Rogue and ranger levels: stacking for anything? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Rogue and ranger levels: stacking for anything? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Resdayn
07-21-07, 03:28 AM Hi!

In our next game I'm going to play a Ranger/Rogue and I could swear there was a feat that lets rogue and ranger levels stack for animal companion and sneak attack. Or maybe I was hallucinating since flipping through my books for hours yielded no results.
Is there really such a feat with rogue and ranger levels stacking for anything or am I confusing this with something elese? Or is it a class feature of a PrC?

Thanks in advance!
VonRichthofen
07-21-07, 09:05 AM No offence meant, but since you already gave the hook yourself: You must have been hallucinating. No WotC legal feat, to be sure.

EDIT: Since you asked for it, you probably got this hallucinatory feat confused with Swift Hunter, stacking Ranger and Scout for Skirmish and Favored Enemy progression (and granting on top of it the ability to do Skirmishing damage to Favored Enemies immune to crits, cough.)
WackyOne
07-21-07, 09:34 AM There's also swift ambusher, stacking rogue and scout - but no, nothing for rogue/rangers.
They already get their "applicable to full attacks" bonus damage, WotC didn't see the need of having them stack.
Knight0
07-21-07, 10:38 AM Which books are these swift hunter/ambusher feats in?
Wraithwin
07-21-07, 10:57 AM Yeah... Sadly none for Rogue and Ranger.
I Scout and Ranger really does make more sense though.

Honestly... if you don't mind a flavor difference, Scout and Ranger with the feat that combines them might be close enough to what you're looking for. :)

Scout isn't exactly Ranger, but flavor-wise, they're close.

Now if your DM's into strange mixes, you can always try...
Ninja 3 - Scout 3 - Rogue 14.
Take Two Weapon Fighting, Swift Ambusher, Improved Skirmish and maybe Expanded Ki Pool, and whatever other feats work well for you. :) Possibly Weapon Finesse.

If I'm not mistaken at 19th, if you poof invisible and move at least 20ft before striking your target, that's something like...
+2d6 Sudden Strike
+7d6 Skirmish (+6 AC if needed)
+7d6 Sneak Attack
Total: +16d6 extra damage on that attack... Heh.
Add that "Able to full attack after a charge" feat and laugh. :)

Now, what I think they should have a feat for: Scout & Barbarian
It makes total sense to me - rough and wild nature survival, let their movements stack (if they don't already), have Scout count as Barbarian towards Rage and let Barbarian count as Scout towards Skirmish. This isn't really any more potent than many of the others, and great flavor. :) I'd play one. Go 8 or 10 in Scout, the rest in Barbarian - a decent even level split.

Oh man... Barbarian/Scout with Brachiation and Spring Attack... (grins)
BugHunter
07-21-07, 11:59 AM Which books are these swift hunter/ambusher feats in?

They are both in Complete Scoundrel page 81.
VonRichthofen
07-21-07, 01:03 PM Now, what I think they should have a feat for: Scout & Barbarian
...have Scout count as Barbarian towards Rage and let Barbarian count as Scout towards Skirmish. This isn't really any more potent than many of the others

Yes it is.

Since Complete Champion, Barbarians can substitute their fast movement for the ability to pounce.
That's very, very bad already, totally out when combined with, say, 35d6 possible skirmish damage.

Ranger/Scout is mighty good as it stands, but it won't actually build the ultimate melee monster.
Knight0
07-21-07, 07:26 PM Which book is Improved Skirmish in?
Chimaera2000
07-22-07, 02:00 AM Improved Skirmish is also from Complete Scoundrel.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Resdayn 07-21-07, 03:28 AM	Hi! In our next game I'm going to play a Ranger/Rogue and I could swear there was a feat that lets rogue and ranger levels stack for animal companion and sneak attack. Or maybe I was hallucinating since flipping through my books for hours yielded no results. Is there really such a feat with rogue and ranger levels stacking for anything or am I confusing this with something elese? Or is it a class feature of a PrC? Thanks in advance!
VonRichthofen 07-21-07, 09:05 AM	No offence meant, but since you already gave the hook yourself: You must have been hallucinating. No WotC legal feat, to be sure. EDIT: Since you asked for it, you probably got this hallucinatory feat confused with Swift Hunter, stacking Ranger and Scout for Skirmish and Favored Enemy progression (and granting on top of it the ability to do Skirmishing damage to Favored Enemies immune to crits, cough.)
WackyOne 07-21-07, 09:34 AM	There's also swift ambusher, stacking rogue and scout - but no, nothing for rogue/rangers. They already get their "applicable to full attacks" bonus damage, WotC didn't see the need of having them stack.
Knight0 07-21-07, 10:38 AM	Which books are these swift hunter/ambusher feats in?
Wraithwin 07-21-07, 10:57 AM	Yeah... Sadly none for Rogue and Ranger. I Scout and Ranger really does make more sense though. Honestly... if you don't mind a flavor difference, Scout and Ranger with the feat that combines them might be close enough to what you're looking for. :) Scout isn't exactly Ranger, but flavor-wise, they're close. Now if your DM's into strange mixes, you can always try... Ninja 3 - Scout 3 - Rogue 14. Take Two Weapon Fighting, Swift Ambusher, Improved Skirmish and maybe Expanded Ki Pool, and whatever other feats work well for you. :) Possibly Weapon Finesse. If I'm not mistaken at 19th, if you poof invisible and move at least 20ft before striking your target, that's something like... +2d6 Sudden Strike +7d6 Skirmish (+6 AC if needed) +7d6 Sneak Attack Total: +16d6 extra damage on that attack... Heh. Add that "Able to full attack after a charge" feat and laugh. :) Now, what I think they should have a feat for: Scout & Barbarian It makes total sense to me - rough and wild nature survival, let their movements stack (if they don't already), have Scout count as Barbarian towards Rage and let Barbarian count as Scout towards Skirmish. This isn't really any more potent than many of the others, and great flavor. :) I'd play one. Go 8 or 10 in Scout, the rest in Barbarian - a decent even level split. Oh man... Barbarian/Scout with Brachiation and Spring Attack... (grins)
BugHunter 07-21-07, 11:59 AM	Which books are these swift hunter/ambusher feats in? They are both in Complete Scoundrel page 81.
VonRichthofen 07-21-07, 01:03 PM	Now, what I think they should have a feat for: Scout & Barbarian ...have Scout count as Barbarian towards Rage and let Barbarian count as Scout towards Skirmish. This isn't really any more potent than many of the others Yes it is. Since Complete Champion, Barbarians can substitute their fast movement for the ability to pounce. That's very, very bad already, totally out when combined with, say, 35d6 possible skirmish damage. Ranger/Scout is mighty good as it stands, but it won't actually build the ultimate melee monster.
Knight0 07-21-07, 07:26 PM	Which book is Improved Skirmish in?
Chimaera2000 07-22-07, 02:00 AM	Improved Skirmish is also from Complete Scoundrel.