Surprising Riposte feat (DotUD) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Surprising Riposte feat (DotUD) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Uulbaan
03-15-08, 02:34 AM It is not clear to me what this feat add to a succeeded feint. Can someone explain me the advantage of this feat plz?

When you succeed a feint the target loose his Dex Bonus becoming flat-footed right?

Surprising riposte state that if you succeed a feint and deal damage as well, the target become flat-footed.

You can find the description of this feat in Drow of the underdark at page 52.
CowMasterTrojan
03-15-08, 03:32 AM Now I dont have drow of the underdark, so i cant be sure. But feint only makes the target flat-footed against the first attack. So it sounds like this feat makes the target flat footed against additional attacks. Hope this helps.
Uulbaan
03-15-08, 03:45 AM Yes it does.

However, how can you make more than one attack with a feint since it required a Move action (with the feat)? At least, allies can benefit of this condition if they act before the target I guess.

Surprising Riposte:

Benefit:

If you deal damage to an opponent in the same round that you successfully feinted against it, it becomes flat-footed. This effect lasts 1 round or until the opponent's next turn, whichever comes first.

Opponents that can't be caught flat-footed, such as characters who have uncanny dodge, cannot be affected by Surprising Riposte.
Kouk
03-15-08, 04:35 AM A few things allow you to Feint as a faster action than Move, though I can't remember off the top of my head.

Also, a few things give you extra actions, such as the Belt of Battle (I believe) in the MIC.

I don't own the DotU book, but it seems mostly useful for allies. If you make the enemy flat footed then everyone attacking at melee probably will get a bit of a better chance to hit (enemy loses Dex bonus to AC) and your Rogue can Sneak Attack him.
mplindustries
03-15-08, 10:23 AM No! Feinting does not make someone flat-footed. Feinting makes someone lose their dexterity bonus to armor class for your next attack only. Losing your dex bonus and being flat-footed are totally different effects.

So Surprising Riposte's effects are many:

1) It makes them flat-footed, not just denied their Dex bonus. This means that in addition to losing their Dexterity bonus to AC, they also cannot make AoOs without Combat Reflexes.

2) It works for everyone, not just you. You can use Suprising Riposte and then your rogue allies don't need to feint themselves to deal sneak attack damage.

3) It lasts for 1 round, not just one attack.

4) Some effects, such as Iaijitsu Focus or the Fighter alternate feature Hit-and-Run Tactics (from the same book) only work when someone is actually flat-footed, not just denied their Dex bonus.

So, in general, Surprising Riposte will help your allies more than it will help you, but its still significantly better than just plain feinting.

Oh, and before Surprising Riposte, the errata for Invisible Blade made it completely suck. Now, you can feint as a free action and if you hit them on your first swing, all the rest of your attacks are sneak attacks, too.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Uulbaan 03-15-08, 02:34 AM	It is not clear to me what this feat add to a succeeded feint. Can someone explain me the advantage of this feat plz? When you succeed a feint the target loose his Dex Bonus becoming flat-footed right? Surprising riposte state that if you succeed a feint and deal damage as well, the target become flat-footed. You can find the description of this feat in Drow of the underdark at page 52.
CowMasterTrojan 03-15-08, 03:32 AM	Now I dont have drow of the underdark, so i cant be sure. But feint only makes the target flat-footed against the first attack. So it sounds like this feat makes the target flat footed against additional attacks. Hope this helps.
Uulbaan 03-15-08, 03:45 AM	Yes it does. However, how can you make more than one attack with a feint since it required a Move action (with the feat)? At least, allies can benefit of this condition if they act before the target I guess. Surprising Riposte: Benefit: If you deal damage to an opponent in the same round that you successfully feinted against it, it becomes flat-footed. This effect lasts 1 round or until the opponent's next turn, whichever comes first. Opponents that can't be caught flat-footed, such as characters who have uncanny dodge, cannot be affected by Surprising Riposte.
Kouk 03-15-08, 04:35 AM	A few things allow you to Feint as a faster action than Move, though I can't remember off the top of my head. Also, a few things give you extra actions, such as the Belt of Battle (I believe) in the MIC. I don't own the DotU book, but it seems mostly useful for allies. If you make the enemy flat footed then everyone attacking at melee probably will get a bit of a better chance to hit (enemy loses Dex bonus to AC) and your Rogue can Sneak Attack him.
mplindustries 03-15-08, 10:23 AM	No! Feinting does not make someone flat-footed. Feinting makes someone lose their dexterity bonus to armor class for your next attack only. Losing your dex bonus and being flat-footed are totally different effects. So Surprising Riposte's effects are many: 1) It makes them flat-footed, not just denied their Dex bonus. This means that in addition to losing their Dexterity bonus to AC, they also cannot make AoOs without Combat Reflexes. 2) It works for everyone, not just you. You can use Suprising Riposte and then your rogue allies don't need to feint themselves to deal sneak attack damage. 3) It lasts for 1 round, not just one attack. 4) Some effects, such as Iaijitsu Focus or the Fighter alternate feature Hit-and-Run Tactics (from the same book) only work when someone is actually flat-footed, not just denied their Dex bonus. So, in general, Surprising Riposte will help your allies more than it will help you, but its still significantly better than just plain feinting. Oh, and before Surprising Riposte, the errata for Invisible Blade made it completely suck. Now, you can feint as a free action and if you hit them on your first swing, all the rest of your attacks are sneak attacks, too.