What feats do you think should be skill tricks [Archive] - Wizards Community

What feats do you think should be skill tricks [Archive] - Wizards Community

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angledragonofearth
03-12-07, 05:27 PM I like skill tricks, and was thinking of turning some of the weaker feats into skill tricks. Like that one from Sandstorm that gives you the "ability" to kick sand into someones face. So I was wondering what feat you think should also be skill tricks.

Thinks
Crashy75
03-12-07, 07:30 PM Well, track and urban tracking for starters.
Dheran
03-13-07, 01:56 PM Well, track and urban tracking for starters. Those are pretty good suggestions; they work with the skill trick limitation of once/encounter or once/minute.

Flick of the Wrist (from Complete Warrior) is already written up as the Hidden Blade skill trick, so that one's covered. There are a bunch of other feats that could make for decent Sleight of Hand skill tricks, but the once/encounter limitation would make them wimpier than the feats. Deflect Arrows, Quick Draw, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, and Manyshot might work. There's no feat for this, but if you've got Quick Draw I could see a skill trick to Quick Sheathe (as a swift, not free, action).

Improved Counterspell and Combat Casting would be good Spellcraft skill tricks.

Ride-By Attack would be a good Ride skill trick.

This isn't a feat, but there are never enough skill points to cover what a character needs to learn. How about just turning Open Lock into a skill trick based on Disable Device?
UnrelentingHoror
03-14-07, 04:45 AM haha, yeah thats the first thing my group asks now whenever the lock seems abit to tough to crack, "What side are the doors hinges on?":D
Crashy75
03-14-07, 11:02 AM ...There are a bunch of other feats that could make for decent Sleight of Hand skill tricks, but the once/encounter limitation would make them wimpier than the feats.
Well wimpier is probably better as skill tricks are somewhat cheaper than feats for most. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think all skill tricks have a per encounter limitation. It's been a bit since I looked through the complete scoundrel. I have mixed feelings about skill tricks really.
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This isn't a feat, but there are never enough skill points to cover what a character needs to learn. How about just turning Open Lock into a skill trick based on Disable Device?

I just fold it into dd with no skill trick, but I think that could work too.

EDIT: I'm thinking about trapfinding (the rogue special) as a skill trick. I like skill tricks for additional/augmented skill uses rather than as virtual feats. Honestly, I wouldn't mind converting most of the bards specials into skill tricks and turning the bard into a prestige class. I always felt the bard was a little too specialized to be a core class.
Jackmojo
03-14-07, 05:18 PM Some of the individual tactical feat options would probably work as well.

Individual feats:
Run, with what skill prereqs I don't know though.
Quick Reconnoiter, spot and listen
Able Learner, 5 ranks in any 5 skills

I'm sure there are a few others.

Jack

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
angledragonofearth 03-12-07, 05:27 PM	I like skill tricks, and was thinking of turning some of the weaker feats into skill tricks. Like that one from Sandstorm that gives you the "ability" to kick sand into someones face. So I was wondering what feat you think should also be skill tricks. Thinks
Crashy75 03-12-07, 07:30 PM	Well, track and urban tracking for starters.
Dheran 03-13-07, 01:56 PM	Well, track and urban tracking for starters. Those are pretty good suggestions; they work with the skill trick limitation of once/encounter or once/minute. Flick of the Wrist (from Complete Warrior) is already written up as the Hidden Blade skill trick, so that one's covered. There are a bunch of other feats that could make for decent Sleight of Hand skill tricks, but the once/encounter limitation would make them wimpier than the feats. Deflect Arrows, Quick Draw, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, and Manyshot might work. There's no feat for this, but if you've got Quick Draw I could see a skill trick to Quick Sheathe (as a swift, not free, action). Improved Counterspell and Combat Casting would be good Spellcraft skill tricks. Ride-By Attack would be a good Ride skill trick. This isn't a feat, but there are never enough skill points to cover what a character needs to learn. How about just turning Open Lock into a skill trick based on Disable Device?
UnrelentingHoror 03-14-07, 04:45 AM	haha, yeah thats the first thing my group asks now whenever the lock seems abit to tough to crack, "What side are the doors hinges on?":D
Crashy75 03-14-07, 11:02 AM	...There are a bunch of other feats that could make for decent Sleight of Hand skill tricks, but the once/encounter limitation would make them wimpier than the feats. Well wimpier is probably better as skill tricks are somewhat cheaper than feats for most. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think all skill tricks have a per encounter limitation. It's been a bit since I looked through the complete scoundrel. I have mixed feelings about skill tricks really. ... This isn't a feat, but there are never enough skill points to cover what a character needs to learn. How about just turning Open Lock into a skill trick based on Disable Device? I just fold it into dd with no skill trick, but I think that could work too. EDIT: I'm thinking about trapfinding (the rogue special) as a skill trick. I like skill tricks for additional/augmented skill uses rather than as virtual feats. Honestly, I wouldn't mind converting most of the bards specials into skill tricks and turning the bard into a prestige class. I always felt the bard was a little too specialized to be a core class.
Jackmojo 03-14-07, 05:18 PM	Some of the individual tactical feat options would probably work as well. Individual feats: Run, with what skill prereqs I don't know though. Quick Reconnoiter, spot and listen Able Learner, 5 ranks in any 5 skills I'm sure there are a few others. Jack