Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-08-06, 07:53 AM	This a Guild i make for all those True Dragon fan, and by Dragon i mean those that grow depending on age, not those nasty weakling of Wyvern.. This Guild will produce an Online Player Guide to Dragon (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=8293088#post8293088) (OPGD), made by Player for Player. Any person who ask will be added to Guild quickly. In addition, you will get a Grade, from Wyrmling to Wyrm, depending on how you help this guide and how you contribute to it. Only the Leader may be Archdragon The rank are as Follow: Sorcerer (New Helper) Dragon Disciple (Helper) Half-Dragon (Old Helper) Wyrmling (New Member) VeryYoung-Juvenile (Member) YoungAdult-MatureAdult (Old Member) Old-VeryOld (High Member) Wyrm (Sub-Leader) Greatwyrm (Second Leader) Archdragon (Leader) Member Skirtz the Lizardmen (Archdragon) The Cube (Very Young) Darth Sephiroth (Very Young) Talon of Tiamat (Very Young) Vorpal Tribble (Dragon Disciple) Flayer (Dragon Disciple) Larry the Titan (Sorcerer) Ssargoth (Sorcerer) BANNED PEOPLE: Endymion [Steel, Mist and Mercury Dragon: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20031226a http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20040328ahttp://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20031226a
The_cube 01-08-06, 01:16 PM	Im interresed to join the group. Dont Forget the Sand Dragon, from Monster of Faerun!!!
Flayer 01-08-06, 01:41 PM	force and prismatic dragons are the epic dragons
Flayer 01-08-06, 01:43 PM	and what about the hellfire wyrm
Kothardarastrix 01-08-06, 06:33 PM	Hellfire Wyrms aren't true dragons, in that they do not grow stronger with age. Also it's not Carcerian, it's Tarterian.
The Vorpal Tribble 01-08-06, 07:32 PM	I don't want to be a member as I think their are waaay too many dragons already, but I'll aid you with your list. It helps prove my point ;) Sand dragon (full age progession) - Sandstorm, p. 152 http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sand_gallery/87620.jpg
Darth Sephiroth 01-09-06, 02:06 PM	I'm in, I've played a few Radiant dragons so I'm definately trying for that...
The Vorpal Tribble 01-09-06, 02:43 PM	Then there is their lesser kin: Ambush Drake Dracotaur Dragon Eel Dragonnel Dragon Turtle Elemental Drake - Air - Earth - Fire - Ice - Magma - Ooze - Smoke - Water Faerie Dragon Felldrake Half-Dragon Hellfire Wyrm Landwyrms - Desert - Forest - Hill - Jungle - Mountain - Plains - Swamp - Tundra - Underdark Linnorms Oceanus Dragon Pseudo Dragon Rage Drake Sea Drake Shadow Dragon Spiked Felldrake Ssvaklor Storm Drake Sunwyrm Wyvern
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-09-06, 04:43 PM	Well, im tryng to do REAL dragon first!!! Those weaker dragon are gonna come later.. But, since im feelin good, ill add Them!!!
TalonofTiamat 01-09-06, 05:00 PM	I'm in. Don't forget about the other Chromatics. The Orange, Purple, and Yellow dragons from Dragon magazine issues 65 and 248. Also, can you provide a link for the Mercury and Steel dragons?
The Vorpal Tribble 01-09-06, 05:01 PM	The Oceanus and Shadow dragons are full dragons. More true dragons: Adamantine Arboreal And I think thats it. The books I don't have I'm pretty certain have no monsters in them, except for perhaps Heroes of Horror.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-09-06, 05:06 PM	i think i added these already thx for the other dragon by the way, you are a helper, so thats why you are on the list. As you can see, your higest rank as a Non-Member is Half-Dragon.. if u continu to help and pass the limit of half-dragon, you will be considered a member!!! LOL
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-09-06, 05:10 PM	Where did u find the Adamantine and Arboreal?
The Vorpal Tribble 01-09-06, 05:19 PM	Adamantine and Arboreal are from Dragon Magazine #321 I believe. Edit: Hrmmm, apparently it also had a number more, including the Axial, Beast and Concordant dragons.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-09-06, 05:24 PM	Okay, thx Are you sure you dont want to be a Member?
The Vorpal Tribble 01-09-06, 05:28 PM	I'm a magical beast, not a winged snake! How about just give me the honorific of 'Dragon Hunter' ;)
larry_the_titan 01-09-06, 06:02 PM	You guys missed one Spiretop Dragon. It is in Sharn: City of Towers not sure if it is a true dragon or what. Also If you are going to list the subtypes of Drakes and Wryms you might as well list the Felldrakes subtypes as well: Crested-MM2 Spitting-MM2 Horned-MM2 Spiked-Draconomicon Dont know if there are other types those are all I have in my Books. If you are going to list all of the Dragon Types you also might want list the Dragon Gods as well. Sorry but I dont have the whole list but I would like to know where the list is when you find it.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-09-06, 06:31 PM	OK, if u guys are gonna say important stuff 9on this tread, you better say if you want to be an Helper or a Member!!!
Edymnion 01-09-06, 06:38 PM	Just a nitpick, but guild stuff like this goes in the Guild House Forum, its considered off topic anywhere on the boards but there.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-09-06, 07:15 PM	I dint know that it existed... :blink: Anyway, i dont know how to move a topic so ill just stay here!!!
Darth Sephiroth 01-09-06, 09:47 PM	For those who's DM's won't let you play true dragons or are starting at rather low levels and don't mind an elven type draconic creature, I just created a race for it. Dracari (Dragon Elves) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=566101) I'm using them in my campaign as a remnant of a once mighty empire ruled by dragons and elves but that was thousands of years ago long before even the oldest of the species was born.
Mith_The_Godling 01-09-06, 11:23 PM	What about the Deep Drake?
Flayer 01-10-06, 12:39 AM	how about dragons with templates nothing really out of this world just fiendish celestial or advanced dragon and how do you become a member
Demonfey 01-10-06, 01:04 AM	Well, if you are going to join the IFWG: 1: declare intent and desired land. 2: make a character on the Player Character Thread 4. Nowhere else, PLEASE. 3: make an intro, decide what your goal is, and get into the politics of the area (best ally would be the dragon foundation) As a side note, could someone send me info on the more obscure chromatics, please?
redhase 01-10-06, 01:10 AM	What about Hell Dragons, there a really nice bread. part shadow, red, black dragon. Hell Dragons should be on you rlist.
The Vorpal Tribble 01-10-06, 10:21 AM	What about the Deep Drake? Where is it from? how about dragons with templates Umm, what about them? Well, if you are going to join the IFWG: Heh, I doubt skritz even knows this has been moved here yet. Hell Dragons should be on your list. And where are they from? -=-=-=-=-=- Btw, here are the couple dragons I've made: Dragon Uncarnate (http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=308274&origin=) (made this a long, looong time ago, so if you find anything inconsistent, just let me know) Barkstrone (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5462339&postcount=11)
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-10-06, 02:55 PM	I guess they moved this tread, since the color changed..(LOL) :D Okay, all the dragon you listed are gonna need 2 be checked. if you want to be member, tell mee. Oh, and Dragon whit the Celestial template does not count!! (other template too)
TalonofTiamat 01-10-06, 05:13 PM	I've never been in a guild before. What do you do? How do you advance in the guild? Are there any perks? Do any of the other members live around where I do? Also, Demonfey, what kind of information are you looking for?
larry_the_titan 01-10-06, 06:26 PM	OK, if u guys are gonna say important stuff 9on this tread, you better say if you want to be an Helper or a Member!!! Helper though I would be a member but I am more of the helpful type anyway. On the other hand if any of you could point me in the direction of Draconic humanoid ECL0 I would gladly devote my skills to you. But I dont want Kobolds. I need something either fast or strong and can wield weapons. I just found the Draconic Gods, Page 31 of the Draconomicon, I wonder how I missed that. But there is still a problem there is no detail of what kind of dragons they are besides being Dragon Gods. Does anyone know where there true stats might be or did WotC only make Bahamut and Tiamat builds. They might have some new information in Races of Dragon but I have not bought a copy of that let. Oh, and Thx for adding that Felldrake subtypes I always thought that they would make Cool mounts or even use them as a character but not sure how. But I guess that is something for another time.
Sssargoth 01-10-06, 06:55 PM	I just found the Draconic Gods, Page 31 of the Draconomicon, I wonder how I missed that. But there is still a problem there is no detail of what kind of dragons they are besides being Dragon Gods. Does anyone know where there true stats might be or did WotC only make Bahamut and Tiamat builds. I know that Bahamut and Tiamat are statted out in Deities and Demigods but Im not sure about the rest. They might be in the Manual of the Planes. The aspects of the dragon gods are in the Miniatures Handbook. I hope that helps. I have a template to add to your list up there. The link is in my sig, and its not hard to find.
TalonofTiamat 01-10-06, 10:46 PM	Bahamut and Tiamat (all hail Tiamat!) are the only true Dragon deities stated for 3.0/5. They don't give a type of dragon for them because they're unique. Seriously, what kind of dragon has five heads? I've seen several depictions of Tiamat, all of which look pretty much the same. I've seen a couple of depictions of Bahamut, all of which look different (the one from complete divine sucks). I've never seen depictions for the others, or even mentions of them. While I'm on the subject of Dragon deities, I think it's bull that Tiamat and Bahamut are mere lesser deities and Io, the creator of dragon kind, is only intermediate. Almost all of the other creator deities are greater. Bull plop I say! :rant:
Sssargoth 01-10-06, 10:52 PM	Bahamut is a Platinum dragon, and Tiamat is the true chromatic dragon. Hmm... someone should create a Platinum dragon that isnt Bahamut.
Demonfey 01-11-06, 02:03 AM	Didn't really think about this post at 2AM.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-11-06, 10:04 AM	I think deity should be listed in another section..
larry_the_titan 01-11-06, 10:26 AM	The aspects of the dragon gods are in the Miniatures Handbook. I hope that helps. Hmm, MiniHandbook I was wondering if there was a reason to buy it. @Talon, you are right they need to reorder the Dragon Gods. I think I might build a Cleric who is a follower of Io.
TalonofTiamat 01-16-06, 03:30 PM	I've been wondering this for a little while: Why do chromatics and metalics hate each other so much?
larry_the_titan 01-17-06, 05:00 AM	I've been wondering this for a little while: Why do chromatics and metalics hate each other so much? I think it has something to do with good vs evil. Chromatics are follower of Tiamat and Metalics follow Bahamut.
Tenzhi 01-17-06, 07:20 AM	You seem to be missing the Topaz dragon, which is one of the five standard gem dragons. I'm not sure where Obsidian came from. The Elf-Bane is a draconic deity of sorts. But He also does not join guilds.
Sssargoth 01-17-06, 11:39 AM	I just noticed the ranking system for the members here, and unless the WizOs changed the rules on me, ranks arent allowed. Each member can make a customized title within a guild though. Go to the Councle of Archmages, or Psionics foundation for an example of what I mean. Love, Your favorite draconic GM. :dragon: P.S.: I never asked to join this guild. I may contribute, but I never wanted to be a member.
TalonofTiamat 01-17-06, 02:30 PM	I think it has something to do with good vs evil. Chromatics are follower of Tiamat and Metalics follow Bahamut. It seems to me they hate each other on a much deeper level than simply good vs. evil. Good and evil can work together to acomplish a mutually beneficial goal, whereas chromatics and metalics will NEVER work together.
larry_the_titan 01-17-06, 07:26 PM	There nothing keeping them from working together but there is something that keeps them from getting along. It is best to think of them like the relationship between elves and orcs or elves and dwaves or orcs and anything but Goblinoids. It may not be like good vs evil more like good lawful vs evil chaotic. They are at the far ends of the spectrums from each other let they are equals. And there is nothing keeping you from makeing a half-red dragon/ silver dragon. I would like to know what the top dragon is in the guilds view is. Does anyone have a favorite dragonkin? My favorite dragon is the chaos dragon and dragonkin is horned felldrake this is at least till I get races of dragon in the next week. Anyone care to add there to coppers.
Tenzhi 01-17-06, 08:48 PM	Good and evil can work together to acomplish a mutually beneficial goal, whereas chromatics and metalics will NEVER work together. You must be unfamiliar with the Council of Wyrms setting.
TalonofTiamat 01-19-06, 12:41 PM	You must be unfamiliar with the Council of Wyrms setting. Never heard of it. I could be mistaken, but I do recall reading something somewhere about them never working together. I'm assuming they hate each other because Tiamat (woo!) and Bahamut hate each other. Anyone know why? Also: Favorite Dragon: Blue Dragon Favorite Dragonkin: Hellfire Wyrm
larry_the_titan 01-20-06, 02:30 PM	@Talon, You might want to pick up Races of Dragon, ASAP, there is a myth in there that should tell you why but I am sorry to say I have just bacame a fan of Bahamut becuase of the Dragonborn race. You might like the Spellscales more but I havent read that far let. I guess both of these races need added to the list in the front but has anyone heard from the one who started this group. Edit @Talon, now that I have read about the Spellscales I am not that it fits you do to the fact I dont know you. For all I know you might be a Kobold.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-20-06, 02:58 PM	Sorry in dint Posted in since..well..since a DAMN long time... I had had a lot of stuff to do at home so i could not work on this tread since then. I am very Sorry... I will add the Dragonborn and the Spellscale to a new Section, Race. This will include all Playable Dragon-Like Race. I think Tiamat hate Bahamut because she Jaleous or somthing ( cant remeber why... ) I know that was the case whit Thakisis and Paladine, however. Moral conflict ( Alignement ) might also be the cause...
TalonofTiamat 01-20-06, 11:47 PM	@Talon, You might want to pick up Races of Dragon, ASAP, there is a myth in there that should tell you why but I am sorry to say I have just bacame a fan of Bahamut becuase of the Dragonborn race. You might like the Spellscales more but I havent read that far let. I guess both of these races need added to the list in the front but has anyone heard from the one who started this group. Edit @Talon, now that I have read about the Spellscales I am not that it fits you do to the fact I dont know you. For all I know you might be a Kobold. I just picked up Races of the Dragon. I was very disappointed, but that's another thread. I read that legend about Bahamut and Tiamat and it makes good sense. I wish they had included more legends of the sort. It also would have been nice if Tiamat had gotten her own race of lackies. Don't apologize for liking something. It's your opinion and your entitled to it. The dragonborn do look pretty cool.
Tenzhi 01-21-06, 01:14 AM	Council of Wyrms is a setting ruled by dragons. An island chain called the Io's Blood Isles. It is a draconic society loosely ruled over by a council with representatives of each of the 15 true dragons (5 chromatic, 5 metallic, and 5 gem - the setting also defined "true dragons" and some dragons that seemed to be part of these three selections fell outside the definition). It and Planescape are two of my favourite 2nd Edition boxed sets. If I had my druthers, all that worthless latter half of the Draconomicon that is filled with statted out dragons would've had something more useful in it such as a refurbished Io's Blood Isles setting.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-21-06, 12:21 PM	I think our OPGD Race section is complete for now, so ill begin posting him
TalonofTiamat 01-21-06, 02:03 PM	Council of Wyrms is a setting ruled by dragons. An island chain called the Io's Blood Isles. It is a draconic society loosely ruled over by a council with representatives of each of the 15 true dragons (5 chromatic, 5 metallic, and 5 gem - the setting also defined "true dragons" and some dragons that seemed to be part of these three selections fell outside the definition). I hate finding out an idea I came up with on my own has been done before :mad:
larry_the_titan 01-21-06, 03:26 PM	I hate finding out an idea I came up with on my own has been done before :mad: Sorry but I think it has all been done before. I mean how many times have you had a really great idea then find out someone else has been working on the same idea for like 2 yrs. It happens to the best of us way to often.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-22-06, 03:33 PM	The New OPGD will be put in the D&D General Section, and will be more updated ( i made some error )
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-22-06, 06:48 PM	If you want more Dragon deity, check Draconomicon OR the OPGD, which is in my sig.
gabrion 01-22-06, 07:02 PM	Removed
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-22-06, 07:32 PM	I know, but my nerve Busted out!!! Ill just change this post... Sorry :weep:
Darth Sephiroth 01-22-06, 07:57 PM	I've been working on the Kobolds for my setting because a lot of things don't work. In it they are descendants of footsoldiers the Dragons and Elves modified from another race (Probably the original Kobolds) and they are a lot closer to dragons than the normal ones are.
Skritz_the_Lizardmen 01-23-06, 03:02 PM	Mmmm.not bad idea..Koblod Infantry..sound good!!! Hey, could someone take AT LEAST a small look on the OPGD :weep:
Oldschool_rpg 02-03-06, 08:52 PM	Im, in!!! Oh, by the way Skrint, yourt OPGD suck... Hehehe..sorry... Nah...just try to improve it!!!