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Orodreth_a 03-25-07, 12:51 AM	Okay, In our D&D group we have a small bit of disorder over the matter of whether or not my ninjas sudden strike will apply to all attacks made in a round or only the first. It doesnt say whether or not it applies to all attacks just that it works as long as the ninja's target is denied his/her Dex bonus. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
Dragonteuthis 03-25-07, 12:57 AM	Here's how it works. You ask, "Is the target denied their Dexterity bonus against my attack?" If the answer is "Yes," than you apply Sudden Strike. Notes: A target is flat-footed until they act. If you are invisible or hidden, you reveal yourself after your first attack. That should cover the situations that normally arrive. Post again if you need more clarification.
Spikes01k 03-25-07, 01:18 AM	If you are using their specific class Ki ability to be invisible then you remain invisible and they should still be denied their dex bonus still. P.S. correct me if I am wrong please.
Orodreth_a 03-25-07, 01:34 AM	Well, i guess its more of i don't really understand how long that a target is denied the Dex bonus, but the main reason that i ask this question is because the DM and my fellow players believe that I do too much damage and I need to know if whether or not if my target is denied his Dex bonus if that is for all of my attacks in a turn or just the first.
Spikes01k 03-25-07, 01:51 AM	Well, i guess its more of i don't really understand how long that a target is denied the Dex bonus, but the main reason that i ask this question is because the DM and my fellow players believe that I do too much damage and I need to know if whether or not if my target is denied his Dex bonus if that is for all of my attacks in a turn or just the first. I would say all, it only makes sense. A rogue can sneak attack all the way past next Sunday if they got them flanked. Yeah they know their there but they are still susceptible. I imagine that the same would be with a with their inviability or if they are still flat footed, yeah their there, and after your attacks they know their there, but they usually cant do anything about it yill next turn.
Orodreth_a 03-25-07, 01:55 AM	Okay, Thanks alot for the help.:D just one last question... i need to know if a ninja's ghost step invisibility will still be on for the rest of the round after attacking, or if its like the spell invisibility and wears off after attacking?:confused: Thanks for that too.:D
Spikes01k 03-25-07, 02:01 AM	Okay, Thanks alot for the help.:D just one last question... i need to know if a ninja's ghost step invisibility will still be on for the rest of the round after attacking, or if its like the spell invisibility and wears off after attacking?:confused: Thanks for that too.:D It defiantly stays up! The ability does not say it goes away so it doesn't. The only problem is you need to use it after your turn is over, which I think it can be done, so your next turn is invisible and still keep it's full effects every turn. Keep in mind, a second level monk or rogue will never be effected by your sudden strike ability due to uncanny dodge.
Orodreth_a 03-25-07, 02:11 AM	cool, well this should all clear some things up if i can get my DM to understand my point here... and yeah ghost step is a swift action so it can be used at the end of a turn, and if not i always have my trusty pair of boots of haste. and yes... I do know of the whole uncanny dodge thing... darn you uncanny dodge... thanks for your help
Iarmeister 03-25-07, 12:51 PM	It defiantly stays up! The ability does not say it goes away so it doesn't. The only problem is you need to use it after your turn is over, which I think it can be done, so your next turn is invisible and still keep it's full effects every turn. Keep in mind, a second level monk or rogue will never be effected by your sudden strike ability due to uncanny dodge. Partly untrue. A monk or rogue or barbarian character will not suffer SS damage when being Ghost Stepped by a ninja because Uncanny Dodge protects them from losing their dex bonus (if any) to ac vs. invisible attackers. However, they can still be Feinted in combat, and lose their dex bonus to ac, just like everyone else. Be sure to download the new 3.5 FAQ update, as both of these questions are answered in full: Ghost Step ability FAQ: pg 18. Improved Feint vs Uncanny Dodge FAQ: pg 56. This last is important to understand because i've found many players to be under the incorrect assumption that anytime a character is denied their dex bonus (if any) to ac they are technically considered 'Flat-Footed'. However, this ruling on page 56 clearly shows that not to be the case; in fact, it's the other way around in that Flat-Footed is simply one condition of many that denies a characters/creatures dex bonus (if any) to their AC. This means that a ninja character can get sudden strike damage vs opponents with Uncanny Dodge. They simply have to be more imaginative in creating those opportunities vs those types of opponents.
Goreg Skullcrusher 03-25-07, 01:20 PM	Partly untrue. A monk or rogue or barbarian character will not suffer SS damage when being Ghost Stepped by a ninja because Uncanny Dodge protects them from losing their dex bonus (if any) to ac vs. invisible attackers. Actually, since the monk doesn't receive Uncanny Dodge like the others feel free to jab at that monks kidneys (just don't launch fireballs at said kidneys :D )
Iarmeister 03-25-07, 02:02 PM	Actually, since the monk doesn't receive Uncanny Dodge like the others feel free to jab at that monks kidneys (just don't launch fireballs at said kidneys :D ) Oops. Good catch, mate.
Dheran 03-27-07, 03:22 PM	Keep in mind, a second level monk or rogue will never be effected by your sudden strike ability due to uncanny dodge. You mean 2nd level Barbarian or 4th level Rogue. You're confusing Evasion with Uncanny Dodge.