Quick Question: Two Weapon Fighting [Archive] - Wizards Community

Quick Question: Two Weapon Fighting [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Raeft
12-13-07, 08:03 PM Hi! Just a question.

Do two-weapon fighting feats reduce the penalty for dual-wielding non-thrown ranged weapons such as all types of crossbows or, if we were using them, flintlock/laser pistols? That is, do these feats (Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Greater, etc.) apply to ranged weapons?

If not, where is the errata or faq which is authoritative and states this if you could be so kind? I've had a devil of a time finding it.

And, more tricky and not so quick, if the penalties for these weapons AREN'T reduced by these feats and the extra attacks not gained... why not? Is there some game balance issue anyone can see?

Appreciating any replies. Thank you.
mvincent
12-13-07, 08:06 PM do these feats (Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Greater, etc.) apply to ranged weapons?Yup.
BugHunter
12-13-07, 08:31 PM Hi! Just a question.

Do two-weapon fighting feats reduce the penalty for dual-wielding non-thrown ranged weapons such as all types of crossbows or, if we were using them, flintlock/laser pistols? That is, do these feats (Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Greater, etc.) apply to ranged weapons?

They apply to ranged weapons only if the weapon doesn't require two hands to fire. Look in the RC on page 148 for figuring how to treat ranged weapons weight catagory.
StevenO
12-13-07, 11:26 PM Yes. The two-weapon fighting feat also apply to missle weapons subject to the normal limitiations of using those weapons one handed.
jaelis
12-14-07, 07:51 AM See for instance

Light Crossbow
...
Normally, operating a light crossbow requires two hands. However, you can shoot, but not load, a light crossbow with one hand at a -2 penalty on attack rolls. You can shoot a light crossbow with each hand, but you take a penalty on attack rolls as if attacking with two light weapons. This penalty is cumulative with the penalty for one-handed firing.

Since the TWF feat helps when using two light weapons, it helps with a light crossbow too.

The firearms weapons don't specifically say, so it would be up to a DM to decide how they work. I would treat any kind of pistol as a light weapon for TWF purposes.
Ruleroftheblind
12-15-07, 06:45 AM I once made a villain based on using multiple crossbows. He was a troll armed with 8 repeating crossbows and a small ballista strapped to his back. First round he'd fire 5 shots, one from one xbow and 4 from another. On his next round and each following round he would fire the one remaining bolt from the now empty xbow, draw another xbow, and fire 4 shots from the xbow that had previously only fired one shot. Something like that, I had it all figured out awhile ago, but whatever. It allowed him to fire around 5 bolts a round for like 6 rounds.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Raeft 12-13-07, 08:03 PM	Hi! Just a question. Do two-weapon fighting feats reduce the penalty for dual-wielding non-thrown ranged weapons such as all types of crossbows or, if we were using them, flintlock/laser pistols? That is, do these feats (Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Greater, etc.) apply to ranged weapons? If not, where is the errata or faq which is authoritative and states this if you could be so kind? I've had a devil of a time finding it. And, more tricky and not so quick, if the penalties for these weapons AREN'T reduced by these feats and the extra attacks not gained... why not? Is there some game balance issue anyone can see? Appreciating any replies. Thank you.
mvincent 12-13-07, 08:06 PM	do these feats (Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Greater, etc.) apply to ranged weapons?Yup.
BugHunter 12-13-07, 08:31 PM	Hi! Just a question. Do two-weapon fighting feats reduce the penalty for dual-wielding non-thrown ranged weapons such as all types of crossbows or, if we were using them, flintlock/laser pistols? That is, do these feats (Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Greater, etc.) apply to ranged weapons? They apply to ranged weapons only if the weapon doesn't require two hands to fire. Look in the RC on page 148 for figuring how to treat ranged weapons weight catagory.
StevenO 12-13-07, 11:26 PM	Yes. The two-weapon fighting feat also apply to missle weapons subject to the normal limitiations of using those weapons one handed.
jaelis 12-14-07, 07:51 AM	See for instance Light Crossbow ... Normally, operating a light crossbow requires two hands. However, you can shoot, but not load, a light crossbow with one hand at a -2 penalty on attack rolls. You can shoot a light crossbow with each hand, but you take a penalty on attack rolls as if attacking with two light weapons. This penalty is cumulative with the penalty for one-handed firing. Since the TWF feat helps when using two light weapons, it helps with a light crossbow too. The firearms weapons don't specifically say, so it would be up to a DM to decide how they work. I would treat any kind of pistol as a light weapon for TWF purposes.
Ruleroftheblind 12-15-07, 06:45 AM	I once made a villain based on using multiple crossbows. He was a troll armed with 8 repeating crossbows and a small ballista strapped to his back. First round he'd fire 5 shots, one from one xbow and 4 from another. On his next round and each following round he would fire the one remaining bolt from the now empty xbow, draw another xbow, and fire 4 shots from the xbow that had previously only fired one shot. Something like that, I had it all figured out awhile ago, but whatever. It allowed him to fire around 5 bolts a round for like 6 rounds.