Question about Metamagic [Archive] - Wizards Community

Question about Metamagic [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LordNightwinter
12-28-06, 10:46 AM I am looking for a list of feats/classes that reduce your metamagic level increases or improve your metamagic casting. I know that's a broad request so let me narrow it down.

I am planning on playing a Necromancer of sorts, I like the ability to use Fell Animate. Fell Animate when compiled with Metamagic School Focus (Complete Mage) reduces it's cost by -1, if I were to take Arcane Thesis (don't remember what that's from) that would reduce a certain spell by -1 again. Any other suggestions for me?

See my conversion PrC from LM Arcane Necromancer (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=11021793#post11021793)
risner
12-28-06, 12:02 PM Easy Metamagic also reduces.

You will need to read all three to make sure they do interact/stack.
LordNightwinter
12-28-06, 12:15 PM Alright, that's a good start as well. Thanks!
LordNightwinter
01-08-07, 01:38 PM Anyone else have any input?
CantripN
01-08-07, 01:45 PM Incantatrix and Ultimate Magus are both PrCs that allow for some very nice metamagic.
LordNightwinter
03-23-07, 11:53 AM Any other suggestions as to feats/etc. I've come into another feat I like, persistent spell. If I could, again, I'd like to try and find a way to reduce the cost of that a bit. The campaign is a low-magic campaign so my spells don't get cast as much and my abilties are a bit muted as a caster on top of that. It would be helpful to have a persistent Mage Armor or Shield.
Merestil Haye
03-23-07, 12:15 PM Any other suggestions as to feats/etc. I've come into another feat I like, persistent spell. If I could, again, I'd like to try and find a way to reduce the cost of that a bit. The campaign is a low-magic campaign so my spells don't get cast as much and my abilties are a bit muted as a caster on top of that. It would be helpful to have a persistent Mage Armor or Shield.The list of spells that can be persisted is very small, and does not include any spell with a range of "touch" as that is not "a fixed range, expressed in feet". You can persist Shield but not Mage Armour.

There are very few ways to reduce the cost that have not already been mentioned, at least not for an arcane caster. The cost is deliberately very high, and they don't want it easily circumvented.
LordNightwinter
03-23-07, 01:00 PM Well, I understand that. Beyond Easy Metamagic and Metamagic School Focus I can't see anything else that reduces it myself unless I wanted to take Arcane Thesis on a certain spell.

I know they don't want people to be able to circumvent it early I am just looking for something to ease the burden. As it stands even with those three it would still take up a slot 3 levels higher for shield. I don't consider that game-breaking. Now if I were to Extend+Persist+Shield and make it take 4 levels higher that would be 48 hours instead of 24. I don't have my books in front of my so I don't know if it is even possible but that seems to be pushing the limits. Maybe. Even so, with the limitations in place it wouldn't really be game-breaking in the first place. There is a set list of spells you can persist/permanency.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LordNightwinter 12-28-06, 10:46 AM	I am looking for a list of feats/classes that reduce your metamagic level increases or improve your metamagic casting. I know that's a broad request so let me narrow it down. I am planning on playing a Necromancer of sorts, I like the ability to use Fell Animate. Fell Animate when compiled with Metamagic School Focus (Complete Mage) reduces it's cost by -1, if I were to take Arcane Thesis (don't remember what that's from) that would reduce a certain spell by -1 again. Any other suggestions for me? See my conversion PrC from LM Arcane Necromancer (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=11021793#post11021793)
risner 12-28-06, 12:02 PM	Easy Metamagic also reduces. You will need to read all three to make sure they do interact/stack.
LordNightwinter 12-28-06, 12:15 PM	Alright, that's a good start as well. Thanks!
LordNightwinter 01-08-07, 01:38 PM	Anyone else have any input?
CantripN 01-08-07, 01:45 PM	Incantatrix and Ultimate Magus are both PrCs that allow for some very nice metamagic.
LordNightwinter 03-23-07, 11:53 AM	Any other suggestions as to feats/etc. I've come into another feat I like, persistent spell. If I could, again, I'd like to try and find a way to reduce the cost of that a bit. The campaign is a low-magic campaign so my spells don't get cast as much and my abilties are a bit muted as a caster on top of that. It would be helpful to have a persistent Mage Armor or Shield.
Merestil Haye 03-23-07, 12:15 PM	Any other suggestions as to feats/etc. I've come into another feat I like, persistent spell. If I could, again, I'd like to try and find a way to reduce the cost of that a bit. The campaign is a low-magic campaign so my spells don't get cast as much and my abilties are a bit muted as a caster on top of that. It would be helpful to have a persistent Mage Armor or Shield.The list of spells that can be persisted is very small, and does not include any spell with a range of "touch" as that is not "a fixed range, expressed in feet". You can persist Shield but not Mage Armour. There are very few ways to reduce the cost that have not already been mentioned, at least not for an arcane caster. The cost is deliberately very high, and they don't want it easily circumvented.
LordNightwinter 03-23-07, 01:00 PM	Well, I understand that. Beyond Easy Metamagic and Metamagic School Focus I can't see anything else that reduces it myself unless I wanted to take Arcane Thesis on a certain spell. I know they don't want people to be able to circumvent it early I am just looking for something to ease the burden. As it stands even with those three it would still take up a slot 3 levels higher for shield. I don't consider that game-breaking. Now if I were to Extend+Persist+Shield and make it take 4 levels higher that would be 48 hours instead of 24. I don't have my books in front of my so I don't know if it is even possible but that seems to be pushing the limits. Maybe. Even so, with the limitations in place it wouldn't really be game-breaking in the first place. There is a set list of spells you can persist/permanency.