Sleight of hand and Disarm [Archive] - Wizards Community

Sleight of hand and Disarm [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Label
08-26-07, 03:28 PM When attempting to take/steal an object from a creature... when is it a sleight of hand and when is it a disarm?

For example, the rogue wants to take the still sheated sword from the bad guy.

Situation A : it's in the beginnig of a fight (won the ini)
Situation B : it's in the street when the bad guy is not still aware of the party.
Kouk
08-26-07, 03:54 PM Disarm is only when they are actually wielding the weapon.

For a light or one handed weapon I would go with just the standard DC 20 check. A two-handed weapon (assuming it is fairly large in relation to your own size, like most of them are) I would say would be DC 25-30 though, because you have to be in contact with it a lot longer (pulling it from the sheathe or whatever) before it is free.
Label
08-26-07, 05:13 PM That's what I thought but the disarm rules have also the "Grabbing item" section, in which we can use a disarm attack to take something the creature wears, such as a necklace or a pair of goggles.
T_Stalker
08-26-07, 05:54 PM A: definately disarm: the opponent is aware of the thief, who in turn doesn't care about being spotted.
Unless he was succesfully hiding, it's a disarm, "grabbing a worn item"
B: thief's choice, if he wants to do it whitout being noticed => sleight of hand, otherwise ... well I'd probably sneak attack him with a sap if I had the choice, but I'd say if the thief does it really obvious it's a disarm, under the "grabbing an item" rules like Label said.
Well, that or Bluff ("Say that's a nice looking sword, is it real Toledo steel? You know, my uncle is a blacksmith in that area, might if I take a look for his mark?") ;)

edit: oh Label is the OP, sorry, well at least you looked it up :)
Vegepygmy
08-26-07, 05:55 PM When attempting to take/steal an object from a creature... when is it a sleight of hand and when is it a disarm?IMO, it's a Disarm when you're in combat, and Sleight of Hand when you're not.
Label
08-26-07, 06:20 PM Thanks all, you confirmed my thoughts.
The kelptomaniac spellthief catfolk now know how do to :P
ravenshrike
08-27-07, 01:00 PM That's what I thought but the disarm rules have also the "Grabbing item" section, in which we can use a disarm attack to take something the creature wears, such as a necklace or a pair of goggles.

This is for if you don't put ranks in SoH. Remember, you can't use it untrained.(This is a bit like not taking weapon finesse and thereby having to use your STR mod for your AB.)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Label 08-26-07, 03:28 PM	When attempting to take/steal an object from a creature... when is it a sleight of hand and when is it a disarm? For example, the rogue wants to take the still sheated sword from the bad guy. Situation A : it's in the beginnig of a fight (won the ini) Situation B : it's in the street when the bad guy is not still aware of the party.
Kouk 08-26-07, 03:54 PM	Disarm is only when they are actually wielding the weapon. For a light or one handed weapon I would go with just the standard DC 20 check. A two-handed weapon (assuming it is fairly large in relation to your own size, like most of them are) I would say would be DC 25-30 though, because you have to be in contact with it a lot longer (pulling it from the sheathe or whatever) before it is free.
Label 08-26-07, 05:13 PM	That's what I thought but the disarm rules have also the "Grabbing item" section, in which we can use a disarm attack to take something the creature wears, such as a necklace or a pair of goggles.
T_Stalker 08-26-07, 05:54 PM	A: definately disarm: the opponent is aware of the thief, who in turn doesn't care about being spotted. Unless he was succesfully hiding, it's a disarm, "grabbing a worn item" B: thief's choice, if he wants to do it whitout being noticed => sleight of hand, otherwise ... well I'd probably sneak attack him with a sap if I had the choice, but I'd say if the thief does it really obvious it's a disarm, under the "grabbing an item" rules like Label said. Well, that or Bluff ("Say that's a nice looking sword, is it real Toledo steel? You know, my uncle is a blacksmith in that area, might if I take a look for his mark?") ;) edit: oh Label is the OP, sorry, well at least you looked it up :)
Vegepygmy 08-26-07, 05:55 PM	When attempting to take/steal an object from a creature... when is it a sleight of hand and when is it a disarm?IMO, it's a Disarm when you're in combat, and Sleight of Hand when you're not.
Label 08-26-07, 06:20 PM	Thanks all, you confirmed my thoughts. The kelptomaniac spellthief catfolk now know how do to :P
ravenshrike 08-27-07, 01:00 PM	That's what I thought but the disarm rules have also the "Grabbing item" section, in which we can use a disarm attack to take something the creature wears, such as a necklace or a pair of goggles. This is for if you don't put ranks in SoH. Remember, you can't use it untrained.(This is a bit like not taking weapon finesse and thereby having to use your STR mod for your AB.)