sheathing a weapon? [Archive] - Wizards Community

sheathing a weapon? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
ishpu
05-06-07, 03:59 AM what kind of action is it to sheath a weapon, i think its a free action to drop one but to sheath it?
Crichton
05-06-07, 04:03 AM Move action to draw and sheath a weapon.

You can draw a weapon while moving as a free action I think. Or get Quick Draw to make Drawing a free action....personally I'd allow that to mean free action sheating aswell since that feat isn't overpowered at all.

Just think back to a flashy cowboy drawing his gun and swinging it around to finish with a lighting fast sheathing. (is sheathing a word?)
ishpu
05-06-07, 04:05 AM that was pretty much my thoughts on it too but i was just wondering thanks for the quick reply.
Another Gnome
05-06-07, 03:19 PM I've seen many people suggest that Quick Draw also allows sheathing a weapon as a free action, but that has no support in the RAW.

(Also, trivial as it is, you need to have BAB +1 to combine drawing a weapon as a free action to movement.)
Kouk
05-07-07, 03:02 AM Move action to draw and sheath a weapon.

You can draw a weapon while moving as a free action I think. Or get Quick Draw to make Drawing a free action....personally I'd allow that to mean free action sheating aswell since that feat isn't overpowered at all.

Just think back to a flashy cowboy drawing his gun and swinging it around to finish with a lighting fast sheathing. (is sheathing a word?)

"sheathing" is indeed a word, though with a gun you would "holster", which is a bit simpler than sheathing a long sword blade.

Drawing and Sheathing is covered in the chapter on combat I believe, when discussing action types. Both are Move actions, though if you have a BAB of at least +1 you can draw a weapon as a free action as part of a move. It says nothing about speeding up sheathing, normally weapons end up on the floor a lot.

Quick Draw by itself allows you to draw as a free action even if you are standing still, which would allow you to get a full attack (if your target was next to you or within reach with a 5ft step) and is also useful for certain feats as a prerequisite. You could also use it with a full attack to kill something with a melee weapon, then draw a bow and finish your attacks at range, or draw a tripping weapon, make the trip then toss the trip weapon and draw a greataxe while the enemy is on the ground etc.

As written in core though there is nothing about sheathing a weapon faster than a Move action.
Jaime_Wolf
05-07-07, 03:05 AM Technically, nothing in the books says that faster draw times through feats or even through having +1 BAB translate to faster sheat times. This is substantiated by the FAQ which explicitly says that nothing in core makes sheathing faster.

As for houseruling it...

Question: Would sheathing a weapon faster have any effect on balance?

The place this question comes up most often is in Oriental Adventures games. If you're running Oriental Adventures, the answer is VERY YES. If running OA, NEVER allow faster sheathing. Iaijutsu strike gets very hairy with fast sheathing. Also, disallow gnomish quick razors (automatic sheathing as free action), blurstrike weapons (they're badly worded, all other items deny foes dex to AC, but blurstrike actually make them flat-footed), and dropping of swords (it would be dishonourable to drop one's sword in combat, if you don't make this rule, you'll get people with four katanas full-attacking with iaijutsu strike on each one).

If it would not have an effect, I would definitely houserule that sheathing follows the exact same rules as drawing. In this case, it's pretty much a flavour thing as people could achieve virtually the same result by dropping a weapon and picking it up later. However, might rule that one may only draw or sheath once per round as a free action, after that it's a move action (to prevent people switching weapons back and forth during a single round).
Forged_Fury
05-07-07, 06:41 AM Just a quick note on differences... do note that sheathing a weapon is a AoO producing event according to the table. Drawing is not. I'm not sure if that adds anything to the discussion, but I think it is interesting they made the distinction.

-FF

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ishpu 05-06-07, 03:59 AM	what kind of action is it to sheath a weapon, i think its a free action to drop one but to sheath it?
Crichton 05-06-07, 04:03 AM	Move action to draw and sheath a weapon. You can draw a weapon while moving as a free action I think. Or get Quick Draw to make Drawing a free action....personally I'd allow that to mean free action sheating aswell since that feat isn't overpowered at all. Just think back to a flashy cowboy drawing his gun and swinging it around to finish with a lighting fast sheathing. (is sheathing a word?)
ishpu 05-06-07, 04:05 AM	that was pretty much my thoughts on it too but i was just wondering thanks for the quick reply.
Another Gnome 05-06-07, 03:19 PM	I've seen many people suggest that Quick Draw also allows sheathing a weapon as a free action, but that has no support in the RAW. (Also, trivial as it is, you need to have BAB +1 to combine drawing a weapon as a free action to movement.)
Kouk 05-07-07, 03:02 AM	Move action to draw and sheath a weapon. You can draw a weapon while moving as a free action I think. Or get Quick Draw to make Drawing a free action....personally I'd allow that to mean free action sheating aswell since that feat isn't overpowered at all. Just think back to a flashy cowboy drawing his gun and swinging it around to finish with a lighting fast sheathing. (is sheathing a word?) "sheathing" is indeed a word, though with a gun you would "holster", which is a bit simpler than sheathing a long sword blade. Drawing and Sheathing is covered in the chapter on combat I believe, when discussing action types. Both are Move actions, though if you have a BAB of at least +1 you can draw a weapon as a free action as part of a move. It says nothing about speeding up sheathing, normally weapons end up on the floor a lot. Quick Draw by itself allows you to draw as a free action even if you are standing still, which would allow you to get a full attack (if your target was next to you or within reach with a 5ft step) and is also useful for certain feats as a prerequisite. You could also use it with a full attack to kill something with a melee weapon, then draw a bow and finish your attacks at range, or draw a tripping weapon, make the trip then toss the trip weapon and draw a greataxe while the enemy is on the ground etc. As written in core though there is nothing about sheathing a weapon faster than a Move action.
Jaime_Wolf 05-07-07, 03:05 AM	Technically, nothing in the books says that faster draw times through feats or even through having +1 BAB translate to faster sheat times. This is substantiated by the FAQ which explicitly says that nothing in core makes sheathing faster. As for houseruling it... Question: Would sheathing a weapon faster have any effect on balance? The place this question comes up most often is in Oriental Adventures games. If you're running Oriental Adventures, the answer is VERY YES. If running OA, NEVER allow faster sheathing. Iaijutsu strike gets very hairy with fast sheathing. Also, disallow gnomish quick razors (automatic sheathing as free action), blurstrike weapons (they're badly worded, all other items deny foes dex to AC, but blurstrike actually make them flat-footed), and dropping of swords (it would be dishonourable to drop one's sword in combat, if you don't make this rule, you'll get people with four katanas full-attacking with iaijutsu strike on each one). If it would not have an effect, I would definitely houserule that sheathing follows the exact same rules as drawing. In this case, it's pretty much a flavour thing as people could achieve virtually the same result by dropping a weapon and picking it up later. However, might rule that one may only draw or sheath once per round as a free action, after that it's a move action (to prevent people switching weapons back and forth during a single round).
Forged_Fury 05-07-07, 06:41 AM	Just a quick note on differences... do note that sheathing a weapon is a AoO producing event according to the table. Drawing is not. I'm not sure if that adds anything to the discussion, but I think it is interesting they made the distinction. -FF