Question about Sudden Meta-Magic feats in Complete Arcane... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Question about Sudden Meta-Magic feats in Complete Arcane... [Archive] - Wizards Community

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BW879
03-05-07, 05:09 PM I'm hopeing this is the right place for this question. Anyway, first a quick background.

I'm currently playing a 10th level Warmage in a campaign here at school and for the first time last game I finally used my Sudden Empower class skill.
I rolled my touch attack for my Orb of Force, when the DM told me it hit I declared that I wanted to use my Sudden Empower and he oked it. Another player however corrected him, saying that I have to declare the Sudden Meta Magic feat BEFORE I roll for the attack, not after.

So my question is, who was right? I know it comes down to the DM's call but for future refence, who was right rules-wise? Can I Sudden (MMF) after I see if the attack hits or do I have to do it before hand?
Novacat
03-05-07, 05:12 PM The other player was correct. You must announce your use of ANY metamagic feat before casting the spell. Sudden metamagic is no exception.
cwslyclgh
03-05-07, 05:14 PM technically the other player is correct, you are supposed to declare you are using a sudden meta-magic feat before you determine the results of the spell, which includes making attack rolls.
BW879
03-05-07, 05:16 PM Alright, thanks for the help. I'm also assumeing that if I don't hit with SUdden Empowered spell I loose my Sudden Empower for the day?
cwslyclgh
03-05-07, 05:17 PM yep
Zherog
03-05-07, 05:17 PM Correct.
Zardnaar
03-05-07, 05:18 PM You are supposed to apply the feat when you cast the spell but before you make an attack roll. Your DM is either kind or wrong.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
BW879 03-05-07, 05:09 PM	I'm hopeing this is the right place for this question. Anyway, first a quick background. I'm currently playing a 10th level Warmage in a campaign here at school and for the first time last game I finally used my Sudden Empower class skill. I rolled my touch attack for my Orb of Force, when the DM told me it hit I declared that I wanted to use my Sudden Empower and he oked it. Another player however corrected him, saying that I have to declare the Sudden Meta Magic feat BEFORE I roll for the attack, not after. So my question is, who was right? I know it comes down to the DM's call but for future refence, who was right rules-wise? Can I Sudden (MMF) after I see if the attack hits or do I have to do it before hand?
Novacat 03-05-07, 05:12 PM	The other player was correct. You must announce your use of ANY metamagic feat before casting the spell. Sudden metamagic is no exception.
cwslyclgh 03-05-07, 05:14 PM	technically the other player is correct, you are supposed to declare you are using a sudden meta-magic feat before you determine the results of the spell, which includes making attack rolls.
BW879 03-05-07, 05:16 PM	Alright, thanks for the help. I'm also assumeing that if I don't hit with SUdden Empowered spell I loose my Sudden Empower for the day?
cwslyclgh 03-05-07, 05:17 PM	yep
Zherog 03-05-07, 05:17 PM	Correct.
Zardnaar 03-05-07, 05:18 PM	You are supposed to apply the feat when you cast the spell but before you make an attack roll. Your DM is either kind or wrong.