Rapid Shot + Two Weapon Fighting + Palm Throw [Archive] - Wizards Community

Rapid Shot + Two Weapon Fighting + Palm Throw [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Xuub
08-07-07, 10:24 PM If I have Rapid Shot and Two Weapon Fighting, then how many times can I throw weapons in one round?

Now, if I add Palm Throw how many can I throw?
Ipsissimus
08-07-07, 10:30 PM Primary Attack
Off-hand Attack
Rapid Shot Attack

3

Just remember even if you don't use Rapid Shot to take the -2 to all attacks that round, on top of the TWF -2.

I'll let someone else answer the palm throw.
Xuub
08-07-07, 10:36 PM That sorta makes sense. Thanks

Also, another question... What if I add Improved Two Weapson Fighting? On top of all the other feats, how many attacks would that be?

Palm Throw says grants a Master Thrower to throw an additional weapon for each attack roll normally allowed.

Thanks again
Garonak
08-08-07, 03:02 AM To answer it simply: Rapid Shot applies only to your main hand. Thus a char with +11 BA, Rapid Shot and Greater TWF will get 7 attacks, 4 from main hand, 3 from off-hand. -4 on all attacks.
Xuub
08-08-07, 09:24 AM I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. I don't see where you get 7 attacks. Why does the BAB matter?

Is there another thread or reference that I can look to for quickly and simply figuring out how many attacks are allowed?

Primary Attack
TWF Attack
Rapid Shot Attack
Improved TWF Attack

Does that equal 4 attack rolls?

Also I'm confused about the penalties for each roll.

Then add Palm Throw which keeps the same number of rolls but if I succeed, then I roll damage twice because of the two daggers thrown per roll?

Thanks again for the help. I appreciate it.
Ovistavin
08-08-07, 10:42 AM BAB matters because it determines how many attacks the character has with his/her primary hand and Imp. Two-Weapon fighting has a prereq. of BAB +6 to keep the number of attacks equal for each hand.

With just a BAB of +6 you have (not counting other modifiers like a Strength bonus):
2 Primary Hand attacks at +6/+1.

Add in a off-hand at and this changes to (with a light weapon in off-hand, if using a one-handed weapon substract another 2 from each attack below):
2 Primary at +2/-3
1 off-hand at -2

Two-Weapon fighting reduces the penalities for using 2 weapons and changes the attacks to (again with a light weapon):
2 Primary at +4/-1
1 off-hand at +4

Improved Two-Weapon fighting adds a second off-hand attack at a -5 from your first one. So the numbers change like this:
2 Primary at +4/-1
2 Off-hand at +4/-1

Now add in Rapid Shot (which adds another -2 penality):
3 Primary at +2/+2/-3 (Rapid Shot being one of the +2 rolls)
2 off-hand at +2/-3

From what you said about Palm Throw (I am not near any of my book right now) you would throw 2 daggers with each attack doing twice the damage with each roll. That is a lot of daggers to carry around:D.

Does this help?
Hsien
08-08-07, 02:11 PM Palm throw does not give an extra attack, it simple has you throw a volley of two daggers; similar to effect of Manyshot feat.

Note regarding Palm Throw if you also have precision damage
( sneak/sudden/skirmish ):

Per CoWarr errata Palm Throw is like manyshot in that you only get one instance of Precision based damage per attack roll.
So lets say you had one level in Rogue and had a flat-footed opponent, you would only get 1d6 of sneak attack even with 2 daggers from Palm Throw.

SideNote; also like manyshot each dagger of the Palm Throw has to overcome DR seperately, iirc.
EjoThims
08-08-07, 06:46 PM Rapid Shot adds one attack and only one attack.

Palm throw changes it so that each attack is two daggers.

A player with 16 BAB, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, and rapid shot could make 8 attacks with thrown daggers.

12/7/2/-3 from BAB
12/7/2 from TWF tree
12 from Rapid Shot

The total number of daggers thrown would be 16.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Xuub 08-07-07, 10:24 PM	If I have Rapid Shot and Two Weapon Fighting, then how many times can I throw weapons in one round? Now, if I add Palm Throw how many can I throw?
Ipsissimus 08-07-07, 10:30 PM	Primary Attack Off-hand Attack Rapid Shot Attack 3 Just remember even if you don't use Rapid Shot to take the -2 to all attacks that round, on top of the TWF -2. I'll let someone else answer the palm throw.
Xuub 08-07-07, 10:36 PM	That sorta makes sense. Thanks Also, another question... What if I add Improved Two Weapson Fighting? On top of all the other feats, how many attacks would that be? Palm Throw says grants a Master Thrower to throw an additional weapon for each attack roll normally allowed. Thanks again
Garonak 08-08-07, 03:02 AM	To answer it simply: Rapid Shot applies only to your main hand. Thus a char with +11 BA, Rapid Shot and Greater TWF will get 7 attacks, 4 from main hand, 3 from off-hand. -4 on all attacks.
Xuub 08-08-07, 09:24 AM	I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. I don't see where you get 7 attacks. Why does the BAB matter? Is there another thread or reference that I can look to for quickly and simply figuring out how many attacks are allowed? Primary Attack TWF Attack Rapid Shot Attack Improved TWF Attack Does that equal 4 attack rolls? Also I'm confused about the penalties for each roll. Then add Palm Throw which keeps the same number of rolls but if I succeed, then I roll damage twice because of the two daggers thrown per roll? Thanks again for the help. I appreciate it.
Ovistavin 08-08-07, 10:42 AM	BAB matters because it determines how many attacks the character has with his/her primary hand and Imp. Two-Weapon fighting has a prereq. of BAB +6 to keep the number of attacks equal for each hand. With just a BAB of +6 you have (not counting other modifiers like a Strength bonus): 2 Primary Hand attacks at +6/+1. Add in a off-hand at and this changes to (with a light weapon in off-hand, if using a one-handed weapon substract another 2 from each attack below): 2 Primary at +2/-3 1 off-hand at -2 Two-Weapon fighting reduces the penalities for using 2 weapons and changes the attacks to (again with a light weapon): 2 Primary at +4/-1 1 off-hand at +4 Improved Two-Weapon fighting adds a second off-hand attack at a -5 from your first one. So the numbers change like this: 2 Primary at +4/-1 2 Off-hand at +4/-1 Now add in Rapid Shot (which adds another -2 penality): 3 Primary at +2/+2/-3 (Rapid Shot being one of the +2 rolls) 2 off-hand at +2/-3 From what you said about Palm Throw (I am not near any of my book right now) you would throw 2 daggers with each attack doing twice the damage with each roll. That is a lot of daggers to carry around:D. Does this help?
Hsien 08-08-07, 02:11 PM	Palm throw does not give an extra attack, it simple has you throw a volley of two daggers; similar to effect of Manyshot feat. Note regarding Palm Throw if you also have precision damage ( sneak/sudden/skirmish ): Per CoWarr errata Palm Throw is like manyshot in that you only get one instance of Precision based damage per attack roll. So lets say you had one level in Rogue and had a flat-footed opponent, you would only get 1d6 of sneak attack even with 2 daggers from Palm Throw. SideNote; also like manyshot each dagger of the Palm Throw has to overcome DR seperately, iirc.
EjoThims 08-08-07, 06:46 PM	Rapid Shot adds one attack and only one attack. Palm throw changes it so that each attack is two daggers. A player with 16 BAB, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, and rapid shot could make 8 attacks with thrown daggers. 12/7/2/-3 from BAB 12/7/2 from TWF tree 12 from Rapid Shot The total number of daggers thrown would be 16.