UMD: is a charge used when the skill fails? [Archive] - Wizards Community

UMD: is a charge used when the skill fails? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Nicholas the Paladin
10-25-07, 03:28 PM Hi guys,

Our cleric has left our group and now we are without a healer. We are dependent of 'healing belts' and UMD'ing the 'lesser vigor' wands.

About UMD:
- when you fail your UMD check on a wand, do you still loose a charge?
- The same with scrolls; when you fail, is the scroll used?
Nom
10-25-07, 08:15 PM Normally, no.

The only time a charge might be used is with 'activate blindly'. The rules don't say, but it seems reasonable to assume a charge could be used.

The other gray area is scrolls and "regular" scroll failure. As written, if you fail your UMD check the scroll simply fails. There doesn't seem to be a mechanic that allows UMD to meet the spell list requirement but not the caster level requirement and thus trigger scroll spell failure rules.
elonin
10-26-07, 10:48 PM I'd imagine that the mishap (missing your check by 10 or more) would use a charge at the least.
KrisTheGreat
11-04-07, 10:51 PM The only time a charge is used on a failed umd check is on a mishap roll otherwise you simply fail to make it do anything at all.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Nicholas the Paladin 10-25-07, 03:28 PM	Hi guys, Our cleric has left our group and now we are without a healer. We are dependent of 'healing belts' and UMD'ing the 'lesser vigor' wands. About UMD: - when you fail your UMD check on a wand, do you still loose a charge? - The same with scrolls; when you fail, is the scroll used?
Nom 10-25-07, 08:15 PM	Normally, no. The only time a charge might be used is with 'activate blindly'. The rules don't say, but it seems reasonable to assume a charge could be used. The other gray area is scrolls and "regular" scroll failure. As written, if you fail your UMD check the scroll simply fails. There doesn't seem to be a mechanic that allows UMD to meet the spell list requirement but not the caster level requirement and thus trigger scroll spell failure rules.
elonin 10-26-07, 10:48 PM	I'd imagine that the mishap (missing your check by 10 or more) would use a charge at the least.
KrisTheGreat 11-04-07, 10:51 PM	The only time a charge is used on a failed umd check is on a mishap roll otherwise you simply fail to make it do anything at all.