Reducing Metamagic costs [Archive] - Wizards Community

Reducing Metamagic costs [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
GawainBS
03-24-08, 08:34 AM I know you could use Arcane Thesis for this, but only for one spell. I thought there were other feats, non-epic, that allowed you to reduce the metamagic cost of using metamagic feats, but I can't remember their names.
Can anyone help me out?

Thanks in advance!
Naderion
03-24-08, 10:06 AM I would think of a feat, that lowers the raise in spell slot level by 1, to a minimum of 1. Think I've seen it somewhere.
GawainBS
03-24-08, 10:13 AM Yes, that's the on I'm thinking about, but I can't find any trace of it.:(
Nezkrul
03-24-08, 11:02 AM Easy Metamagic, its in a dragon magazine i think, you apply it to a metamagic feat you have to reduce that feats slot increase by 1, to a minimum of +1.

Metamagic School Focus from complete mage

Incantatrix 10th level class feature

can't think of more atm
GawainBS
03-24-08, 11:03 AM Thanks a dozen!
rjsilverthorn
03-24-08, 11:11 AM Practical Metamagic from Races of the Dragon.
GawainBS
03-24-08, 11:13 AM Practical Metamagic from Races of the Dragon.

That doesn't lower the level cost, IIRC. But thanks anyway.:)
rjsilverthorn
03-24-08, 11:31 AM hmm, my sorcerer is going to be very confused if it doesn't.
GawainBS
03-24-08, 11:33 AM Oh, sorry, then I messed up. I hadn't looked at that feat because I was thinking about Wizards.
rjsilverthorn
03-24-08, 11:38 AM Ah, well it does only apply to spontaneous casters and it does require draconic heritage as well.
GawainBS
03-24-08, 11:40 AM Thanks anyway.:)
wonlee76
03-26-08, 11:13 AM I think there's a feat in the FR Shining South book that does what you're asking for to a limited degree but its been a long time since I looked at that supplement so I may be wrong. I vaguely recall the feat being similar to the Easy Metamagic feat from Dragon Magazine.
GawainBS
03-26-08, 11:49 AM Guess I'll have to track down that book then. :)
Baninor
03-27-08, 11:40 AM Dweomer Keeper (CD web enhancement) 10th level ability reduces metamagic feats to by 1 (min 1, unless it was already 0)
GawainBS
03-27-08, 12:09 PM Thanks, but it's for use in a Gish, so I can't really use this. :)
StevenO
03-27-08, 07:49 PM They may not be close to what you are looking for but there are two somewhat easy ways to transfer the cost of MM to something else.

The Divine Metamagic (X) feat allows you to apply your MM feat (X) to a spell with the normal slot increase covered by burning a number of Turn Undead attempts. Unfortunately it only works for divine spells (which I believe is clarified in the errata) and only works for one MM feat. Perhaps the most common use of this is to get around the +6 slots that Persistent Spell costs.

The other way of getting to use MM for "free" is with the Ultimate Magus's Augmented Spellcasting ability. Here you are burning a spell slot for one type of casting to cast a MMed spell of the other type without the slot increase. Here there are restrictions to what can be used and it is a fairly specific build.
EvilCouch
03-27-08, 08:44 PM Wu-jen get several of the basic metamagic feats for free (i.e. no spell level cost, no feat cost. They don't qualify for feats that depend on actually having the feat, but who cares?)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
GawainBS 03-24-08, 08:34 AM	I know you could use Arcane Thesis for this, but only for one spell. I thought there were other feats, non-epic, that allowed you to reduce the metamagic cost of using metamagic feats, but I can't remember their names. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance!
Naderion 03-24-08, 10:06 AM	I would think of a feat, that lowers the raise in spell slot level by 1, to a minimum of 1. Think I've seen it somewhere.
GawainBS 03-24-08, 10:13 AM	Yes, that's the on I'm thinking about, but I can't find any trace of it.:(
Nezkrul 03-24-08, 11:02 AM	Easy Metamagic, its in a dragon magazine i think, you apply it to a metamagic feat you have to reduce that feats slot increase by 1, to a minimum of +1. Metamagic School Focus from complete mage Incantatrix 10th level class feature can't think of more atm
GawainBS 03-24-08, 11:03 AM	Thanks a dozen!
rjsilverthorn 03-24-08, 11:11 AM	Practical Metamagic from Races of the Dragon.
GawainBS 03-24-08, 11:13 AM	Practical Metamagic from Races of the Dragon. That doesn't lower the level cost, IIRC. But thanks anyway.:)
rjsilverthorn 03-24-08, 11:31 AM	hmm, my sorcerer is going to be very confused if it doesn't.
GawainBS 03-24-08, 11:33 AM	Oh, sorry, then I messed up. I hadn't looked at that feat because I was thinking about Wizards.
rjsilverthorn 03-24-08, 11:38 AM	Ah, well it does only apply to spontaneous casters and it does require draconic heritage as well.
GawainBS 03-24-08, 11:40 AM	Thanks anyway.:)
wonlee76 03-26-08, 11:13 AM	I think there's a feat in the FR Shining South book that does what you're asking for to a limited degree but its been a long time since I looked at that supplement so I may be wrong. I vaguely recall the feat being similar to the Easy Metamagic feat from Dragon Magazine.
GawainBS 03-26-08, 11:49 AM	Guess I'll have to track down that book then. :)
Baninor 03-27-08, 11:40 AM	Dweomer Keeper (CD web enhancement) 10th level ability reduces metamagic feats to by 1 (min 1, unless it was already 0)
GawainBS 03-27-08, 12:09 PM	Thanks, but it's for use in a Gish, so I can't really use this. :)
StevenO 03-27-08, 07:49 PM	They may not be close to what you are looking for but there are two somewhat easy ways to transfer the cost of MM to something else. The Divine Metamagic (X) feat allows you to apply your MM feat (X) to a spell with the normal slot increase covered by burning a number of Turn Undead attempts. Unfortunately it only works for divine spells (which I believe is clarified in the errata) and only works for one MM feat. Perhaps the most common use of this is to get around the +6 slots that Persistent Spell costs. The other way of getting to use MM for "free" is with the Ultimate Magus's Augmented Spellcasting ability. Here you are burning a spell slot for one type of casting to cast a MMed spell of the other type without the slot increase. Here there are restrictions to what can be used and it is a fairly specific build.
EvilCouch 03-27-08, 08:44 PM	Wu-jen get several of the basic metamagic feats for free (i.e. no spell level cost, no feat cost. They don't qualify for feats that depend on actually having the feat, but who cares?)