Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Iskitim 07-02-07, 01:34 PM	I'm looking for a feat that allows a druid to use the supernatural abilities of forms he assumes with wild shape. My current character is a Master of Many Forms who finds many of his possible forms useless because they rely on supernatural attacks. This makes me sad. Does such a feat exist? Is there any way at all to do this?
The_Rouge 07-02-07, 02:00 PM	I havnt got my books here right now, but doesnt a Master of Many forms get that ability around lvl5? I dont know of any feats.....sry
goawayugh 07-02-07, 02:04 PM	There is a feat in Draconomicon that lets you wild shape into a dragon (which you already have at MoMF 10), but it also gives you the supernatural abilities. I'm also pretty sure there is a feat in Savage Species called (?) Assume Supernatural Ability...although I think you have to choose ONE form when you select the feat.
Iskitim 07-02-07, 02:11 PM	Lvl 7 of Master of Many Forms gives extraordinary abilities of wild shapes. Normal is only extraordinary attacks, but no supernatural or non-attack extraordinary abilities. I'll check the Savage Species book, thanks.
tarkin 07-02-07, 02:21 PM	The feat goawayugh mentioned is an EPIC feat. It is called Dragon Wildshape and grants you the Exceptional and Supernatural abilities of the Dragon whose form you take. What you desire sounds more like a Prestige Class ability to me. To my knowledge, no non-epic 3.5 feat does it. The Feat Assume Supernatural Ability is a very famous abusive feat from 3.0. Do a google search on Pun-Pun to see the blatant abuse. No reasonable DM that has seen the Pun Pun builds is going to let you mix the Assume Supernatural ability into his game. You are better off building a specific feat home brew feat around a particular supernatural ability you like. One ability should cost one feat, and only on ones that are not the crazy-unlimited stuff like the Pun Pun build
goawayugh 07-02-07, 02:24 PM	I know about the extraordinary abilities at level 7, what I was refering to is the fact that you can already turn into a dragon at level 10, so the draconic wild shape is not as usful to you as it would be to a straight Druid. Just a suggestion, not sure what your build is like, but here is something I think would be really fun. Druid5 (or something else that can wild shape)/MoMF10/Warshaper5 Wild shape 11/day for 15 hr duration. Warshaper 5 gives Multimorph, you can change forms as long as your duration has not expired and it doesn't cost you wild shape uses (only reverting to your original form does, which you NEVER need to do because you can become any other humanoid). And since you NEVER need to go back to your original form, you ALWAYS have: immunity to crits/stunning, +4Str, +4 Con, extra 5' reach, fast healing 2... And all this is just from class features, no feat slot used.
Merestil Haye 07-02-07, 03:48 PM	The feat goawayugh mentioned is an EPIC feat. It is called Dragon Wildshape and grants you the Exceptional and Supernatural abilities of the Dragon whose form you take.Dragon Wildshape is not an Epic feat. It has the [General] descriptor, and can be taken by a character at 12th level.
goawayugh 07-02-07, 04:12 PM	Ok, I just pulled Draconomicon and ELH off my shelf. Dragon Wild Shape is a feat that appears in BOTH. Obviously the one in the ELH is an Epic feat, but the one in Draconomicon is a general feat. They both do the same exact thing except that the epic feat's size limit is based on your normal animal wild shape size limit, while the general one is Small or Medium only. Print dates: ELH July, 2002. Draconomicon Nov 2003. The feat from Draconomicon wins.
Iskitim 07-02-07, 04:22 PM	Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm not really seeking out anything broken, here. I'm just trying to find a way to make some of the supernatural-ability dependent forms(e.g.: practically every fey form) more interesting. Judging from the response, it doesn't seem like there's any way to do that in the rules as they are. Does anyone have any ideas as to what would be a fair homebrew solution to this?
Jackmojo 07-02-07, 05:10 PM	Take a look at the Psionic Feat Metamorphic Transfer (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#metamorphicTransfer): Metamorphic Transfer [Psionic] You can gain a supernatural ability of a metamorphed form. Prerequisite Wis 13, manifester level 5th. Benefit Each time you change your form, such as through the metamorphosis power, you gain one of the new form’s supernatural abilities, if it has any. You gain only three uses of the metamorphic ability per day, even if the creature into which you metamorph has a higher limit on uses (you are still subject to other restrictions on the use of the ability.) The save DC to resist a supernatural ability gained through Metamorphic Transfer (if it is an attack) is 10 + your Cha modifier + ½ your Hit Dice. No matter how many times you manifest the metamorphosis power on a given day, you can gain only a total of three supernatural ability transfers per day. Normal You cannot use the supernatural abilities of creatures whose form you assume. Special You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time, you can gain one additional supernatural ability. Adapting this for a Master of Many forms could be fairly balanced I think. Jack
Iskitim 07-02-07, 05:32 PM	That's a marvelous idea, Jack. Thanks for suggesting it.
pupilofyah 07-03-07, 12:27 PM	Ok, I just pulled Draconomicon and ELH off my shelf. Dragon Wild Shape is a feat that appears in BOTH. Obviously the one in the ELH is an Epic feat, but the one in Draconomicon is a general feat. They both do the same exact thing except that the epic feat's size limit is based on your normal animal wild shape size limit, while the general one is Small or Medium only. Print dates: ELH July, 2002. Draconomicon Nov 2003. The feat from Draconomicon wins. thank you as just about to do that then i read your post. tarkin gets on my nerves by barking his veiw points in here and telling everyone how wrong they with out actually reading the rules or questions being asked first.