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Spiritwalker 10-26-07, 04:33 AM	It's come to my attention that certain feats printed in dragon magic require you to have a number of draconic feats to gain better effects. however, for the dms out there, would you ruke that 'draconic' reffered simply to those feats with the [draconic] descriptor, or also those requiring the dragonblood subtype?
goawayugh 10-26-07, 08:59 AM	A draconic feat has the [draconic] descriptor tag. Just like an epic feat says [epic], a general feat says [general], a psionic feat says [psionic], ... you get the point.
vorpo 10-26-07, 04:28 PM	Only the feats with the [draconic] descriptor. Other feats that don't have that descriptor are not draconic feats even if they require dragonblood subtype. For example, the Dragontouched feat is not a draconic feat tho it gives the taker the dragonblood subtype. Though I can't think on top of my head what feats require dragonblood subtype but is not draconic feat ATM.
Voran 10-26-07, 06:22 PM	Though, I'd generally homerule that something like a Dragon Shaman counts as 'dragon blooded' for purposes of picking up relevant feats. Which generally ends up with DS'ers that have entangling breath weapons :)
vorpo 10-26-07, 09:31 PM	Though, I'd generally homerule that something like a Dragon Shaman counts as 'dragon blooded' for purposes of picking up relevant feats. Which generally ends up with DS'ers that have entangling breath weapons :) I'd think of dragon shamans as worshipers of dragons and not dragon descendants themselves. But all is good since it's a non harmful houserule :D
Voran 10-27-07, 12:54 AM	I'd think of dragon shamans as worshipers of dragons and not dragon descendants themselves. But all is good since it's a non harmful houserule :D Yeah, the main reason I decided on the houserule was in an odd way, DS are 'more connected' to dragons than a dragonblooded appears to be. I mean, as a DS you get a breath weapon of greater frequency, plus all the funky draconic auras/etc moreso than a being actually of draconic bloodline.
Xeorsos 10-27-07, 06:13 PM	I'd think of dragon shamans as worshipers of dragons and not dragon descendants themselves. But all is good since it's a non harmful houserule :D Keep in mind, though, that a Dragonfire Adept is conceptually exactly the same as a Dragon Shaman- a worshipper of dragons. But they get the Dragonblooded subtype at 1st level through the use of a free feat. I think Dragon Shamans didn't get it because the feat wasn't available until Dragon Magic came out.
vorpo 10-27-07, 08:28 PM	Keep in mind, though, that a Dragonfire Adept is conceptually exactly the same as a Dragon Shaman- a worshipper of dragons. But they get the Dragonblooded subtype at 1st level through the use of a free feat. I think Dragon Shamans didn't get it because the feat wasn't available until Dragon Magic came out. Also keep in mind that DFAs are trying to BECOME a dragon or at least more dragon like. DSs don't.
Jaxgaret 10-27-07, 09:26 PM	I have no problem with Voran's houserule. You should just change it so that DS's get the Dragonblooded feat for free at level 1, like DFAs. It tidies things up a bit rather than saying "they're like Dragonblooded, but not, well you know what I mean!" :) It's not like DS's are super powerful, anyway. A small boost like that is fine.
Spiritwalker 10-29-07, 07:02 AM	That's all really helpful, thanks. However, what i wanted to know was *hem* Draconic senses require you to take 4 draconic feats to get the full benefits of the feat. however, most draconic feats seem to be completely useless unless you're an arcane caster, whereas dragontouched feats (like draconic tail or wings) are useful to everyone. Would it be an okay (ie. balanced) houserule to allow the Dragontouched feats to count for the purposes of said prerequisites?
grimjack2600 10-31-07, 04:57 PM	there is always the ever useful Draconic Skin feat. +1 Natural Armor. And you can take it over and over again. However, I'd think that the house rule suggesting is far better then just out of hand saying that dragontouched feats count as draconic (because they aren't, they're dragontouched).
Twilightbourne 11-10-07, 05:15 PM	Sorry for the thread necromancy, but I have a question myself. The book states that all (except one), of the draconic feats reuire you to take them at your first level of sorcerer... however.. how does that help me qualify for draconic legacy? At most I can only get 2 draconic feats because of this.. which is only half of what is required to take the feat I want.
Leonidus 11-10-07, 05:23 PM	Sorry for the thread necromancy, but I have a question myself. The book states that all (except one), of the draconic feats reuire you to take them at your first level of sorcerer... however.. how does that help me qualify for draconic legacy? At most I can only get 2 draconic feats because of this.. which is only half of what is required to take the feat I want. Actually, you're reading it wrong. What they mean is, you have to have at least 1 level of sorcerer to take the feats. (compare to Spell Mastery) There's nothing that says they have to be taken at first level only.
Spiritwalker 11-10-07, 05:23 PM	I think it means that you have to have at least one level of sorcerer level in oreder to take the feat, not that you have to take them all at first level only