War Domain + feat prereq [Archive] - Wizards Community

War Domain + feat prereq [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Cavalry_Medic
03-17-08, 01:54 PM The War domain grants a cleric a free weapon focus feat.
A first level cleric has a BAB of +0.
Weapon focus has a prereq of BAB +1 or greater.
Does a first level cleric gain the benefits of the free Weapon Focus or
must the cleric wait until it gains BAB +1?
Scion of Coldshard
03-17-08, 02:03 PM Pretty poorly thought out isnt it? ;)

However, if you treat the feats like bonus feats then you can simply ignore the prereqs. That seems like the easiest solution.
StevenO
03-17-08, 03:05 PM Bonus feat like that ignore normal Prereqs. You could have DEX 8 and use Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (prereq DEX 19) provided you selected it as part of a Ranger 11's fighting style.
Wih
03-18-08, 01:10 AM Bonus feat like that ignore normal Prereqs. You could have DEX 8 and use Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (prereq DEX 19) provided you selected it as part of a Ranger 11's fighting style.

The Ranger's Combat Style specifically says you get it even if you don't meet the Pre-requisites. Any feat that you get as a bonus feat, unless it explicitly states that you don't need the pre-reqs, you can't use until you get the pre-reqs. This means for instance, that if a Fighter has his strength dropped to below 13, he loses the use of his Power Attack feat that he picked up as a Fighter Bonus Feat until his Strength goes back to 13 or over.
As the War Domain doesn't state that you ignore pre-reqs, you technically don't gain any use of it until your get +1 BAB - but it's a common houserule to ignore that in the Cleric's case.
StevenO
03-18-08, 01:20 AM That is when you "select" the Bonus Feat. The Weapon Focus from the War Domain is more like a class feature that doesn't care about the prereqs. Besides the Ranger you can also look at the Monk's fighting styles which don't require the normal prereqs either.
runestar
03-18-08, 01:26 AM Any feat that you get as a bonus feat, unless it explicitly states that you don't need the pre-reqs, you can't use until you get the pre-reqs. This means for instance, that if a Fighter has his strength dropped to below 13, he loses the use of his Power Attack feat that he picked up as a Fighter Bonus Feat until his Strength goes back to 13 or over.

Actually, this is because the fighter class also explicitly states that you must meet all the requirements for any bonus feat you take.

So I guess it can be interpreted that unless stated otherwise, you generally do not need to meet the requirements of any bonus feats you acquire.:)
strenoth
03-18-08, 02:18 AM as near as I can tell, bonus feats should be read this way:

Being able to select your feat from a list defaults to needing to qualify for the feat.

Not being able to select your bonus feat skips prerequisites.

in a few cases, you have a very small selection (monk) or a path (ranger), these tend to allow you to ignore prerequisties.
risner
03-18-08, 02:47 AM The War domain grants a cleric a free weapon focus feat.
A first level cleric has a BAB of +0.
Weapon focus has a prereq of BAB +1 or greater.
Does a first level cleric gain the benefits of the free Weapon Focus or
must the cleric wait until it gains BAB +1?

It is a bonus feat, so you don't need to meet the pre-reqs to use it unless it says you do (Fighter feats for example.)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Cavalry_Medic 03-17-08, 01:54 PM	The War domain grants a cleric a free weapon focus feat. A first level cleric has a BAB of +0. Weapon focus has a prereq of BAB +1 or greater. Does a first level cleric gain the benefits of the free Weapon Focus or must the cleric wait until it gains BAB +1?
Scion of Coldshard 03-17-08, 02:03 PM	Pretty poorly thought out isnt it? ;) However, if you treat the feats like bonus feats then you can simply ignore the prereqs. That seems like the easiest solution.
StevenO 03-17-08, 03:05 PM	Bonus feat like that ignore normal Prereqs. You could have DEX 8 and use Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (prereq DEX 19) provided you selected it as part of a Ranger 11's fighting style.
Wih 03-18-08, 01:10 AM	Bonus feat like that ignore normal Prereqs. You could have DEX 8 and use Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (prereq DEX 19) provided you selected it as part of a Ranger 11's fighting style. The Ranger's Combat Style specifically says you get it even if you don't meet the Pre-requisites. Any feat that you get as a bonus feat, unless it explicitly states that you don't need the pre-reqs, you can't use until you get the pre-reqs. This means for instance, that if a Fighter has his strength dropped to below 13, he loses the use of his Power Attack feat that he picked up as a Fighter Bonus Feat until his Strength goes back to 13 or over. As the War Domain doesn't state that you ignore pre-reqs, you technically don't gain any use of it until your get +1 BAB - but it's a common houserule to ignore that in the Cleric's case.
StevenO 03-18-08, 01:20 AM	That is when you "select" the Bonus Feat. The Weapon Focus from the War Domain is more like a class feature that doesn't care about the prereqs. Besides the Ranger you can also look at the Monk's fighting styles which don't require the normal prereqs either.
runestar 03-18-08, 01:26 AM	Any feat that you get as a bonus feat, unless it explicitly states that you don't need the pre-reqs, you can't use until you get the pre-reqs. This means for instance, that if a Fighter has his strength dropped to below 13, he loses the use of his Power Attack feat that he picked up as a Fighter Bonus Feat until his Strength goes back to 13 or over. Actually, this is because the fighter class also explicitly states that you must meet all the requirements for any bonus feat you take. So I guess it can be interpreted that unless stated otherwise, you generally do not need to meet the requirements of any bonus feats you acquire.:)
strenoth 03-18-08, 02:18 AM	as near as I can tell, bonus feats should be read this way: Being able to select your feat from a list defaults to needing to qualify for the feat. Not being able to select your bonus feat skips prerequisites. in a few cases, you have a very small selection (monk) or a path (ranger), these tend to allow you to ignore prerequisties.
risner 03-18-08, 02:47 AM	The War domain grants a cleric a free weapon focus feat. A first level cleric has a BAB of +0. Weapon focus has a prereq of BAB +1 or greater. Does a first level cleric gain the benefits of the free Weapon Focus or must the cleric wait until it gains BAB +1? It is a bonus feat, so you don't need to meet the pre-reqs to use it unless it says you do (Fighter feats for example.)