THW Unarmed Strike? [Archive] - Wizards Community

THW Unarmed Strike? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Flay Crimsonwind
10-04-07, 08:55 PM I seem to specifically recall something along the lines of a feat granting you use of your unarmed strikes as two handed weapons, but I can't seem to find it. Am I going crazy? Is it a class level, not a feat? Did I misinterpret something? If not, can someone please remind me of it's name and book? Danke.
Salla
10-04-07, 09:05 PM Dredging up old memories, my brain is tellng me it's Hammer Blow, in Races of Faerun. it's Dwarf only.
ShinAkuma2
10-04-07, 09:11 PM That's right, it allowed you treat an Unarmed Strike as a Two-Handed weapon, but as I recall, you couldn't Flurry of Blows this way.
Flay Crimsonwind
10-04-07, 09:22 PM Thank you; would've taken me a while, heheheh. Still, didn't it limit you to a single attack though, or something along those lines. If so, is there a better way to go about obtaining such a feature?
jacobi289
10-04-07, 09:32 PM Take your hands and clasp them together?
ShinAkuma2
10-04-07, 11:13 PM That's what the feat is.
Kouk
10-05-07, 01:28 AM I like the feat, it has some flavor and I don't think you could say it "overpowers" unarmed combat any. I allow any race to take it.
The_Unseen_Illusion
10-07-07, 10:29 AM Or why even make it a feat? Most Monk feats that are out there most dedicated Martial Artists already have. Say if your playing a human monk that starts the game at age 23, it's a bit unrealistic that he didn't learn, in his 18 years of training, how to attack with both hands at the same time. And he would only have 3 feats from his lifetime of training? Monks are too feat starved =(
ShinAkuma2
10-07-07, 04:14 PM And he would only have 3 feats from his lifetime of training? Monks are too feat starved =(

That's more than a Fighter of the same age, or a Wizard that could be decades older. I think that's quite alright.
runestar
10-07-07, 09:35 PM Technically, it only lets you apply 1.5 str mod to damage on unarmed strikes. You are still treated as 1-handed for say, power attack purposes.:P
Salla
10-07-07, 11:44 PM That's right, it allowed you treat an Unarmed Strike as a Two-Handed weapon, but as I recall, you couldn't Flurry of Blows this way.

I was right? Holy crap.
Dog_O_War
10-08-07, 12:24 PM Hehe, my friends and I call it the Kirk. Because of this, we never use it (mental imagery is too lame).
ShinAkuma2
10-08-07, 02:36 PM Technically, it only lets you apply 1.5 str mod to damage on unarmed strikes. You are still treated as 1-handed for say, power attack purposes.:P

Oh, really? That seems really lame.
Tyler Do'Urden
10-08-07, 08:18 PM This is the way I do it.

HAMMERFIST STRIKE
Prerequisites: Flurry of blows ability, Weapon Focus (unarmed), base attack bonus +4, Str 13.
Benefit: When performing a flurry of blows, you may sacrifice your extra attack to treat your unarmed strikes as a two-handed weapon for one round. Any penalty to your attack roll from flurry of blows applies normally.

I've never really read anything Faerun-related.
The_Unseen_Illusion
10-09-07, 03:56 AM That's more than a Fighter of the same age, or a Wizard that could be decades older. I think that's quite alright.

Well then, I believe all characters are feat starved:P
Legdiwena
10-10-07, 02:56 PM I thought there was a Sage ruling that unarmed strikes could be 2 handed without resorting to feats.
Grod_The_Giant
10-10-07, 03:07 PM I thought there was a Sage ruling that unarmed strikes could be 2 handed without resorting to feats.

makes sense
wonlee76
10-11-07, 12:06 AM I thought there was a Sage ruling that unarmed strikes could be 2 handed without resorting to feats.

Even if such a rule existed, what would be the point? Unarmed strikes are light weapons. Wielding a light weapon two handed doesn't get you the 1.5 strength bonus benefit to damage.

And also note when wielding a quarterstaff two handed and doing a flurry of blows with it negates the benefit of 1.5 strength bonus to damage too.

So it would make sense to me if you do want to give a monk some way to get 1.5 strength damage with unarmed strikes (whether by feat or just by houserule), the monk can't do a flurry of blows with it.
navar100
10-11-07, 01:40 AM Even if such a rule existed, what would be the point? Unarmed strikes are light weapons. Wielding a light weapon two handed doesn't get you the 1.5 strength bonus benefit to damage.

And also note when wielding a quarterstaff two handed and doing a flurry of blows with it negates the benefit of 1.5 strength bonus to damage too.

So it would make sense to me if you do want to give a monk some way to get 1.5 strength damage with unarmed strikes (whether by feat or just by houserule), the monk can't do a flurry of blows with it.

However, wouldn't it help for Disarming? Two-handed weapons provide a +4 bonus. Improved Disarm that monks can get provides a +4 bonus. A two-handed unarmed strike would thus be +8 to disarming before BAB and Strength are added in. It would be fair to say doing this means you don't have a hand free such that you couldn't grab the disarmed weapon, but that +8 is worth it.
Daeva
10-15-07, 02:16 AM yes, but they are sitll light weapons so -4 for that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Flay Crimsonwind 10-04-07, 08:55 PM	I seem to specifically recall something along the lines of a feat granting you use of your unarmed strikes as two handed weapons, but I can't seem to find it. Am I going crazy? Is it a class level, not a feat? Did I misinterpret something? If not, can someone please remind me of it's name and book? Danke.
Salla 10-04-07, 09:05 PM	Dredging up old memories, my brain is tellng me it's Hammer Blow, in Races of Faerun. it's Dwarf only.
ShinAkuma2 10-04-07, 09:11 PM	That's right, it allowed you treat an Unarmed Strike as a Two-Handed weapon, but as I recall, you couldn't Flurry of Blows this way.
Flay Crimsonwind 10-04-07, 09:22 PM	Thank you; would've taken me a while, heheheh. Still, didn't it limit you to a single attack though, or something along those lines. If so, is there a better way to go about obtaining such a feature?
jacobi289 10-04-07, 09:32 PM	Take your hands and clasp them together?
ShinAkuma2 10-04-07, 11:13 PM	That's what the feat is.
Kouk 10-05-07, 01:28 AM	I like the feat, it has some flavor and I don't think you could say it "overpowers" unarmed combat any. I allow any race to take it.
The_Unseen_Illusion 10-07-07, 10:29 AM	Or why even make it a feat? Most Monk feats that are out there most dedicated Martial Artists already have. Say if your playing a human monk that starts the game at age 23, it's a bit unrealistic that he didn't learn, in his 18 years of training, how to attack with both hands at the same time. And he would only have 3 feats from his lifetime of training? Monks are too feat starved =(
ShinAkuma2 10-07-07, 04:14 PM	And he would only have 3 feats from his lifetime of training? Monks are too feat starved =( That's more than a Fighter of the same age, or a Wizard that could be decades older. I think that's quite alright.
runestar 10-07-07, 09:35 PM	Technically, it only lets you apply 1.5 str mod to damage on unarmed strikes. You are still treated as 1-handed for say, power attack purposes.:P
Salla 10-07-07, 11:44 PM	That's right, it allowed you treat an Unarmed Strike as a Two-Handed weapon, but as I recall, you couldn't Flurry of Blows this way. I was right? Holy crap.
Dog_O_War 10-08-07, 12:24 PM	Hehe, my friends and I call it the Kirk. Because of this, we never use it (mental imagery is too lame).
ShinAkuma2 10-08-07, 02:36 PM	Technically, it only lets you apply 1.5 str mod to damage on unarmed strikes. You are still treated as 1-handed for say, power attack purposes.:P Oh, really? That seems really lame.
Tyler Do'Urden 10-08-07, 08:18 PM	This is the way I do it. HAMMERFIST STRIKE Prerequisites: Flurry of blows ability, Weapon Focus (unarmed), base attack bonus +4, Str 13. Benefit: When performing a flurry of blows, you may sacrifice your extra attack to treat your unarmed strikes as a two-handed weapon for one round. Any penalty to your attack roll from flurry of blows applies normally. I've never really read anything Faerun-related.
The_Unseen_Illusion 10-09-07, 03:56 AM	That's more than a Fighter of the same age, or a Wizard that could be decades older. I think that's quite alright. Well then, I believe all characters are feat starved:P
Legdiwena 10-10-07, 02:56 PM	I thought there was a Sage ruling that unarmed strikes could be 2 handed without resorting to feats.
Grod_The_Giant 10-10-07, 03:07 PM	I thought there was a Sage ruling that unarmed strikes could be 2 handed without resorting to feats. makes sense
wonlee76 10-11-07, 12:06 AM	I thought there was a Sage ruling that unarmed strikes could be 2 handed without resorting to feats. Even if such a rule existed, what would be the point? Unarmed strikes are light weapons. Wielding a light weapon two handed doesn't get you the 1.5 strength bonus benefit to damage. And also note when wielding a quarterstaff two handed and doing a flurry of blows with it negates the benefit of 1.5 strength bonus to damage too. So it would make sense to me if you do want to give a monk some way to get 1.5 strength damage with unarmed strikes (whether by feat or just by houserule), the monk can't do a flurry of blows with it.
navar100 10-11-07, 01:40 AM	Even if such a rule existed, what would be the point? Unarmed strikes are light weapons. Wielding a light weapon two handed doesn't get you the 1.5 strength bonus benefit to damage. And also note when wielding a quarterstaff two handed and doing a flurry of blows with it negates the benefit of 1.5 strength bonus to damage too. So it would make sense to me if you do want to give a monk some way to get 1.5 strength damage with unarmed strikes (whether by feat or just by houserule), the monk can't do a flurry of blows with it. However, wouldn't it help for Disarming? Two-handed weapons provide a +4 bonus. Improved Disarm that monks can get provides a +4 bonus. A two-handed unarmed strike would thus be +8 to disarming before BAB and Strength are added in. It would be fair to say doing this means you don't have a hand free such that you couldn't grab the disarmed weapon, but that +8 is worth it.
Daeva 10-15-07, 02:16 AM	yes, but they are sitll light weapons so -4 for that.