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runestar 10-19-07, 08:59 AM	Errata for PHB2 available here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/errata). In a gist, this is what they had to clarify for arcane thesis... Page 74– Arcane Thesis [Substitution] Should read, “When you apply any metamagic feats other than Heighten Spell” Thus if you were to prepare an empowered maximized magic missile (assuming magic missile is the spell you choose for your Arcane Thesis), it would be prepared as a 4th level spell (+1 level for empowered, down from +2; and +2 levels for maximized, down from +3). This means that the slot modifier of each metamagic feat you apply is reduced by 1, which completely reverses an earlier FAQ ruling stating that arcane thesis merely reduced the final slot adjustment by 1. Mwahahahaha....:evillaugh :dancin: :cheer: There is also the following admission... Page 74 – Arcane Thesis [Omission] Add the following text to the end of the “Benefit” section: “A spell cannot be reduced to below its original level with the use of this feat.” It is still ambiguous, and can be interpreted to mean that an empowered, energy substituted fireball still takes up only a 3rd lv slot...the same as its original lv...but no sane DM would ever allow this, and I will settle for the 1st part...:D
goawayugh 10-19-07, 09:03 AM	AAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! As if my Shadowcraft Mage needs to be even more powerful.....muwahahahah!
Lecen_of_Mitran 10-19-07, 09:12 AM	Does it means that I can use metamegic feats that cost only +1 and they will be in the end just +0?
goawayugh 10-19-07, 09:18 AM	Does it means that I can use metamegic feats that cost only +1 and they will be in the end just +0? It means that you should find as many +1 metamagic feats as you can find!!! In other words, yes.
jaelis 10-19-07, 09:48 AM	As I read it though, you can't apply +0 feats to get a -1 adjustment, which I think is good. And I think that is just right. It's good to be able to make it silent, still and extended at no cost, but I never really bought being able to make it empowered plus energy substituted for a net zero cost.
runestar 10-19-07, 09:57 AM	As I read it though, you can't apply +0 feats to get a -1 adjustment, which I think is good. Well, I admit that the following interpretation will reek of cheese, but in theory, you could first empower a fireball (making it 4th lv), then apply energy sub (reducing it back to 3rd lv). The end result is that the spell is not reduced to below its original lv...:P
Lecen_of_Mitran 10-19-07, 10:32 AM	Well, I admit that the following interpretation will reek of cheese, but in theory, you could first empower a fireball (making it 4th lv), then apply energy sub (reducing it back to 3rd lv). The end result is that the spell is not reduced to below its original lv...:P I don´t believe that was the idea from the creators.
jaelis 10-19-07, 10:33 AM	Well, I admit that the following interpretation will reek of cheese, but in theory, you could first empower a fireball (making it 4th lv), then apply energy sub (reducing it back to 3rd lv). The end result is that the spell is not reduced to below its original lv...:P Yeah, well that's why I said "as I read it." :)
goawayugh 10-19-07, 10:54 AM	Well, I admit that the following interpretation will reek of cheese, but in theory, you could first empower a fireball (making it 4th lv), then apply energy sub (reducing it back to 3rd lv). The end result is that the spell is not reduced to below its original lv...:P My thoughts exactly! hehe.