Superior Power Attack [Archive] - Wizards Community

Superior Power Attack [Archive] - Wizards Community

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UndeadPenguin
07-05-07, 02:13 PM I found superior expertise feat a few days ago and i was curious if the same feat exists for power attack. I couldn't find it anywhere.
tarkin
07-05-07, 03:04 PM Expertise has a cap of no more than -5 to hit, regardless of your BAB.

Superior Expertise lets you go higher than -5 to hit using Expertise.

Power Attack does not have a cap of -5 to hit.

As such, there is no feat that raises a cap that does not exist.
UndeadPenguin
07-05-07, 05:17 PM Wow. I can't believe i missed that. Been playing for quite some time and just assumed power attack had a -5 cap like expertise. Thank you for correcting my misconceptions.
General_Ridley
07-05-07, 06:48 PM Although, there are feats and class abilities that do augment your power attack. Improved and Supreme Power Attack for Frenzied Berserkers, Favoured Power Attack for Rangers (Complete Warrior).

But as noted above, without a cap to how much you can take off, there's nothing to raise a nonexistant cap.
Kelwyn
07-05-07, 07:00 PM Wow. I can't believe i missed that. Been playing for quite some time and just assumed power attack had a -5 cap like expertise. Thank you for correcting my misconceptions.

Maybe you thought of Neverwinter Nights? Which used Power Attack for -5 Hit and +5 Damage if i recall correctly :)
BugHunter
07-05-07, 08:17 PM The closest thing for a cap with power attack is cann't exceed your BAB but that's not same as the -5 cap of combat expertise.
StevenO
07-06-07, 12:17 AM The closest thing for a cap with power attack is cann't exceed your BAB but that's not same as the -5 cap of combat expertise.
You BAB IS the cap for Power Attack. Sometimes you get more benefit for the drawback and some feats increase even that but your BAB always has been the cap. Combat Expertise is also capped by your BAB with the addition of a -5 max; that max is removed in the improved version of course.

Power Attack in NWN was -5 for +5 and the improved version I believe was +/- 10. I never did like that feat too much and hate the "improved" version as you'd never need to take it with a "real" character.
Drodain
07-06-07, 12:32 AM In 3.0 there was a -5 cap which you probably assumed hadn't changed.
Bob Loblaw
07-06-07, 12:41 AM In 3.0 there was a -5 cap which you probably assumed hadn't changed.

Nope. There was no cap in 3.0 either. Here it is from 3.0 SRD (http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html):

Power Attack [General]
Prerequisite: Str 13+.
Benefit: On the character's action, before making attack rolls for a round, the character may choose to subtract a number from all melee attack rolls and add the same number to all melee damage rolls. This number may not exceed the character's base attack bonus. The penalty on attacks and bonus on damage applies until the character's next action.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
UndeadPenguin 07-05-07, 02:13 PM	I found superior expertise feat a few days ago and i was curious if the same feat exists for power attack. I couldn't find it anywhere.
tarkin 07-05-07, 03:04 PM	Expertise has a cap of no more than -5 to hit, regardless of your BAB. Superior Expertise lets you go higher than -5 to hit using Expertise. Power Attack does not have a cap of -5 to hit. As such, there is no feat that raises a cap that does not exist.
UndeadPenguin 07-05-07, 05:17 PM	Wow. I can't believe i missed that. Been playing for quite some time and just assumed power attack had a -5 cap like expertise. Thank you for correcting my misconceptions.
General_Ridley 07-05-07, 06:48 PM	Although, there are feats and class abilities that do augment your power attack. Improved and Supreme Power Attack for Frenzied Berserkers, Favoured Power Attack for Rangers (Complete Warrior). But as noted above, without a cap to how much you can take off, there's nothing to raise a nonexistant cap.
Kelwyn 07-05-07, 07:00 PM	Wow. I can't believe i missed that. Been playing for quite some time and just assumed power attack had a -5 cap like expertise. Thank you for correcting my misconceptions. Maybe you thought of Neverwinter Nights? Which used Power Attack for -5 Hit and +5 Damage if i recall correctly :)
BugHunter 07-05-07, 08:17 PM	The closest thing for a cap with power attack is cann't exceed your BAB but that's not same as the -5 cap of combat expertise.
StevenO 07-06-07, 12:17 AM	The closest thing for a cap with power attack is cann't exceed your BAB but that's not same as the -5 cap of combat expertise. You BAB IS the cap for Power Attack. Sometimes you get more benefit for the drawback and some feats increase even that but your BAB always has been the cap. Combat Expertise is also capped by your BAB with the addition of a -5 max; that max is removed in the improved version of course. Power Attack in NWN was -5 for +5 and the improved version I believe was +/- 10. I never did like that feat too much and hate the "improved" version as you'd never need to take it with a "real" character.
Drodain 07-06-07, 12:32 AM	In 3.0 there was a -5 cap which you probably assumed hadn't changed.
Bob Loblaw 07-06-07, 12:41 AM	In 3.0 there was a -5 cap which you probably assumed hadn't changed. Nope. There was no cap in 3.0 either. Here it is from 3.0 SRD (http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html): Power Attack [General] Prerequisite: Str 13+. Benefit: On the character's action, before making attack rolls for a round, the character may choose to subtract a number from all melee attack rolls and add the same number to all melee damage rolls. This number may not exceed the character's base attack bonus. The penalty on attacks and bonus on damage applies until the character's next action.