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kheris 12-04-07, 11:55 PM	Ok, I'm having a little trouble with this feat. It's perfectly clear right up to this part: If you also have levels in wizard, your wizard caster level is treated as the sum of your wizard, paladin, and ranger class levels. This sounds like a Paladin 4/Wizard 1 would get five wizard caster levels, and all of the casting that goes with it (ie. equivalent to a Wizard 5 in spells per day, etc.), or am I applying too much RAW to this?
Marcus Majarra 12-05-07, 12:42 AM	No. The caster level does not equate to the spellcasting ability. A caster level is merely a mechanic to illustrate the strength of his magic. In your example, the character would have the spellcasting ability of a 1st-level wizard, but with a CL of 5. For example, his magic missile spell would release three projectiles. He still only has the spell slots of a 1st-level wizard.
Neconilis 01-28-08, 08:24 PM	Well I randomly came across this post in my search and I had a few quick questions about this feat. 1) Are the wizard spells which are now memorized with paladin/ranger slots still considered arcane spells and therefore subject to ASF? 2) Can I create, and maintain, a spellbook without wizard levels of my own? 3) Can I use spells from a borrowed spellbook even if I don't have them in my own spellbook; as the PHB normally requires. Thanks in advance for the help everyone.
Eldritch_Lord 01-28-08, 08:55 PM	Well I randomly came across this post in my search and I had a few quick questions about this feat. 1) Are the wizard spells which are now memorized with paladin/ranger slots still considered arcane spells and therefore subject to ASF? 2) Can I create, and maintain, a spellbook without wizard levels of my own? 3) Can I use spells from a borrowed spellbook even if I don't have them in my own spellbook; as the PHB normally requires. Thanks in advance for the help everyone. 1) If it specifically says they are divine spells or are cast as paladin or ranger spells, no; otherwise, they are still arcane spells, just not in wizard slots. 2) No; it's specifically a class ability of the wizard. 3) Nope.
Neconilis 01-28-08, 09:26 PM	1) If it specifically says they are divine spells or are cast as paladin or ranger spells, no; otherwise, they are still arcane spells, just not in wizard slots. 2) No; it's specifically a class ability of the wizard. 3) Nope. That is what I figured, but as usual the wording of the feat could've been much better.
Eldritch_Lord 01-28-08, 09:44 PM	That is what I figured, but as usual the wording of the feat could've been much better. Yeah, big surprise on that one. :rolleyes:
Juton 02-16-08, 03:27 PM	Well I randomly came across this post in my search and I had a few quick questions about this feat. 1) Are the wizard spells which are now memorized with paladin/ranger slots still considered arcane spells and therefore subject to ASF? 2) Can I create, and maintain, a spellbook without wizard levels of my own? 3) Can I use spells from a borrowed spellbook even if I don't have them in my own spellbook; as the PHB normally requires. Thanks in advance for the help everyone. 1) No, a Paladin prepares divine spells. This situation is similar to using the 'arcane disciple' feat from complete divine. Unless it specifically states that the spells are cast as a arcane spells they are still considered divine. 2) The feat says 'These wizard spells can be taken either from your spellbook (if you have one) or from another character's spellbook'. This strongly suggests that a pure paladin can have a spellbook. 3) The feat also says (continuing from the above sentence) : '... though in the latter case (you are using another character's spellbook) you must decipher the writing in the book and succeed on a spellcraft check to prepare the spell, just as a wizard using a borrowed spellbook'.
Eldritch_Lord 02-16-08, 03:42 PM	2) The feat says 'These wizard spells can be taken either from your spellbook (if you have one) or from another character's spellbook'. This strongly suggests that a pure paladin can have a spellbook. That doesn't mean you can have your own spellbook; the spellbook is under the wizard's Spells section, and the paladin is only casting wizard spells, not casting spells as a wizard... 3) The feat also says (continuing from the above sentence) : '... though in the latter case (you are using another character's spellbook) you must decipher the writing in the book and succeed on a spellcraft check to prepare the spell, just as a wizard using a borrowed spellbook'. ...However, I didn't have the exact text before, so I didn't know casting from another's spellbook was legit. I'm going to have to revise my earlier answer to: 1) If it specifically says they are divine spells or are cast as paladin or ranger spells, no; otherwise, they are still arcane spells, just not in wizard slots. 2) No; it's specifically a class ability of the wizard. 3) Yes.
Juton 02-16-08, 04:02 PM	2) The feat says 'These wizard spells can be taken either from your spellbook (if you have one) or from another character's spellbook'. This strongly suggests that a pure paladin can have a spellbook. That doesn't mean you can have your own spellbook; the spellbook is under the wizard's Spells section, and the paladin is only casting wizard spells, not casting spells as a wizard... I think it may be too ambiguous. It can be argued the 'taken ... from your spellbook' is fairly clear, I think this is a point you'd have to run by your DM regardless of what the writers inteded.
Eldritch_Lord 02-16-08, 09:43 PM	I think it may be too ambiguous. It can be argued the 'taken ... from your spellbook' is fairly clear, I think this is a point you'd have to run by your DM regardless of what the writers inteded. However, it says if you have one, implying that you can't keep a spellbook if you're not a wizard; if you could keep one, there wouldn't be a doubt about whether you had one or not, it would just say "your spellbook" on the assumption you would use one. I do think it's ambiguous enough for DM fiat, though.