed between sessions, sometimes it's something he's screwed up (or wants to change), sometimes it's someone has read a rule somewhere and wants a judgement. Encourage your DM to employ a similar strategy, maybe doing it under a similar formal structure will really help with things.
Davro
07-16-07, 11:07 AM Given that there are feats that revolve around power attacking on a charge... Leap Attack leaps immediately to mind.
ShinAkuma2
07-16-07, 01:27 PM Did he give any reason at all to think that you can't Power Attack on a charge? What's his logic?
Evicmar
07-16-07, 01:38 PM I would show your DM the leap attack feat and say that you were planning on building your character to use this. Then let him know that if he is not going to let you do this then you would like to redo your character. If he still insists that you will not get to leap attack and you can not redo your character then drop from the game.

On the flip side, did your DM state which books were and were not allowed? If he is restricting what's allowed it may make sense for him to add some house rules. Just make sure you have him write out the house rules and give everyone a copy. I've ran into a few DM's that change house rules without notifying anyone when it's to their advantage. Keep the game fair for all that play.
Spikes01k
07-16-07, 03:23 PM Did he give any reason at all to think that you can't Power Attack on a charge? What's his logic?

I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue.
Evicmar
07-16-07, 03:32 PM I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue.

If movement is the issue he's really going to dislike the mounted combat rules. You can power attack while mounted also. And the X3 with a lance during a spirited charge applies to power attack.
Frugal
07-16-07, 03:38 PM I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue.

So he thinks you can only power attack if you stand still?
Nephlite
07-16-07, 04:05 PM I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue.
Ask him to reread the Power attack feat.
Ask him where movement is restricted.
Failling that: ask him to reread Charge option in PHB.
Note the lack of preventing power attack.

Assuming he follows the fact that the rules don't prevent this will be enough.
Nom
07-16-07, 07:55 PM Note that it's entirely legal to declare Power Attack and then not attack. The rules require that it be declared on your action turn and before you make any attacks for the round. It's perfectly legal to declare PA and then double move, hoping to use it on an AoO. Charge falls into the same category. It's even legal, though somewhat pointless, to perform the move part of the charge and then declare PA before you resolve the attack roll.
LordBOB777
07-17-07, 02:26 AM Has your DM never seen ANY anime EVER?!?!?!?!? Isnt that how most fight scenes work, the faster you run the harder you hit? ( you know what i mean)

Even in real life, if i stand still i shouldnt be able to hit you as hard as when im moveing. Sure if i run i might miss you, but if i do hit its going to hurt more. I think thats was PA is.

If your DM has an issue with movement ask him to let you hit him. The first hit will be standing still, and the second will be a moveing hit (basically a charge). If your first hit hurts more than the second, your DM's rule will stand. If you fail to change his mind look on the bright side, at least you got to hit the BA****D :D

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Spikes01k 07-16-07, 10:14 AM	Dear Board. I am currently playing with a DM who is new to running a D&D game. If some one could please help me in ways to politely informing my DM the reasons why one should be able to power attack with a charge... Yeah, my DM i currently said that one can not perfom power attack while charging. I was very polite and simply waited till the end of the game to ask him to please review the rules again. He gave me the statement "are you fighting me on this?" I said no I again just wish he would please look over power attack again. So I am seeing my GM might be a bit of a problem with simple rules... Any help would be great.
sirkently 07-16-07, 10:53 AM	Well, you tried to be diplomatic and it didn't work. Seems that the GM has a little be of a "god" complex. My next step would be to write out the applicable rules on a piece of paper that explains the proper ruling and tell him that if he wants to house rule that you can't PA on a charge thats fine, but he should tell you of any changes he plans to make to the rules beforehand.
Spikes01k 07-16-07, 10:59 AM	Well, you tried to be diplomatic and it didn't work. Seems that the GM has a little be of a "god" complex. My next step would be to write out the applicable rules on a piece of paper that explains the proper ruling and tell him that if he wants to house rule that you can't PA on a charge thats fine, but he should tell you of any changes he plans to make to the rules beforehand. Thats a thought. I will try that if things get too troublesome. Thanks.
Frugal 07-16-07, 11:02 AM	I think the best you can do is just reply to, "are you fighting me on this," with a simple, "I'm not trying to make this a fight, I just think you missed something in the rules and would appreciate it if you'd review it." Make sure to keep a level head and also (if you have to) point out that you waited for the end of the session so you wouldn't disrupt things or bog down the game with checking rules so you'd appreciate some courtesy being returned to you in that he double check the rules. If he doesn't respond to a reasonable, respectful discussion outside of the game then I'd be looking for a new DM quite frankly because his response really doesn't bode well for his game being very enjoyable. In my group, the GM always reserves some time at the beginning of a session to discuss and rules issues or questions that came up. Sometimes it's stuff people have discussed between sessions, sometimes it's something he's screwed up (or wants to change), sometimes it's someone has read a rule somewhere and wants a judgement. Encourage your DM to employ a similar strategy, maybe doing it under a similar formal structure will really help with things.
Davro 07-16-07, 11:07 AM	Given that there are feats that revolve around power attacking on a charge... Leap Attack leaps immediately to mind.
ShinAkuma2 07-16-07, 01:27 PM	Did he give any reason at all to think that you can't Power Attack on a charge? What's his logic?
Evicmar 07-16-07, 01:38 PM	I would show your DM the leap attack feat and say that you were planning on building your character to use this. Then let him know that if he is not going to let you do this then you would like to redo your character. If he still insists that you will not get to leap attack and you can not redo your character then drop from the game. On the flip side, did your DM state which books were and were not allowed? If he is restricting what's allowed it may make sense for him to add some house rules. Just make sure you have him write out the house rules and give everyone a copy. I've ran into a few DM's that change house rules without notifying anyone when it's to their advantage. Keep the game fair for all that play.
Spikes01k 07-16-07, 03:23 PM	Did he give any reason at all to think that you can't Power Attack on a charge? What's his logic? I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue.
Evicmar 07-16-07, 03:32 PM	I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue. If movement is the issue he's really going to dislike the mounted combat rules. You can power attack while mounted also. And the X3 with a lance during a spirited charge applies to power attack.
Frugal 07-16-07, 03:38 PM	I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue. So he thinks you can only power attack if you stand still?
Nephlite 07-16-07, 04:05 PM	I didn't want to actually fight him on this. I wanted to keep playing and have him look over the rule on his own time, where I wouldn't seem to be pressuring him. He said that the movement was an issue. Ask him to reread the Power attack feat. Ask him where movement is restricted. Failling that: ask him to reread Charge option in PHB. Note the lack of preventing power attack. Assuming he follows the fact that the rules don't prevent this will be enough.
Nom 07-16-07, 07:55 PM	Note that it's entirely legal to declare Power Attack and then not attack. The rules require that it be declared on your action turn and before you make any attacks for the round. It's perfectly legal to declare PA and then double move, hoping to use it on an AoO. Charge falls into the same category. It's even legal, though somewhat pointless, to perform the move part of the charge and then declare PA before you resolve the attack roll.
LordBOB777 07-17-07, 02:26 AM	Has your DM never seen ANY anime EVER?!?!?!?!? Isnt that how most fight scenes work, the faster you run the harder you hit? ( you know what i mean) Even in real life, if i stand still i shouldnt be able to hit you as hard as when im moveing. Sure if i run i might miss you, but if i do hit its going to hurt more. I think thats was PA is. If your DM has an issue with movement ask him to let you hit him. The first hit will be standing still, and the second will be a moveing hit (basically a charge). If your first hit hurts more than the second, your DM's rule will stand. If you fail to change his mind look on the bright side, at least you got to hit the BA****D :D