Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Insanity 02-27-08, 09:14 PM	If a character, or even a monster, has a Special Ability that is Ability-based, if that Ability is increased even temporarily, does the DC also increase temporarily? i.e. the Troglodyte's Stench is Constitution-based, if a Trog barbarian rages, does the DC increase for the duration of the rage?
herrdoktor 02-28-08, 01:30 AM	i don't know of a ruling, though i would suppose so (it's prob. one of the main reasons that what ability it's keyed off is listed (that and increasing it when advancing monsters))
runestar 02-28-08, 02:02 AM	Yes. I expect some jokes about the trog saying like "You don't like me when I am angry!". It then proceeds to rage, and everyone falls down from its now stronger stench...:P
Merestil Haye 02-28-08, 08:13 AM	The relevant rule is found in the instructions on how to read the monster entries in the MM. When a special ability allows a saving throw, the kind of save and the save DC is noted in the descriptive text. Most saving throws against special abilities have DCs calculated as follows: 10 + ½ the attacker’s racial Hit Dice + the relevant ability modifier. The save DC is given in the creature’s description along with the ability on which the DC is based.A change to an ability modifier is effective for all purposes that the rules or the source of the change do not explicitly exclude. So yes, if the Trog rages the save DC against his stench does increase. Raging increases the save DC against anything that requires a Fort save (unless the raging creature has a null Con score). Wyvern Barbarian, anyone?
Insanity 02-28-08, 10:55 AM	Thanks, I understood how to calculate the DC, I was unsure on how to handle temporary increases.