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| Orcy The Green Wonder05-23-06, 03:13 AM | Welcome all to the Foundation of Battle, the Champions of Battle come to gather here, where we may discuss what we love the most. Those of you with a martial soul, and those who enjoy combat, come and speak. This is a gathering place for those who have dedicated their lives to combat. Weilders of sword and shield, hammer, spear, axe, and any other weapons are invited to come forth. Speak your mind as you wish, this place is open to all of those who wish to seek it out. Here we will discuss tactics to win a battle, and various ways to counter those very tactics we've developed. While it is good to know the abilities one can bring forth and use, it is also good to know one's limits. If you wish to be counted amongst the Champions of the Arena, speak thy name and thy title. Your founder is Orcy the Green Wonder, Lord of the Arena. He has watched over countless battles, and has judged countless combats. He has seen many tactics. Victory and Defeat are things that he knows well, witnessing and feeling both. Orcy invites you to join him here in the hall of Champions. Come, the seats are open and awaiting you. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt, "The Man In The Arena," 1910 Members: Orcy the Green Wonder, Lord of the Arena Thasis Kobold_Ur_Priest swordspell_mage (Anir Ruali, Ki Master of the Arena) **NOTE** This is not a "guild war" foundation. It is intended to be a guild like those of old. Come and post your combat creations. Ask questions if you have them, we're here to help you, give you suggestions, and speak on any questions or concerns about combat you have. |
| thasis05-23-06, 10:05 AM | Hello Orcy. It is good to see you return, especialy in a time of such need. I am willing to be a member here. I might even have something to contribute :D |
| Orcy The Green Wonder05-23-06, 05:26 PM | Orcy would like to set forth a challenge for any interested parties. As a first act with this foundation, Orcy would like to see the ideas of the most basic tactics. Grappling. The challenge? Orcy would like to see other people's takes on a grappler character. The requirements for this? Post a character that has a grappler build, ECL 10 is what you have to work with. He would just like to see what kind of grapplers you all can come up with, it seems a fitting way to kick off this foundation. If you'd like to post your ideas on how to make a good grappler, give us feats and items, and other such things you believe are needed to do so. |
| thasis05-23-06, 05:54 PM | Mmm... grappiling... this has gave Thasis some inspiration for a Prc and possibly a slew of feats *goes off to Thasis's workshop* |
| jagggar05-23-06, 06:28 PM | We don't have to know what we're doing, do we? And what ability scores? |
| Kobold_Ur_Priest05-23-06, 07:21 PM | Im in. And I'll possibly be contributing a nifty little bugger.... |
| Zombomaniac05-23-06, 08:51 PM | I'll see what I can do to help. :) |
| jagggar05-23-06, 10:19 PM | Okay, I decided that I saw nothing that explictly said D&D had to be used. So I'm using d20 Modern (http://www.12tomidnight.com/d20modernsrd/Home.php) and the Urban Arcana Campaign Setting. Powerful races are treated diffrerently in Modern than they are in D&D. The racial HD only provides bonus HP and an attack bonus, not BAB, Saves, Skill Points, or Feats from HD and only the LA is applied to ECL. Ogre (+3 LA) Strong Hero 3/Martial Artist 4 ECL Levels Feats And Other Stuffs Gained 1 OgreLA -- 2 OgreLA -- 3 OgreLA -- 4 StrH 1 SimpleWP, Defensive Martial Arts, ArchaicWP, Brawl (Occ: Criminal) Talent: Melee Smash 5 StrH 2 Combat Martial Arts 6 StrH 3 Improved Grapple, Talent: Improved Melee Smash 7 MArt 1 Living Weapon 1d6 8 MArt 2 Flying Kick 9 MArt 3 Combat Throw, Feat-Undecided 10 MArt 4 Living Weapon 1d8 I used Standard Array STR 24 +7 (14 + 10 racial) DEX 13 +1 (15 - 2 racial) CON 18 +4 (13 + 4 racial + 1 level) INT 8 -1 (12 - 4 racial) WIS 8 -1 ( 8) CHA 6 -2 (10 - 4 racial) Large Giant HD: 4d8+16 (racial bonus HP) 7d8+28 (97 HP average) Init: +1 Speed: 30 ft AC: 20 ranged 21 melee (10 + 1 dex + 2 StrH + 3 MArt + 5 natural - 1 size) BAB/Grapple: +7/+20 * Attacks: Unarmed +17 melee 1d8+9 Full Attack: Unarmed +17/+12 melee 1d8+9 Face/Reach: 10 ft/10 ft Special Attacks: Flying Kick (+4 damage on unamred charge attack) Special Qualties: -- Saves: Fort +7, Ref +6, Will +1 Skills: (required) Jump 3 Ranks Feats: SimpleWP (as D&D), Defensive Martial Arts (+1 AC vs melee attacks), ArchaicWP (as MartialWP), Brawl (+1 to unarmed attacks, 1d6+str nonleathl damage), Combat Martial Arts (as Improved Unarmed Strike but prereq: BAB +1 and unarmed damage is 1d4+STR), Improved Grapple (as D&D), Combat Throw (+2 to grapple and trip checks), Feat-undecided (undecided, see notes) Talents (and other): Melee Smash (+1 melee damage), Improved Melee Smash (+1 melee damage, for a total of +2 damage), Living Weapon (improves unarmed damage similar to a monk). Other notes: I didn't add the +1 to unarmed attacks from Brawl because there is a lot of talk of how Brawl and Combat Martial Arts (CMA) can't be used at the same time. The undecided feat The unarmed damage is actually the amount shown in the Martial Artist class. Assuming that larger Martial Artists deal more damage the way larger monks do, he'll be doing 2d6+9 damage. If the DM is using Modern grapple rules where you don't have to attack your opponent with the light weapon but can attack others with a light ranged weapon, you can take Personal Firearms Proficiency for the undecided feat and use a gun to shoot people you aren't grappling. Assuming modern technology of course The undecided feat can also be Streetfighting (+1d4 damage with an unarmed or light melee attack once per round) assuming it stacks with CMA (since it has brawl as a prereq. His Will is crap. Iron Will would be a nice feat for the undecided one. Too lazy to figure skills out totally. You need Jump 3 Ranks to qualify for Martial Artist. This guy has no equipment. I'm too lazy to calculate his wealth bonus and buy equipment and it would really be easier to give him gold and buy stuff D&D has to offer. Any and all of my math or ideas on how rules work have the possiblity to be wrong *The Ogre gets a +3 racial bonus on attack rolls. I did not add this to the grapple value or BAB but did add it to the attack line. |
| thasis05-23-06, 10:47 PM | This is rather intressting. At that level you could probally wrestle down a dragon :D |
| Orcy The Green Wonder05-23-06, 10:57 PM | Prestiege classes being worked on for grapplers would make Orcy happy. Currently all that he knows right off his head is the Reaping Mauler, which, while having some nice abilities, seems rather... dull at points. By all means, post your PrC here, perhaps even a character idea for Orcy's current little challenge using said PrC. |
| thasis05-23-06, 11:28 PM | I'm slow when creating things, and I post my creations sparodically, so it could apear toomorow or in two weeks (or anywhere in between). |
| Orcy The Green Wonder05-25-06, 11:08 PM | Anyone else have a take on a grappler? Orcy will post his own in a day or two, hes got a lot of work ahead of him this week. Lotsa hours is good, but it leaves Orcy no weekend. |
| thasis05-26-06, 02:58 PM | I'm busy almost all weekand... with the possibilities of Saturday being free... so if I can get something done on Saturday I'll give the grappeler character build a shot. |
| supernerd891605-26-06, 03:39 PM | the most obvious grappler is of course the fighter (not including any class that is made specifically for grappling). however, consider a halfgiant cleric/9 with strength domain. You grapple as a huge creature (+8) if you cast righteous might, and you will probably have a strength of at least 14 (and probably 16 with the racial bonus). Your strength will increase to 18 or 20 with RM. With improved grapple, you get a further +4. With some +1 spellstoring scorpion claws (exotic weapon, +4 grapple , 1d6 damage, or 2d6 for huge, I think, in Sandstorm) and a bevy of touch spells (inflict wounds and the ilk) you start looking like: +6 (BAB) +8 (size) +4 or 5 (strength) +2 (powerhouse, can't remember where I heard of it, but basically add 1 1/2 your strength mod to grapples, I think) +4 (improved grapple) 2d6 (base) +4 or 5 (strength) +3d8 +9 (spellstoring inflict serious wounds) Or 4d8 +9 (inflict critical wounds) so you should have a grapple of 24 or higher, but you lose a lot of feats that can be used on divine casting. Generally I don't like grappling spell slingers. |
| Dyne05-27-06, 05:43 PM | The most obvious choice is a Reaping Mauler. But, since no one else has used that PrC yet, I suppose I can be the first. Orc Fighter 5/Reaping Mauler 5 Str: 22 (17, +1 level, +4 race) Dex: 16 (15, +1 level) Con: 12 Int: 6 (8, -2 race) Wis: 6 (8, -2 race) Cha: 6 (8, -2 race) Feats: Improved Unarmed Strike (1st-level) Power Attack (1st-level Fighter) Two-Weapon Fighting (2nd-level Fighter) Clever Wrestling (3rd-level) Weapon Focus (battleaxe) (4th-level Fighter) Weapon Focus (dagger) (6th-level) Bear Fang (9th-level) Improved Grapple (Reaping Mauler) Mobility (Reaping Mauler) Equipment: Hammerblock Light Armor Last Resort Dagger Attacks: BattleAxe: +15/+10 melee, 1d8+6+whatever damage Last Resort Dagger: +15 melee, 1d4+3+whatever damage Grapple: +22 Synopsis: Run up to opponent, whack him with the axe and dagger. If both hit, immediately start a grapple (via the Bear Fang feat). As you grapple your opponent, you can either stab him with the dagger (at +17 attack, with no -4 for grappling because of Last Resort enchantment), you can knock him unconscious (via the Sleeper Lock ability of the Reaping Mauler), you can instantly kill him (with the Devastating Grapple ability), or you can just slowly crush him (1d3+6 grapple damage). |
| thasis05-27-06, 08:30 PM | Hey, nice to see you again Dyne :) |
| jagggar05-29-06, 03:15 PM | DYNE!!!!! I've got a couple of ideas for arena battles: IncarnumMostly because there seem to be a fair amount of people who would like to use it. Incarnum + Core minimum. Luggage Mix-UpIn short, two levels are selected. Each player makes two characters, one with ECL X with Wealth Y and one with ECL Y with Wealth X. Core minimum. Edit: Okay, more than a couple. . . Complete ClassYeah, no cleric, no fighter, no rogue, no wizard. Core + Complete - Core Classes. My World Is BetterOne character per setting, first come, first serve. Settings could be Faerun, Eberron, Dragonlance . . . I'm sure I'm missing several. . . Core + XPH (only for psionic settings) + a single* Main Campaign Setting book (or its equivlant**). *(The exception would be FRCS which would also use the UPDATES ONLY from Player's Guide to Faerun. Not the updates to Magic of Faerun or any other books, just FRCS updates. (If there are similar settings which used the "let's make them pay more money for the update" strategy, they will also be allowed their updates only.) **(An equivlant would be Dragon 319's update of Dark Sun.) My Universe Is BetterD&D vs d20 Modern vs Star Wars d20 Stick to your own source book(s). Allowed Material Would Need Work My Universe Is Way BetterD&D vs d20 Modern vs d20 Star Wars vs all sorts of 3rd party stuffs (IE Arcana Unearthed, Iron Heros, etc.) Stick to your own source book(s). Allowed Material Would Need Work My Universe Is . . . All Of Them!D&D and d20 Modern and Star Wars d20 Mixed When feats are based on D&D 3.0 mechanics, update to 3.5 as appropriate. Allowed Material Would Need Work I Shall De-Feat YouCharacters gain a feat at 1st level and every odd level after that. Core minimum + Netbook of Feats Gestalt GestaltNormal Gestalt rules. Core minimum. Gestalt Single BuildAll characters pick two classes. Those are their only two classes for gestalt. Core minimum. [Class] GestaltAll characters have one side of gestalt chosen for them by person running battle. The other side can be built as the player wants. Core minimum. I Think It's Broken, MommyBAB and Saves are calculated as if a Fighter 1/Wizard 19//Sorcerer 20 had a +20 BAB. Core minimum. ThreestaltAs normal gestalt, but with three classes instead of two. Core minimum. And I'm sure I have more up here. . . If ya want me to post these at the arena and take them out of here, just say so Orcy. |
| supernerd891605-29-06, 03:21 PM | Speaking of incarnum, there is a very neat chakra called girilon arms. bonuses to grapple, two extra attacks and rend (I think) |
| Dyne06-02-06, 09:26 PM | My Universe Is Better D&D vs d20 Modern vs Star Wars d20 Star Wars d20 sucks. It designers deserve to be beaten to death with copies of their Revised Core Rulebook. It sounds like an awkward idea to mix together several game systems into one battle. If it were D&D vs. SWRPG, would they use HP or the Vitality/Wound Points system? Or a combination (D&D characters have HP, SWRPG characters have VP/WP)? 'Cause D&D characters would beat the :censored: out of Star Wars characters, especially if they scored a Critical Hit (which is like an auto-kill in the Vitality/Wounds system). |
| jagggar06-02-06, 09:54 PM | It's not a completely (and probably not even a well) thought out idea. It's just a rough idea. |
| swordspell_mage06-03-06, 09:20 PM | Can we RP? If so... *You see an Elf run into the room extremley quickly, and he is, oddly, wearing no armor. He does, however, have 4 swords on his body of elven craft, two smaller ones on his waist and two larger ones on his back , along with several belts of shurikens* I am Anir Ruali, or in common, Duskhand Dreamshadow. I prefer my elven name, however. I am a Monk of Corellon Larethian. Most of the monks you see initiate their blows quickly, I do not. I hit in certain "pressure points" and I deal much more damage to the creature. As a Monk, I am trained well in both unarmed and armed (with certain weapons). My monastery, however, taught differently. I trained with the swords of my people (the Elven Thin & Lightblades) instead of the Kama and Siangham. I can harness my ki to blast or become electricity around my hand. I will try my best to show myself to be worthy within this guild. Will you accept my membership? If so, I would like to be known as the Ki Master of the Arena. If not, I just want to join. The electricity is a spin-off of the Fiery Fist feat of PHB II, with the ki blast feat from that book. |
| thasis06-04-06, 09:00 PM | Welcome to this thread. I'm not sure if any RP was going on, but it's definitly a good thing for a guild to get RP going. Though I can't officialy accept you into anothers guild, I'm pretty sure your welcome. |
| swordspell_mage06-04-06, 09:12 PM | IF my dream monk is approved, I'll have that as a character instead. But as of now, plain monk. |
| thasis06-04-06, 09:37 PM | As long as your not using anything to out-of-there it should be fine. |
| swordspell_mage06-05-06, 03:37 PM | You've read it, it's not that out of there. For those of you who haven't, it's here: The Dream Monk (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=9321575#post9321575) :D |
| thasis06-05-06, 08:52 PM | Yah, my initial impression was good. I'll have to go over it again though to rute out noticable problems. |
| swordspell_mage06-05-06, 08:55 PM | The only bad (and it wasn't even critical) response I've gotten so far is a suggestion for a new name. Everyone else says it's balanced. |
| thasis06-05-06, 09:00 PM | Well the Monk thing... it's more Warlockish then monkish. That's my only complaint with the name. |
| swordspell_mage06-05-06, 09:03 PM | I got the name because of the whole connection to the astral plane thing, and astral monk doesn't sound as cool as the dream monk, and astral is sort of like mind, and the "incovations" are called dreamshapes. It was originally called the Eldritch monk, but that isn't as good. |
| Dyne06-05-06, 09:21 PM | Eldritch Fist... that's a lot of damage to be calling up at will.... I suppose it's no worse than a Warlock's Eldritch Blast, though, and it is melee only. |
| swordspell_mage06-05-06, 09:49 PM | And the Warlock's is touch, this one isn't until the 9th level! It might do more damage because of the fist, but that is accounted for because it isn't touch. |
| jagggar06-09-06, 02:39 PM | Does it annoy anyone else that you can't get a really good unarmed combatant without the zen-fu monk when it comes to core? And on a scale of 1 to 10, just how annoyed are you? (10 being the most annoyed) |
| swordspell_mage06-09-06, 11:12 PM | 100,000,000. On a scale of 1 to 10. That is EXTREMELY annoying. |
| Orcy The Green Wonder06-13-06, 02:41 AM | Well, Orcy would have to argue that you can indeed get a good unarmed combatant with core. You don't need to use a Monk... just his belt. Orcy is sorry he hasn't been on in the past week or so, he has been busy... or enthralled would probably be the word, but he was avoiding saying that. Now, indeed we can RP here, Orcy will add you to the list as well. The Green Wonder looks the elf over from his throne. Scratching his chin with his metal arm, Orcy nods to the newcomer. Leaning back he stretches and yawns. "Welcome elf. The name is Orcy the Green Wonder. Orcy is the Master of the Arena. Despite his personal distaste for elves and... their kin, you are welcome here. Orcy has seen elves do some amazing things before, so he knows not ALL of them are bad. Just don't try to put flowers and frilly things all over the place and we'll be fine." |
| jagggar06-13-06, 10:02 AM | Cow patty! How are you supposed to be a non-monk unarmed fighter before getting 13,000 gp? That's 6th level if you spend every copper. That's 8th level if you don't spend more than half. And there's nothing preventing the monk from buying the belt once he's got some spare cash lyin' around. |
| swordspell_mage06-13-06, 10:10 AM | *Anir står†s to speak* I'm not that kind of elf. I'm a ki-manipulating elf. I fight for my living, and train by my sword. |
| Dyne06-13-06, 08:54 PM | Orcy is sorry he hasn't been on in the past week or so, he has been busy... or enthralled would probably be the word, but he was avoiding saying that. Enthralled, eh? You're not another victim of that "War Crack," are ya? Does it annoy anyone else that you can't get a really good unarmed combatant without the zen-fu monk when it comes to core? And on a scale of 1 to 10, just how annoyed are you? (10 being the most annoyed) 000. Unarmed combat doesn't seem to be that popular anyway, people usually prefer to use a sword or an axe or a bow. I'm fine with Monks being the only unarmed-specialist class. |
| Orcy The Green Wonder06-16-06, 11:30 AM | Orcy would have to say that monks being the unarmed combatants does make some sense. How often does a person's fist manage to punch into metal armor if they're not specially trained? The other way would be for someone to be very strong, which is actually represented by the strength modifier being added to damage (thus making their punches hurt more). Orcy was on "War Crack" for a time, yes. But that is not his current captor, his friend stopped paying. Orcy was fine playing for free, but he doesn't have the cash to pay for it himself. Ah well. Orcy still hasn't posted a grappler has he? Well, perhaps the time has passed for that to happen. He really needs to focus his attention sometimes. |
| swordspell_mage06-16-06, 04:02 PM | I agree with Orcy the Green Wonder. |
| Orcy The Green Wonder08-10-06, 05:07 PM | Alright, Orcy is going to give this place a little wake up. He has a few things he'll be posting here regarding the Mountain Top Arena game he has begun. One of these things is going to be a "Crowd Favorite" system for in-game bonuses and the like. He still needs to finish that, but is currently working on NPCs for the arena. |
| Skull_of_Shadow08-10-06, 08:07 PM | Ah... an arena. Maybe I should join up and teach all these punks a lesson like I've done before. I'm rather good in arenas you know. I was undefeated last time I was in one... |
| Dyne08-13-06, 01:43 AM | I was undefeated last time I was in one... You won't be next time around. *Shakes fist threateningly* |
| jagggar08-13-06, 11:18 PM | Tome of Battle The Book of Nine Swords :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: Fighter-types can actually kick ass now!!!! Precious. . . precious. . . Mine. . . There's a great topic on CharOp boards (http://boards.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=678075) about it. It's so pretty. . . Three beautiful classes. Crusader-Sort of like a Paladin but for any alignment from neutral. Random divine bursts of inspiration power their manuvers. Not only is it able to delay damage taken for a round, but it gets bonuses based on the amount of damage they haven't taken yet. (Full BAB) Swordsage-Some people have said this is what they wish the monk or ninja had been. (Mid BAB) Warblade-Um, wow. These guys know how to fight. I really wonder where the designers were when WotC was designing the 3.0 Fighter and where they were when they were deciding it didn't need changing for 3.5. (Full BAB) Maneuvers have been described as magic-like, and to some degree they are. Their descriptions are similar to a spell's with a target and the time it takes to initate the maneuver, but only some from a few of the schools are not extraordinary abilities. Some nice feats in the feat section, including one that improves non-monk unarmed damage as I was complaining about earlier. Nine legacy weapons would be the Nine Swords, but you could just dump the legacy part and have nine artifacts. So purdy. . . Um, yeah, I like it. :P |
| Dyne08-15-06, 07:54 PM | Sounds cool, jag. I might actually have the money to pick myself up a copy. @Orcy: How do we sign up for the Mountain Top Arena game? |
| Orcy The Green Wonder08-15-06, 11:17 PM | Just send Orcy a character and he'll approve it so you can begin posting. |
| jagggar08-15-06, 11:23 PM | I'd say it's one of few, if not the only, book that I've decided to buy just based on what other posters have said. I think everything needed to sign up for the arena is in post 2 (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=9792776&postcount=2). |
| Dyne08-16-06, 10:09 PM | 5th-level... 5th-level.... What character should I make at 5th-level? I'm rather fond of Eldritch Knights, but they are very difficult to make at low levels (Fighter 1/Wizard 4?), they don't really come into their own until higher levels. Then again, making a low-level EK and leveling him up will be more of a challenge. Hmmmm...... |
| Orcy The Green Wonder08-16-06, 10:45 PM | For creation Orcy also suggests coming up with a reason you are participating in the arena. Orcy will be posting up some "character Bios" for the NPC combatants as well. |
| Dyne08-18-06, 07:50 PM | For the purpose of crafting magic items, how many XP will we start with? |
| Orcy The Green Wonder08-19-06, 12:28 AM | Orcy will give you eh... half way to the next level for magic item creation purposes. So that would be 2,500xp for magic item creation. That should be fair. |
| Dyne08-19-06, 10:48 PM | Orcy will give you eh... half way to the next level for magic item creation purposes. So that would be 2,500xp for magic item creation. That should be fair. Sounds good. I'll send in a character sheet when I figure out the stats. I think I'll go with a younger, less-experienced version of myself. |
| jagggar08-20-06, 10:24 PM | Almost done. I've got everything selected and purchased. Now I just gotta clean it all up and finish calculations. Oh, and select a name. :yuck: |
| Skull_of_Shadow08-29-06, 04:50 PM | Come on people, where are all of ya? I wan't me some people to wipe out here. |
| Dyne08-30-06, 06:49 PM | I'm torn. I can't decide whether to make a spellcaster or a warrior. Normally I'd just be both (Eldritch Knight), but at 5th-level, that's pretty much impossible. EDIT: Okay, I have my character made. He'll be an Elf Swashbuckler. EDIT2: I'm ready for a fight. |
| Dyne08-31-06, 07:52 PM | Who's Shaara Rhukaan? It looks like I'll have to beat her to move up the ladder. |
| Orcy The Green Wonder08-31-06, 08:05 PM | That would be Jagggar. Orcy would like to note that because of the ease with which they've been done. He is allowing Arena matches to take place over AIM as well as on the boards. You are allowed one match a day (if Orcy is around to watch it or run it and whatnot). |
| Dyne08-31-06, 08:14 PM | Figured it was jagggar. She seems to be online now, so maybe we can run a quick match. There have been an awful lot of 20's in the matches so far. Many crits, and even an insta-kill. EDIT: Nevermind, jagggar seems to have lost herself again. *Waits patiently while jagggar looks for herself* |
| Dyne09-01-06, 05:28 PM | Dang, Godfrey is tough. I should pick up Improved Disarm when I get the chance. I'm thinking of starting some kind of betting booth in The Pavilion, for betting on Arena fights. What would you guys think of that idea? Also, maybe allow betting on Pazaak and Arm Wrestling competitions. I need some way to convince people to actually come to The Pavilion. |
| Orcy The Green Wonder09-01-06, 05:32 PM | It might work, one thing behind all good public fights and challenges is that theres always some shady character collecting money. |
| Dyne09-01-06, 05:37 PM | It might work, one thing behind all good public fights and challenges is that theres always some shady character collecting money. :shifty: Also, arena fighters could play Pazaak and such to get some extra money between fights. Yes, that should work. |
| Dyne09-02-06, 04:07 PM | Can arena fighters bet on their own match? |
| Orcy The Green Wonder09-02-06, 04:45 PM | Yes, though they can only be on themselves, since betting on their opponent could lead toward them throwing a fight. |
| Dyne09-03-06, 01:03 AM | Yes, though they can only be on themselves, since betting on their opponent could lead toward them throwing a fight. Sounds fair. I added a "Players may not bet against themselves" clause (well, more like a sentence). Sir Godfrey kicked my ass again. That bugger scored a crit on me! :( I lost a 100 gp bet and a potion of cure moderate wounds on that fight. That knight is one tough cookie, but I guess I'll try to beat him again tomorrow. Just keep swinging and hope for crits. |
| turalisj09-03-06, 10:10 AM | Hm... I might make a monk for the arena. Any restrictions on books? I'm thinking a goliath monk would beat the puny knight. |
| Orcy The Green Wonder09-03-06, 02:24 PM | Orcy's restrictions are listed in post 2 at the arena. He doesn't really restrict any books but he does reserve the right to not-allow feats or other such things that he believes are overpowered. |
| Dyne09-06-06, 10:34 PM | Orcy, you never PMed my reward for beating Shimaraux. |
| Dyne09-11-06, 01:10 AM | If you guys don't mind, I'm going to start posting my ideas for "mass combat rules" here (this is the Foundation of Battle, afterall). I will post them up as they come to me, but I'll archive all the rules in this post. Feel free to comment them. Mass Combat Provided by Dyne Units In the mass combat rules, characters are organized into units of 20 men. Units function as their own entity, as far as dealing with movement, attacks, taking damage, etc. Attacks When making a ranged attack, measure from the center of the attacking unit to the center of the target unit. I order to make a melee attack, the unit must share the same space as the target unit. Make a single attack roll for the unit, adding on its attack bonus. The number of attacks that hit depend on how high the attack roll is compared to the target's AC: Attack # of Hits AC +10 20 Hits AC +9 19 Hits AC +8 18 Hits AC +7 17 Hits AC +6 16 Hits AC +5 15 Hits AC +4 14 Hits AC +3 13 Hits AC +2 12 Hits AC +1 11 Hits = AC 10 Hits AC -1 9 Hits AC -2 8 Hits AC -3 7 Hits AC -4 6 Hits AC -5 5 Hits AC -6 4 Hits AC -7 3 Hits AC -8 2 Hits AC -9 1 Hit AC -10 0 Hits If an attack is a critical threat, you will roll on the above table again. For weapons with a x2 multiplier, roll one additional time; for weapons with a x3 multiplier, roll two additional times; for weapons with a x4 multiplier, roll three additional times. Once you have determined the number of attacks that hit, roll damage for each attack. |
| premier66610-05-06, 08:31 PM | *Pops outa nowhere* humm... How you're gonna roll for each attack? you mean, for all 20 hits? *goes back into hiding* |
| jagggar01-02-07, 02:58 PM | So I was at Half Price Books cause they had a 20% off sale and I found something I just couldn't resist. . . I got addicted to WWE last year and may have ranted to a couple of you about wanting to make something kind of wrestling style. (I know I at least talked to Orcy about having fighters interrupting matches or ambushing people back stage :P ) Anyway, it's called Know Your Role: World Wrestling Entertaintment Roleplaying Game. The main thing that got my attention about it, even before seeing that it was d20 was that they described it as being "narrative combat" Know Your Role isn't a blow-by-blow simulator; it's a game of "competitive narration." As such, there's no real need to mess with rules for each and every maneuver your charcter preforms in the ring. Without confusing you with a bunch of rules from the get-go, the core combat system revolves around each opponent choosing (or creating on the fly) a primary move he is going to attempt to use. The players then roll the dice. The player with the highest roll describes the action and how the move plays out. The player describes a few minor moves to the mix as well, just to add color and fluidity to the sequence. These minor moves don't do extra damage; they just make things a bit more interesting. After all, nobody cares how well the side headlock and Irish whip were pulled off. They're more interested in that devistating clothesline that almost took somebody's head off! This means that you get to control the actions of your opponent's Superstar, but you shouldn't abuse this privilage, becasue your opponent will be controlling your Superstar the next time he gets the higher roll. So keep that in mind.Like it says, combat is now opposed rolls. No more needing to hit your target's AC! But how does that work out? If you've got a character with +10 BAB vs someone with +20 BAb, the +20 Bab is always going to win, right? Not quite. There's, of course, the dice factor, but you sacrifice the bonus on your attack (called a maneuver check) in order to deal more damage or to knockdown or stun your opponent. You've also got the option to do less damage in order to garner a bigger bonus on your maneuver check. That's more or less combat. Whoever wins the check deals damage to their opponent. Speaking of which, that's another fair change. Your HP, or Endurance, is your Con score x level. (In addition to Endurance being how much damage you can take, some maneuvers allow you to burn endurance to get a bonus on them.) There's also Trauma which equals your Con score, but unlike VP/WP you don't take penalties once you've taken a Traumatic hit. Instead, you take a -1 penalty to all checks for every 20 points damage you've taken. That represents the wrestlers wearing down as the match continues. |