Sickening Blast and Brutal Strike [Archive] - Wizards Community

Sickening Blast and Brutal Strike [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Bunk
05-28-07, 11:33 PM Looking for an opinion here. If I had a Warlock who used Horrendous Blow to channel a Sickening Blast (save or be sickened) in to a melee attack while making a Brutal Strike with that melee attack (save or be sickened), would there be any stacking of the effects?

Normally, two effects that both make you sickened wouldn't stack, but I'm indecisive on this one as they are two completely different types of attack - they just both give the same resulting negatives.
strenoth
05-28-07, 11:47 PM Struck foe makes 2 saves.

of he fails both saves, impose longest lasting duration.

just forcing 2 saves is kind of good too.
Nebo
05-28-07, 11:58 PM If a creature that is already sickened becomes sickened again, it becomes nauseated.
jaelis
05-29-07, 12:00 AM If a creature that is already sickened becomes sickened again, it becomes nauseated.

That is not correct, as far as I know.
Ruike
05-30-07, 10:37 AM Normally i believe it does but some ability descriptions say specifically that they won't stack like that so you'd have to read each one. If it fails both and neither say they won't stack then its (the target) pretty bad off.
tarkin
05-30-07, 10:56 AM Fear effects expressely state that the default is they stack. Fear effects are cumulative. A shaken character who is made shaken again becomes frightened, ...

There is NO such rule for Sickened/Nauseated:

Sickened
The character takes a -2 penalty on all attack rolls, weapon damage rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks.

No comment at all about it being cumulative anywhere in the SRD discussion of the conditions themselves.

The deafult is that sickened does not stack.

While it may be true that some sickening effects expressely state they stack/are cumulative, that only applies to those that say it works like that.

Without those comments, it does not stack.
strenoth
05-30-07, 03:01 PM Tarkin is correct, default rules do not say 2x sicked = nauseated, so there for it doesn't.
Oliver D'Argent
05-31-07, 07:47 AM I am in agreement with strenoth on how to apply the mechanics, and with tarkin that the effects do not stack.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Bunk 05-28-07, 11:33 PM	Looking for an opinion here. If I had a Warlock who used Horrendous Blow to channel a Sickening Blast (save or be sickened) in to a melee attack while making a Brutal Strike with that melee attack (save or be sickened), would there be any stacking of the effects? Normally, two effects that both make you sickened wouldn't stack, but I'm indecisive on this one as they are two completely different types of attack - they just both give the same resulting negatives.
strenoth 05-28-07, 11:47 PM	Struck foe makes 2 saves. of he fails both saves, impose longest lasting duration. just forcing 2 saves is kind of good too.
Nebo 05-28-07, 11:58 PM	If a creature that is already sickened becomes sickened again, it becomes nauseated.
jaelis 05-29-07, 12:00 AM	If a creature that is already sickened becomes sickened again, it becomes nauseated. That is not correct, as far as I know.
Ruike 05-30-07, 10:37 AM	Normally i believe it does but some ability descriptions say specifically that they won't stack like that so you'd have to read each one. If it fails both and neither say they won't stack then its (the target) pretty bad off.
tarkin 05-30-07, 10:56 AM	Fear effects expressely state that the default is they stack. Fear effects are cumulative. A shaken character who is made shaken again becomes frightened, ... There is NO such rule for Sickened/Nauseated: Sickened The character takes a -2 penalty on all attack rolls, weapon damage rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. No comment at all about it being cumulative anywhere in the SRD discussion of the conditions themselves. The deafult is that sickened does not stack. While it may be true that some sickening effects expressely state they stack/are cumulative, that only applies to those that say it works like that. Without those comments, it does not stack.
strenoth 05-30-07, 03:01 PM	Tarkin is correct, default rules do not say 2x sicked = nauseated, so there for it doesn't.
Oliver D'Argent 05-31-07, 07:47 AM	I am in agreement with strenoth on how to apply the mechanics, and with tarkin that the effects do not stack.