TWF with low dexterity? Possible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

TWF with low dexterity? Possible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Dethro
04-09-07, 11:59 PM I'm helping build a dwarf for a friend, and they want to go the Two-weapon Fighting route. They want to have a low dexterity however, and apart from having a low base and then getting a +6 item, I cannot see any other way to get TWF without having a sky-high dexterity (Not including Ranger, but they're going barbarian and battlerager so they don't have space for ranger levels). Can anyone think of anything that would work?
Someone
04-10-07, 12:39 AM Other than ranger, which you said is out, the only thing you could do is suck it up and take the -6/-10 to hit penalty. You can reduce those by 2 if the off-hand is light, but the TWF feat is what really reduces those numbers.
jaelis
04-10-07, 12:58 AM Agile Shield Fighter in the PHBII gives you one off-hand attack with a shield with -2 penalty. There's no Dex req, but no iterative attacks either.

(Note that a spiked heavy shield of bashing does 2d6 damage.)
Fireclave
04-10-07, 01:05 AM Without going into ranger, or some varient there of, I can think of no way to get TWF without capitalizing your dex. Really, if your friend is going the barbarian route, he might want to reconsider upping his dex anyway. He already suffers an AC penalty when raging and, baring the availability of mithral, will probably only be able to wear medium armor.

You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes, well you might find
You get what you need
Arcane Guyver
04-10-07, 02:35 AM Well...heh, can't believe I'm even bothering to mention this class...the Complete Warrior's Samurai class is completely based around dual wielding without any Dex. Not that I recommend it, or anything, but the option is there.
Jaxgaret
04-10-07, 03:17 AM Well...heh, can't believe I'm even bothering to mention this class...the Complete Warrior's Samurai class is completely based around dual wielding without any Dex. Not that I recommend it, or anything, but the option is there.

No space for Ranger levels = no space for Samurai levels.

Or am I wrong?

Nice thought, though. The Samurai class was almost good for something! :)
kave99
04-10-07, 04:04 AM gloves of the balanced hand from the Magic Item compendium provides TWF with no prerequisites
Lina_Inverse
04-10-07, 04:18 AM Just go with a big arse two hander, way more stylish and effective. Leave the dual wielding to sissy rogues.
Bob Loblaw
04-10-07, 09:31 AM The diopsid race in Dragon Compendium allows you to ignore the Dexterity requirements of the two-weapon fighting tree. The race is a humanoid bug, so it may not fit with your game.
carcrazy202
04-10-07, 09:37 AM Well i would suggest gettting the oversized TWF feat you will most certainly need that.
I dont see why with TWF and Oversized TWF combined with high strengh scores and some weapon specilizantion feats it couldn't work.
Steely_Dan
04-10-07, 09:39 AM The diopsid race in Dragon Compendium allows you to ignore the Dexterity requirements of the two-weapon fighting tree. The race is a humanoid bug, so it may not fit with your game.

Good call - dig those guys.
Nephlite
04-10-07, 03:13 PM I'm helping build a dwarf for a friend, and they want to go the Two-weapon Fighting route. They want to have a low dexterity however, and apart from having a low base and then getting a +6 item, I cannot see any other way to get TWF without having a sky-high dexterity (Not including Ranger, but they're going barbarian and battlerager so they don't have space for ranger levels). Can anyone think of anything that would work?

Ranger requires light armor only
Samurai works in any armor but only with katanas and watashis (so 2 short swords, 2 bastards swords, or a bastards sword and a short sword)
Johannixx
04-10-07, 11:41 PM I'd say start out with a two-handed weapon, and then get Gloves of the Balanced Hand from the MIC, and go greataxe + armor spikes.
Dethro
04-11-07, 12:24 AM Well, the dwarf is themed as follows:
Light armor (if any);
Low dexterity;
High Con and Str;
Low Int;
Pretty standard barbarian, right?
Then, he will weild a hammer and an axe (possibly Dwarven Warhammer [swapped Urgrosh out for Warhammer] and Dwarven Waraxe), and more than likely make use of the combat style feats.
Steely_Dan
04-11-07, 03:39 AM I'd say start out with a two-handed weapon, and then get Gloves of the Balanced Hand from the MIC, and go greataxe + armor spikes.

…And Improved Buckler Defence?
Johannixx
04-11-07, 11:21 AM …And Improved Buckler Defence?

A dwarf barbarian won't have enough feats to waste one on a single point of armor bonus, especially when it means sacrificing a point of attack bonus.
Argo
04-11-07, 02:45 PM Just go Spiked Chain at the start, wielding it 2-handed, then get those gloves of the balanced hand and start using it as a Double Weapon.

In the meanwhile, Improved Trip, and hit 'em while they're down!
Or Improved Disarm, and hit an 'em while they're... disarmed.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dethro 04-09-07, 11:59 PM	I'm helping build a dwarf for a friend, and they want to go the Two-weapon Fighting route. They want to have a low dexterity however, and apart from having a low base and then getting a +6 item, I cannot see any other way to get TWF without having a sky-high dexterity (Not including Ranger, but they're going barbarian and battlerager so they don't have space for ranger levels). Can anyone think of anything that would work?
Someone 04-10-07, 12:39 AM	Other than ranger, which you said is out, the only thing you could do is suck it up and take the -6/-10 to hit penalty. You can reduce those by 2 if the off-hand is light, but the TWF feat is what really reduces those numbers.
jaelis 04-10-07, 12:58 AM	Agile Shield Fighter in the PHBII gives you one off-hand attack with a shield with -2 penalty. There's no Dex req, but no iterative attacks either. (Note that a spiked heavy shield of bashing does 2d6 damage.)
Fireclave 04-10-07, 01:05 AM	Without going into ranger, or some varient there of, I can think of no way to get TWF without capitalizing your dex. Really, if your friend is going the barbarian route, he might want to reconsider upping his dex anyway. He already suffers an AC penalty when raging and, baring the availability of mithral, will probably only be able to wear medium armor. You can't always get what you want But if you try sometimes, well you might find You get what you need
Arcane Guyver 04-10-07, 02:35 AM	Well...heh, can't believe I'm even bothering to mention this class...the Complete Warrior's Samurai class is completely based around dual wielding without any Dex. Not that I recommend it, or anything, but the option is there.
Jaxgaret 04-10-07, 03:17 AM	Well...heh, can't believe I'm even bothering to mention this class...the Complete Warrior's Samurai class is completely based around dual wielding without any Dex. Not that I recommend it, or anything, but the option is there. No space for Ranger levels = no space for Samurai levels. Or am I wrong? Nice thought, though. The Samurai class was almost good for something! :)
kave99 04-10-07, 04:04 AM	gloves of the balanced hand from the Magic Item compendium provides TWF with no prerequisites
Lina_Inverse 04-10-07, 04:18 AM	Just go with a big arse two hander, way more stylish and effective. Leave the dual wielding to sissy rogues.
Bob Loblaw 04-10-07, 09:31 AM	The diopsid race in Dragon Compendium allows you to ignore the Dexterity requirements of the two-weapon fighting tree. The race is a humanoid bug, so it may not fit with your game.
carcrazy202 04-10-07, 09:37 AM	Well i would suggest gettting the oversized TWF feat you will most certainly need that. I dont see why with TWF and Oversized TWF combined with high strengh scores and some weapon specilizantion feats it couldn't work.
Steely_Dan 04-10-07, 09:39 AM	The diopsid race in Dragon Compendium allows you to ignore the Dexterity requirements of the two-weapon fighting tree. The race is a humanoid bug, so it may not fit with your game. Good call - dig those guys.
Nephlite 04-10-07, 03:13 PM	I'm helping build a dwarf for a friend, and they want to go the Two-weapon Fighting route. They want to have a low dexterity however, and apart from having a low base and then getting a +6 item, I cannot see any other way to get TWF without having a sky-high dexterity (Not including Ranger, but they're going barbarian and battlerager so they don't have space for ranger levels). Can anyone think of anything that would work? Ranger requires light armor only Samurai works in any armor but only with katanas and watashis (so 2 short swords, 2 bastards swords, or a bastards sword and a short sword)
Johannixx 04-10-07, 11:41 PM	I'd say start out with a two-handed weapon, and then get Gloves of the Balanced Hand from the MIC, and go greataxe + armor spikes.
Dethro 04-11-07, 12:24 AM	Well, the dwarf is themed as follows: Light armor (if any); Low dexterity; High Con and Str; Low Int; Pretty standard barbarian, right? Then, he will weild a hammer and an axe (possibly Dwarven Warhammer [swapped Urgrosh out for Warhammer] and Dwarven Waraxe), and more than likely make use of the combat style feats.
Steely_Dan 04-11-07, 03:39 AM	I'd say start out with a two-handed weapon, and then get Gloves of the Balanced Hand from the MIC, and go greataxe + armor spikes. …And Improved Buckler Defence?
Johannixx 04-11-07, 11:21 AM	…And Improved Buckler Defence? A dwarf barbarian won't have enough feats to waste one on a single point of armor bonus, especially when it means sacrificing a point of attack bonus.
Argo 04-11-07, 02:45 PM	Just go Spiked Chain at the start, wielding it 2-handed, then get those gloves of the balanced hand and start using it as a Double Weapon. In the meanwhile, Improved Trip, and hit 'em while they're down! Or Improved Disarm, and hit an 'em while they're... disarmed.