Unarmed Damage [Archive] - Wizards Community

Unarmed Damage [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ThePope
03-21-07, 01:23 AM Question about how things would stack up... if I take the following feats:
-Improved Unarmed Strike
-Superior Unarmed Strike (ups unarmed damage or adds 4 monk lvls to damage)
-Improved Natural Weapon (unarmed strike) (improves weapon size by 1)
-have a Monk's Belt (deal damage as a 5th lvl monk)
-and then use Giant's Stance from ToB (increases size category by 1, max size Large)

what exactly would ya'll say my damage should be? More precisely I suppose is how would you say things stack up? Does using a Monk's Belt mean I hit as a 9th level monk so long as I'm wearing it?

Does Giant's Stance kick in and then Imp Natural attack? (ie my weapon is huge) or is it the feat takes precedence and makes the stance redundant? (well unless I play a Small character)
G_Mancer
03-21-07, 10:25 AM Giant stance makes you a size larger. Imp nat attack, saying "one size larger than yourself", lets you do an additional size larger. they stack because one changes your effective size, and the other increases AS IF your size had been larger.
improved unarmed striek letys you do leathal, that doesn't come into conflict.
Superior unarmed strike and monks belt stack with everything else because they imrpove as if you had gained monk lvls. they DO stack with eachother because they are enhancement bonuses from items. i cant quote anything because i dont have my books infront of me, but i'm 85% sure i'm right on all this.
Iarmeister
03-21-07, 04:21 PM Of course, the assumtion i'm sure that G_Mancer and myself are making is that you actually have at least a level in Monk.

The reason is that Improved Unarmed Strike is different from a monk's Unarmed Strike ability for one very important note: A monk's Unarmed Strike ability allows their unarmed strikes to be considered both natural weapons and manufactured weapons for purposes of determining feats and magic enhancements.

Improved Unarmed Strike, the feat, does not provide this.

This is important because it means that only a monk's unarmed strike ability can qualify for Improved Natural Attack. A fighter or other non-monk unarmed specialist with merely Improved Unarmed Strike cannot.
Ian0311
03-21-07, 06:35 PM Also, I have a question. Does superior unarmed strike GIVE you the damage from the table or add that damage to your unarmed strike?
Iarmeister
03-21-07, 07:13 PM Also, I have a question. Does superior unarmed strike GIVE you the damage from the table or add that damage to your unarmed strike?

Gives you the damage on the table. Remember, for non-monk unarmed specialists, Improved Unarmed Strike doesn't change the damage, just allows you to attack armed opponents w/o triggering an AoO.

Note: the table for Superior Unarmed Strike is the same as that of a small-sized monk, with the exception of level 20: a small sized monk's US damage increases once more at level 20, SUS does not.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ThePope 03-21-07, 01:23 AM	Question about how things would stack up... if I take the following feats: -Improved Unarmed Strike -Superior Unarmed Strike (ups unarmed damage or adds 4 monk lvls to damage) -Improved Natural Weapon (unarmed strike) (improves weapon size by 1) -have a Monk's Belt (deal damage as a 5th lvl monk) -and then use Giant's Stance from ToB (increases size category by 1, max size Large) what exactly would ya'll say my damage should be? More precisely I suppose is how would you say things stack up? Does using a Monk's Belt mean I hit as a 9th level monk so long as I'm wearing it? Does Giant's Stance kick in and then Imp Natural attack? (ie my weapon is huge) or is it the feat takes precedence and makes the stance redundant? (well unless I play a Small character)
G_Mancer 03-21-07, 10:25 AM	Giant stance makes you a size larger. Imp nat attack, saying "one size larger than yourself", lets you do an additional size larger. they stack because one changes your effective size, and the other increases AS IF your size had been larger. improved unarmed striek letys you do leathal, that doesn't come into conflict. Superior unarmed strike and monks belt stack with everything else because they imrpove as if you had gained monk lvls. they DO stack with eachother because they are enhancement bonuses from items. i cant quote anything because i dont have my books infront of me, but i'm 85% sure i'm right on all this.
Iarmeister 03-21-07, 04:21 PM	Of course, the assumtion i'm sure that G_Mancer and myself are making is that you actually have at least a level in Monk. The reason is that Improved Unarmed Strike is different from a monk's Unarmed Strike ability for one very important note: A monk's Unarmed Strike ability allows their unarmed strikes to be considered both natural weapons and manufactured weapons for purposes of determining feats and magic enhancements. Improved Unarmed Strike, the feat, does not provide this. This is important because it means that only a monk's unarmed strike ability can qualify for Improved Natural Attack. A fighter or other non-monk unarmed specialist with merely Improved Unarmed Strike cannot.
Ian0311 03-21-07, 06:35 PM	Also, I have a question. Does superior unarmed strike GIVE you the damage from the table or add that damage to your unarmed strike?
Iarmeister 03-21-07, 07:13 PM	Also, I have a question. Does superior unarmed strike GIVE you the damage from the table or add that damage to your unarmed strike? Gives you the damage on the table. Remember, for non-monk unarmed specialists, Improved Unarmed Strike doesn't change the damage, just allows you to attack armed opponents w/o triggering an AoO. Note: the table for Superior Unarmed Strike is the same as that of a small-sized monk, with the exception of level 20: a small sized monk's US damage increases once more at level 20, SUS does not.