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thasis 06-05-04, 12:19 PM	It's alot of work with being a guildmaster at 2 guilds but I don't think another one is going to hurt. Since I own the Guild of Ultimate Evil I thought I would make a guild that is oposite to my usual intrest. Maybe I'll learn something. Basically we discuss anything that has a good aligned or generally good deeds. This guild is going to be similair to my Guild of Ultimate Evil in set up and origanization except that it is based of Good not evil. Any topic ideas?
Silmarien Aldalome 06-07-04, 11:46 PM	Now you're onto it. Foundation Threadkeepers might want to think about setting up "opposing" poles for some combo purpose. Thasis - where would you like to begin?
Ouroboros 06-11-04, 12:19 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Thasis - where would you like to begin? He lost intressed already ? What about revenge? How far could a good pc go before he/she becomes evil? An evil creature does pain because he/she likes it. But if the good creature wants payback and hits the evil creature where he/she was struck by it. Does it make the so called good creature more evil then the evil creature the good creature knows how mutch it hurts doesn't he/she
Graz'zt, Prince of Shadow 06-12-04, 01:56 PM	I think it depends on the severity of the revenge. If you try to kill me and I arrest/kill you* you to protect others from you, that's Good. If you try to kill me and I kill you out of revenge, that's Neutral. If you try to kill me and I kill you, your wife, your kids, your maid, and your pet fish Steve, that's Evil. * - only if there's no other option
Silmarien Aldalome 06-12-04, 09:54 PM	G'day Graz'zt - great to see you and welcome. Ditto Ouroborus. I think you've both touched on a couple of ideas: 1. Empathy and its links to alignment 2. The vengeance motive and ditto. 3. The infliction of pain. In many mythologies, the vengeance motive is cast as an evil Lore. Forgotten Realms actually personifies Shar, as a dark goddess who fosters the vengeance motive in good people after a tragedy. This 'feeding' of malice is a lure to trick people into changing alignment. I believe alginment changes can be either sudden, or slow and protracted. I also believe that Redemption is always possible in Evil players. And that Evil (at the process level) is partly a bunch of mental defences, that protect the inner psyche from hurt, shame, and guilt. Mind though - the different uses of similar psychic defences can be used by Good folk. For example self-defence requires the application of force and mentally, one might be expected to suffer guilt and shame afterwards, even if the act is supposedly a "just" act within standards of law and goodness. Empathy - to "know what the other feels" - is a faculty that is distorted, underused and rusty in the Evils. In Good alignments, Empathy fosters the prevention of harm. Just some thoughts stav
Tenzhi 06-13-04, 01:14 AM	There's a fine line between Vengeance and Justice... I am that line. Try to cross me either way and there'll be more than hell to pay. Hey, that last bit rhymed.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-13-04, 01:20 AM	...verily Good (Bad) Elf-Bane, thou speaketh sooth. For - retribution may breed retribution as violence begets violence. Methinks that the difference between Restitution and Retribution is worth pondering. And the distinction between Restorative Justice and Retributive Justice is also well worth exploring.
Tenzhi 06-13-04, 01:38 AM	Indeed. Just Retribution should be somewhat consensual - the party in the wrong must acknowledge that they're in the wrong and accept the punitive action. If such isn't the case, then the party who gets punished will feel wronged and seek retribution - and thus wars get started between 'Good' countries (or 'Neutral' countries). Evil parties rarely acknowledge that they are wrong or deserving of punitive action (because, from an Evil point of view their actions seem proper), and thus retribution sought against them will nearly always lead to retribution from them. Now, occasionally, Retribution may seem like a just course of action, but when all sides are considered carefully it turns out that it's not just. A 'Good' entity should (but doesn't always) carefully consider all sides so as not to pursue such "selfish" retribution. Neutral entities may pursue such retribution, especially if it immediately benefits them and those they care about without unduly harming others. Evil entities will almost always pursue selfish retribution without caring who it harms. Pardon me if I ramble on a bit. ;)
Silmarien Aldalome 06-13-04, 01:49 AM	Interesting comments. One could also say that the wish/need to punish (in the first place) - instead of restore - is worth pondering. I'd also add the party who has enacted harm should atone, seek redemption or seek to install a restorative remedy. This isn't the same as saying that said party should be punished. The former puts the emphasis on the recipient of harm, the latter purports that by punishing the harm-doer, that the harmed person will be restored. In the first model (restorative justice), the "punishment" is guilt, shame, and the pain required (by the wrong-doers) to enact redemption. The focus is more on healing, rather than punitive methods. The despatch of punishment by "good and righteous" is a very slippery slope. regards stav
thasis 06-14-04, 08:41 PM	I HAVE NO LOST INTREST!!! I was just busy. I couldn't access the whole boards. Now what are you disscusing?
Ouroboros 06-15-04, 12:02 PM	Uh how good pc's can do bad thinks ;)
De Batavier 06-15-04, 01:49 PM	And there's the good as in turning the other cheek. I think people can do horrific things in the name of good. The Paladin good well be on a crusade to rid the world of nonbelievers. Pure good would be, IMO, turning the other cheek and never do harm to others. The dilemma you than face is how to protect others. The only way i can envision is to put yourself in harmsway, but not using violence yourself. I think it would be very difficult to play a pure good character in most D&D campaigns. Good but not pure, in the sense meaning you may use violence to protect yourself and others, is more playable.
thasis 06-15-04, 05:51 PM	In real life a cleric/priest-like figure tried to convert the Mayans into Christians buy burning books of ancient history (only 3 or 4 exsist today out of hundreds). He was a Lawful, Good priest in D&D terms but that was a Chaotic Evil act in my opinion. What do you think?
Silmarien Aldalome 06-15-04, 06:18 PM	I think people can do horrific things in the name of good. Well said. I'd have to concur. So - what's going on when this happens? What are the processes at work? I'd offer that the investment into monolithic belief systems - at the expence of pluralism and diversity, leads to wars over ideals about "goodness". Thus, the Paladin that ravages, and burns in the name of "good" is maybe misguided, by some castings of lore. stav
De Batavier 06-15-04, 07:09 PM	How relative is good. My paladin finds followers of faith X evil, because they are driving people from his faith. While followers of faith X find the Paladin evil because he is preventing them to convert people to their, the tue, faith. Both faiths believe they are saving the people from a faith worse than death, eternal damnation. But if the intent of a person defines good, your on a sliding scale. If believing your doing the right thing makes it right everything you do can be excused. @thasis: I don't think the priest is chaotic evil. First he is following his strict code of conduct, thus lawfull. His act though very damaging to the Mayan culture, was in his vision a good deed. His intent was good. I agree that doesn't make burning the books pure good, but not necceraily evil. In his opinion he made the moral right choice. He didn't burn those books to hurt the Mayans, but to safe them. If you know that someone is going to hurt (in your opinion) themselfs and you try to prevent that, even if that person doesn't want your help, i don't believe that makes your evil. Than again from that persons point of view you are. It is the same with the bomber pilots (allied from my point of view)in WWII. The killed people in their bombings that were no realistic thread. The intent was to kill them. But the goal was to end the war. A pure good person, IMO, would refuse to fight in a war. But would help people that get hurt. Even then there is a grey area. For instance could that person work in intellegence and be responsible for givinhg information that would lead to a bombing raid. So i think a pure good person could not even be infolved in such a way. He could only work as a medic. Or as a human shield to protect others. Therefor i believe there are only a handfull of people who are truly pure good now or in history.
anglar 06-15-04, 09:34 PM	Some of you know my story well, but for those who don't. A family of vampires killed my first wife and parents. I'll get to their true reason later. I tracked them down and killed them in their home. For the next year, the remaining members of Muerte's family hunted me. I killed them. It was then that I found out they were acting under the directions of Drow. I tracked down that city. I learned there that it all was caused because my grandfather had hundreds of years earlier foiled a sacrafice to Lloth. I destroyed the city. I don't feel bad about any of the things I've done. Some can call it justice. Others can call it retribution or revenge. Good. Evil. Matters of perspective to me.
Tenzhi 06-15-04, 09:46 PM	Not everything done in the name of Good is, in fact, good. Indeed, one of Evil's favourite schemes is to masquerade as Good. Disputes over faith are not intrinsically good or evil any more than disputes over sports teams. Good people should (but don't always) know better than to let such petty squabbles escalate into violence - Paladins should definitely remain above such squabbles so it's a good thing that they're not faith-based.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-15-04, 10:46 PM	We got here: 1. A discussion about the differences between retributive justice and restorative justice. 2. A discussion about morality. 3. A discussion about good and evil. Squabbles over faiths - I agree, neither good nor evil. I add that the core concept of harm forms a cetral anchor for me when thinking about "good". Are you doing any harm? If 'yes plus awareness' - that's gettin' into murky waters. If 'yes' minus awareness' - that's about the gettin' of wisdom. Do you know the difference between personal freedom and freedom at another's expence? Do you feel entitled to take other's freedom? These ones hint at the dark side of selfishness (c.f. "ethical selfishness" - to feel good for being kind). When you take vengeance - does it make you feel better? For how long? Is there a way to restore without getting even? The Vampire analogy is a pretty exceptional case. This one involve malevolent spirits without compassion. Necessarily, this requires their eradication. Matters about the human heart aren't so clear. One can have "vampiric moments" (be an energy drainer) but can be a compassionate person in other moments. Get my drift here - humans are complex things comprised of many Aspects. regards stav
anglar 06-16-04, 12:28 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome The Vampire analogy is a pretty exceptional case. This one involve malevolent spirits without compassion. Necessarily, this requires their eradication. Matters about the human heart aren't so clear. One can have "vampiric moments" (be an energy drainer) but can be a compassionate person in other moments. Get my drift here - humans are complex things comprised of many Aspects. regards stav You would be surprised how mother-like lady Gothicca reacted to seeing her children destroyed. I believe she did care about them. If we were to discover that deer and sow were sentient beings, would we stop feeding on them?
Tenzhi 06-16-04, 01:16 AM	Originally posted by anglar If we were to discover that deer and sow were sentient beings, would we stop feeding on them? Sentience is just a condition we ascribe to ourselves to make us feel superior to all the other animals.
De Batavier 06-16-04, 07:16 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Not everything done in the name of Good is, in fact, good. Indeed, one of Evil's favourite schemes is to masquerade as Good. Disputes over faith are not intrinsically good or evil any more than disputes over sports teams. Good people should (but don't always) know better than to let such petty squabbles escalate into violence - Paladins should definitely remain above such squabbles so it's a good thing that they're not faith-based. Well if you have to masquerade to be good, that assumes you are aware that you are indeed an evil person. I agree about the diputes over faiths are not intrinsically good or evil for an outsider, like myself. But for those people with those faiths it will feel like that. Ofcourse faiths that envision themself as evil are an other matter entirely. Oh missed that part about the paladins, assumed because their powers are described as divine the must associate with gods, but see that was a wrong assumption.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-16-04, 05:51 PM	If we were to discover that deer and sow were sentient beings, would we stop feeding on them? Sentience is just a condition we ascribe to ourselves to make us feel superior to all the other animals. Both of the above are a part of the elephant. Reverence for life (whether the being is sentient or not) is arguable a "good" thing. And empathy for the animal's suffering requires understanding that the animal is conscious. Well if you have to masquerade to be good, that assumes you are aware that you are indeed an evil person. This is very interesting. Does it follow that impression-management strategies are a "degree" of evil? Are there "degrees" of goodness or not? regards stav
De Batavier 06-16-04, 06:23 PM	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well if you have to masquerade to be good, that assumes you are aware that you are indeed an evil person. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Silmarien Aldalome This is very interesting. Does it follow that impression-management strategies are a "degree" of evil? Are there "degrees" of goodness or not? I think there are scales. You have people that just spend their lives and trying to do the good thing. And you have people who go and search people that need their help and provide aid. An other point is can good be only passive. Doning no harm to others, but not actively intevening when harm is done. That last bit is ofcourse a hole range of possible situations. Harm being done right in front of you Or somewhere on the globe. Do you have to seek out "Evildoers" to be good or can you just go araound minding your own buisness?
Tenzhi 06-16-04, 07:29 PM	Originally posted by De Batavier Well if you have to masquerade to be good, that assumes you are aware that you are indeed an evil person. Not necessarily. It's possible that your motives are simply selfish and you don't consider how they impact others without realizing that such isn't a proper way to behave. People tend to lie to themselves as much as they lie to thers. I agree about the diputes over faiths are not intrinsically good or evil for an outsider, like myself. But for those people with those faiths it will feel like that. What it feels like to them may very well differ from the actual morality of their actions. But a typical Good individual can afford a few minor indiscretions here and there - however, it isn't unknown for a Good person to fall from Good into Evil by taking things too far. Many times, such a person may not realize they have become Evil.
anglar 06-16-04, 07:48 PM	laughing as he enters, "The difference between good and evil is as simple as desire. How one desires to see an action or actions will determine if it is good or evil." Bows deeply to Silmarien. "I am a vampire. It is my nature to feed on the blood of others. Do I not have the right to live?" Picks up an apple and bites a chunk out of it. "If this apple could scream, would eating it be evil? If so, then perhaps we should all change our diets to things that are not and have not ever been alive. Wouldn't Shar just like that? Soon the entire multiverse would cease to exist." Paces aaround the room. "If there's one thing my other and I agree on it's that good and evil are matters of perspective. Are Orcs evil because they trample whatever is in front of them and leave waste in their paths? Or is it because they destroy whatever "structure" they come upon and leave chaos in their wake for others to have to rebuild? The capacity for good and evil exist in anything capable of making a choice." Points towards Silmarien. "Even you, or at least a version of you, has done evil. That is why I hate you so. You had the audacity to choose HIM over me. And to wait to reveal this to me on the day when you knew it would hurt me the most. I speak not of my other. His fortune in your choosing him only fuels my anger at every rendition of you." . . . "By the by, how is Silimna?
thasis 06-16-04, 07:55 PM	Anglar, youv'e made me think (not a good thing usualy). Is a vampire truly evil? They must feed on mortals to survive. Like you say "Is it a crime to live". If you watch the movie Underworld the vampires are not truly evil and neither are the werewolves. They were fighting because of a misunderstanding by a truely evil vampire.
anglar 06-16-04, 09:50 PM	As my other self stated, a vampire must feed on living beings to survive. Where the question comes into play is "Are there other methods of surviving for vamps?" I firmly believe that most any vampire can survive without killing. It's simply a matter of what lengths they'll go to to avoid killing. A vampire with a harem of willing donors could probably survive well, with only the occassional replacement as the donors became older. It's also possible for vampires to survive by drinkin the blood of animals. My grandfather employs a vampire who survives by feeding on a troll. Since the troll can regenerate, this could go on theoretically forever. I can only conclude that vampires who feed on the living do so out of desire or ignorance. The desire is either wickedness or taste. Why dine only on rats when you can have veal?
Galeros 06-16-04, 10:21 PM	Okay, I have an alignment question for all yuo good philosophers here.:) Hopefully this will help with my game(NPC work) Okay, there are two people, one is very passive and does not hate or even really dislike oanyone else. He tries to be nice to others, but does not go out of his way to help others. The other has an active dislike and possibly even hate of people who have certain beliefs, but actually goes out of his way to help others. What would be the alignment for these two? I am trying to flesh out some NPCs.:)
anglar 06-16-04, 10:47 PM	The first is CG and the second is LN/E. It all depends on what those beliefs of others are that he hates.
Galeros 06-16-04, 10:49 PM	Originally posted by anglar The first is CG and the second is LN/E. It all depends on what those beliefs of others are that he hates. Thankies Anglar:) :behold: :angel: Behold the Angel.:)
Silmarien Aldalome 06-16-04, 11:30 PM	@ Ang - :cool: RP Ang! Even though the tonal quality of this Vampire Anglar is the same as that of her Anglar - she feels a wave of nausea in her stomach as he talks. She reflects upon the Vampire's abuse of her cousin, Silimna, who is shackled to Anglar by blood and by corruption and not by choice. "Why do you think you have the right to spend lives for the sake of personal gratification. You take freedom at others' expence and cause harm to the living and to all those connected to your victims. You appeal to greed, lust and power and the magic of the vampire temporarily suppresses the noble features of humanity and amplifies the ignoble. In this act of seduction, there is a shearing off from Life. The act of the Vampire is a deeply selfish act. The truly tragic thing is that your path to love is stifled. I am caught between disgust and grief when I think of the Vampire. As to my cousin - you're an Abomination. Free her - or I will do this myself. While you're at it - why don't you ask about your own Redemption in the process." Sil's face is fixed into a visage of resolute grimness. Her eyes and tones promise to burn the Vampire to ashes, as her scathing glance propels her revulsion. @ Thasis: great stuff. Yes - a Vampire is truly evil. They manipulate meaning with words. It's about "semantics" but not honest semantics. It's the Silver-Tongue whose integrity doesn't match the promise of silk in the tones. The Voice of Saruman. That's the traditional vampire anyhowz. More recent adaptations cast them as having heart and there seems to be a transformation of the Vampire mythology in new Lore. @ Tenzhi - true. Awareness is an important dimension to all this. A child is not aware of themselves, let alone others. I think you're alluding to the Empathic process and the development of it. @ Galerson - welcome Gal - great to see you. cheers everyone sil
anglar 06-16-04, 11:57 PM	"How sentimental." Anglar chuckles. "You'll have her soon enough, and only a little worse for wear. She isn't worth turning." Pacing back and forth around the room. "You speak of vampires as being nothing more he predators who relish their lots in life. Quite a great deal of us do, no doubt, but how different is it from the man who sits down and truly enjoys the filet mignon that he himself cut from the cow. A hunter who takes pleasure in the kill in no different. Yet he isn't labeled evil across the board." Stops and stares at Silmarien. "I'm sorry if I repulse you so. In another world you were once able to look past it all. But you didn't really care for me, then, did you? Can't you feel it. The sensation that you've seen things happen in the exact way, only you know it can't be so. That's because the other yous have been through it, or will soon enough. Soon, you will know everything that you are capable of, and more. Evil is just the right button waiting to be pushed. A killer lives in us all." OOC - Listening to INXS on RockLine right now. Great band.
Tenzhi 06-17-04, 12:35 AM	Yeah... cool RP... why, it might even be better if it were put in the Drow Foundation RP thread so we could progress the story there. ;) As for vampires... Are they so different from humans? Humans kill to survive. In fact, many animals kill to survive. As the song goes: Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on... This... is... necessary. But then again - vampires aren't truly alive, either. Death feeding on life - by conventional thinking that is unnatural. And the same conventional thinking places a different standard on the taking of "sentient" life anyway. Silmarien: Such awareness is seperate from actual alignment, however. Not that you're necessarily alluding otherwise, but I just wanted to make sure my stance on the matter was clear. ;)
Silmarien Aldalome 06-17-04, 02:33 AM	The predator within Sil is not her master. The lessons of awareness have been well earned, so that her Shadow is a tool or device that exists in service to her compassion. The Predator within "provokes" her more noble Aspects. She listens to Anglar with the paradox of Shadow and Light as an anchor. With finely tuned and focussed perception, she locks onto Anglar's words and scans them for self-deception and unrequited healing. "You speak of vampires as being nothing more he predators who relish their lots in life" "Nay - you misunderstand." her own predator studies Anglar "You and I are only different in that my Shadow is not my Master. You have allowed your Shadow to master you - and thus deceive yourself that beings - such as Silimna - are lesser entities to you. They are not. The intrinsic worth of personhood transcends role, publication, fame and fortune. A hunter who takes pleasure in the killing - is not a hunter in all his life. His life is broader - he has family, love, friends and exists to celebrate the many faces of life. The Noble hunter - finds Grace in the Beast he slays. And gives thanks for that Grace. A Vampire rescinds these things." her gaze is unwavering as she speaks in focussed tones. "..but not forever. The process can be reversed. You cannot push buttons that do not exist, and you require an act of will for evil to exist. These things are denied to you and they are not yours to take. You can only try to trick me into using my will to give them to you." She turns to Tenzhi "Feeding is one thing. Respect for the food we injest is another. The quality and choice of food we injest another again." @Tenzhi - yes awareness and alignment are distinct. But - I have to say - Matron Mother's awareness is truncated. Despotic evil causes aweful harm. But by its nature, despotism attracts Life's awareness and Life provides the means to extricate the Despot from existence. But, sometimes not before harm is avoided. It's the tragedy that provides the awareness and the system self-corrects. stav
De Batavier 06-17-04, 08:05 AM	I think there are two things: your own intent and the factual impact of your action. Good intentions can lead to actual evil doing. I think the seemingly relativity of good and evil comes from the fact that everyone has their own moral compass and judges things differently. This thread proves this. Ofcourse the extreme cases of good and evil are for most people clear. Killing to survive is neutral, i think But is our massive bio-industry still, killing to survive? It is a long way from struggeling to kill a prey and then using all or as much material as you could, to just go to a shop and buy something to eat. I, as a meat eater, don't consider myself evil by doing so. Though i'am aware that animals aren't treated with.."respect"..in the bio-industry. I think, i would think twice about eating meat, if i personaly had to kill something for it once in a while.
Tenzhi 06-17-04, 08:58 AM	Originally posted by De Batavier I think, i would think twice about eating meat, if i personaly had to kill something for it once in a while. I've tried giving up meat, but I don't digest vegetables so well. When I stop eating meat I get sick and weak. Perhaps I'm on the verge of becoming an obligate carnivore - a direction in which humanity has been evolving for quite some time.
De Batavier 06-17-04, 09:17 AM	Well than you certainly need to eat meat in order to survive ;) So that makes you neutral on the meat eating good-neutral-evil scale :D
Silmarien Aldalome 06-17-04, 09:17 PM	Originally posted by De Batavier I think there are two things: your own intent and the factual impact of your action. Good intentions can lead to actual evil doing. I think the seemingly relativity of good and evil comes from the fact that everyone has their own moral compass and judges things differently. This thread proves this. Ofcourse the extreme cases of good and evil are for most people clear. Killing to survive is neutral, i think But is our massive bio-industry still, killing to survive? It is a long way from struggeling to kill a prey and then using all or as much material as you could, to just go to a shop and buy something to eat. I, as a meat eater, don't consider myself evil by doing so. Though i'am aware that animals aren't treated with.."respect"..in the bio-industry. I think, i would think twice about eating meat, if i personaly had to kill something for it once in a while. This is a very thoughtful post. The "Intention-Impact" concept is sound. I add this: "Impact" has two components, and one is more subjective than the other. There's the "Perceived" impact (how something is received by someone) and the "Actual" impact (an attempt at a less subjective casting). By example - one can give a home-baked cake to 100 people and there will be 100 different responses to receiving the cake. On average one might expect that gratitude was the response. But, for example, a habitually paranoid person might turn into *cracks* Jan-Marien1: What did he mean by giving that cake..... Jan-Marien2: Shut up Jan! They were just being friendly *pulls it together* The "good" eater is a very very complex and interesting area. I enjoyed reading about your ideas in the post. @Tenzhi I like the term you've introduced, the obligate carnivore. I suspect Humanity is comprised of individual differences on this dimension. With som many of us - I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were pockets of obligate herbivores. In terms of "evolutionary pressure" - well - the way wealthy culture is associated with mass produce food of all types - I don't see us as under selective pressure to become either herbivorous or carnivorous. Mind you - I'm only guessing here and haven't explored this in the sciency literature.... :) @ Anglar Good morning/evening Anglar Goldstems.... stav
anglar 06-17-04, 11:16 PM	Eating for survival can only be defined as neutral. Very few animals don't feed off of something living.
Tenzhi 06-17-04, 11:30 PM	Playing with your food, on the other hand... that can be defined as evil. ;)
anglar 06-17-04, 11:52 PM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Playing with your food, on the other hand... that can be defined as evil. ;) Only if you're defying your mother.:D
Galeros 06-17-04, 11:57 PM	Back to the topic sort of. I think a pure good person would forgive someone no matter whatt they did. They would even forgive someone who murdere dtheir entire family, and all of their friends, possible right in front of them. Not to mention trying to kill them as well. A pure good person would probably try to redeem someone who is evil rather than killing them.
thasis 06-18-04, 12:34 AM	Not nessesarily. I'm in general a good person (even though I pretend to be evil quite often). If someone killed my whole entire family I would kill him and make him suffer like he's never suffered before. Would that make me evil or would that make me human?
Galeros 06-18-04, 12:44 AM	Originally posted by thasis Not nessesarily. I'm in general a good person (even though I pretend to be evil quite often). If someone killed my whole entire family I would kill him and make him suffer like he's never suffered before. Would that make me evil or would that make me human? You would nto be evil, but there could be a Human out there like that.
Tenzhi 06-18-04, 12:51 AM	Originally posted by thasis Would that make me evil or would that make me human? The two aren't mutually exclusive. To purposefully inflict suffering on another would be evil despite your motivations - and it isn't something that would change your species, either.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-18-04, 01:14 AM	*sees Galeros's post* *smiles+goes "ahhh, yes"* The Forgiveness dimension (playing with food or no *chuckles*) is, IMO - one of a group of really central concepts to "goodness". Arguably, non-forgiveness is a well-spring of "evil" (in the D&D sense). Don't get mad, get even. Is this "good", or "evil"? stav
Tenzhi 06-18-04, 01:29 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Don't get mad, get even. Is this "good", or "evil"? It's not inherently either, but depending on how you go about it it could become either.
De Batavier 06-18-04, 12:34 PM	It also depends what has been done to you, because getting even would entail doing the same back. Forgiveness is, IMO, more a kind of closure than an element of good. It is a kind of mental healing. Getting on with your life and letting go of the hate/ grudge. Or in with the positive and out with the negative. I think you could be still good without forgiving someone his misdeeds. But the chance that you will want to get even is bigger. The Food thing Playing with food is for predators often their first lesson in hunting ;)
thasis 06-19-04, 12:16 AM	What I mean by evil or human is isn't that a act that any normal human would do. If someone had there family killed it would litteraly make someone go mentaly unstable and make them have no remorse about torturing the killer. I didn't mean it would change my race.
Tenzhi 06-19-04, 01:47 AM	Originally posted by thasis What I mean by evil or human is isn't that a act that any normal human would do. If someone had there family killed it would litteraly make someone go mentaly unstable and make them have no remorse about torturing the killer. I wouldn't say it's what any human *would* do, but it's what any human *might* do. Anger and grief are powerful forces - they can easily push you to do unsavory, "Evil" things. And while the whole "temporary insanity" plea might score brownie points with the local barrister, when it comes to the hereafter - Evil is as Evil does. I didn't mean it would change my race. ::shakes thasis' hand:: Hi! I don't believe we've met - I'm Tenzhi and I'll be the lunatic wiseacre for your thread. ;)
Silmarien Aldalome 06-19-04, 01:56 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi It's not inherently either, but depending on how you go about it it could become either. hmmm, interesting comments about forgiveness and its place in conflict resolution. Hi there Thasis, Tenzhi, DeB. and co! don't get mad, get even I reckon that at the heart of this saying, is a wish to "make the other suffer like I have". There seem to me to be many implicit "rules" to "primate politics" about this. There is some truth in saying that from suffering comes understanding. I think that part of the reason we "punish" (retributive justice) is so that the "lesson can be learned" from the punishment. stav
De Batavier 06-19-04, 03:51 PM	There are a number of reasons we punish, in a legal sense, people. Revenge (or more precisily to give an organised outlet to the public cry for revenge, to teach a lesson, to resocialise, to set an example for the general public, to keep a person from commiting a crime again (at least for some time period). Ofcourse the repeat offender statistics make it dubious if improsenment helps in anyway to "cure" the inmates. Also, because of the crime rates, it isn't a real deterent for most criminals. The get even mentality leads to vendetta's. which can be quite destabilising in a community.
thasis 06-20-04, 01:16 PM	We've been talking about how good people can get away with doing bad or evil things. This Guild was supposed to be about good people not doing evil things. Can we please change the subject now!
De Batavier 06-20-04, 04:36 PM	I would rather say we were discussing were the boundry lies. How far most an otherwise good person cross an imaginary line before he stops being a good person. And not good people getting away with bad or evil things. I don't think the discussion is off topic. I actually believe that the dilemma's a good person faces are the interesting things, opposed to good people being good and doing good.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-20-04, 11:25 PM	Thanx De Batavier. I'm tending to agree with you. Knowing what Good is - requires knowing about the boundaries between Ethos-es. The discussion is an excellent exploration of the grey space between good acts and other kinds of acts. I see the discussion as about exploring the trixy things that may impact on a good act. Ethical dilemmas occur at the nexus between ethical codifications and new territory. No matter how "good" you try to be - there's always a "lens" one can use to explore ethics and morality. They are subject matters with no endpoint. I think moral thinking emerges precisely from the tensions between intersecting social, cultural, and personal determinants. regards stav
De Batavier 06-21-04, 10:37 AM	Yes and is good purely subjective or does there exist an objective standard. An universal law, so to speak. And would such a law be edged in stone? We already spoken about intent and subjective and objective impact of your actions. That still leaves who is determining the objective impact. I think the character that is struggling to be good is more interesting to play than a character that is always good, is never tempted, and never strays from the path of rightiousness. So is a pure good d&d character interesting to play?
Tenzhi 06-21-04, 10:43 AM	In D&D, Good as a force of alignment is Objective. The objective definition of Good is maintained by the DM (which means, of course, that the DM's personal, subjective view of Good is likely to become the "objective" view imposed upon the players' characters in the campaign world unless the DM specifically codifies Good in some other way).
De Batavier 06-21-04, 10:59 AM	Yes i agree. On the subjective worldview of the characters is imposed an objective view of good by an outside force, the DM and the players.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-21-04, 05:28 PM	Hi there guyz. My posting hours will be irregular this week, because I'm at a five day conference for work. Butr - I'll check early morning and evenings, and post then. The subjective-objective distinction of good is the "gold" standard, in one way for DM's to go by. In case law, people use the "reasonable person" test for an objective legal standard. I.e. what would the reasonable person have done under the circumstances. But, even in the hardest-line definitions, we still have room for subjectivity. so far we've got: the subjective-objective the intention the impact of an action (also as subjective-objective) some attempt by good characters at harm-avoidance (except versus Evils, where harm might be less avoidable). hmmm - is this looking a bit "earth-ish" *smiles* regards stav
thasis 06-21-04, 08:59 PM	OK so if everbody wants to talk about the grayes of good and evil then you can!!! But maybe instead I could create a 3rd alignment guild called the guild of Neutruality and you can talk about gray lines of alignment there!!!:mad:
De Batavier 06-22-04, 08:43 AM	I see the alignments more in a triangle kind of realtion with each other than a line. good | | ------------------------gray good neutral | gray good-evil--------------------------------------------- neutral | |-------------------------gray neutral evil | evil instead of good--------|-------neutral--------|-------evil Therefore a new guild of neutral will not, IMO, be the place to discuss the gray between good and evil. But thasis if you find the current discussion off topic, you are free to post a new discussion topic ;) Edit: hit the wrong key before i was ready with my post. So continued by editing
thasis 06-22-04, 06:08 PM	Since I'm not an expert on good (for proof you should check out my posts in the BoVD section and my guild called Guild of Ultimate Evil) I don't know very many good topic ideas. But any other topic would be preferabal. And about creating a guild of neutrilatity, I or ready created it.
De Batavier 06-23-04, 01:36 PM	Well maybe i'am a little paranoid, but i wouldn't trust someone who claimed to be an expert on good. ;) As for a good topic on good, i think the present one is quite good. Seems we differ in opinion there, but that's good for discussions. :angel:
thasis 06-25-04, 08:26 PM	Anyone other then De Bativier have an idea on topic.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-25-04, 11:11 PM	[GM-Voice]What's going on here? Please PM me if there's a problem or deal with it off-air. We don't want to turn this into a flamey thing about the demarcation of "alignment-turf". It will attract attention from WizO's (and rightly so if it escalates). The "fuzzy areas" discussion can be had in either the Good or Neutral Houses. I'm happy to contribute wherever the Threadkeeper wants to have them. "fuzzy areas" is where the action is. So - DeBatavier The model you've put together is really *cool* - why don't we move it to the Neutral Foundation and develop the "fuzzy areas" there. Thasis - there's prolly no really pressing need to shift it though.[/GM-Voice] Cheers - take care stav
De Batavier 06-26-04, 09:03 AM	Hi Sil, I will post it on the other thread ;)
thasis 06-26-04, 02:37 PM	Thanx
thasis 06-28-04, 07:40 PM	As the Guildmaster of this guild and the other Alignment Guilds I will straightin things out. The Good Guild is to deal with Pure Good (no shades of good gray). The Evil Guild is to deal with Devilish Evil (no shades of gray evil) and the Neutrul Guild deals with any shades of gray of good, evil, and whatever other shades of gray you can think about.
Agudo Archmage 06-30-04, 11:42 AM	Waaaay back on page one, Thasis posted that he felt it was evil, for a priest of the western religions. To destroy the Mayans of South America ancient Religious Books. To use my characters as an example, of the priest …Agudo is Lawful Good, yet he is also a Historian. What does that mean, with the destruction of Indian Religious Books? Well the Mayans Religious books taught how to sacrifice women and children to Sun/Moon/Star/Volcano gods. The Mayans did this as to have a better harvest, for the coming year. As well as to stop sickness, and other bad omens they saw around them. To the Catholic priest, it was a shocker to find such evil books. That is why he destroyed them. Yet back to Agudo. On one hand, he would agree with the priest, you cant let such practices to continue. On the other hand though…. Agudo would want to preserve the ancient primitive writings, for historical purposes. So that the culture could be studied and understood, why Mayans did such violent things. So yes in a historical way it was wrong to destroy the books. But for the Priest, he wanted to stop the Indians, from doing children sacrifices. Basicly both sides can be right in this matter.
De Batavier 06-30-04, 12:51 PM	Yes it is an intersting dilemma. Two goods conflicting in one person. He must choose between two conflicting goals, which both can serve an, in his view, good cause. Preserving history of a culture or stopping a, in his eyes, evil practice. I think he should choose lifes over books. As stated earlier, in the eyes of the indians the priest performed an evil act. He destroyed an essential part of their culture. But the motives of the priest were good. He not only stopped their pagan ways (which would lead them into eternal damnation from his point of view), he also stopped clearly (his point of view) evil practice of human sacrafice. The savior who destroys you
thasis 09-19-04, 11:33 PM	Ah... I see you are neer death. Time to bring you back. (Uses Bump spell) :bump: . Now people. Lets start up a new topic. New members being accepted all the time by the way. People please help me restart this and the other alignment threads.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-19-04, 11:39 PM	Ah... I see you are neer death. Time to bring you back. (Uses Bump spell) :bump: . Now people. Lets start up a new topic. New members being accepted all the time by the way. People please help me restart this and the other alignment threads. Hi there Thasis. As a Guild of Pure Good - who knows about any specific artifacts that are very goodly? Can any use of power ever be 'good'. Or is it the relationship to power that defines it? Or - another topic. Thasis, what say you. stav
thasis 09-19-04, 11:55 PM	Hmm... How bout... Magic that is specifically good. There isn't much of it unless you get The Book of Exalted Deeds. Thats all I can think of right now.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-21-04, 06:49 PM	I don't have the book of exalted deeds, but what I can see of it is that there would tend to be a positive material plane emphasis? Holy Smite comes to mind as well - and a few really kick-ass spells. But, I reckon there's room for more. *paladin throws shining item at undead* stav
Agudo Archmage 09-22-04, 01:33 PM	(ITEMS) Symbol of Lathender (Clerics) Gives + 1 strength, memorize one extra 6th and 7th level spell. +5% magic resistance. Blessed Bracers (Paladins) Cast Cure Critical Wounds once a day, Raise Dead once a day. Rune Hammer +5 (Cleric/Paladins) Gives protection from Negative Plane Energy, Deals double damage to Undead, Immunity to Fear Spells, Gives fire Giant strength to user. Daystar Sword +4 (Paladin) Casts Sunray once a day, Blinds or Dazes evil creatures. Foebane Rod +6 (Paladins/Clerics) does extra damage against Demons, Planetars, Undead. Avenger Sword Carsomyr + 6 (Paladins) One of the most deadly swords against evil. Cast dispel Magic 3 times a day, Protection from evil on wielder, 50% Magic Resistance to wilder. Each hit causes Dispel Magic on the target. Root of the Problem Club +3 (Druid) Does extra damage to unnatural creatures. (SPELLS) Bless- raises all your attack rolls. Cure Wounds- Healing. Detect Evil- Gives names and alignment of evil creatures/people near by Protection From Evil- Makes it harder for evil creatures to attack you. Aid +1 attack bonus on all party membors and 8 HP added. Chant- enemies saving/attack throws reduced and friendly party increase. Dawn- a beam of light that causes 6d6 of damage to evil/undead creatures/demons ***** I think that Good aligned people, should not be able to cast spells that create sword carrying dead bone creatures. That should be left for Neutral/Evil people. The Good aligned people, would be able to cast sword carrying Golem/Elemental creatures of various sizes Your servant in the Light Agudo
thasis 09-22-04, 05:58 PM	I assume those are all in the PHB?
Silmarien Aldalome 09-22-04, 08:25 PM	Hoy thar Agudo+Thasis! Symbol of Lathender (Clerics) Gives + 1 strength, memorize one extra 6th and 7th level spell. +5% magic resistance. Blessed Bracers (Paladins) Cast Cure Critical Wounds once a day, Raise Dead once a day. Rune Hammer +5 (Cleric/Paladins) Gives protection from Negative Plane Energy, Deals double dame to Undead, Immunity to Fear Spells, Gives fire Giant strength to user. This one, in particular is definitely allied to PositiveMP Daystar Sword +4 (Paladin) Casts Sunray once a day, Blinds or Dazes evil creatures. Ditto Foebane Rod +6 (Paladins/Clerics) does extra damage against Demons, Planetars, Undead. Ditto Avenger Sword Carsomyr + 6 (Paladins) One of the most deadly swords against evil. Cast dispel Magic 3 times a day, Protection from evil on wielder, 50% Magic Resistance to wilder. Each hit causes Dispel Magic on the target. Very ditto Root of the Problem Club +3 (Druid) Does extra damage to unnatural creatures. (SPELLS) Bless- raises all your attack rolls. Cure Wounds- Healing. Detect Evil- Gives names and alignment of evil creatures/people near by Protection From Evil- Makes it harder for evil creatures to attack you. Aid +1 attack bonus on all party membors and 8 HP added. I love the morale spells - they make for great RP. Chant- enemies saving/attack throws reduced and friendly party increase. Dawn- a beam of light that causes 6d6 of damage to evil/undead creatures/demons ***** I think that Good aligned people, should not be able to cast spells that create sword carrying dead bone creatures. That should be left for Neutral/Evil people. The Good aligned people, would be able to cast sword carrying Golem/Elemental creatures of various sizes Your servant in the Light Agudo I love the materials Agudo! I've been thinking that artifacts and items need ego+alignment to enrich their association with good concepts. Artifacts with origins steeped in legend and history, in particular would make for great D&D. I remember an artifact by a poster, Joneleth Talshara, which was called the something of 1000 broken dreams, and it was anti-drow. It was one of the best expositions of an artifact I've seen. The item, like Anduril, was out of legends, but imagine Anduril with living mind and ability to recall the battlefield at the end of the Second Age to its wielder and you get where I'm going. I'd like to build one like that here. @Thasis G'day dude. Good to see you (pun intended). Stav
Agudo Archmage 09-23-04, 12:28 PM	thasis I assume those are all in the PHB? Its from the Baldur’s Gate PC games. Mostly part 2 Shadow of Amn and the expansion Throne of Baal. The makers of the BD games, based it on Forgotten Realms books. STAV I love the materials Agudo! I've been thinking that artifacts and items need ego+alignment to enrich their association with good concepts. Artifacts with origins steeped in legend and history, in particular would make for great D&D. I remember an artifact by a poster, Joneleth Talshara, which was called the something of 1000 broken dreams, and it was anti-drow. It was one of the best expositions of an artifact I've seen. The item, like Anduril, was out of legends, but imagine Anduril with living mind and ability to recall the battlefield at the end of the Second Age to its wielder and you get where I'm going. I'd like to build one like that here. @Thasis G'day dude. Good to see you (pun intended). Thanks Stav my friend for your compliments, and I agree that Artifacts with origins steeped in legend and history, makes the games we play more fun. In fact most of those weapons I mentioned above, come with a history log in the game. It talks about how they were made or lost. If I can get them latter, I will post them here.(OR) if there are any BD players who can do it that will be great as well :D
thasis 10-10-04, 12:14 PM	The forces of good shall prevail in the guild wars. Lets us move on forward to victory and beyond. *Holds up banner of Pure Good and prepares the armys of good*
Silmarien Aldalome 10-10-04, 07:50 PM	I've got some hints in advance, that I'll post to everyone when we're ready to go. I've been reading Faiths and Pantheons very closely. You may know that Deities' statistics are grouped. They have a portfolio, immunities, special divine senses, a group of spell-like abilities, tyipically 40 to 60 Divine Hit Dice, Salient Divine Abilities, and a number of enhanced class-related abilities. Unassisted, a mortal could never do much to a Deity, even one with zero Divine Ranks. The contest will thus, be about inventiveness, luck and opportunity (afforded to players by GMs. That is, you're not expected to defeat a Deity without recource to particular.....things). Every power - even a Deities' power has an achilles tendon. stav
Agudo Archmage 10-11-04, 01:43 AM	"Well of course the Good shall win!....um is the Half Elvin foundation and the Good Guild at war? If soooo it may create a slight problem :rolleyes:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-11-04, 05:45 AM	"Well of course the Good shall win!....um is the Half Elvin foundation and the Good Guild at war? If soooo it may create a slight problem :rolleyes: Hi there Agudo Archmage - good to see you. To the bold face *friendly chuckles* It would be very difficult to get Sil to go to war with Good (if not impossible). This Foundation and the Half-Elven one, I hope to forge a strong Alliance between. We're about to Host an Inter-Foundation Game. Where, alliances may turn the tide of battle and where The High King - who could be *you* or anyone - commands power unfathomable. And - even beyond - where the Ranks of the Deities watch over as the Powers of the World strive mastery.... We have: 1. An Inter-Foundations Prep Thread (see last page for rules, Version 2.1) 2. An Inter-Foundations Meta-Rules Thread (for us to modify rules that don't work) 3. An Inter-Foundations Judging Panel Thread (the Panel will be decided soon, and Judges award two kinds of points: 1 set for the Foundation with the savvyest powers and 1 set for Flavour Text when using Foundation Weapons/Powers. 4. And we need a Pantheons Thread (prolly for Orcy) 5. And a Sovereign Thread (also Orcy) BUT - The High King/Queen is not me, Orcy - it's ANYONE'S. Have a read of the new rules and let us know where I need to explain it. There's also a Glossary of Terms downstream, last page, Inter-Foundations Prep Thread..... GO FOR IT
thasis 10-11-04, 11:29 AM	I have to say, I definitly don't want to go to war with the Half-Elven Foundation. My Guild of Ultimate Evil might not say the same thing though *Grins evily*.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-11-04, 06:21 PM	I have to say, I definitly don't want to go to war with the Half-Elven Foundation. My Guild of Ultimate Evil might not say the same thing though *Grins evily*. *chuckles* - Her eyes narrow as she clenches her jaw. She holds the Runestaff forth - and emits a burst of Azure "The evil hordes will know the wrath of a Versemaster - who commands the Peredhil Host and whose magic may be combined in ways that rock the foundations of the Underdark." calming down she adds "But come Good creatures - we have been working for some time on methods of halting one Weave type and not the Other. That Lore has been extensively discussed".... at Forgotten Realms "but it yet needs extensive work. But - does our Master - Thasis have any ideas. I will share the Lore of the Half-Elves with these people - here!" she strikes the Runestaff on the ground "- and WARD" - her eyes narrow again "if I find a Traitor in our midst" she pauses to look at you "YOU are doomed - for treachery will raise my wrath. I do not share Peredhil Lore lightly." I.e. does everyone know what I mean by "halting one weave type and not the other" - ENJOY. stav
Agudo Archmage 10-11-04, 07:46 PM	Stav I.e. does everyone know what I mean by "halting one weave type and not the other" - ENJOY. Good to see you once more Stav....feel free to educate me on this halting Weave....O' and great to hear the Half Elvin and Good Guild wiil be working together.
thasis 10-11-04, 08:27 PM	Ya, whats this weave. Also, I would like some activity on my other foundations. If anyone can encourage activity in my other guild it would be much apriated.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-12-04, 05:03 AM	OK - first off - about getting activity. Because Alignment is so central to D&D - I'm going to cut a specific set of rules that give the Alignment Foundations influence over outcomes. Exactly how - well - perhaps we could discuss this here+now. Those rules will work out ways of forging strong game-alliances between Alignment Threads and other threads. Your ideas About "Halting one weave type and not the other" Background Lore Casting magic in the Prime Material Plane, is reliant upon The Weave. The Weave is that force ("Luke - Luke - I'm your father") that connects all of life together. It's sometimes thought of as an energy conduit to get power into Realmspace (Realmspace is anywhere where The Weave extends). No Weave - No Magic. Dead Magic Zones are case in point. But - 'tis said that The Weave casts a Shadow - and that The Evil Goddess controls this Shadow Weave and that Evil spellcasters draw power from this Shadow Weave. Even though a spell from either Weave can affect another like any other spell (such as Dispel Magic, for example, or Anti-Magic Shield), what use is this when battling a god? If you cast Anti-Magic shield - then no-one can use magic, and your magical weapons fall back to Masterclass status, and so - the Damage Reduction (a non-magical thing - about 'essence') of the god/sovereign kicks in, making it impossible to deck them. Dilemma: how do you stop Shadow Weave Magic and not Weave Magic? She who can do this - may even defeat Bane - God of Hate and Evil. Fact: A Dead Magic Zone does not stop a Shadow Weave spell caster from using magic. Thus, The Minions of Good are very vulnerable in a Dead Magic Zone, because, Bane, for example, would still have access to Magic through the Shadow Weave. Research Question: how do we do the same - but in reverse? The Story of Karsus It's said in the Loretomes, that Karsus (who was an amazing Archwizard who could cast 13th level spells - he's called The Ape Who Could Fly by the Elves) tried to subsume ("take in") the God of Magic, Mystryl. When he did this, all magic went awol, because the greedy man couldn't control the flow of magic in Realmspace, and, for a brief time, all magical effects were doubled, causing massive damage to The Weave - ripping its metaphysical substance. Mystral - having her powers stripped from her by Karsus, watched on in torment as all that she loved was being rent. So - she sacrificed herself, severing her tie to Karsus, and Karsus was consumed in the ensuing destruction. As he fell - turned to stone - in his last moments, his now silver eyes saw his own folly. For, all magic ceased during the Moment of No Magic, with Mystryl's death, and the Floating Cities of the Netherese came crashing to the ground. Some say that at the moment of Karsus's death, the Weave was Split into Weave and Shadow Weave. Others say the Shadow Weave has been around as long as the Weave - and that Karsus had nothing to do with it. The matter has long been debated. In any case, Shar has mastery over the Shadow Weave. And through it, her spellcasters have the advantage in Dead Magic Zones. We need to shore up that vulnerability or else we're a gonner. stav
Dyne 10-25-04, 11:54 PM	I wish to pledge my support for the Guild of Pure Good. Even though I will not be fighting for this guild (I will be fighting for the Council of Archmages), I will seek support and guidance from the guild. I hope the guild can help my actions to be for the greater good, and to therefore make a positive impact on the world.
thasis 10-26-04, 12:12 AM	Thasis looks at Dyne. "I welcome you to my guild of good. Are small but powerful guild will provide any assistince to you in your studies as long as it dosn't delve into evil arts. Also there something you should know. I am the good Avatar of Thasis. There are numereos Avatars of Thasis each one with a diffrent alignment. The original avatar of Thasis was evil. When he cast a powerfull spell it backfired creating clones of Thasis of diffrent alignments so just because you trust me dosn't mean you should trust the other Thasis's, especialy the Evil ones. Do you understand?"
Dyne 10-26-04, 12:18 AM	Yeah, I know about the different clones of Thassis. I've been keeping up on the IFWG thread.
Frostbite_Ravenheart 10-26-04, 06:47 PM	Hello Tha! While I am being a judge for this upcomming compition...as I'm sure you know...90% of my Pcs are good or neutral with a good bent. Even in choice games where I can play G N or Evil I play Good and where the only choice I get is Neutral or Evil I choose Neutral. I think that qualifies me enough for pure good :angel: :P -Frosty
thasis 10-26-04, 08:52 PM	Indeed this does make you pure-goodish. So... What shall we do for a artifact for the Guild Wars. I'm thinking a +5 Sword of Duplication. Basically what it does is multiply iteslf so more then one person can use it at once. Imagine everyone in the guild being equiped with a +5 Holy Greatsword.
Dyne 10-27-04, 01:02 AM	So... What shall we do for a artifact for the Guild Wars. I'm thinking a +5 Sword of Duplication. Basically what it does is multiply iteslf so more then one person can use it at once. Imagine everyone in the guild being equiped with a +5 Holy Greatsword. :drool: Can I use this stuff too? I'll be fighting for the CoA, but I'll support the Guild of Pure Good.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-27-04, 06:49 AM	Dyne :rofl: hi there everyone. Nice concept thasis. We need to outsmart evil. If I had to piick vulnerability in evil, it is as Tolkien has said that it is so self-focussed and self-consumed that it can't understand self-sacrifice, duty and it doesn't know how to work collectively. Other features that are "good", I'd have thought, might be compassion. I was wondering if anyone had any other ideas, firstly, and secondly, how to work those into an Artifact's purpose. Also - we should build a "sovereign advisary board" or something like that - a group with influence over the King. I'd like to see that group commanding enourmous power - much like we have in our own world, groups with large influence over senators and rulers. Any ideas?
Dyne 10-27-04, 07:00 AM	I can't think of any artifacts that would reflect self-sacrifice and compassion. Usually, Good doesn't need artifacts for this. They are more powerful than Evil anyway, just by how they work. A "Sovereign Advisory Board" would probably be composed of the leaders of the various guilds. Otherwise, we'll get a bunch of people who just want to mind control the sovereign. Plus, the leaders would best represent the different guilds, which are the powers of the world.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-27-04, 07:14 AM	Artifacts could tap into those features of personhood - and draw on those feelings for power. In this way, a Good Artifact can only be used, when the wielder was in the right frame of mind, and only when the wielder's intentions were pure. It might be a self-regulating Artifact, unable to be perverted or misused.... That second idea is a really good one. What does thasis think and perhaps this Counsel or whatever it might be called, should have some real power. Sort of like a good version of the Spanish Inquisition or Salem Witches trials.... stav
thasis 10-27-04, 06:06 PM	Hu? Wha? What are we discussing here? Just got back from school to check on me Guilds and Stuff and theres a bunch of stuff on the Guild of Pure Good. I come to check it out and I'm like, I dunno. Whaz going on here? Lets see if I got this right... We want a Artifact that shows how good we are and we need a thread that helps makes deciasians in the Soverign, such as a Soverign Council Thread. Me likes both these ideas. For the good based arifact: We could like have something that every time a member comits a selfless act it powers the artifact up. Basically it grants minor wishes based on how much power it has. Every time that it grants a wish it drains power based on how magor or minor the wish is. Kinnda like as Good-Act Powered Wishing Machine. That might be to powerfull. On the Soverign Advisery Thread: Asome idea. It makes it so that the guilds can be heard without being kicked out of the Throne Room.
Frostbite_Ravenheart 10-27-04, 07:53 PM	Also - we should build a "sovereign advisary board" or something like that - a group with influence over the King. I'd like to see that group commanding enourmous power - much like we have in our own world, groups with large influence over senators and rulers. Any ideas? NO! I WONT ALLOW IT! You can't take my power away from me! I'm the boss NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!!!! ;) Fine I give in...sounds like a perfect idea. This shouldn't be so much of a copy of the American Senate but rather much more of a Labor Union, where the fear of massive-numbers threatens the King. The king should beable to do what he wants and I think it would add depth to create tension between the King and the "union" so that each side has to try to push as hard as it can to get away with stuff, sneak stuff around, prepare a good def ect ect. -Frosty
Demonfey 10-27-04, 08:09 PM	Shouldn't you all have representations of yourselves in the guild to act out conversations?
Agudo Archmage 10-30-04, 02:44 AM	Silmarien Aldalome Nice concept thasis. We need to outsmart evil. If I had to piick vulnerability in evil, it is as Tolkien has said that it is so self-focussed and self-consumed that it can't understand self-sacrifice, duty and it doesn't know how to work collectively. Other features that are "good", I'd have thought, might be compassion. I was wondering if anyone had any other ideas, firstly, and secondly, how to work those into an Artifact's purpose. Also - we should build a "sovereign advisary board" or something like that - a group with influence over the King. I'd like to see that group commanding enourmous power - much like we have in our own world, groups with large influence over senators and rulers. Also - we should build a "sovereign advisary board" or something like that - a group with influence over the King. I'd like to see that group commanding enourmous power - much like we have in our own world, groups with large influence over senators and rulers. Any ideas? Are you saying we shall form a powerful group where we are all like Bill Gates? COOOOOL :cool: The Agudo School of Light can create a {Triad } with other powerful groups of Good. What about the Half Elvin Guild Silmarien Aldalome? Or your own many guilds thasis? Care to work together for the better of all? My school has vast resources of students of many races in the classes of…. Clerics, Righteous Knights, Druids, Bards even Gnomes and there dangerous but spectacular doohickeys. The Agudo school of Light and Magic has dedicated Chemistry class that can make large amounts of potions for our Triad needs. I will even open the schools financial records *** A notice was posted with a fine yellowed parchment saying in bold words. Agudo School of Light and Magic annual financial report to all benefactors. The ending year of the Dancing Pixie! I Agudo Headmaster of the School Light hereby declare the following information to be true and accurate. The economic benefits were gained through student’s class projects in making Magic Wands, Potions, Rings, Staffs, Herbs, Robes and a verity of other things. Most are sold or traded for the following… Financial Balance… 45000 Silver Coins, 2500 Gold Coins and 3200 Copper coins (All Minted in Baldurs Gate) Jewels… 205 Emeralds, 88 large cut Diamonds, 153 Star Sapphire, 95 Pearls, 56 Black Opals, 43 Water Opals, 23 Moonbars Gems, 32 Kings Tears, 19 Rogue Stones, 110 Aquamarine Gems, 88 Waterstone gems, 73 Sunstone Gems, 14 Jade Rings, 43 Ruby rings, 5 Angel Rings , 3 Gold Necklaces, 12 Laerals Tear Necklaces, 4 Pearl Necklaces. 14 Ice Wands, 23 Magic Missals, 33 Fire Wands, 15 Acid Arrow Wands, 7 Staff of Mages, 5 Staffs of Air, 3 Staffs Striking, 2 Staffs of Ram, 4 Staffs of Thunder and Lightning, 1 Staff of Power. 2 Travelers Robes, 4 Robes of Good Archmage, 3 Cloaks of Mirror, 3 Robes of Cold Resistance, 5 of Electrical Resistance, 2 Fire Resistance 8 Boots of Grounding, 6 Boots of Phasing, 3 Boots of Speed. 1 Girdle of Fortitude, 3 Belts of Hill Giant Strength, 1 Belt of Defense. I would post the Potions of the school buuuut..... like I said before those Gnomes and there dangerous but spectacular doohickeys set my school back on that for at least a month :embarrass
Silmarien Aldalome 10-30-04, 06:58 AM	@Frosty :rofl: But seriously, if the Sovereign disapproves, you must say so - and then we can either RESIST or COMPLY. At that point, you could act accordingly. About the Guild of Pure Good Council Silmarien studies the group in the Halls and she looks concerned. "For there is great evil in the lands" she strides around the council chambers, the Runestaff makes an ominous sound as its metal shod heel taps on the stone with every stride. She comes over to thasis and says "we need to marshall our resources. We must have power. For without it, we are helpless to the hordes of darkness, who may invade and destroy us. We must devise an item of great power, firstly". She sweeps the folds of her robes about her - and releases a blast from the Runestaff - pure azure that erupts into the heaves and explodes into a canopy of silver-blue that rains stars upon the lands in the midnight sky. She turns to look at you - and she sees you reading and she smiles and says "We must form a Ruling Council and together - deliver our advice to the High King. The terms of our service, the advice we command and our voices must be heard." About our Artifcat/item. Let's keep building it. What have we go so far? stav
Tenzhi 10-30-04, 07:37 AM	::sings:: In the Yule of the Pixie Agudo gave to me: 12 Laerals Tear Necklaces 11 Magic Missals 10 Acid Arrow Wands 9 large cut Diamonds 8 Boots of Grounding 7 Staves of Mages 6 Boots of Phasing Fi-i-i-ve An-gel Rings 4 Staves of Air 3 Striking Staffs 2 Emeralds And a Figurine of Wondrous Power (Partridge)
Silmarien Aldalome 10-30-04, 07:44 AM	::sings:: In the Yule of the Pixie Agudo gave to me: 12 Laerals Tear Necklaces 11 Magic Missals 10 Acid Arrow Wands 9 large cut Diamonds 8 Boots of Grounding 7 Staves of Mages 6 Boots of Phasing Fi-i-i-ve An-gel Rings 4 Staves of Air 3 Striking Staffs 2 Emeralds And a Figurine of Wondrous Power (Partridge) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Don't you mean 11 Pipes of Chiming 10 Boots of Leaping?
thasis 10-30-04, 11:56 AM	I've been spending alot of time in da Guild of Ultimate Evil so I havn't been able to think of an Artifact for this guild yet. Let us work together and device a device that will change the tides of war. How bout the the Codex of Infinite Planes. It's in da Epic Level Handbook under Magor Artifacts. It looks realy cool.
Agudo Archmage 10-30-04, 12:31 PM	::sings:: In the Yule of the Pixie Agudo gave to me: by Tenzhi 12 Laerals Tear Necklaces 11 Magic Missals 10 Acid Arrow Wands 9 large cut Diamonds 8 Boots of Grounding 7 Staves of Mages 6 Boots of Phasing Fi-i-i-ve An-gel Rings 4 Staves of Air 3 Striking Staffs 2 Emeralds And a Figurine of Wondrous Power (Partridge) Silmarien Aldalome Don't you mean 11 Pipes of Chiming 10 Boots of Leaping? Nice to know that I can get people in to the Holiday spirit (Pixie) :P I take it my Triad idea wasn’t up to snuff? I can help on the epic level stuff I have a few handbooks and all. Just let me know? Agudo Walks away kicking a can. “Man! I really wanted to control the world with a Triad like Microsoft!”
Demonfey 10-30-04, 05:49 PM	Trust me, that would be a bad idea. Look at it closer, and you'll see why.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-01-04, 11:27 PM	Sil teleports into the Guild of Good's entrance halls - and bows before you before handing you a parchment. She has written a letter..... In Fealty, We come to you with no less than the need of the earth to carry us. For, rumour has it that the Dark Lord's spirit coalesces and that he has learned to project himself from The Eternal Prison and onto the Earth in defiance of Arnandahar. Therefore, we come to you in fear. For there are none amongst us who can withstand the evils of the earth alone. We come to the Guild of Good - and we offer our Fealty to you. That, in the event of your need - we will come to your summons and in exchange, we would ask to lend your might when the forces of darkness come to assault our lands. We have great Lore in our Keeping - the Pereldar Silverstarfire.... you get a flash-back and can momentarily see Sil's Runestaff and its silver-blue metal shod heels of the Runestaff momentarily ....that is an expression of our Essence and which serves the land in all ways. We would offer this power to your service, and in exchange, I would seek to sit on the Guild - and we may also hope to shape the lands in the image of goodness. You and your kin - be ever welcome at Peredhil Halls Your Servant Silmaríen Aldalömé
thasis 11-01-04, 11:32 PM	I the Good Thasis accept this treaty of friendship with the Half-Elven Foundation on behalf of the Guild of Pure Good, unless there are any liable objections I will sign.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-01-04, 11:56 PM	Sil nods her head, then look up and says "we must put our wisdom into terms that will be accepted by the Steward. Our Council - The Guild of Good - thence shall shape the powers of the land.."
Dyne 11-04-04, 11:33 PM	Let's get this foundation alive and kicking again. We need good guys to balance out the great evil that some of the foundations will unleash. Has anyone got an idea for the artifact for the Guild of Good yet?
Agudo Archmage 11-05-04, 04:06 PM	Dyne Let's get this foundation alive and kicking again. We need good guys to balance out the great evil that some of the foundations will unleash. Has anyone got an idea for the artifact for the Guild of Good yet? Artifact: Shield of Light When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below) Adds Constitution- + 9 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good aliened people with the Class of: Knight Cleric Druid Monk
Dyne 11-05-04, 05:03 PM	Only useable by Good aliened people with the Class of: Knight Cleric Druid Monk There's a Knight class? :confused:
Von Crown 11-05-04, 08:32 PM	Added bones include: an... interesting typo
Agudo Archmage 11-06-04, 12:05 AM	Dyne There's a Knight class? Its normaly found in Baldur's Gate PC games as well as Forgotten Realm Rule books. Under specialty classes- Paladin is like a Cleric/Knight A Kinight is a Lord of a town who stands for a legal code of honor. Inquisitor Knight- Is dedicated in fighting evil Wizards. Von Crown an... interesting typo Thanks got it ;) Artifact: Shield of Light When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below) Adds Constitution- + 9 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good aliened people with the Class of: Knight Cleric Druid Monk
Dyne 11-06-04, 12:10 AM	Only useable by Good aliened people Another interesting typo.
Agudo Archmage 11-06-04, 12:32 AM	BY Dyne the Ruthless Spell Checker :P Only useable by Good aliened people Another interesting typo. Artifact: Shield of Light When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below) Adds Constitution- + 9 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good Aligned people with the Class of: Knight Cleric Druid Monk
Von Crown 11-06-04, 10:33 AM	What exactly does "Turn undead on all within 30 feet" do? Does it mean it automatically turn all undead within 30 feet, or can everyone within 30 feet turn undead? And also, at what cleric level and Charisma modifier?
Agudo Archmage 11-06-04, 12:55 PM	Von Crown What exactly does "Turn undead on all within 30 feet" do? Does it mean it automatically turn all undead within 30 feet, or can everyone within 30 feet turn undead? And also, at what cleric level and Charisma modifier? Ahh finally a intelligent question by an intelligent person. :) basicly the person holding the shield can turn Undead up to thirty feet. The Spell is based on the normal Turn undead and it stats for it. I put down the Level for each Class next to the info below. Artifact: Shield of Light When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below) Adds Constitution- + 9 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good Aligned people with Charisma 12 or higher and the Class of: Knight level 7 or higher Cleric level 5 or higher Druid level 5 or higher Monk level 6 or higher
Von Crown 11-07-04, 07:54 PM	I meant what level cleric do they count as for the purpose of turning undead? from th SRD: Turn or Rebuke Undead (Su): Any cleric, regardless of alignment, has the power to affect undead creatures by channeling the power of his faith through his holy (or unholy) symbol (see Turn or Rebuke Undead). A good cleric (or a neutral cleric who worships a good deity) can turn or destroy undead creatures. An evil cleric (or a neutral cleric who worships an evil deity) instead rebukes or commands such creatures. A neutral cleric of a neutral deity must choose whether his turning ability functions as that of a good cleric or an evil cleric. Once this choice is made, it cannot be reversed. This decision also determines whether the cleric can cast spontaneous cure or inflict spells (see above). A cleric may attempt to turn undead a number of times per day equal to 3 + his Charisma modifier. A cleric with 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (religion) gets a +2 bonus on turning checks against undead. the way turning works is based on one's levels in cleric. If someone has no levels of cleric, then what level does the artifact use? here's the turning rules from the SRD TURN OR REBUKE UNDEAD Good clerics and paladins and some neutral clerics can channel positive energy, which can halt, drive off (rout), or destroy undead. Evil clerics and some neutral clerics can channel negative energy, which can halt, awe (rebuke), control (command), or bolster undead. Regardless of the effect, the general term for the activity is "turning". When attempting to exercise their divine control over these creatures, characters make turning checks. Turning Checks: Turning undead is a supernatural ability that a character can perform as a standard action. It does not provoke attacks of opportunity. You must present your holy symbol to turn undead. Turning is considered an attack. Range: You turn the closest turnable undead first, and you can't turn undead that are more than 60 feet away or that have total cover relative to you. You don't need line of sight to a target, but you do need line of effect. Turning Check: The first thing you do is roll a turning check to see how powerful an undead creature you can turn. This is a Charisma check (1d20 + your Charisma modifier). Table: Turning Undead gives you the Hit Dice of the most powerful undead you can affect, relative to your level. On a given turning attempt, you can turn no undead creature whose Hit Dice exceed the result on this table. Turning Damage: If your roll on Table: Turning Undead is high enough to let you turn at least some of the undead within 60 feet, roll 2d6 + your cleric level + your Charisma modifier for turning damage. That's how many total Hit Dice of undead you can turn. If your Charisma score is average or low, it's possible to roll fewer Hit Dice of undead turned than indicated on Table: Turning Undead. You may skip over already turned undead that are still within range, so that you do not waste your turning capacity on them. Effect and Duration of Turning: Turned undead flee from you by the best and fastest means available to them. They flee for 10 rounds (1 minute). If they cannot flee, they cower (giving any attack rolls against them a +2 bonus). If you approach within 10 feet of them, however, they overcome being turned and act normally. (You can stand within 10 feet without breaking the turning effect-you just can?t approach them.) You can attack them with ranged attacks (from at least 10 feet away), and others can attack them in any fashion, without breaking the turning effect. Destroying Undead: If you have twice as many levels (or more) as the undead have Hit Dice, you destroy any that you would normally turn. Table: Turning Undead Turning Check Result Most Powerful Undead Affected (Maximum Hit Dice) 0 or lower Cleric's level - 4 1-3 Cleric's level - 3 4-6 Cleric's level - 2 7-9 Cleric's level - 1 10-12 Cleric's level 13-15 Cleric's level + 1 16-18 Cleric's level + 2 19-21 Cleric's level + 3 22 or higher Cleric's level + 4 So what level cleric do they count as, are they subject to the standard use limit, and can they only turn (not destroy) undead, or can they do both as normal?
Agudo Archmage 11-07-04, 09:22 PM	Von Crown I meant what level cleric do they count as for the purpose of turning undead? from th SRD.....The way turning works is based on one's levels in cleric. If someone has no levels of cleric, then what level does the artifact use? So what level cleric do they count as, are they subject to the standard use limit, and can they only turn (not destroy) undead, or can they do both as normal? Von Crown that is a very in-depth thought! The Artifact “Shield of Light” will act as a Cleric for those who are not. It will equal their Level as if they were a Cleric. (See Chart for minimum level use for Non Clerics) Knight level 7 or higher Druid level 5 or higher Monk level 6 or higher The Turn Undead spell works like the Normal spell. With all effects and results, such as Destroy and Turning. Example a level 9 Knight can wield the Shield of Light. The Shield will react as a Cleric of that wielders Level. Plus the normal bonuses that go with Turning Undead and Destroying Undead. By command of the wielder, the Shield will cast the following. Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below) Adds Constitution- + 9 (On Wielder) The Cleric at minimum level 5 gets the freedom of focusing on offensive attacks. Instead of just using her symbol of faith and praying it works. She has the Shield of Light doing that allowing her to use hand held weapons …Hammer…Mace and so on. Also it frees the Cleric to cast other spells on the enemy as well as save her Healing Spells, by using the Shields power first. If I left anything out please let me know Von Crown. For you have been very helpful in clearing things up. :D PS the only thing that I may have to change is the.... ((Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below)) Perhaps 15 is to high? Any thoughts? The Spell is based on the normal Turn undead and it stats for it. I put down the Level for each Class next to the info below. Artifact: Shield of Light When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below) Adds Constitution- + 9 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good Aligned people with Charisma 12 or higher and the Class of: Knight level 7 or higher Cleric level 5 or higher Druid level 5 or higher Monk level 6 or higher
Von Crown 11-07-04, 09:52 PM	You still havent said how often it can turn undead. the two possibilitis I see are 1. at will 2. as normal (3+weilders cha modifier) I would reccomend 2, because in my oppinion 1 seems a tad bit unbalanced. if you want, you could always say that they count as having the extra turning feat several times (for more uses)
Dyne 11-07-04, 09:54 PM	Everyone in the IFWG is level 15. As it progresses, they'll get even higher. Don't change that. So, basically, the Shield of Light provides continuous Protections from Evil, grants the wielder the ability to Turn Undead as a Cleric of his Character Level, and it shines brightly whenever an Evil creature is within ? feet. How many feet away from the shield is considered "in the presence of the shield." And why is the Constitution bonus +9? Ability bonuses are usually even because odd ability scores usually are just as good as the score one less from them. And what about Paladins? Does the shield function for Paladins? And what is Full Healing? There's a spell called Heal, but I've never heard of Full Healing, unless you're referring to the shield as being able to fully heal anyone 5 times a day (which is an awfully powerful ability). And is Blinding Light another ability you just made up? Sorry, but some of the abilities of the shield totally confuse me. :confused:
Agudo Archmage 11-07-04, 11:45 PM	Von Crown You still havent said how often it can turn undead. the two possibilitis I see are 1. at will 2. as normal (3+weilders cha modifier) I would reccomend 2, because in my oppinion 1 seems a tad bit unbalanced. if you want, you could always say that they count as having the extra turning feat several times (for more uses) I think Von Crown is right! So it will be #2. as normal (3+weilders cha modifier) Dyne How many feet away from the shield is considered "in the presence of the shield." And why is the Constitution bonus +9? Ability bonuses are usually even because odd ability scores usually are just as good as the score one less from them. And what about Paladins? Does the shield function for Paladins? And what is Full Healing? There's a spell called Heal, but I've never heard of Full Healing, unless you're referring to the shield as being able to fully heal anyone 5 times a day (which is an awfully powerful ability). And is Blinding Light another ability you just made up? Sorry, but some of the abilities of the shield totally confuse me. Now alow me to Confuse you....I mean help you :P I have changed the Con to 8 for a more even number. 30 feet is the all around area of efect of the Shield Full Heal is based on Baldur Gate PC Game and was made from pree 3.5 D&D game spells....were talking 90 decade :eek: And yes its 5 times a day Full Heal. Thats why its an Artifact of great power. The Blinding Light takes place when evil is about. Its like the Spell of Sunray, but only on evil creatures and evil people. All Evil beings may make an normal attempt at Save versus the spell efect. The blindness last ten rounds. As far as Paladans....well I never got into using the Pladan word. To me a Righteous Knight is well a Knight! But Forgoten Relams Rules, see Paladins as Clerics-Knights who have dedicated themselves to their Order. So yes they can use it! In a long winded way of saying it. ;) If Von Crown or Dyne would like to help manage the Stats or Rules balance better with the Shield of Light....that would be just grand with me for I value your opinions :) Artifact: Shield of Light The Shield is an aid to Clerics and Non clerics alike of Good baring. All Spells the Shield of Light uses will be based on normal rules of that type of spell and the wielders level. When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light (Some what like Sunray Spell) That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below and last 10 game rounds.) Adds Constitution- + 8 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good Aligned people with Charisma 12 or higher and the Class of: Knight level 7 or higher Cleric level 5 or higher Druid level 5 or higher Monk level 6 or higher
thasis 11-08-04, 10:59 AM	What about Palidins and Rangers? They can both cast Divine Spells and Palidins must be Lawfull Good and Rangers have the option of being good.
Von Crown 11-08-04, 07:03 PM	You know, I was thinking, the sheild of light might be neat as an intelligent item, then A. It would probably have a constant detect evil and detect undead on itself B. It would probably be able to choose wwhen to activate it's abilities, and C. it would be harder for evildoers to trick the weilder into using it for their gain (something Mordred is quite known for (If your interested, PM me and I can tell you about how I took down my world's dwarf mafia. yes, you read that right.))
Agudo Archmage 11-08-04, 08:10 PM	thasis What about Palidins and Rangers? They can both cast Divine Spells and Palidins must be Lawfull Good and Rangers have the option of being good. Make since to me! What about the rest of you guys/gals! What do think of Thasis question? Von Crown You know, I was thinking, the shield of light might be neat as an intelligent item, then A. It would probably have a constant detect evil and detect undead on itself B. It would probably be able to choose when to activate it's abilities, and C. it would be harder for evildoers to trick the wielder into using it for their gain (something Mordred is quite known for (If your interested, PM me and I can tell you about how I took down my world's dwarf mafia. yes, you read that right.)) That’s something that would really improve the Shield. Kind of like the Swords that have a being in it. Its able to commune with the holder and trys to set up a bond. In fact its so good I plan to add that right now Artifact: Shield of Light This living Shield of Light is a shining example of merging goodness and a inanimate object together. Like a Wizards familiar this intelligent being is capable of intelligent thought. She can communicate through mental contact between her and the wielder. The history of the Shield of Light is as follows…… (Since Von Crown came up with the idea I would like t give him the opportunity to write a history about the Shield of Light and the living being in it.)) The Shield is an aid to Clerics and Non clerics alike of Good bearing. All Spells the Shield of Light uses will be based on normal rules of that type of spell and the wielders level. When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light (Some what like Sunray Spell) That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below and last 10 game rounds.) Adds Constitution- + 8 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good Aligned people with Charisma 12 or higher and the Class of: Knight level 7 or higher Cleric level 5 or higher Druid level 5 or higher Monk level 6 or higher
Von Crown 11-08-04, 08:40 PM	Well, first off, thank you for the opportunity to write a history for the sheild of light. I'll do that later in the post. Anyways, there are already established guidelines for making intelligent magic items, these can be found here (http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/MagicItemsVI.rtf). Just thought that might help. So, without further ado, the History of the Shield of Light Long ago, when the land was young,before the tragic fall of Triel, there was a massive war between the fiends and the celestials. The war went on for many years, the Demons and Devils being led by a council made up of all the Archdevils and Demon princes, and the Celestials were led by their mightiest Paragons.However, the Infenal forces of the lower planes were planning something, and the Celestails were desperate to know what. So desperate, in fact, that they resorted to espionage. They sent one of their own, a Celestial known as Triel, to accomplish this task.However, this plan was doomed to failure, as after spending time among the feinds, Triel found himself falling into depravity himself. And thus it came to pass that Triel betrayed his Celestial allies and turned to the Archdevils all the information he knew, and took the name Balzeebul to show his new alleigance. However, far less known, is that the laws of balance state that whenever one being of good is dragged down, yet another rises. it is this lak that keeps the universe from being overwhelmed by either side. The story of Triel is no different, for even as the angel fell, a new force of good was born. Ashaemorech was a powerfull Pit Fiend who was soon expecting promotion into the Dark Eight when one day he came across a small elven child who had been backed into a wall by a pack of worgs. Feeling an unusual and uncharacteristic pang of pity, he slew the worgs and saved the child. As he went on his way, he found that he derived an small amount of pleasure from knowing he had done something good, and decided to change his ways. However, Asmodius was not pleased about Ashaemorechs' defection. He went to the material plane, intending to slay the fool who dared chang his alleigance. However, as Asmodius Prepared to annihilate Ashaemorech his a blast from his rod, Zaphkiel appeared and shielded Ashaemorech. However, the two were an even match for each other in power, and when the dust of the resulting explosion setteled, it was clear that Ashaemorech would not live long. Attempting to preseve him as a sign that all things can change and that nothing is absolutly good or evil, Zaphkiel preserved Ashaemorechs' personality by binding his soul into what is now known as the shield of light.
Agudo Archmage 11-08-04, 09:49 PM	From the one the only Von Crown! Long ago, when the land was young,before the tragic fall of Triel, there was a massive war between the fiends and the celestials. The war went on for many years, the Demons and Devils being led by a council made up of all the Archdevils and Demon princes, and the Celestials were led by their mightiest Paragons.However, the Infenal forces of the lower planes were planning something, and the Celestails were desperate to know what. So desperate, in fact, that they resorted to espionage. They sent one of their own, a Celestial known as Triel, to accomplish this task.However, this plan was doomed to failure, as after spending time among the feinds, Triel found himself falling into depravity himself. And thus it came to pass that Triel betrayed his Celestial allies and turned to the Archdevils all the information he knew, and took the name Balzeebul to show his new alleigance. However, far less known, is that the laws of balance state that whenever one being of good is dragged down, yet another rises. it is this lak that keeps the universe from being overwhelmed by either side. The story of Triel is no different, for even as the angel fell, a new force of good was born. Ashaemorech was a powerfull Pit Fiend who was soon expecting promotion into the Dark Eight when one day he came across a small elven child who had been backed into a wall by a pack of worgs. Feeling an unusual and uncharacteristic pang of pity, he slew the worgs and saved the child. As he went on his way, he found that he derived an small amount of pleasure from knowing he had done something good, and decided to change his ways. However, Asmodius was not pleased about Ashaemorechs' defection. He went to the material plane, intending to slay the fool who dared chang his alleigance. However, as Asmodius Prepared to annihilate Ashaemorech his a blast from his rod, Zaphkiel appeared and shielded Ashaemorech. However, the two were an even match for each other in power, and when the dust of the resulting explosion setteled, it was clear that Ashaemorech would not live long. Attempting to preseve him as a sign that all things can change and that nothing is absolutly good or evil, Zaphkiel preserved Ashaemorechs' personality by binding his soul into what is now known as the shield of light. Today 06:10 PM Well now we seem to have a Play writer in are mix! Very imaginative history for the shield Von crown. Shows that you have great skill in fantasy writing. :cool: I do have a second Artifact Called Mace of Righteous Redemption I haven’t worked out the details yet. But that story would really fit the Mace of Righteous Redemption Yet I will leave it up to you Von Crown,... shall this history you wrote be for the Shield or Mace?
thasis 11-08-04, 10:28 PM	A.) Good job Von Crown. B.) I think that instead of limiting the shield to the specific classes we should say that any good aligned creatures with access to divine spells who have atleast 6 character levels may use the shield of light.
Von Crown 11-08-04, 11:02 PM	I like Thasis's restrictions they would open it up for more unusual holy weilders. As for the Mace or the Shield, I would need to know the Mace's effects. If you want I could try to write another history for it (though it would probably need a bit longer so I can came up with a new one). P.S. I think the shield's alignment would be Lawful Good, just a guess though
Dyne 11-08-04, 11:03 PM	I don't see why it should require spellcasting ability. Any follower of good should be able to gain its benefits. Also, it shouldn't discriminate by character levels either. Even the smallest of creatures can alter the course of history (this is proven in Lord of the Rings). I would think the Shield would want to give its bonuses to anyone of good alignment. P.S. Good job on the history, Von Crown. And good job on the Shield so far, Agudo.
Agudo Archmage 11-09-04, 12:03 AM	Dyne I don't see why it should require spellcasting ability. Any follower of good should be able to gain its benefits. Also, it shouldn't discriminate by character levels either. Even the smallest of creatures can alter the course of history (this is proven in Lord of the Rings). I would think the Shield would want to give its bonuses to anyone of good alignment. P.S. Good job on the history, Von Crown. And good job on the Shield so far, Agudo. Thanks Dyne :bow: Its true that even the smallest of level Char can be a big help in a game. Like I said before Agudo is more the Gray Wizard from Lords of the Rings. For FREE FORM him in games. So as to guide the game for the smaller players. Not be the center of the game. Also Monks can use the Shield of Light so its not just spell casters. Von Crown I like Thasis's restrictions they would open it up for more unusual holy weilders. As for the Mace or the Shield, I would need to know the Mace's effects. If you want I could try to write another history for it (though it would probably need a bit longer so I can came up with a new one). P.S. I think the shield's alignment would be Lawful Good, just a guess though Perhaps Lawful Good? Often some weapons are just for one alignment. But I also think it has better game play if we leave it open for all Good players. Thasis A.) Good job Von Crown. B.) I think that instead of limiting the shield to the specific classes we should say that any good aligned creatures with access to divine spells who have atleast 6 character levels may use the shield of light. Well levels can be open to change. What does everyone think?
Von Crown 11-09-04, 09:33 PM	I didn't mean It would only function for lawful good characters, I mean it itself should be lawful good. Intelligent magic Items have alignments, after all.
Agudo Archmage 11-10-04, 10:10 AM	Von Crown I didn't mean It would only function for lawful good characters, I mean it itself should be lawful good. Intelligent magic Items have alignments, after all. Ahh got it! :embarrass Lawful Good for the Living Shield of Light will be best then. It goes well with the story.
thasis 11-10-04, 01:51 PM	Love the idea. If it's ok with everyone then I think we'll use this as are artifact.
Agudo Archmage 11-11-04, 02:39 PM	thasis Love the idea. If it's ok with everyone then I think we'll use this as are artifact. :angel: Shield of Light :angel: Wow thanks thasis! :cool: As well as Dyne :clap: and Von Crown! :clap: For all of you three really help make the Shield into what it became
Dyne 11-11-04, 06:44 PM	"I am Dyne, a great supporter of the Guild of Pure Good, and I seek an audience with the leader of the Guild of Pure Good, for there is important business we must discuss. The armies of Darkness are gathering, and unless we gather together, we will fall. I represent the Council of Archmages, and we seek alliance with the Guild of Pure Good."
thasis 11-12-04, 10:52 AM	"I quite like the idea. If all active members of the Guild of Pure Good don't have any problem with it I will accept."
Dyne 11-12-04, 05:18 PM	"Then I declare mutual peace and goodwill between the Guild of Pure Good and the Council of Archmages. May this alliance last forever, supporting the peoples of the Guild of Pure Good and the Council of Archmages during its existence." I'll have to check with the other members of the Council of Archmages, but it looks like everything is in order.
thasis 11-12-04, 08:45 PM	Cewl. Another alliance. Hmm... who are we aligned with so far. As I rember we are allied with the Half-Elven Foundation and the Council of Archmages.
Dyne 11-12-04, 11:29 PM	Cewl. Another alliance. Hmm... who are we aligned with so far. As I rember we are allied with the Half-Elven Foundation and the Council of Archmages. An alliance triangle between the Council of Archmages, the Half-Elven Foundation, and the Guild of Pure Good. A nice combination, we should be successful together.
thasis 11-12-04, 11:50 PM	"My spys have reported that the Guild of Ultimate Evil has made a pact and allyship with the Risen Dead Foundation. I saw this coming and we must brace areself against these foul beasts who claim themeselves people."
Silmarien Aldalome 11-13-04, 12:18 AM	Well done with the Artifact - that was *great* teamwork. About its intelligence I am Ashaemorech The Shield of Light!! I remember the day I did battle with Asmodius. I was ablaze with Divine power from the Beyond - and I burned brigthly on the Battlefield and Asmodius and his Darkness struck me again and again. Still I recall the sound of his dark metal - as it clanged in the night airs and still I smell Asmodius's stench and see his eyes staring in wrath. For his anger at my betrayal of Darkness knew no bounds. Who holds me! What are you! I sense Half-Elves, Archmages and a Great Council of Good beings. I am pleased! We must prepare for war! The Darkness Returns... Do not betray the Good of the world! For if you do, I will burn you so that your hand ever after feels my fires - even as I battled Asmodius many thousands of years ago. I will be the Voice of the Artifact......and you its wielders..... We need to think about how it will be introduced, which means we need to think about how the rules of GWar guide the introduction of Artifacts....(meta thread). Well done everyone stav
thasis 11-13-04, 12:41 PM	Thanks sil. It was mostly Augudo and Dyne though. I just put a few words in here and there. Also, I like your voice thing about fighting Asmedeous. I actualy have a funny story about Asmedeous but it would be better suited for the Guild of Ultimate Evil disscussion :D .
Demonfey 11-13-04, 01:15 PM	[i][color=darkred]....There is a sudden flash of Blue - and a thunder bold rips through the airs. In an explosion of blue - a Rift from Realmspace opens - a portal. The explosion implodes, and a woman materialises. She is known to all those in the Evil Plane - and feared. For she will not parlay with darkness. Her silverblond hair flies about her as she summons Great Airs and her eyes flash with power. She brandishes the Runestaff and as the Silver-blue Metal shod strikes the grounds - the air crackles and she and the Staff flash with a burst of Azure. She stares at you with her eyes ablaze - and she is surrounded by powerful Wards. To evil, an anathema and scourging pain. Burning at the souls of the damned - daring them to redemption. {A gate of blood red color opens, and a being who carries himself with an air of one who has seen more ages than many gods walks through. The guild itself darkens around him, and the paladins in there pass out from the sheer malevolence. The being looks like an elf, but with black bat wings, red eyes, and numerous grafts. He has no protections up, but you then get the feeling that he doesn't have them because he doesn't need them. He then says to you all:} Silmarien, Good cannot exist without Evil. One without the other destroys the balance of the world, and in turn, the world itself dies. This is not a threat, or a promise, but rather what I have seen happen before. Heed my words, or damn this world to oblivion. And Silmarien, it was not the true Asmodeus you fought, but rather the being he possesses to do his work. In truth, he is more powerful than any could ever imagine. {He then turns back through the gate and it closes.}
Dyne 11-13-04, 04:17 PM	"The Half-Elven Foundation and the Guild of Evil have declared war on one another. Quickly, we must flock to the aid of our allies, the Half-Elves, and rid the world of this menace." Thanks sil. It was mostly Augudo and Dyne though. I just put a few words in here and there. Don't forget Von Crown. He did much of the work, including the history of the Shield of Light. "My spys have reported that the Guild of Ultimate Evil has made a pact and allyship with the Risen Dead Foundation. I saw this coming and we must brace areself against these foul beasts who claim themeselves people." "If your spies just discovered this recently, then they are defunctional. The Risen Dead Foundation and the Guild of Ultimate Evil declared openly their alliance some time ago." :P ;)
Agudo Archmage 11-13-04, 10:06 PM	Silmarien Aldalome Well done with the Artifact - that was *great* teamwork. About its intelligence I am Ashaemorech The Shield of Light!! I remember the day I did battle with Asmodius. I was ablaze with Divine power from the Beyond - and I burned brigthly on the Battlefield and Asmodius and his Darkness struck me again and again. Still I recall the sound of his dark metal - as it clanged in the night airs and still I smell Asmodius's stench and see his eyes staring in wrath. For his anger at my betrayal of Darkness knew no bounds. Who holds me! What are you! I sense Half-Elves, Archmages and a Great Council of Good beings. I am pleased! We must prepare for war! The Darkness Returns... Do not betray the Good of the world! For if you do, I will burn you so that your hand ever after feels my fires - even as I battled Asmodius many thousands of years ago. I will be the Voice of the Artifact......and you its wielders..... We need to think about how it will be introduced, which means we need to think about how the rules of GWar guide the introduction of Artifacts....(meta thread). The voice of the Shield of Light is here by Silmarien Aldalome :rimshot: Fab story post as well Sil THASIS Thanks sil. It was mostly Augdo and Dyne though. I just put a few words in here and there. Also, I like your voice thing about fighting Asmedeous. I actualy have a funny story about Asmedeous but it would be better suited for the Guild of Ultimate Evil disscussion Dont be shy thasis ya did alot as well....take a bow. :bow: DYNE Don't forget Von Crown. He did much of the work, including the history of the Shield of Light. Second that for Von Crown! :thumbsup: Agudo shuts his leather bound book, as he hears about the evil that is openly mocking good. He walks up to the other Good Archmages in the guild and speaks. This must not go on! As the leaders in Arcane Arts of this Realm of the Good. We must relpy to the Evil filth that has bad mouths are good name! What do my fellow Mages say?"
Dyne 11-13-04, 11:31 PM	He walks up to the other Good Archmages in the guild and speaks. This must not go on! As the leaders in Arcane Arts of this Realm of the Good. We must relpy to the Evil filth that has bad mouths are good name! What do my fellow Mages say?" I think I'm the only other Archmage in the Guild of Good, and I'm already involved in the conflict between the Half-Elven Foundation and the Guild of Ultimate Evil, if that's what you're referring to.
Agudo Archmage 11-13-04, 11:51 PM	OOC yes well I wasn’t sure of everyone Titles. Sooooo I gave it my best shot. :embarrass As far as being already involved…… Agudo nods his head at Dyne and smile. “Glad to hear that you have set forth the tone of our response brave Mage May you to be the first to slay the evil and the honor of doing so”
Demonfey 11-13-04, 11:58 PM	The arena is now open for business.
thasis 11-14-04, 11:12 AM	"All I have to say is thank you all for helping the Guild of Pure Good create the wonderfull Shield of Light. It is a amazing artifact and it shows that we are using true teamwork. Congragliations to all (horrible spelling I know)."
Chosen of the Dark Sun 11-22-04, 11:00 PM	A hobgoblin with golden skin and vividly draconic features stalks forward. "I humbly request entry into this noble order that I might better fight against the Corruption."
Dyne 11-22-04, 11:06 PM	A man in heavy plate armor wearing a purple cloak and a white surcoat with the royal crest of Cormyr enters the Guild of Pure Good. "Hello, my friends. For those who do not know me, I am Helm Dundragon, Knight of the Purple Dragons of Cormyr. How fair things here?" I've been away from the Guild of Pure Good for awhile. What's going on here now?
thasis 11-22-04, 11:59 PM	@Dark Sun Your in. More people to fight evil is always great. @Dyne "We welcome you back into these walls warrior of justice. Right now nothing much is realy going on. We have just finished the Shield of Light and thats were we left of. We should start up another project. Any ideas fellow comrades of justice"
Agudo Archmage 11-23-04, 12:31 AM	Well now that we have basked in the glow of are work in the making of the Shield of Light Perhaps something to go with the Shield….. Breastplate Armor? Sword? Mace? Bracers? The Wizard of Light happily looks up from his reading by the stained glass window. To see two new gentleman inter the caverns halls of the guild. “By the Light welcome all! I have heard good deeds of the Purple Dragons of Cormyr. Standing Agudo gives a polite bow. Hail and well met! Sir Helm Dundragon honorable Knight. Then with a quizzical wink, he nods to the winged hobgoblin with golden skin. “Well aren’t you a first! I don’t believe I have ever met goodly Hobgoblin. What prey tell has led you to the Light?”
Silmarien Aldalome 11-23-04, 05:21 AM	Hi everyone. Great to see the posts! Don't think for a moment that not posting here for a week means anything other than - "Ready Action" *grins* Silmarien, Good cannot exist without Evil Sil scribes seven iridescent Symbols, suspended in the airs, and a shimmering field of blue appears, bounded by the Seven Symbols. Demonfey's face appears in the field of magic, glaring out from the Shadow Plane of the Guild of Evil..... She rearranges the folds of her robles, whilst removing one hand from the Runestaff, and she extends her free hand in a warding gesture. Her palm is a gesture of Forbiddance. A warning not to transgress - and her body language signals readyness - as would a panther ready to pounce at the first sign of trouble. "Good people know this, Demonfey. It is just that their Darker aspects are not their masters. For - to know "threat" or to know "violence" - requires knowledge. However...." and she rises suddenly - and *clicks* the heel of the Runestaff on the chamber floor, and she explodes into blue radiance - her voice transformed into PluriPotency "...WHAT does how powerful Azmodius or any other Daemon for that matter - be they the Skygge Abomination, the crawling Shadows that haunt Realmspace or otherwise - have to do with whether or not we shall endeavour to protect the world from Harm! Shall we cower, craven and broken, in Shar's dark caves simply because we face dire peril! In an eruption of blue - she propels a blast into the heavens - sprinkling the airs with silveryblue twinkling stars. She kneels before the Artifact. "Speak to us, Oh, Ashaemorech and Shield of Light!! GUIDE us - bring us courage and bring us forebearance. Bring us greatness and bring us humility. Let us walk by thine side and help us to know truth and beauty. In all the Dark Places of the World - be with us - and may thine light forever Hallow the grounds beneath our feet" There is an eruption of silvery-white light from the Artifact. A Voice resonates with deep baritones. And it finds you no matter who you are and it speaks directly to you. I can see you! I can hear you! And I have come to you for a reason. Will you endure the stench of evil. I can smell the Skygge. It is nigh upon you and it snaps with its fanged, rotten mouth at the heels of your feet. I have seen the fell, burning eyes of Malice in the Daemon - yellow and fell - and the leering of its corruption - the Wrong - that haunts Realmspace. The Shadow comes to envelop the earth and it knows no mercy. It will come to you when you are alone. And - heed - you will be carried to the giant Skygge Skull - that haunts Realmspace, where alone you will be pounded with the beating will of corruption. A vision appears before you, of a giant floating skull, with fanged teeth that erupt with black lightning. Within the skull - evil spirits sit poised, waiting to invade the innocent at first opportunity. Ashaemorech's voice rises to a crescendo. HEED ME!! It MUST be STOPPED! I must be claimed and Wielded. Who is the Warrior amongst you. Who will claim me to Wield me - and bear me forth to the final battle - where we shall vanquish Darkness!! CLAIM ME! A wave of appeal - a radiant aura - crosses all space and time to reach out. Ashaemorech and Shield of Light seeks a Champion! Who will claim the sword
thasis 11-23-04, 09:51 AM	"I am myself a cleric of the holy causes. I would be honered to hold this sword in the name of light, but... I don't agree with this fight against the Guild of Ultimate Evil. As good people we should keep to are word. We said we wouldn't strike the first blow opon them so I intend not to, but... I will hold this sword in the name of light in defense apon are holy chamber and when the time comes for war we I will weild it against the champions of evil"
Demonfey 11-23-04, 03:43 PM	Hi everyone. Great to see the posts! Don't think for a moment that not posting here for a week means anything other than - "Ready Action" *grins* Sil scribes seven iridescent Symbols, suspended in the airs, and a shimmering field of blue appears, bounded by the Seven Symbols. Demonfey's face appears in the field of magic, glaring out from the Shadow Plane of the Guild of Evil..... She rearranges the folds of her robles, whilst removing one hand from the Runestaff, and she extends her free hand in a warding gesture. Her palm is a gesture of Forbiddance. A warning not to transgress - and her body language signals readyness - as would a panther ready to pounce at the first sign of trouble. "Good people know this, Demonfey. It is just that their Darker aspects are not their masters. For - to know "threat" or to know "violence" - requires knowledge. However...." and she rises suddenly - and *clicks* the heel of the Runestaff on the chamber floor, and she explodes into blue radiance - her voice transformed into PluriPotency "...WHAT does how powerful Azmodius or any other Daemon for that matter - be they the Skygge Abomination, the crawling Shadows that haunt Realmspace or otherwise - have to do with whether or not we shall endeavour to protect the world from Harm! Shall we cower, craven and broken, in Shar's dark caves simply because we face dire peril! In an eruption of blue - she propels a blast into the heavens - sprinkling the airs with silveryblue twinkling stars. She kneels before the Artifact. "Speak to us, Oh, Ashaemorech and Shield of Light!! GUIDE us - bring us courage and bring us forebearance. Bring us greatness and bring us humility. Let us walk by thine side and help us to know truth and beauty. In all the Dark Places of the World - be with us - and may thine light forever Hallow the grounds beneath our feet" There is an eruption of silvery-white light from the Artifact. A Voice resonates with deep baritones. And it finds you no matter who you are and it speaks directly to you. I can see you! I can hear you! And I have come to you for a reason. Will you endure the stench of evil. I can smell the Skygge. It is nigh upon you and it snaps with its fanged, rotten mouth at the heels of your feet. I have seen the fell, burning eyes of Malice in the Daemon - yellow and fell - and the leering of its corruption - the Wrong - that haunts Realmspace. The Shadow comes to envelop the earth and it knows no mercy. It will come to you when you are alone. And - heed - you will be carried to the giant Skygge Skull - that haunts Realmspace, where alone you will be pounded with the beating will of corruption. A vision appears before you, of a giant floating skull, with fanged teeth that erupt with black lightning. Within the skull - evil spirits sit poised, waiting to invade the innocent at first opportunity. Ashaemorech's voice rises to a crescendo. HEED ME!! It MUST be STOPPED! I must be claimed and Wielded. Who is the Warrior amongst you. Who will claim me to Wield me - and bear me forth to the final battle - where we shall vanquish Darkness!! CLAIM ME! A wave of appeal - a radiant aura - crosses all space and time to reach out. Ashaemorech and Shield of Light seeks a Champion! Who will claim the sword You took my words out of context. I merely said that you can't have one without the other. I never said that you couldn't fight, or should cower before it, but rather admit that it is there for a reason.
Dyne 11-24-04, 06:57 PM	We have a sword now? "Thasis the Good, may the Sword and Shield serve you faithfully. For, when the time comes, they will prove vital in our fight. As long as you remain a servant of the Light, I will lend to you my sword in whatever fight you decide."
thasis 11-24-04, 07:32 PM	"Your words are inspiring. Now let us prepare for the delaided battle between us and the Guild of Ultimate Evil"
Dyne 11-24-04, 07:35 PM	"Your words are inspiring. Now let us prepare for the delaided battle between us and the Guild of Ultimate Evil" "I am ready to serve. I have tried to tolerate these vile creatures, but I will not endure their murders and abominations. I will soon do battle against one of their most powerful warriors, the monster called Droga. Once he is disposed of, the Purple Dragons will use the wealth acquired to make ready for war against the Guild of Ultimate Evil."
Demonfey 11-24-04, 08:21 PM	Once again, just leave me out of it.
Dyne 11-24-04, 08:23 PM	Once again, just leave me out of it. If you don't want to be part of the fighting, we'll leave your character alone. Guys, are we gonna wait for the Guild of Ultimate Evil to attack? Or will we attack first? If we said that we would only attack in retaliation, I think we should keep our word.
Demonfey 11-24-04, 08:24 PM	I'm just going to voice a personal opinion: Wait for the evil ones to attack. If you attack first, and they haven't done anything, then you have committed an evil action. I'm pretty sure that is what the Book of Exalted Deeds says in some part.
thasis 11-24-04, 08:59 PM	"That was my thought in the first place. We should keep are word and attack them in retaliation. I don't know how long it will take them to get enough courage to fight back at us though. We are at a heavy advantage. We have more people in this guild (at least active) and more allies. The allies we have are more powerfull then the Guild of Ultimate Evil's allys to. I think that they will try to slink in the shadows as long as possible. Thats what villans do in weak states. I should know. *shakes his head* I remember all to well the times when I was a fould abomination just like them. Thank the gods that I converted to the faith of good."
Demonfey 11-24-04, 09:07 PM	I just had a thought. Thasis, are you now a half skygge/half celestial? Or are you still a half celestial pitfiend?
Dyne 11-24-04, 10:23 PM	I just had a thought. Thasis, are you now a half skygge/half celestial? Or are you still a half celestial pitfiend? Too many half-breeds.... Getting headache.... *groan* Oh well, I shouldn't really talk, since I'm a member of the Half-Elven Foundation.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 11-24-04, 11:12 PM	Yeah, and I'm a half-gold dragon ready for some righteous ***wuppin'! :fight!:
thasis 11-25-04, 09:35 AM	Ya, I guess your right. I'm a half-celestial Skygge. Thats some insane stuff. What sort of ECL is that?
Demonfey 11-25-04, 10:09 AM	No clue. What ECL is the Skygge elder, and then add the half celestial.
Droga 11-25-04, 11:12 AM	Half Celestial Skygge Elder would have an ECL of 16
Agudo Archmage 11-25-04, 11:17 AM	So I take it were just waiting around to be attack? We have a shield and from what I read a sword now. Why not do something with it?
Chosen of the Dark Sun 11-25-04, 01:07 PM	Who believes them themself powerful enough to defeat Droga in a battle to the death with the blade and shield? Perhaps they would give us the edge we need to destroy the monstosity.
Demonfey 11-25-04, 01:08 PM	Wow. Good thasis would have the same ECL as Droga at the moment.
Holy_Man 11-25-04, 02:12 PM	As I favor the paladin class i would like to ask to become a member in this guild, I think that I would make a very good contribution to the guild, though I havent made a character yet (I'm still deciding between good cleric or paladin.)
thasis 11-25-04, 10:54 PM	****. I can't have more then a 15 ECL. Unless... :D
Chosen of the Dark Sun 11-25-04, 10:56 PM	****. I can't have more then a 15 ECL. Unless... :D Oh, goody... :waits: :(
Dyne 11-25-04, 11:03 PM	So I take it were just waiting around to be attack? We have a shield and from what I read a sword now. Why not do something with it? In-Game, we don't actually possess any artifacts yet. Nobody can use the artifacts they have created. We still need to come up with rules for these items in the Metathread.
Dyne 11-25-04, 11:04 PM	Who believes them themself powerful enough to defeat Droga in a battle to the death with the blade and shield? Perhaps they would give us the edge we need to destroy the monstosity. Bren might be able to defeat Droga anyway. With the sword (what the heck are its stats?) and shield, he would win easily.
Droga 11-25-04, 11:06 PM	Thats what.... the fourth time you've said that Dyne?
Dyne 11-25-04, 11:14 PM	Thats what.... the fourth time you've said that Dyne? No. This is Bren I'm talking about, a new character I just made. I was merely saying that he has a chance of beating your character (and my other characters had a chance too). With the Shield of Light, my character would become a lot more powerful. But, we're not gonna use artifacts yet. So, I'm biding my time, waiting until Bren is ready to face you in combat, to avenge his father, and to destroy one of the most evil creatures alive. So far, you're the biggest challenge for my character. If Bren can defeat Droga, he would be the reigning champion of the arena.
Dyne 11-26-04, 12:30 AM	A man enters the Guild of Pure Good. He wears hooded robes of emerald green, and he leans on a wooden staff. "I am Dyne, a loyal member of the Guild of Pure Good. I must speak with Thasis concerning the Political Stance of the Council of Archmages with the Guild of Good and the Guild of Evil."
thasis 11-26-04, 09:19 AM	Thasis crawls across the ceiling and then falls to the ground landing like nothing happened. "I am here. What is it you need?"
Dyne 11-26-04, 12:21 PM	Thasis crawls across the ceiling and then falls to the ground landing like nothing happened. "I am here. What is it you need?" "It involves our political stance toward the Guild of Pure Good and the Guild of Ultimate Evil. It is with regret that I bring you a message. "As a foundation, the Council of Archmages hereby declares an alliance between the Council and the Guild of Ultimate Evil. In the instance that the Guild of Pure Good and the Guild of Ultimate Evil declare war on one another, the Council of Archmages will actively support neither side, and will rather stay neutral in the conflicts between Good and Evil, as the Council being Neutral. This applies to any circumstance in which two allies of the Council make war, one with another, that the Council will not become actively involved in the war." I regret that the Council as a whole cannot support the Guild of Pure Good and the Half-Elven Foundation. Certain members of the Council are also members and supporters of the Guild of Ultimate Evil, so they disagree with the Council opposing their foundation. However, members of the Council of Archmages are granted their choice to support either side in the instance of a war. If the Guild of Pure Good goes to war against the Guild of Ultimate Evil, Archmages may rush to the aid of either side. HOWEVER, Archmages are bound in no way to harm another Archmage, even if they are of the opposing side, except in self-defense. It is forbidden. Do you understand and accept these terms?"
Dyne 11-27-04, 12:41 AM	Do we have stats for that sword yet? I have seen none.
Dyne 11-29-04, 10:30 PM	:bump: Since we have yet to come up with stats for that sword, I think that should be our next project.
ChaosEvoker 11-29-04, 10:33 PM	The Sun Elf, Racanath, enters the Guild of Pure Good. He looks around approvingly. "I wish to join in your ranks. I am a wizard of no small talent, and would actively help this guild, if you would have me."
Dyne 11-29-04, 11:00 PM	ChaosEvoker, can you change your dialogue text to a different color? It's starting to get annoying that I can't see it with my background, so I have to highlight it constantly.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 11-29-04, 11:03 PM	And it seriously hurts my eyes to even read it.
ChaosEvoker 11-29-04, 11:04 PM	Sorry, hmmm.... "Do you find this to be better?"
Dyne 11-29-04, 11:05 PM	Sorry, hmmm.... "Do you find this to be better?" Much better. Thanks.
Demonfey 12-01-04, 08:37 PM	Are you planning to participate in the war between the GoUE and the HEF?
Mr_GrinReaper 12-02-04, 06:10 PM	A tall, aasimar who seems to be radiating beauty, waltzs in, holding an exquisite harp and smiling brightly. He speaks in a prefect voice, in a way that makes you hang on to every word, seeming to drip honey from his lips. "Hello, your eloquence, I have heard of this orginization and desire to join, for i am a child decended many generations from a Solar angel, as you can see."
Demonfey 12-02-04, 06:16 PM	{Crowley, the half demon/elf crossbreed walks in. He turns to you.} I am here representing the Children of the Planes. I wish to try and get as many allies as possible for the foundation, and since I am even asking you, my polar opposites, please consider my offer.
thasis 12-03-04, 05:49 PM	"An intressting proposal, but why should we ally with are polar opisites? There is no point."
Dyne 12-03-04, 05:59 PM	"An intressting proposal, but why should we ally with are polar opisites? There is no point." "Crowley is the polar opposite of everyone in this guild, but that doesn't mean that all of the Children of the Planes are. I am certain that there are also members of that foundation that are good. But, we should look into it. We don't want an ally that will weigh us down in the political arena."
Agudo Archmage 12-03-04, 08:06 PM	Thasis "An intressting proposal, but why should we ally with are polar opisites? There is no point." Dyne "Crowley is the polar opposite of everyone in this guild, but that doesn't mean that all of the Children of the Planes are. I am certain that there are also members of that foundation that are good. But, we should look into it. We don't want an ally that will weigh us down in the political arena." My fellow friends of Righteousness and Goodness. Let us be weary of Evil in sheep’s clothing. Tempting us with offers of friendship yet plotting are downfall I for one ask us not to be lolled into the false diseption of Neutrality. As the holders of the banner of Good. We must be pro active in hunting down Evil in all its Gray forms
Von Crown 12-03-04, 09:30 PM	Just like to point out- I think you would want to be wary, not weary. Also, I think a little man jumped into my head, because I just thought "Why not make a character for the Guild of Pure Good." This is a first for me. I have never made a good charatcer before. So I would like some pointers. AND DON'T SAY "MAKE A PALADIN"! I have enough of those chasing me across the planes as it is. I'm actually thinking about making a monk, 'cuz monks are cool but no-one I've seen so far is playing on. And trust me, this character will be weird!
thasis 12-03-04, 10:10 PM	Well good for you. Starting up a good character. This character on the forums is the first and only good character I've ever played. On your character, I would suggest Cleric. They are pretty universal and provide alot of oppurtunitys for being good with out tying you down like the palidin does. Monks are to Neutrulistic to be good but there are alway exceptions.
Von Crown 12-03-04, 10:18 PM	Well, there's an organization where Mordred's from that basically always follows him around and is constantly trying to thwart him. It consits mainly of monks, or multiclass monk-clerics (Monastic training feat in Ebberon Campaign Setting allows monks to multiclass without restriction), so I figured they'd probably send one here (He is up to something, I'll tell you that). So maybe a Multiclass?
thasis 12-03-04, 10:25 PM	Sounds like a asome idea.
Von Crown 12-03-04, 10:26 PM	I'll start working on it
thasis 12-03-04, 10:30 PM	K, if you need any help just ask here.
Dyne 12-03-04, 10:32 PM	There is quite a commotion going on at the Sovereign Throne. Perhaps some of you would like to check it out. What happens there could very much affect how important events play out.
Demonfey 12-03-04, 11:34 PM	Thasis Dyne My fellow friends of Righteousness and Goodness. Let us be weary of Evil in sheep’s clothing. Tempting us with offers of friendship yet plotting are downfall I for one ask us not to be lolled into the false diseption of Neutrality. As the holders of the banner of Good. We must be pro active in hunting down Evil in all its Gray forms Actually, the aasimar is a member. We don't care about good or evil, but rather the unity of outsiders that are part mortal and part immortal.
Von Crown 12-04-04, 12:10 AM	A robed figure walks up to the front gates, and a strange sort of singing is heard. As you look outside, you can see that he is gesturing to be let in.
thasis 12-04-04, 12:13 AM	"Come in and Join are holy ranks VonCrown". With that he opens the doors to the chambers.
Von Crown 12-04-04, 12:28 AM	Note- you don't know this guy has any connection at all with Mordred The robed figure enters, and lowers it's hood. His hair is tied into a topknot, and he has comically large and bushy eyebrows. He makes a gesture towards himself, than makes a sereis of fairly low, booming notes forming a simple Allegro. He then gestures towards you, makes an gesture that seems to indicate calling, then places one hand over his mouth and raises one finger up in the air.
thasis 12-04-04, 01:27 AM	I C. This seems a little strange. Whatever. "Hello being. From were do you dwell and what is your goal here at my holy guild."
Von Crown 12-04-04, 01:43 AM	He once again places his hand over his mouth. He seems to be attempting to convey something. OOC- I don't want to spoil all the fun, but I'll tell you this- he has the extraplanar subtype
thasis 12-04-04, 01:54 AM	Does he like speak in a weird languge or something?
Agudo Archmage 12-04-04, 02:18 AM	Von Crown Just like to point out- I think you would want to be wary, not weary. Ahh Fee fie foe fum...I smell the blood of an Englishmen/Major... ;) Or is it the Archmage of English :D Just good fun Von Crown. I think its great your making a Good Char. They are more fun than evil Chars. You get to do more with Good Chars.
Demonfey 12-04-04, 09:51 AM	Not really. You are restricted to have to do what is good, otherwise in certain classes you lose the ability to use powers.
Von Crown 12-04-04, 01:55 PM	He one again covers his mouth and shakes his head. He then indicates himself with his thumb and hums an allegro in D minor. He then indicates himself again and makes a sound that goes somewhat like "Buomm"
Demonfey 12-05-04, 07:54 PM	{Crowley, who is waiting for your answer to the alliance, looks at the new person, and laughs at the puzzlement of the good beings surrounding him.} He's a buomman, a humanoid hailing from the astral plane. They have a specialized vow of silence, where they can only communicate through musical notes. That note he just hummed is likely his name. Sorry, Von Crown, but I couldn't resist not telling them.
Dyne 12-05-04, 07:56 PM	{Crowley, who is waiting for your answer to the alliance, looks at the new person, and laughs at the puzzlement of the good beings surrounding him.} He's a buomman, a humanoid hailing from the astral plane. They have a specialized vow of silence, where they can only communicate through musical notes. That note he just hummed is likely his name. Sorry, Von Crown, but I couldn't resist not telling them. It's Allegro in D Minor, right? He already posted his name at the Player Character and Statistics Thread.
Von Crown 12-06-04, 07:58 PM	Allegro grins, glad they finally figured it out. He thinks for a bit, then indicates himself, thengoes and stands next to some other people, then points at the guild building. Sorry, Von Crown, but I couldn't resist not telling them. Do you mean you couldn't resist telling them? If you couldn't resist not telling them, then they wouldn't know yet, most likely ;)
Demonfey 12-06-04, 08:02 PM	Do you mean you couldn't resist telling them? If you couldn't resist not telling them, then they wouldn't know yet, most likely Sorry. My grammar slipped a bit in that post. I believe you would be a welcome member of the Children of the Planes. If you show interest, nod.
Von Crown 12-06-04, 08:34 PM	He tilts his head to think, but shakes his head no. He then points to himself, but a bit to the right, scowls, and begins kicking the earth to the right
Demonfey 12-06-04, 08:48 PM	Maybe a notepad would make things easier. Would you like one?
Von Crown 12-06-04, 08:57 PM	He shakes his head no, but picks up a nearby stick and writes <I wood like to join your gild> in large, poorly made letters
Demonfey 12-06-04, 08:59 PM	Don't talk to me about it, then. I am here to seek alliances for a guild I have apparently been left running at the moment, and currently awaiting an answer. Also, I may regret mentioning this, but I may have met your brother recently. Is his name Toccata in D Minor, by any chance?
Von Crown 12-06-04, 09:03 PM	Allegro's head snaps up suddenly. He takes the stick and writes <heer?>
Demonfey 12-06-04, 09:07 PM	On this plane. I guess you don't get along. I also guess from what he says that you are like the symbols yin and yang, which are two opposing forces that make up the world and must exist together.
Von Crown 12-06-04, 09:18 PM	Taking the stick again, he writes- <YEs. but he wasn't always so bad... It's all the blasted emporor's falt...>
Demonfey 12-06-04, 09:20 PM	Mordred? He's not a bad guy, once you get to know him...
Von Crown 12-06-04, 09:24 PM	his hands begin to tremble and the stick breaks in his hand. Taking one half he writes- <Perhaps you do not know him as well as you think you do>
Demonfey 12-06-04, 09:27 PM	I just look for the type of person who doesn't wish me harm or death, which seems to be such a rare commodity these days...Anyway, even though he is evil, and probably has done unjust things to the buomman, but all rulers at some point must do things that are unpopular.
Von Crown 12-06-04, 09:35 PM	His nerve was wearing thin, it seems now to have snapped "UNPOPULAR! UNPOPULAR! WHEN HE TOOK OVER, THERE WERE VAMPIRES AND DEVILS EVERYWHERE!... It was horrible... *takes one point of wisdom damage*
Demonfey 12-06-04, 09:39 PM	His nerve was wearing thin, it seems now to have snapped "UNPOPULAR! UNPOPULAR! WHEN HE TOOK OVER, THERE WERE VAMPIRES AND DEVILS EVERYWHERE!... It was horrible... *takes one point of wisdom damage* Then why are you talking to one of demonic heritage about him? Here. Take it. {Hands him a note pad and a writing utensil.} Calm down. Relax, relax...now, I don't know what he has done to you, and I know that I can do nothing about it. What's done is done, and at least you know that your brother is here. Write it, if you feel like it. This is a gift to you.
Von Crown 12-06-04, 09:54 PM	<Seeing my brother will do me no good. He and our younger brother Fugue went over to Mordred despite the Elder's teachings as soon as he offered them the power. I would speak to you of him because I seek to show you the terrible injustices that he has commited>
Demonfey 12-06-04, 10:01 PM	<Seeing my brother will do me no good. He and our younger brother Fugue went over to Mordred despite the Elder's teachings as soon as he offered them the power. I would speak to you of him because I seek to show you the terrible injustices that he has commited> I, too, have commited my share of evil, unfortunately. I also happen to get along with devils. They are the ones you should petition. {He points to the members.}
MoronPunisher 12-06-04, 10:06 PM	A human walks into the guild. He stands a little on the tall side with blueish eyes and brownish hair. He's dressed unusually light for the weather, leather and wood sandals, simple durable pants, a blue almost sleevless shirt with a design that looks a lot like an ice crystal, a satchel for spell componests and gear, and what looks kinda like thin gnomish eye protection with the eyepieces currently over his forehead. His skin looks like he's in the early stages of hypothermia but he doesn't seem to be bothered by it. He looks at the piece of paper in his hand, looks around, seems satisfied, and crumbles the paper into his satchel. "Hi. My name is Archibald DePyre and I'm looking for the Guild of Pure Good. Is this it?" He gathers confidence. "Here's the deal. I just found out that a girl I had a fling with a while back had a son and we're pretty sure it's mine but he has a, shall we say, medical condition. I was wondering if I could trade some magical support for a little help finding a cure?" Hey guys. New guy here, I think it's okay to join more then one guild at a time but I want to check. That and I like the philosophy and crap, that and the guild wars look fun. Here's my cold mage, his story is in the Character Description but I'm working on making his magic items a little more 15 level appropriate. In other words, WAZZUP!?! [Outdated cultural references activated.]
Demonfey 12-06-04, 10:14 PM	A human walks into the guild. He stands a little on the tall side with blueish eyes and brownish hair. He's dressed unusually light for the weather, leather and wood sandals, simple durable pants, a blue almost sleevless shirt with a design that looks a lot like an ice crystal, a satchel for spell componests and gear, and what looks kinda like thin gnomish eye protection with the eyepieces currently over his forehead. His skin looks like he's in the early stages of hypothermia but he doesn't seem to be bothered by it. He looks at the piece of paper in his hand, looks around, seems satisfied, and crumbles the paper into his satchel. "Hi. My name is Archibald DePyre and I'm looking for the Guild of Pure Good. Is this it?" He gathers confidence. "Here's the deal. I just found out that a girl I had a fling with a while back had a son and we're pretty sure it's mine but he has a, shall we say, medical condition. I was wondering if I could trade some magical support for a little help finding a cure?" Hey guys. New guy here, I think it's okay to join more then one guild at a time but I want to check. That and I like the philosophy and crap, that and the guild wars look fun. Here's my cold mage, his story is in the Character Description but I'm working on making his magic items a little more 15 level appropriate. In other words, WAZZUP!?! [Outdated cultural references activated.] {Crowley's eye begins to twitch on the words "Cold mage".} :twitch:
MoronPunisher 12-06-04, 11:21 PM	Fortunatly, nobody said Cold Mage so Crowley's eyes have yet to twitch.
thasis 12-07-04, 05:59 PM	Welcome MoronPunisher. Nice to see more members. On the joining more then one guild thing, absouloutly. I had the same problem when I first started hanging out here at the Guild House. I didn't know about the rules and if you can join more then one guild and such. Now I'm in practically every guild. It's pretty insane.
Demonfey 12-07-04, 07:01 PM	Hello? Anyone want to make an alliance with the CotP?
MoronPunisher 12-07-04, 10:23 PM	Sure, if they are good.
Demonfey 12-08-04, 07:38 PM	They take everyone who is an outsider in, good, evil, and in between. I am the current head, until more old members come back.
thasis 12-09-04, 09:52 AM	Demonfay is primarlly evil. I don't think we should ally with the CoP. We have better people to ally with at the time. I say lets keep to guilds dedicated to good and guild that have no evil members.
MoronPunisher 12-09-04, 01:10 PM	Then I retract my original position. YAY GOODNESS! :w00t:
Demonfey 12-09-04, 06:01 PM	Is it my fault if people enjoy playing evil outsiders? Then a treaty saying you won't attack if we don't. Is that okay?
thasis 12-09-04, 07:38 PM	That sounds good. Thats what I like to do. Plus the GoPG dosn't attack other guilds first. We will fight viciouly if we are attacked though. :D
Dyne 12-09-04, 08:08 PM	Demonfay is primarlly evil. I don't think we should ally with the CoP. We have better people to ally with at the time. I say lets keep to guilds dedicated to good and guild that have no evil members. I suppose that's true. But I'm getting a little tired of people making huge decisions (like going to war) based solely on someone's alignment. I find it pretty ridiculous that people just look at someone's character sheet and say "Oh no, he's evil! I'm not allying with you, then," especially when their character wouldn't be able to detect alignments anyway. I'm thinking on changing the rules for detecting alignments in my upcoming game that I'm gonna run. Spells will no longer detect evil alignments per se, but positive energy, negative energy, chaotic energy, and lawful energy (basically as magical auras). It should get rid of alignment wars and make things more political, instead of "I'm good and you're evil, so I kill you and ally with that stupid guy over there who is supposedly good."
thasis 12-09-04, 09:56 PM	I quite agree with your concept. I think alignment is to restrictive. I still don't think we should ally with the CoP though. They are primarly evil and they don't seem like people who would agree with are philosphys. I will not however start a war with people for no reason.
Demonfey 12-09-04, 09:59 PM	I quite agree with your concept. I think alignment is to restrictive. I still don't think we should ally with the CoP though. They are primarly evil and they don't seem like people who would agree with are philosphys. I will not however start a war with people for no reason. Actually, there aren't as many evil characters this time around. I'm one, there is a half-fiend (questionable), the aasimar in your group, Timothae (psion, believed neutral), and of course a few boys from Von Crown, as representatives for the Risen Dead.
Dyne 12-09-04, 10:02 PM	I'm not sure of everyone that is a member of the CotP, but I don't think it favors any alignment. Even good outsiders could join it. I have a Tiefling Warlock that I might run for the IFWG, and he's CN. I don't see why we couldn't be allies. The only thing that would really come of it is an exchange of knowledge and resources, and that is always helpful. I may be good ("I" referring to Dyne), but I'm always in pursuit of knowledge.
Demonfey 12-09-04, 10:11 PM	I'm not sure of everyone that is a member of the CotP, but I don't think it favors any alignment. Even good outsiders could join it. I have a Tiefling Warlock that I might run for the IFWG, and he's CN. I don't see why we couldn't be allies. The only thing that would really come of it is an exchange of knowledge and resources, and that is always helpful. I may be good ("I" referring to Dyne), but I'm always in pursuit of knowledge. One of the characters here besides me is actually a member. I believe it's Mr_Grinreaper's character here.
thasis 12-09-04, 10:15 PM	I will only consider allying them if the guilds stays neutrul in the eventual battle between the GoPG and the GoUE
Demonfey 12-09-04, 10:17 PM	I will only consider allying them if the guilds stays neutrul in the eventual battle between the GoPG and the GoUE That's what I am trying to push for. An alliance of the CotP and the GoPG and GoUE would keep the guild itself neutral and give neutral ground for any possible negotiations.
thasis 12-09-04, 11:18 PM	Ahh... but I'm guessing that you Demonfay will still be fighting against the GoPG with the GoUE.
Dyne 12-09-04, 11:44 PM	Ahh... but I'm guessing that you Demonfay will still be fighting against the GoPG with the GoUE. In my opinion, you cannot judge a foundation based on one of its members, even if the member is the leader.
Von Crown 12-09-04, 11:46 PM	Thasis is merely saying that he is sure Crowley himself will probably fight on the side of the GoUE... I think...
Agudo Archmage 12-10-04, 12:33 AM	The KEY WORD is (PURE GOOD) So in that understanding I must agree that this Guild not allow evil in any form. Be it an Ally or Neutral….. We of the PURE GOOD must stamp out all evil. That is the whole point and I must say that Dyne may be Chaotic Good and seek knowledge in any form. But that does not mean the Lawful Good, shall seek or listen to “knowledge of evil” in its guild. Let us stand strong and send all temptation of evil friendship away!
thasis 12-10-04, 09:47 AM	@Dyne I didn't mean I was judging the guild by one member. I was just confirming if Demonfay himeself was going to fight for the GoUE. @Agudo I think sir you are a little to fanatical. I say we should make not a allyship but a treaty of peace just to say that we won't fight each other.
Demonfey 12-10-04, 03:15 PM	In my opinion, you cannot judge a foundation based on one of its members, even if the member is the leader. Temporary leader. Thasis is merely saying that he is sure Crowley himself will probably fight on the side of the GoUE... I think... I'm more of my own side...
redhase 12-10-04, 06:27 PM	Evil is all around you Agudo Archmage, what you call good is your way of justifying your actions. Those who say a thing is evil, commit evil acts on others and justify it by saying its good! Evil is as evil does good is as good does! How do you define evil or good! I have to leave now a Harper winch is screaming to be tortured!
Agudo Archmage 12-12-04, 12:16 AM	Thasis @Agudo I think sir you are a little to fanatical. I say we should make not a allyship but a treaty of peace just to say that we won't fight each other. Well Hello! Thats why they call it (Lawful Good) AKA Fanatical ;) Now honorable Thasis, you have led this guild to be of Pure Good. Not just OK Good, Or Mostly Good…..”PURE” And that is why all that is Pure should stamp out evil and all its forms. Surely I am not saying we cannot be merciful, to those who turn from the darkness and enter into the Light. Let it not be said that the Guild of Pure Good is not compassionate on the Redeemed So once more I besiege thee O’ friend Thasis! Do not sign or verbally pledge peace between are guild and evil guilds. Or worse! A Non aggression pact between evil and Good For then we become the lowest of kind….. Neutral…. and do nothing but watch as darkness violates all that we hold close to are hearts. For then we the Guild of Pure Good, shall be nothing but a political puppet guild. Swayed by every kind word and trickery that comes from evil. Redhase Evil is all around you Agudo Archmage, what you call good is your way of justifying your actions. Those who say a thing is evil, commit evil acts on others and justify it by saying its good! Evil is as evil does good is as good does! How do you define evil or good! I have to leave now a Harper winch is screaming to be tortured! A voice of evil deception was uttered from the Crystal Ball near by on Agudo desk. He put down his history book and shook his head at such foolishness Ahh redhase From your wicked mouth you have asked the obvious! I Define Good- As (defending a virtues woman,) from the horror an evil hearted rapist. I Define Good- As (stopping the child sacrifice) too some false evil god. I Define Good- As (saving the slaves) out of the clutches of evil masters. I Define Good- As (rescuing the innocent) from a sick murderer. He sighed, then waved his hand at the swirling mass of evil that spoke from the Crystal Ball. As if signaling his dismissal of such filth. “I could go on ….But I doubt your wicked heart could grasp such Purity of Goodness"
Dyne 12-12-04, 12:19 AM	My idea of Pure Good was True Good, or Neutral Good. My character is Neutral Good, and he doesn't search out and destroy creatures, but he defends people from evil creatures.
Demonfey 12-12-04, 12:26 AM	Thasis Well Hello! Thats why they call it (Lawful Good) AKA Fanatical ;) Now honorable Thasis, you have led this guild to be of Pure Good. Not just OK Good, Or Mostly Good…..”PURE” And that is why all that is Pure should stamp out evil and all its forms. Surely I am not saying we cannot be merciful, to those who turn from the darkness and enter into the Light. Let it not be said that the Guild of Pure Good is not compassionate on the Redeemed So once more I besiege thee O’ friend Thasis! Do not sign or verbally pledge peace between are guild and evil guilds. Or worse! A Non aggression pact between evil and Good For then we become the lowest of kind….. Neutral…. and do nothing but watch as darkness violates all that we hold close to are hearts. For then we the Guild of Pure Good, shall be nothing but a political puppet guild. Swayed by every kind word and trickery that comes from evil. Redhase A voice of evil deception was uttered from the Crystal Ball near by on Agudo desk. He put down his history book and shook his head at such foolishness Ahh redhase From your wicked mouth you have asked the obvious! I Define Good- As (defending a virtues woman,) from the horror an evil hearted rapist. I Define Good- As (stopping the child sacrifice) too some false evil god. I Define Good- As (saving the slaves) out of the clutches of evil masters. I Define Good- As (rescuing the innocent) from a sick murderer. He sighed, then waved his hand at the swirling mass of evil that spoke from the Crystal Ball. As if signaling his dismissal of such filth. “I could go on ….But I doubt your wicked heart could grasp such Purity of Goodness" I have met those who have sacrificed the lives of countless others to do what they thought was good, many of those lives were of innocent bystanders, and those numbers included children. They were all like you. The ends will never justify the means, and you will never understand because your heart has never shown its dark side and its light side. Only when you have walked the paths of light and dark can you truly judge.
Dyne 12-12-04, 12:31 AM	I have met those who have sacrificed the lives of countless others to do what they thought was good, many of those lives were of innocent bystanders, and those numbers included children. They were all like you. The ends will never justify the means, and you will never understand because your heart has never shown its dark side and its light side. Only when you have walked the paths of light and dark can you truly judge. "I have never walked the path of the dark side, but I have treaded dangerously close to it in my youth." Dyne pauses, having memories flooding back to him. "I have seen enough of the dark side to know that it will never be worth it. And I have also seen the flaws of youngsters who wish to hold up the banner of good, but I condemn them not for their mistakes, for their intentions are pure and they will learn with experience."
Demonfey 12-12-04, 12:34 AM	"I have never walked the path of the dark side, but I have treaded dangerously close to it in my youth." Dyne pauses, having memories flooding back to him. "I have seen enough of the dark side to know that it will never be worth it. And I have also seen the flaws of youngsters who wish to hold up the banner of good, but I condemn them not for their mistakes, for their intentions are pure and they will learn with experience." I condemn those who relished in the mistakes they made, and repeated them willingly, all in the name of the "greater good". They hunted me, and killed entire towns to try and eliminate me. Good taken to an extreme is as evil as any act even Droga has committed.
Dyne 12-12-04, 12:37 AM	I condemn those who relished in the mistakes they made, and repeated them willingly, all in the name of the "greater good". They hunted me, and killed entire towns to try and eliminate me. "In these circumstances, there is no good. It is always more important to protect the lives of the innocent than to execute the lives of the guilty, for the guilty give up their lives for the protection of the innocent. Acting as such defeats the whole purpose."
Demonfey 12-12-04, 12:39 AM	"In these circumstances, there is no good. It is always more important to protect the lives of the innocent than to execute the lives of the guilty, for the guilty give up their lives for the protection of the innocent. Acting as such defeats the whole purpose." Good taken to an extreme can be as evil as any fiend.
Dyne 12-12-04, 12:42 AM	Good taken to an extreme can be as evil as any fiend. "If your example would be considered "Good taken to the extreme," then I suppose that is true. But I find nothing about those actions to be good. The ones who acted as such did not act in the name of goodness, but they were deceived by evil into believing that. For manifestations of evil whisper into the hearts of men, and they seek to turn them to the darkness."
Demonfey 12-12-04, 12:46 AM	"If your example would be considered "Good taken to the extreme," then I suppose that is true. But I find nothing about those actions to be good. The ones who acted as such did not act in the name of goodness, but they were deceived by evil into believing that." They were guided by Pelor to me every time. For ten years, I let them hound me, until the innocents they had slain became too much. This was in the days I was a good being, like you. I know it was Pelor because it was always a beam from the sun that pointed me out. They believed with their hearts and souls that they were the punishment of a deity, and so did it with all the joy they could. And my example isn't even the complete extreme.
Dyne 12-12-04, 12:53 AM	They were guided by Pelor to me every time. For ten years, I let them hound me, until the innocents they had slain became too much. This was in the days I was a good being, like you. I know it was Pelor because it was always a beam from the sun that pointed me out. They believed with their hearts and souls that they were the punishment of a deity, and so did it with all the joy they could. And my example isn't even the complete extreme. "Good is beyond even deities. Good is that which creates and lets things grow, it is that which invented joy and banishes sorrow. Destruction is not in the nature of good, but it is occasionally necessary for the good of the entire community. Sacrificing innocent lives in search of evil is foolishness and evil. And it is not as difficult as it seems to copy the acts of a deity. Some spellcaster could easily have manipulated these poor lads, making them believe they were carrying out the will of a deity when in actuality they were carrying out the will of a crazed man. And evil deities can very easily imitate good deities, and fool men. I do not believe it was good that sought out your life, Crowley. Evil takes many forms, occasionally the form of the stalwart Paladin."
Demonfey 12-12-04, 01:00 AM	"Good is beyond even deities. Good is that which creates and lets things grow, it is that which invented joy and banishes sorrow. Destruction is not in the nature of good, but it is occasionally necessary for the good of the entire community. Sacrificing innocent lives in search of evil is foolishness and evil. And it is not as difficult as it seems to copy the acts of a deity. Some spellcaster could easily have manipulated these poor lads, making them believe they were carrying out the will of a deity when in actuality they were carrying out the will of a crazed man. And evil deities can very easily imitate good deities, and fool men. I do not believe it was good that sought out your life, Crowley. Evil takes many forms, occasionally the form of the stalwart Paladin." Ah, yes, that argument. But then again, that implies that I take things at face value, right? I don't. What Pelor told me when I asked him about it later was that he had underestimated the extremes they would go to in his name.
Xen155 12-12-04, 01:35 AM	A man with Raven black hair wearing robe of the Clergy of Pelor walks into the Guild of Pure Good. Greetings, I am Lanx, I wish to join this foundation for the greater glory of Pelor. Lanx turns sharply at the Mention of his gods name. Pelor has commanded your death?
Demonfey 12-12-04, 11:39 AM	A man with Raven black hair wearing robe of the Clergy of Pelor walks into the Guild of Pure Good. Greetings, I am Lanx, I wish to join this foundation for the greater glory of Pelor. Lanx turns sharply at the Mention of his gods name. Pelor has commanded your death? 16,000 years ago. He got ashamed of his clergy's actions, though, but that was after I was forced to take matters into my own hands. At any rate, I originally came to negotiate an alliance between the CotP and the GoPG, and just ended up talking with people.
redhase 12-12-04, 06:45 PM	Evil is still evil no matter who commits it, the good justify their actions. By tellimg them selves the town of slavers needed to be killed, but what of the incent one's you kill. Were they evil, for owner of business your men ramsack and burnt to the ground. the man never owened a slave, but palatins say that such a act is good, was it? I have seen this through out enons of what you call good and evil. same thing, good justifys their actions. The ones you call evil,do it and it don't bother them. they do it freely, the so called good has to justify it. Whats the difference, lying to one's self, and calling it good!
Agudo Archmage 12-12-04, 09:45 PM	((OOC Redhase in truth I am enjoying are Philosophical debit; and in NO way do I really see you as that nasty rash I got on my last adventure :P :embarrass :P )) As he laid back in plush chair, contemplating a particular passage in his latest book that he wrote. When once more like some Halfling river rash that wont go away! The voice of Redhase asserted it malcontent self, from Agudo Crystal ball Shutting the leather bound book rather sharply, the blond hair Mage turned to the swirling mass of darkens that seep around the Crystal ball. Redhase Evil is still evil no matter who commits it, the good justify their actions. By telling them selves the town of slavers needed to be killed, but what of the innocent one's you kill. Were they evil, for owner of business your men ransack and burnt to the ground. the man never owned a slave, but palatines say that such a act is good, was it? I have seen this through out eons of what you call good and evil. same thing, good justifies their actions. The ones you call evil, do it and it don't bother them. they do it freely, the so-called good has to justify it. Whats the difference, lying to one's self, and calling it good! Agudo slowly scratched his short blond beard then sadly smiled. “It would seem you created a vaguely thought out response, to my eloquent reply to your last tirade of evil lies. For you see O’ deceiver of the abyss! The so-called Good Knights that you speak of….. would never burn the innocent civilians!” Then closing his rich emerald green eyes, the Wizard of Light spoke in sadder tones. “Unless, those once brave band of Righteousness stepped into the shadows of Light and Darkness? Then they have left the Light of Goodness, and no longer are Knights of Righteous faith. But Barbarian thugs who feel better about themselves! By doing a few Good deeds with their evil murderous rampage.” Agudo then opened his eyes as he looked at the ornately carved oak table that held the Blue Crystal Ball “Some call the Alignment of these fallen souls Chaotic…. Be it more on the side of evil or what they think is neutrality, does not matter! For they are the Fallen, and are lost to what is truly Good.”
Demonfey 12-12-04, 09:48 PM	((OOC Redhase in truth I am enjoying are Philosophical debit; and in NO way do I really see you as that nasty rash I got on my last adventure :P :embarrass :P )) As he laid back in plush chair, contemplating a particular passage in his latest book that he wrote. When once more like some Halfling river rash that wont go away! The voice of Redhase asserted it malcontent self, from Agudo Crystal ball Shutting the leather bound book rather sharply, the blond hair Mage turned to the swirling mass of darkens that seep around the Crystal ball. Redhase Agudo slowly scratched his short blond beard then sadly smiled. “It would seem you created a vaguely thought out response, to my eloquent reply to your last tirade of evil lies. For you see O’ deceiver of the abyss! The so-called Good Knights that you speak of….. would never burn the innocent civilians!” Then closing his rich emerald green eyes, the Wizard of Light spoke in sadder tones. “Unless, those once brave band of Righteousness stepped into the shadows of Light and Darkness? Then they have left the Light of Goodness, and no longer are Knights of Righteous faith. But Barbarian thugs who feel better about themselves! By doing a few Good deeds with their evil murderous rampage.” Agudo then opened his eyes as he looked at the ornately carved oak table that held the Blue Crystal Ball “Some call the Alignment of these fallen souls Chaotic…. Be it more on the side of evil or what they think is neutrality, does not matter! For they are the Fallen, and are lost to what is truly Good.” I saw there souls in heaven, before I trapped them in gems for the rest of eternity.
thasis 12-12-04, 10:18 PM	The Good Thasis walks in to the Chambers of Pure good and says "Good can be evil and Evil can be good all in varing degree's. I fashion myself as a good person because I am a person of little conflict. I try to create peace within all societys Good and Evil. Being evil and commiting evil acts is a totally diffrent thing. I will give evil a chance and I will let them survive as long as I don't catch them commiting evil acts. I will not go out of my way to kill someone just because they worship a evil god. They must actualy commit a evil act in front of me for me to actualy get violent. That is what I call true good".
Agudo Archmage 12-12-04, 11:29 PM	((OOC DemonFey I am glad you have posted IN/Char with me :) but would you give us more of your talented writing style. Lets say in a larger post. I am not sure how to respond to your last one? For example the Guild of Pure Good, would not allow your evil kind to walk about the Guild. But I do have three way Cell….I mean Crystal ball calling ;) Like I am posting with Reshase Or even a note delivered by courier pigeon can work. Thanks )) Latter that day in the chambers, the Righteous had gathered together to discus the current events in the Realms. The mood as always was upbeat for they were all sisters and brothers in the Light. When gracefully the honorable Thasis came to the podium and spoke most eloquently. Thasis The Good Thasis walks in to the Chambers of Pure good and says "Good can be evil and Evil can be good all in varying degree's. I fashion myself as a good person because I am a person of little conflict. I try to create peace within all societies Good and Evil. Being evil and committing evil acts is a totally different thing. I will give evil a chance and I will let them survive as long as I don't catch them committing evil acts. I will not go out of my way to kill someone just because they worship a evil god. They must actually commit a evil act in front of me for me to actually get violent. That is what I call true good". Some smiled while others raised eyebrows, at the Neutral sounding statement. But all applauded with various digress of happy enthusiasm. Then The Wizard of Light walked over and patted Thasis on the back. “By the Light my friend ! We all agree that your peaceful nature, is a shining example to us all. And let it be said that you’re a good leader, who is deeply respected amongst us all. We proudly stand with you!” Applause goes around the room “Yet know that many of the Virtuous adventures of the Realms. Have gathered here under the Banner of the Pure Good, to smite evil before it does the violent acts you speak of.” With a frown he continued. “Such as the unwilling human sacrifices to false evil gods!” The crowed yelled out, almost in complete union . “Stop the evil sickness....That spreads in the lands of mortals! Hear, Hear! United we Stand against evil” Agudo smiled waved his hand so he could speak. “And to stop Rape, Murder, Slavery….BEFORE IT HAPPENS” More loud applause by many in the room Turning back to Thasis he warmly smiled “No one is saying that you my friend Thasis would let a woman be rape if you could stop it. But many here would gladly destroy an evil temple if we can, to hinder the evil acts before they happen. I agree that evil can be redeemed…..But lets agree to disagree on when to act my friend”
Dyne 12-12-04, 11:34 PM	I saw there souls in heaven, before I trapped them in gems for the rest of eternity. "Heaven? What is this heaven you speak of? Is it some place of mysteries?"
Dyne 12-12-04, 11:39 PM	The Good Thasis walks in to the Chambers of Pure good and says "Good can be evil and Evil can be good all in varing degree's. I fashion myself as a good person because I am a person of little conflict. I try to create peace within all societys Good and Evil. Being evil and commiting evil acts is a totally diffrent thing. I will give evil a chance and I will let them survive as long as I don't catch them commiting evil acts. I will not go out of my way to kill someone just because they worship a evil god. They must actualy commit a evil act in front of me for me to actualy get violent. That is what I call true good". "We share many qualities, Thasis the Good. For, the two deities I hold in highest esteem are the Mystra and Ilmater, the Goddess of Magic and the God of Suffering. For I seek counsel from Mystra for my lore, and I pray to Ilmater to alleviate the suffering of others." HINT: This is an example showing the split in Dyne's personality. For, he is not really Neutral Good (as his alignment suggests), but he is both Lawful Good and Chaotic Good at the same time. This will be developed further as the game progresses, and I will demonstrate what will come to pass because of this later, when our levels are higher and artifacts become in use.
redhase 12-13-04, 12:08 AM	It all comes down to how you feel and how you justify your actions, the good say they are doing the will of their God. While in the mean time, burning, pilliging, and worse, it has happened. Does the church kick them out no, they get promoted. Why because they believe they are doing the will of their God. Evil has no quams about doing somthing, and they don't justify their actions. "My god hates all evil, I have to purge all evil. I can do what ever it takes for my god, and make everyone safe," good knights sayings. Justifying your actions, that's all it is. Your good knights still kill incent people in their quest to purge evil. Take this exsample. Your knights come across a village holding orc's as slaves. Why was the orc a slave, the orc wanted food and supplies. So a orc party raided the vallage, so were captured, the rest were killed or ran away. By the orc's point of view he or she did nothing wrong, they needed food and supplies. How many humans will give orcs food and supplies none, if a human group asked they would help them(the humans group could be slavers scouting the village, and the villagers will trust them). Whose evil here the knights freeing the orc's slave's or the villagers who made them slave's. Everyone has commited an evil act accourding to how they view it. Knights have freed orc's slave's from humans holding them as pay back. Would any of you brave, knights give food to a orc if they ask you! Orc's can't ask humans for they they get chased off or killed, who has commited the evil here! Everyone has! You knights just justify your actions of looting, rape, pilling, burning propety, and worse. Knights do these things, don't lie to your selves. All in the name of your god!
Agudo Archmage 12-13-04, 01:22 AM	In the evening just after the predictive chamber meeting by the Guild of Pure Good. Agudo walked into his office, his flowing blueish white robe and cape moved about him. He had pleased look upon him, for the guild had aired their different views on dealing with evil. A cute little pixie was happily popping popcorn on a bronze kettle, by the fireplace. The Wizard of Light smelled the yummy treat, and decided to pour himself some Elvin Sweet Water. Tossing his long blond hair over his shoulder, he picked up handsome goblet to drink from. When suddenly the dark voice spoke with deep hostility from Agudo Crystal-Ball. Redhase It all comes down to how you feel and how you justify your actions, the good say they are doing the will of their God. While in the mean time, burning, pillaging, and worse, it has happened. Does the church kick them out no, they get promoted. Why because they believe they are doing the will of their God. Evil has no qualms about doing something, and they don't justify their actions. "My god hates all evil, I have to purge all evil. I can do what ever it takes for my god, and make everyone safe," good knights sayings. Justifying your actions, that's all it is. Your good knights still kill innocent people in their quest to purge evil. Agudo had grown used to the sudden, desperate interruption, of this fallen soulless creature. He took a few sips before interrupting. “Now evil one! Did you not head my pearls of wisdom? When I said that True-Good-Knights, would never intentionally kill the innocent!” But the contemptible, depraved creature continued un abashed by Agudo words. It even spoke more forcefully from the blue Crystal-Ball on the table. Redhase Take this example. Your knights come across a village holding orc's as slaves. Why was the orc a slave, the orc wanted food and supplies. So a orc party raided the village, so were captured, the rest were killed or ran away. By the orc's point of view he or she did nothing wrong, they needed food and supplies. How many humans will give orcs food and supplies none, if a human group asked they would help them (the humans group could be slavers scouting the village, and the villagers will trust them). Whose evil here the knights freeing the orc's slave's or the villagers who made them slave's? Everyone has committed an evil act according to how they view it. Knights have freed orc's slaves from humans holding them as pay back. Would any of you brave, knights give food to a orc if they ask you! Orc's can't ask humans for they get chased off or killed, who has committed the evil here! Everyone has! At that Agudo put down his goblet hand chuckled. “My poor lost soul….. You answered your own question! You just don’t like the answer….The tribe of Orcs brutally murdered and took what was not theirs. Enslaving the humans…. The Knights were (Good) for freeing innocent villagers from slavery. And if they caught the evil human spy that betrayed the town; he or she would be judged as well.” Grabbing a couple of hot popcorns from the Kettle Agudo munched on them for a few seconds before continuing “ As far as Orcs and trading food with them and other so called creatures. I personally have set up a mutual yTrade-pact of friendship, between the Town of Umar Hills and band of Orcs and others In the land of Amn. (OOC The Baldur’s Gate PC game) The villagers naturally fear them, but over time they now work together. It was then that the evil voice spewed its horrible insults, against all Knights of Light Redhase You knights just justify your actions of looting, rape, pilling, burning property, and worse. Knights do these things, don't lie to your selves. All in the name of your god! Rolling his emerald green eyes Agudo spoke more strongly. “Must I repeat myself? Can you not evil one open you ears and hear the Truth of Light? For as I have said NO Good Knight would do such sick things as rape a woman. Or murder the innocent….. Yet once more I shall quote myself about what becomes of those who leave the light and fall from grace " Agudo “Unless, those once brave band of Righteousness stepped into the shadows of Light and Darkness? Then they have left the Light of Goodness, and no longer are Knights of Righteous faith. But Barbarian thugs who feel better about themselves! By doing a few Good deeds with their evil murderous rampaging Some call the Alignment of these fallen souls Chaotic…. Be it more on the side of evil or what they think is neutrality, does not matter! For they are the Fallen, and are lost to what is truly Good.”
thasis 12-13-04, 09:48 AM	Thasis ponders the conversation silently. Finnaly he speaks up one again. "Maybe we're all wrong. Maybe we're all right in are own little ways. Each one of us finds are self right and there is no true way to prove if one is right or not in this philospophical conversation so what's the point. Overall we're not going to strike the evil down unless they strike the first blow. We agreed to that deal and if we break it we are no better then the evil ones themeselves. So, Let this conversation be and a end and let the evil doers exit my building of holyness unless they have something constructive to do here other then to bicker with the good ones."
redhase 12-13-04, 04:35 PM	my last words on this; Go ahead and kill your neibor, go ahead kill a freind do it in the name of heavan. you will be justifed in the end, there won't be any trumpet's blowing come the judgement day, the bloody morning after, one tin solider(palatin) walks away. :eek:
Agudo Archmage 12-13-04, 08:25 PM	Sitting down by the hearth, he finished off his Elvin Sweet Water. With a satisfied smile, Agudo then repicked up his latest manuscript. Turning it over in his hand as if it was a work of art. The blond haired Mage was about to finish proofreading it. When the specter of damnable accusation, found its sullied voice after a long silence. Redhase my last words on this; Go ahead and kill your neibor, go ahead kill a freind do it in the name of heavan. you will be justifed in the end, there won't be any trumpet's blowing come the judgement day, the bloody morning after, one tin solider(palatin) walks away. Raising an eyebrow Agudo smirked, but then added with a touch of kindness. “Specter of the abyss! I shall ponder your words, and consider the depth of your accusations Never the less dark-one, those with ears let them hear! As I have said….If a Knight or any do Gooder, does harm the innocent with malice. Then they are no longer of the Light! And are shunned by the Righteous until they can be redeemed” With a wave of his hand, a small red silk cloth, flew up from the table and landed on top of thec Crystal ball. The Wizard of Light then tried to concentrate on his book. Yet his thoughts lay elsewhere. For Agudo kept remembering the words of Thasis; and the dissention it created back at the meeting early in the day Thasis Thasis ponders the conversation silently. Finnaly he speaks up one again. "Maybe we're all wrong. Maybe we're all right in are own little ways. Each one of us finds are self right and there is no true way to prove if one is right or not in this philospophical conversation so what's the point. Overall we're not going to strike the evil down unless they strike the first blow. We agreed to that deal and if we break it we are no better then the evil ones themeselves. So, Let this conversation be and a end and let the evil doers exit my building of holyness unless they have something constructive to do here other then to bicker with the good ones." Many in the Guild were caught off guard, by Thasis unilateral Non-Aggression-Pact; with the evil guilds of the land. Some took it calmly and accepted Thasis reasoning for declaring such a pact. Others protested the lack of respect shown to its members by Thasis. For he did not bring this to a vote….but used his position as leader to make the pact so. Agudo had spent the better part of the day, trying to put out diplomatic fires. He made clear to the Righteous members that they could still go after evil. They just could not smite evil under the banner of the Pure Good Guild. Agudo even vowed to lead any who wanted, to go after evil wereever it sulked. After several hours the council agreed to take a brake for the day. But more than a few called for change in leadership of the guild. Standing up from his chair in his office, Agudo paced the plush carpeted floor. Turning to Lady Hoot he shrugged. “It would seem that honorable Thasis, did what he thought was right. Yet now we are divided …..and I am afraid some in the Guild may Call for Thasis to step down. Her lovely snowy feathers fluttered, as the open window breeze blew in. Lady Hoot nodded her head. “Maybe a compromise can be found?” Agudo wondered if that was possible “Let us pray so for all are sakes” With that he finally returned to his reading enjoy his book
Dyne 12-13-04, 08:35 PM	It all comes down to how you feel and how you justify your actions, the good say they are doing the will of their God. While in the mean time, burning, pilliging, and worse, it has happened. Does the church kick them out no, they get promoted. Why because they believe they are doing the will of their God. Evil has no quams about doing somthing, and they don't justify their actions. "My god hates all evil, I have to purge all evil. I can do what ever it takes for my god, and make everyone safe," good knights sayings. Justifying your actions, that's all it is. Your good knights still kill incent people in their quest to purge evil. Take this exsample. Your knights come across a village holding orc's as slaves. Why was the orc a slave, the orc wanted food and supplies. So a orc party raided the vallage, so were captured, the rest were killed or ran away. By the orc's point of view he or she did nothing wrong, they needed food and supplies. How many humans will give orcs food and supplies none, if a human group asked they would help them(the humans group could be slavers scouting the village, and the villagers will trust them). Whose evil here the knights freeing the orc's slave's or the villagers who made them slave's. Everyone has commited an evil act accourding to how they view it. Knights have freed orc's slave's from humans holding them as pay back. Would any of you brave, knights give food to a orc if they ask you! Orc's can't ask humans for they they get chased off or killed, who has commited the evil here! Everyone has! You knights just justify your actions of looting, rape, pilling, burning propety, and worse. Knights do these things, don't lie to your selves. All in the name of your god! I think you're posting OoC, so I'll respond OoC. Many people have different definitions of Good. Some people focus on the part of destroying Evil, others focus on the part of protecting innocents, still others focus on the part of healing the afflicted. These are all radically different approaches, and there are many more as well. Among these three focuses, each one can be split many times until you come up with a unique person. For example: One knight might seek to destroy Evil at all costs. Another knight might focus on fighting Evil (simply because fighting is what he's best at), but he will by NO MEANS harm innocent lives in the process of seeking out and destroying Evil. Another knight might focus on fighting Evil, but will only KILL those who have committed the most horrible crimes. He might use force against all evil beings, but he will use nonlethal force against a thief, for example, while using lethal force against a murderer. One person might focus on healing the afflicted, using his abilities to heal ANYONE who is sick or afflicted. Another person might heal only those he deems worth of healing. Still another may only heal those who are very close to him, or who share the same faith, or the same ideals, or something similar. The possibilities for Good characters are limitless. Assuming that all Good characters are foolish religious zealots who murder wantonly in the name of their god is outright ridiculous.
NightScreamer20 12-13-04, 09:07 PM	Assuming that all Good characters are foolish religious zealots who murder wantonly in the name of their god is outright ridiculous. Exactly, that's reserved for Half-Elves :P
Dyne 12-13-04, 09:14 PM	Exactly, that's reserved for Half-Elves :P Nah, half-humans always have psychological disorders. In the case of the Half-Elves, bipolar, delusional, and anti-social disorders show up most often. :P
Droga 12-13-04, 09:14 PM	Exactly, that's reserved for Half-Elves :P Yeah.. very much so. Half elves... "hey, does that look evil to you?" "Uhm... yep" "ah... KILL IT!" *Half elves leap into battle*
Dyne 12-13-04, 09:15 PM	Yeah.. very much so. Half elves... "hey, does that look evil to you?" "Uhm... yep" "ah... KILL IT!" *Half elves leap into battle* True 'dat, brotha.
Demonfey 12-13-04, 09:26 PM	"Heaven? What is this heaven you speak of? Is it some place of mysteries?" It is another name for the Upper Planes. My life has taken me to the very depths of the Abyss and the highest peak of Celestia.
Dyne 12-13-04, 09:28 PM	It is another name for the Upper Planes. My life has taken me to the very depths of the Abyss and the highest peak of Celestia. "You have a very odd life, friend." Off-Topic: Demonfey, you might want to go over to the Merchants Guild. We're working on several pressing matters that may drastically affect business.
Demonfey 12-13-04, 09:28 PM	In the evening just after the predictive chamber meeting by the Guild of Pure Good. Agudo walked into his office, his flowing blueish white robe and cape moved about him. He had pleased look upon him, for the guild had aired their different views on dealing with evil. A cute little pixie was happily popping popcorn on a bronze kettle, by the fireplace. The Wizard of Light smelled the yummy treat, and decided to pour himself some Elvin Sweet Water. Tossing his long blond hair over his shoulder, he picked up handsome goblet to drink from. When suddenly the dark voice spoke with deep hostility from Agudo Crystal-Ball. Redhase Agudo had grown used to the sudden, desperate interruption, of this fallen soulless creature. He took a few sips before interrupting. “Now evil one! Did you not head my pearls of wisdom? When I said that True-Good-Knights, would never intentionally kill the innocent!” But the contemptible, depraved creature continued un abashed by Agudo words. It even spoke more forcefully from the blue Crystal-Ball on the table. Redhase At that Agudo put down his goblet hand chuckled. “My poor lost soul….. You answered your own question! You just don’t like the answer….The tribe of Orcs brutally murdered and took what was not theirs. Enslaving the humans…. The Knights were (Good) for freeing innocent villagers from slavery. And if they caught the evil human spy that betrayed the town; he or she would be judged as well.” Grabbing a couple of hot popcorns from the Kettle Agudo munched on them for a few seconds before continuing “ As far as Orcs and trading food with them and other so called creatures. I personally have set up a mutual yTrade-pact of friendship, between the Town of Umar Hills and band of Orcs and others In the land of Amn. (OOC The Baldur’s Gate PC game) The villagers naturally fear them, but over time they now work together. It was then that the evil voice spewed its horrible insults, against all Knights of Light Redhase Rolling his emerald green eyes Agudo spoke more strongly. “Must I repeat myself? Can you not evil one open you ears and hear the Truth of Light? For as I have said NO Good Knight would do such sick things as rape a woman. Or murder the innocent….. Yet once more I shall quote myself about what becomes of those who leave the light and fall from grace " Agudo The orcs were the slaves and the villagers were the masters, though.
Agudo Archmage 12-14-04, 12:21 AM	Demonfey The orcs were the slaves and the villagers were the masters, though. Ummmmm not in the BD 2 Shadows of Amn PC game. The Orcs and other creatures were from an army. They were hiding near Umar village The Villagers feard them until the hero of the story, set up a deal to trade with each other, and for the Orcs to help gaurd the village.
redhase 12-14-04, 03:41 AM	orc's raid village, because humans don't trust. Villagers kill most of the orc's, make slaves out of the rest. Purlpe knights attack villagers for slavery, free orc's, all commited evil accourding to how they thought. purple knights attacked the villagers,commited evil by attacking them(villagers think they have the right of servatude for attack). Villagers commited evil by not helping orc's or trusting and making them slaves. Orc's commited evil by attacking village, not trusting humans all commited evil. Happened knights commit evil acts, they just justify it(so does everyone )
bgt 12-14-04, 06:55 AM	Figured this was the best place to fing a cleric... The psionics foundation is willing to pay a cleric 26555 for the true ressurection of Timothae (The Vorpal Tribble's charachter). 25025 of this gold is for material components, meaning a profit of 1530 for whoever does this.
thasis 12-14-04, 10:11 AM	Sitting down by the hearth, he finished off his Elvin Sweet Water. With a satisfied smile, Agudo then repicked up his latest manuscript. Turning it over in his hand as if it was a work of art. The blond haired Mage was about to finish proofreading it. When the specter of damnable accusation, found its sullied voice after a long silence. Redhase Raising an eyebrow Agudo smirked, but then added with a touch of kindness. “Specter of the abyss! I shall ponder your words, and consider the depth of your accusations Never the less dark-one, those with ears let them hear! As I have said….If a Knight or any do Gooder, does harm the innocent with malice. Then they are no longer of the Light! And are shunned by the Righteous until they can be redeemed” With a wave of his hand, a small red silk cloth, flew up from the table and landed on top of thec Crystal ball. The Wizard of Light then tried to concentrate on his book. Yet his thoughts lay elsewhere. For Agudo kept remembering the words of Thasis; and the dissention it created back at the meeting early in the day Thasis Many in the Guild were caught off guard, by Thasis unilateral Non-Aggression-Pact; with the evil guilds of the land. Some took it calmly and accepted Thasis reasoning for declaring such a pact. Others protested the lack of respect shown to its members by Thasis. For he did not bring this to a vote….but used his position as leader to make the pact so. Agudo had spent the better part of the day, trying to put out diplomatic fires. He made clear to the Righteous members that they could still go after evil. They just could not smite evil under the banner of the Pure Good Guild. Agudo even vowed to lead any who wanted, to go after evil wereever it sulked. After several hours the council agreed to take a brake for the day. But more than a few called for change in leadership of the guild. Standing up from his chair in his office, Agudo paced the plush carpeted floor. Turning to Lady Hoot he shrugged. “It would seem that honorable Thasis, did what he thought was right. Yet now we are divided …..and I am afraid some in the Guild may Call for Thasis to step down. Her lovely snowy feathers fluttered, as the open window breeze blew in. Lady Hoot nodded her head. “Maybe a compromise can be found?” Agudo wondered if that was possible “Let us pray so for all are sakes” With that he finally returned to his reading enjoy his book "Agudo, I truly didn't relize the effect that this treaty of non-aggression had apon my people. I didn't relize they were in such a stupor of blood lust. It seems that I may have made a mistake" he then glowers at Agudo "Or maybe I made a very wise desicion. Violence is not the answer. The taking of a mortal life is one of the most evil acts known in exsistince. It can be justified, but can it realy be justified by killing someone who fashions themeself evil. Except for the case of Droga none of them have made any truly violent acts against us or commited violent or henious crimes. Whats to say they arn't realy evil and they just fashion themeselves as evil. I think that the taking of a mortal life needs much more consideration then what is put into it these days. Don't you agree?". With that he sits down again and thinks more into the subject. ARGGG!!! So much for ending the disscussion.
anglar 12-14-04, 06:35 PM	The sound of alarms snap you to attention. In a secluded part of your domain 4 of your servants have been found dead. There is a note. It reads "Pay or Pay".
Demonfey 12-14-04, 08:55 PM	{Crowley walks away, returning to whatever place he calls home.}
Von Crown 12-14-04, 09:00 PM	There is a wave of mental energy, giving everyone a mild headache. Suddenly, there are tremors, as if the very earth were moving to strike. Suddenly, hundreds of strange insects burst forth, looking like maggots with wings, secreting a foul dark green slime. There are seven distinct cloud, one each heads for Thasis, Allegro, Agudo, Dyne, Lanx, and the cold mage guy. Mordred's voice booms in your heads. "The hour of Reckoning has come. Let us see what you foolish paragons of light can do against the advancing swarms of the EMPREROR!". Shortly after, three collosal creatures apear on the horizon. They look like... flying krakens?
Droga 12-14-04, 09:34 PM	Several black creatures rise from the shadows around Mordred. More climbing down the walls of the guildhouse from the roof. Their eyes glowed yellow, all but one. The other had eyes of orange. It nodded to Mordred. "We are here to assist."
Dyne 12-14-04, 09:40 PM	Perhaps I should start the battle for the side of Good. I still have to work some things out for Dyne, so Bren will take his place. Bren stares at the clouds of insects approaching. He then draws his sword and readies his shield, getting ready for battle. A group of men quickly gather in formation behind him, and stand at attention. They are the Purple Dragons of Cormyr, standing ready to defend the lands from Evil. "The fight has begun, whether or not we are prepared to face it," Bren says, turning around to face his men. He then begins pacing back and forth in front of them. "The forces of Evil are reigning down upon our very heads. But fear not, for Good always prevails." He pauses for a moment before going on. "You have served well in your service. If you die today, you will be remembered for generations to come. But, that is what we all signed up for, really. We all signed our lives away for the sake of our country. But do not let your sacrifices and training be in vain. At this very place will the armies of Good and Evil strike against one another, and many will fall in battle. But we WILL prevail. Though we may not be able to beat back the flow of vermin forever, we will delay them from attacking the castle. While we fight, our allies will make the necessary preparations to defeat them once and for all. Do not die in vain. Do not restrain any of your strength from this battle. And lastly, STAND YOUR GROUND AND FIGHT!!!" A battle cry erupts into the air as a hundred men yell and raise their weapons at once. It is obvious that all their heart lies in the next battle, and that they will not flee in terror from their enemies. I'll finish up all the stats for the Purple Dragons and get them posted ASAP. EDIT: Droga, just curious, exactly how is it, in game terms, that you have all those Skygge under your command? Are they all Followers, or what?
Demonfey 12-14-04, 09:42 PM	Perhaps I should start the battle for the side of Good. I still have to work some things out for Dyne, so Bren will take his place. Bren stares at the clouds of insects approaching. He then draws his sword and readies his shield, getting ready for battle. A group of men quickly gather in formation behind him, and stand at attention. They are the Purple Dragons of Cormyr, standing ready to defend the lands from Evil. "The fight has begun, whether or not we are prepared to face it," Bren says, turning around to face his men. He then begins pacing back and forth in front of them. "The forces of Evil are reigning down upon our very heads. But fear not, for Good always prevails." He pauses for a moment before going on. "You have served well in your service. If you die today, you will be remembered for generations to come. But, that is what we all signed up for, really. We all signed our lives away for the sake of our country. But do not let your sacrifices and training be in vain. At this very place will the armies of Good and Evil strike against one another, and many will fall in battle. But we WILL prevail. Though we may not be able to beat back the flow of vermin forever, we will delay them from attacking the castle. While we fight, our allies will make the necessary preparations to defeat them once and for all. Do not die in vain. Do not restrain any of your strength from this battle. And lastly, STAND YOUR GROUND AND FIGHT!!!" A battle cry erupts into the air as a hundred men yell and raise their weapons at once. It is obvious that all their heart lies in the next battle, and that they will not flee in terror from their enemies. I'll finish up all the stats for the Purple Dragons and get them posted ASAP. {Then you notice that they are also burrowing out of the floor...} I'm doing this because I can also control these insects.
thasis 12-14-04, 09:48 PM	The Skygge are kinnda just like NPC's who arn't direct followers but are willing to help him in his cause because they belive in it.
Dyne 12-14-04, 09:52 PM	The Skygge are kinnda just like NPC's who arn't direct followers but are willing to help him in his cause because they belive in it. :uh-huh: Has this been approved by the GM's? Besides, I thought the Guild Wars were gonna be fought by PC's and their Followers, not NPC's (unless they're Hirelings). Just a quick question: I believe that if you have Cover, it doesn't affect your attacks if you're using a Crossbow. Does it also not affect your attacks if you're using a Longbow?
Von Crown 12-14-04, 09:53 PM	Then, the Krakens arrive. They look like ordinary Kraken, exept they are covered in thick armored plates aroud their body, and have three glowing, red eyes. Initiative (http://krisinchico.brinkster.net/searchroll.asp?username=MordredVC%20atk% 20GoPG#138858) The initiative for the swarms is 12, and the Psychekens (Psychic Krakens) got a 23.
Dyne 12-14-04, 09:56 PM	Wait, I don't see how all these things suddenly appear inside the guild house of the Guild of Pure Good. I would assume there would be all sorts of wards and such up that make that impossible. Thasis, are you gonna pop in with your Good character soon? We need Orcy to get here before we can start fighting.
Von Crown 12-14-04, 09:58 PM	Mordred stands on the back of one of the Psycheken. "So, what do you think of my latest creations?" Mordred gets a 7 for init.
Von Crown 12-14-04, 09:59 PM	The insects are burrowing up from beneath, read my fist post. The Psychekens have been waiting in a nearby area. Allegro stands, and walks beside the Purple Dragon Knights. Though he does not speak, the look on his face displays a grim resolve to defeat Mordred's forces. Allegro got 22 Init.
Demonfey 12-14-04, 10:00 PM	Wait, I don't see how all these things suddenly appear inside the guild house of the Guild of Pure Good. I would assume there would be all sorts of wards and such up that make that impossible. Thasis, are you gonna pop in with your Good character soon? We need Orcy to get here before we can start fighting. Thasis is at the HEF.
thasis 12-14-04, 10:03 PM	My good character is or ready fighting for the Half-Elven Foundation. I could bring in some reinforcment though. A bright yellow flash blasts through the room. When the light has cleared you see a Hound Archon. "I am Kornoth, Keeper of the Divine Light. I am here to help you protect this guild of pure good". I have a bunch of more characters to create now. I have a Half-Dragon Sorcerer, a Goblin Warlock and a Hound Archon Cleric. Damn, I have alot of characters. I should also make stats for my Dragon Mounts. I'll post them all ASAP.
Dyne 12-14-04, 10:03 PM	Thasis is at the HEF. EDIT: Nevermind.
Dyne 12-14-04, 10:05 PM	My good character is or ready fighting for the Half-Elven Foundation. I could bring in some reinforcment though. A bright yellow flash blasts through the room. When the light has cleared you see a Hound Archon. "I am Kornoth, Keeper of the Divine Light. I am here to help you protect this guild of pure good". I have a bunch of more characters to create now. I have a Half-Dragon Sorcerer, a Goblin Warlock and a Hound Archon Cleric. Damn, I have alot of characters. I should also make stats for my Dragon Mounts. I'll post them all ASAP. To heck with the Half-Elves, get over here! I can't handle all these things with just my men!
Dyne 12-14-04, 10:39 PM	I have my level 1 grunts posted at the Player Character and Statistics Thread. There's a link to their stats in my sig (underneath Bren). The Purple Dragons weren't at the Guild of Pure Good when all the creatures started arriving. They just arrived outside, and they're making ready to attack the monsters (they're setting up tower shields and readying longbows). I still have to work out the stats for all of Bren's cohorts. I probably won't have them finished tonight, however. Besides, we need to finish this when everyone else is online.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-14-04, 10:57 PM	Keld charges in "Bring it, mofos! Get your ***es outa here 'for I eat your brains!" :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: Keld got a 17 initiative. My cohorts are now arriving.
Dyne 12-14-04, 11:04 PM	Keld charges in "Bring it, mofos! Get your ***es outa here 'for I eat your brains!" :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: Keld got a 17 initiative. My cohorts are now arriving. "Hold on Keld, if we just charge in, we will stand no chance. We must use every advantage available to us, and one of our advantages is range." Bren's unit of men begin setting up 200 ft. from the nearest horde of insects. Each of them places a tower shield in front of him and readies his longbow. The Purple Dragons are outside of the Guild of Pure Good guild house. They will attack enemies when they come within 100 ft., or they will begin firing immediately if the swarms don't come within range at first. Initiative: 14 The entire unit of 96 men will act on Initiative count 14.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-14-04, 11:18 PM	"Hold on Keld, if we just charge in, we will stand no chance. We must use every advantage available to us, and one of our advantages is range." Bren's unit of men begin setting up 200 ft. from the nearest horde of insects. Each of them places a tower shield in front of him and readies his longbow. The Purple Dragons are outside of the Guild of Pure Good guild house. They will attack enemies when they come within 100 ft., or they will begin firing immediately if the swarms don't come within range at first. Initiative: 14 The entire unit of 96 men will act on Initiative count 14. Keld bellows "What the hell is the use of wussy ranged weapons? None of my troops bother! Oh, well...", Keld's hobgoblin troops array themselves in between Bren's forces and the enemy to ward the archers. Keld dispenses with the fancy speeches Bren so often uses, merely yelling to his troops "We taste blood of the foe this day! Let the righteous *** wuppin' and brain eatin' begin!" :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: P.S. Droga, I don't think you can have the Skygge follow you. Unless of course you want Keld's father to make a surprise appearence. He is a great wyrm gold dragon after all. Lets see the skygge take on that. Oh, and Keld could also call in his three brothers and four sisters, all of whom are fully mature adult gold dragons. And they could call in their children. Wyrmling dragons are cute aren't they? Specially when they're rippin out you throat. :devil: P.P.S. All of my troops use greatswords, though I don't have stats for them all up yet. Yeah, that's right, all of 'em.
Droga 12-15-04, 12:59 AM	Keld bellows "What the hell is the use of wussy ranged weapons? None of my troops bother! Oh, well...", Keld's hobgoblin troops array themselves in between Bren's forces and the enemy to ward the archers. Keld dispenses with the fancy speeches Bren so often uses, merely yelling to his troops "We taste blood of the foe this day! Let the righteous *** wuppin' and brain eatin' begin!" :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: P.S. Droga, I don't think you can have the Skygge follow you. Unless of course you want Keld's father to make a surprise appearence. He is a great wyrm gold dragon after all. Lets see the skygge take on that. Oh, and Keld could also call in his three brothers and four sisters, all of whom are fully mature adult gold dragons. And they could call in their children. Wyrmling dragons are cute aren't they? Specially when they're rippin out you throat. :devil: P.P.S. All of my troops use greatswords, though I don't have stats for them all up yet. Yeah, that's right, all of 'em. Skygge arent dragon class, besides, if you wanna play that way, I could always bring Droga the lightbane out. He would tear your great wyrm gold dragon apart. Easily. Besides, how else do you expect me to fight armies? A big stick?
NightScreamer20 12-15-04, 02:04 AM	**Guys do you not realize most of these things are o\to make it actually look like a battle!? I mean come on, yes it would be Droga by himself running at the castle... not very likely. Though I doubt the Skygge actually take action upon yourselves, I believe that a full set of NPCs is required for both sides. Otherwise it will just look foolish.**
Agudo Archmage 12-15-04, 02:40 AM	Thasis "Agudo, I truly didn't realize the effect that this treaty of non-aggression had upon my people. I didn't relize they were in such a stupor of blood lust. It seems that I may have made a mistake" he then glowers at Agudo "Or maybe I made a very wise desicion. Violence is not the answer. The taking of a mortal life is one of the most evil acts known in exsistince. It can be justified, but can it realy be justified by killing someone who fashions themeself evil. Except for the case of Droga none of them have made any truly violent acts against us or commited violent or henious crimes. Whats to say they arn't realy evil and they just fashion themeselves as evil. I think that the taking of a mortal life needs much more consideration then what is put into it these days. Don't you agree?". With that he sits down again and thinks more into the subject. The Wizard of Light brushed his hands on his blue & white robe His cape flowed behnd him as he took the podium. Good Thasis….No that many support you…. I for one am in that numbers. Yet to say that blood lust! Is the cause of Good people, hunting down evil criminals Just becouse they havent done evil in front of you. Lacks your normal wisdom that we are all accustomed to.” He eyes the members with a warm smile. “You fear that we will blatantly kill without mercy. Let me reassure you Thasis, that we of the Pure Good shall keep the highest standards in dealing with the wicked.” Then giving a polite half bow to Thasis he added. “Yet you must except as leader…that making a Non aggression pact with evil. Will always hurt the innocent you seek to protect. For evil will always use your kindness for its own gain” The sounds of ringing alarm bells filed the Guild meeting hall. Von Crown There is a wave of mental energy, giving everyone a mild headache. Suddenly, there are tremors, as if the very earth were moving to strike. Suddenly, hundreds of strange insects burst forth, looking like maggots with wings, secreting a foul dark green slime. There are seven distinct cloud, one each heads for Thasis, Allegro, Agudo, Dyne, Lanx, and the cold mage guy. Mordred's voice booms in your heads. "The hour of Reckoning has come. Let us see what you foolish paragons of light can do against the advancing swarms of the EMPREROR!". Shortly after, three collosal creatures apear on the horizon. They look like... flying krakens? All in the Guild of Pure Good can feel the evil approaching the Guild. Agudo turns to Thasis. “It would seem that your honest and may I say…. Good attempt to bring peace…. has been rejected by the evil of the Realms. Come Thasis lead the way! And we shall follow in this Righteous battle of Good versus evil.” Many in the Halls of Good rang out in union. “FOR ALL THAT IS RIGHTEOUSE AND GOOD”
thasis 12-15-04, 09:58 AM	The Hound Archon draws his Great Axe. "Prepare for a holy war of rigtousness for we will slay all evil that goes in are path. Let nothing frighten you and make everything fear you. These evils that have been kept at bay have broke there non-aggression pack and are attacking us. Get ready for war!!!". With that he lets out a roar of encouragment. I think I'll make him a Fighter. :D
Demonfey 12-15-04, 03:30 PM	Skygge arent dragon class, besides, if you wanna play that way, I could always bring Droga the lightbane out. He would tear your great wyrm gold dragon apart. Easily. Besides, how else do you expect me to fight armies? A big stick? And I could just as easily say I have a lot of dragons who are on my side because they were former familiars and send them, Chosen.
Von Crown 12-15-04, 06:01 PM	The real Mordred keeps a stable of Gravewyrms... His favourite is a three-headed one he specially bred for riding in combat... CR 50ish. More than enough for a Great Wyrm Gold Dragon or three.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 06:25 PM	I understand this, but I think that even just a few skygge could mop the floor with our troops, since our troops can't even hit them. I say we leave our minions to battle amongst themselves, and we ourselves shall fight each other. A dwarf in a massive suit of black armor practically rolls into the hall, and immediatly moves towards Keld. Keld nods, and walks off, leaving the battle against the Corruptions leaders to the dwarf. The dwarf pulls out a plain looking and battered waraxe, and steps forward with an air of confidence. "I am Throthgar Hammerforge, Defender of the Halls of Riches," he bellows in a deep, booming voice, "anybody got somethin' I can maim?"
Dyne 12-15-04, 06:26 PM	Skygge arent dragon class, besides, if you wanna play that way, I could always bring Droga the lightbane out. He would tear your great wyrm gold dragon apart. Easily. Besides, how else do you expect me to fight armies? A big stick? Divine Rank posts (gods taking part in the action) is supposed to be reserved to the GM's. Also, all NPC's (except for Cohorts/Followers/Hirelings) are also supposed to be controlled by the GM's. Playing like this will just encourage people to start throwing huge, powerful NPC's into the battle, which is what I tried to AVOID at the Meta-Thread. The focus is supposed to be on the PC's, not NPC's. EDIT: Actually, this looks like what is already happening: a war of who can come up with the biggest NPC and a ridiculous reason the allow it to be used in battle. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Dyne 12-15-04, 06:30 PM	I understand this, but I think that even just a few skygge could mop the floor with our troops, since our troops can't even hit them. I say we leave our minions to battle amongst themselves, and we ourselves shall fight each other. A dwarf in a massive suit of black armor practically rolls into the hall, and immediatly moves towards Keld. Keld nods, and walks off, leaving the battle against the Corruptions leaders to the dwarf. The dwarf pulls out a plain looking and battered waraxe, and steps forward with an air of confidence. "I am Throthgar Hammerforge, Defender of the Halls of Riches," he bellows in a deep, booming voice, "anybody got somethin' I can maim?" Is he of the Hammerforge Corporation?
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 06:35 PM	Is he of the Hammerforge Corporation? What the Hell is that? This is the name of the second character I ever made (although I never actually got to use him in a campaign). Although, originally he was a Paladin of Moradin, not a fighter.
Dyne 12-15-04, 06:37 PM	What the Hell is that? This is the name of the second character I ever made (although I never actually got to use him in a campaign). Although, originally he was a Paladin of Moradin, not a fighter. It's a shop at the Merchants Guild that receives almost all the business, rather than the other shops. :weep:
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 06:46 PM	Well, in answer to your guestion, no, he is not associated with them.
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-15-04, 07:00 PM	Divine Rank posts (gods taking part in the action) is supposed to be reserved to the GM's. Also, all NPC's (except for Cohorts/Followers/Hirelings) are also supposed to be controlled by the GM's. Playing like this will just encourage people to start throwing huge, powerful NPC's into the battle, which is what I tried to AVOID at the Meta-Thread. The focus is supposed to be on the PC's, not NPC's. EDIT: Actually, this looks like what is already happening: a war of who can come up with the biggest NPC and a ridiculous reason the allow it to be used in battle. :mad: :mad: :mad: So far, Orcy has only seen NPCs that are weaker than the PCs fighting. There have been THREATS of more powerful NPCs (which arent allowed) but no acutal showing of them yet.
Dyne 12-15-04, 07:08 PM	So far, Orcy has only seen NPCs that are weaker than the PCs fighting. There have been THREATS of more powerful NPCs (which arent allowed) but no acutal showing of them yet. I don't know. I think those Siege Kraken are more than CR 15. I don't mean any offense to Droga, Von Crown, or Demonfey, I think all the creatures they have released are totally cool. But I'd prefer wars to be fought only with PC's and their Followers (from the Leadership feat). If there were some cost for producing those bugs or hiring the Skygge, then everything is fine and dandy.
Demonfey 12-15-04, 07:19 PM	The cost was nearly my character's "sanity". Also, Von Crown has multiple epic spells, according to his character. The bugs are a new species of his, that are simply to be a challenge.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 07:34 PM	What the heck to you need an extra challenge for?! It's already you three versus us two! Not to mention, how can an ECL 15 cast epic spells? If these things were all separate and overall an equal challenge to our followers, I'd understand that they work as backround fighting. But if you plan on attacking us with them, there isn't much we can do, especially since you seem to not realize that most of our followers are CR 1/2, since a lot of them are first level warriors. EDIT: Oops, forgot Thasis was here, which I'd guess would make it four versus three if he is using both of his characters.
Dyne 12-15-04, 07:40 PM	What the heck to you need an extra challenge for?! It's already you three versus us two! Not to mention, how can an ECL 15 cast epic spells? If these things were all separate and overall an equal challenge to our followers, I'd understand that they work as backround fighting. But if you plan on attacking us with them, there isn't much we can do, especially since you seem to not realize that most of our followers are CR 1/2, since a lot of them are first level warriors. EDIT: Oops, forgot Thasis was here, which I'd guess would make it four versus three if he is using both of his characters. Nope. Thasis the Good is at the Half-Elven Foundation. He has a Hound Archon here though. But, Allegro (Von Crown's character) is here. But, it would be 4 LV 15 Good PC's and some of Cohorts/Followers vs. 1 LV 15 PC (Droga); 1 LV 23 PC (Demonfey); 1 other Epic Character (Von Crown); a bunch of Skygge, each one probably about as powerful as Droga; hundreds of insects, each with more HD than our PC's; and several of those squid monsters, each one I think being higher level than each of our PC's. Do you guys see our point?
Von Crown 12-15-04, 08:07 PM	The cost was nearly my character's "sanity". Also, Von Crown has multiple epic spells, according to his character. The bugs are a new species of his, that are simply to be a challenge. Wrong. Mordred isn't epic, he's just been using teh Blackstar Syndicate's Artifact, the Gene Sequencer (Which I've been meaning to post, but have been too busy). Nope. Thasis the Good is at the Half-Elven Foundation. He has a Hound Archon here though. But, Allegro (Von Crown's character) is here. But, it would be 4 LV 15 Good PC's and some of Cohorts/Followers vs. 1 LV 15 PC (Droga); 1 LV 23 PC (Demonfey); 1 other Epic Character (Von Crown); a bunch of Skygge, each one probably about as powerful as Droga; hundreds of insects, each with more HD than our PC's; and several of those squid monsters, each one I think being higher level than each of our PC's. Do you guys see our point? Again, Mordred isn't epic. I made him lvl 15 after everyone started getting all mad at me for making him epic. Also, Dyne, ever hear of the swarm subtype? Each individual worm probably has less than half a hit die, they're only a threat in large numbers. Like I said, look up the swarm subtype. the stats block I posted is for several hundred at a time. there are seven swarms present- 16 hit dice apeice, but a hit die is far less than a point of CR. I think the swarms each have a CR of about 12-13. Also, yes a Seige Kaken could wipe the bottom of the ocean floor with any of you except Crowley, but these aren't Seige Kraken. They're Psycheken, which are weaker variants I made but have not yet posted. So here they are. PSYCHEKEN Gargantuan Magical Beast (Aquatic) Hit Dice:20d10 (290 hp) Initiative:+4 Speed: Fly 40 ft. (Perfect) Armor Class:20 (-4 size, +14 natural), touch 6, flat-footed 20 Base Attack/Grapple:+20/+44 Attack:Tentacle +20 melee (2d8+4/19-20) Full Attack:2 tentacles +20 melee (2d8+4/19-20) and 6 arms +15 melee (1d6+2) and bite +15 melee (4d6+2)Space/Reach:20 ft./15 ft. (60 ft. with tentacle, 30 ft. with arm) Special Attacks:Improved grab, constrict 2d8+4 or 1d6+2 Special Qualities:Darkvision 60 ft., ink cloud, jet, low-light vision, pressure cannon, Hive Node Saves:Fort +12, Ref +12, Will +13 Abilities:Str 18, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 20, Wis 20, Cha 20 Skills:None Feats:Alertness, Blind-Fight, Combat Expertise, Improved Critical (tentacle), Improved Initiative, Improved Trip, Iron Will Environment:Temperate aquatic Organization:Solitary Challenge Rating:? Treasure:Triple standard Alignment:Usually neutral evil Advancement:21-32 HD (Gargantuan); 33-60 HD (Colossal) Level Adjustment:- Six of the beast?s tentacles are shorter arms about 30 feet long; the remaining two are nearly 60 feet long and covered with barbs. Its beaklike mouth is located where the tentacles meet the lower portion of its body. Just above this sits a hard, bony tube.A bit behind this is the entry to a interior hold (10'x10') where the kraken can provide enough air for 1 hour per hit die it posseses per day (standard 20 hours) divided by the number of living creatures it has to sustain. psycheken cannot speak, but can initiate a basic telepathic link with anything within it's hold. COMBAT Krakens strike their opponents with their barbed tentacles, then grab and crush with their arms or drag victims into their huge jaws, or blasts them at a distance with it's pressure cannon. An opponent can make sunder attempts against a kraken?s tentacles or arms as if they were weapons. A kraken?s tentacles have 20 hit points, and its arms have 10 hit points. If a kraken is currently grappling a target with one tentacle or arm, it usually uses another limb to make its attack of opportunity against the sunder attempt. Severing a kraken?s tentacle or arm deals damage to the kraken equal to half the limb?s full normal hit points. A kraken usually withdraws from combat if it loses both tentacles or three of its arms. A kraken regrows severed limbs in 1d10+10 days. Hive Node (Ex): Master Rank 5 Mind Cannon (Ex): Once every 1d4 rounds, a psycheken can launch a burst of psionic force at an opponent. this is a 5' shere that busts when it strikes a solid object, dealing 3d20 points of bludgeoning damage to every creature within 20' of the point of impact (Reflex DC 25 Halves) (The save DC is Charisma-based) Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, the psycheken must hit with an arm or tentacle attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can constrict. Constrict (Ex): A psycheken deals automatic arm or tentacle damage with a successful grapple check. Jet (Ex): A kraken can jet backward once per round as a full-round action, at a speed of 200 feet. It must move in a straight line, but does not provoke attacks of opportunity while jetting. Ink Cloud (Ex): A psycheken can emit a cloud of jet-black mental force in an 80-foot spread once per hour as a free action. The cloud provides total concealment and causes air-breathing creatures to have to make constitution checks as if they were drowning. Due to their internal reservoir of air, Psychekens are immune to this effect. Creatures within the cloud are considered to be in darkness. So... yeah...
Demonfey 12-15-04, 08:14 PM	Wrong. Mordred isn't epic, he's just been using teh Blackstar Syndicate's Artifact, the Gene Sequencer (Which I've been meaning to post, but have been too busy). Again, Mordred isn't epic. I made him lvl 15 after everyone started getting all mad at me for making him epic. Also, Dyne, ever hear of the swarm subtype? Each individual worm probably has less than half a hit die, they're only a threat in large numbers. Like I said, look up the swarm subtype. the stats block I posted is for several hundred at a time. there are seven swarms present- 16 hit dice apeice, but a hit die is far less than a point of CR. I think the swarms each have a CR of about 12-13. Also, yes a Seige Kaken could wipe the bottom of the ocean floor with any of you except Crowley, but these aren't Seige Kraken. They're Psycheken, which are weaker variants I made but have not yet posted. So here they are. PSYCHEKEN Gargantuan Magical Beast (Aquatic) Hit Dice:20d10 (290 hp) Initiative:+4 Speed: Fly 40 ft. (Perfect) Armor Class:20 (-4 size, +14 natural), touch 6, flat-footed 20 Base Attack/Grapple:+20/+44 Attack:Tentacle +20 melee (2d8+4/19-20) Full Attack:2 tentacles +20 melee (2d8+4/19-20) and 6 arms +15 melee (1d6+2) and bite +15 melee (4d6+2)Space/Reach:20 ft./15 ft. (60 ft. with tentacle, 30 ft. with arm) Special Attacks:Improved grab, constrict 2d8+4 or 1d6+2 Special Qualities:Darkvision 60 ft., ink cloud, jet, low-light vision, pressure cannon, Hive Node Saves:Fort +12, Ref +12, Will +13 Abilities:Str 18, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 20, Wis 20, Cha 20 Skills:None Feats:Alertness, Blind-Fight, Combat Expertise, Improved Critical (tentacle), Improved Initiative, Improved Trip, Iron Will Environment:Temperate aquatic Organization:Solitary Challenge Rating:? Treasure:Triple standard Alignment:Usually neutral evil Advancement:21-32 HD (Gargantuan); 33-60 HD (Colossal) Level Adjustment:- Six of the beast?s tentacles are shorter arms about 30 feet long; the remaining two are nearly 60 feet long and covered with barbs. Its beaklike mouth is located where the tentacles meet the lower portion of its body. Just above this sits a hard, bony tube.A bit behind this is the entry to a interior hold (10'x10') where the kraken can provide enough air for 1 hour per hit die it posseses per day (standard 20 hours) divided by the number of living creatures it has to sustain. psycheken cannot speak, but can initiate a basic telepathic link with anything within it's hold. COMBAT Krakens strike their opponents with their barbed tentacles, then grab and crush with their arms or drag victims into their huge jaws, or blasts them at a distance with it's pressure cannon. An opponent can make sunder attempts against a kraken?s tentacles or arms as if they were weapons. A kraken?s tentacles have 20 hit points, and its arms have 10 hit points. If a kraken is currently grappling a target with one tentacle or arm, it usually uses another limb to make its attack of opportunity against the sunder attempt. Severing a kraken?s tentacle or arm deals damage to the kraken equal to half the limb?s full normal hit points. A kraken usually withdraws from combat if it loses both tentacles or three of its arms. A kraken regrows severed limbs in 1d10+10 days. Hive Node (Ex): Master Rank 5 Mind Cannon (Ex): Once every 1d4 rounds, a psycheken can launch a burst of psionic force at an opponent. this is a 5' shere that busts when it strikes a solid object, dealing 3d20 points of bludgeoning damage to every creature within 20' of the point of impact (Reflex DC 25 Halves) (The save DC is Charisma-based) Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, the psycheken must hit with an arm or tentacle attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can constrict. Constrict (Ex): A psycheken deals automatic arm or tentacle damage with a successful grapple check. Jet (Ex): A kraken can jet backward once per round as a full-round action, at a speed of 200 feet. It must move in a straight line, but does not provoke attacks of opportunity while jetting. Ink Cloud (Ex): A psycheken can emit a cloud of jet-black mental force in an 80-foot spread once per hour as a free action. The cloud provides total concealment and causes air-breathing creatures to have to make constitution checks as if they were drowning. Due to their internal reservoir of air, Psychekens are immune to this effect. Creatures within the cloud are considered to be in darkness. So... yeah... Oh. My bad.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 08:27 PM	Yeah, but anyway you look at it, we're still screwed. No, offense guys, but this is stupid. Even if it was just Droga and the Skygge versus us, we'd still die. Followers are weak little grunts, thats all, and even if they got a natural 20, they still couldn't even hit the Skygge or your Krakens. It's essentially seven to one odds, with a bunch of little shrimps running around not doing anything. The argument that we have our followers isn't valid at this point, since even one of the Skygge could probably take out half our forces. Sure, the total CR is probably around equal, but that doesn't do us any good if we can't hit you. P.S. I'm guessing that you'd all object if I used both Keld and Throthgar, so Keld is withdrawing.
Demonfey 12-15-04, 08:33 PM	Yeah, but anyway you look at it, we're still screwed. No, offense guys, but this is stupid. Even if it was just Droga and the Skygge versus us, we'd still die. Followers are weak little grunts, thats all, and even if they got a natural 20, they still couldn't even hit the Skygge or your Krakens. It's essentially seven to one odds, with a bunch of little shrimps running around not doing anything. The argument that we have our followers isn't valid at this point, since even one of the Skygge could probably take out half our forces. Sure, the total CR is probably around equal, but that doesn't do us any good if we can't hit you. P.S. I'm guessing that you'd all object if I used both Keld and Throthgar, so Keld is withdrawing. I'd be fine with both, if you can remember who is doing what.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 08:37 PM	I'd be fine with both, if you can remember who is doing what. :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh If no one else has any objections then, I guess Keld could rejoin the fight... He is an ally of the Guild, but not a member. I was just wondering if anyone would have any objections to me using both at the same time. I think him and his cohorts could balance out the fight a little bit.
Demonfey 12-15-04, 08:38 PM	Just remember I'll be using strategy and underhanded tricks.
Von Crown 12-15-04, 08:40 PM	I personally have no problem with you using both. Also, (and PLEASE do not metagame with this) Mordred isn't actually here. It's a Doppelvine he's using to control the swarms. Mordred is to paranoid to risk a head on assault, no matter what the odds. Also, I don't think Crowley is coming here, I think he's fighting at the HEF (At least he should be, I think we need him more there anyways). Also, Droga never said these were Skygge Elders. Droga himself is a Skygge Elder, normal Skyyge are much weaker (I think), and anyways theres only like four. So- Seve swarms and Three Psycheken and Several Skyyge- Probably about Encounter Level 16 or 17, Which, for four or five 15th level characters, shouldn't be unbeatable. Remember, Encounter Levels are meant to be about four in a row, just one large fight you guys could handle up to about Encounter Level 18 or 19- and that's without any followers. (Who I'll admit probably won't hep, but you should'nt need them.)
Von Crown 12-15-04, 08:41 PM	Also, Droga isn't here. He's at the HEF.
Demonfey 12-15-04, 08:42 PM	I personally have no problem with you using both. Also, (and PLEASE do not metagame with this) Mordred isn't actually here. It's a Doppelvine he's using to control the swarms. Mordred is to paranoid to risk a head on assault, no matter what the odds. Also, I don't think Crowley is coming here, I think he's fighting at the HEF (At least he should be, I think we need him more there anyways). Also, Droga never said these were Skygge Elders. Droga himself is a Skygge Elder, normal Skyyge are much weaker (I think), and anyways theres only like four. So- Seve swarms and Three Psycheken and Several Skyyge- Probably about Encounter Level 16 or 17, Which, for four or five 15th level characters, shouldn't be unbeatable. Remember, Encounter Levels are meant to be about four in a row, just one large fight you guys could handle up to about Encounter Level 18 or 19- and that's without any followers. (Who I'll admit probably won't hep, but you should'nt need them.) Actually, Von Crown, you should control the swarms in the HEF, and I'll cover the ones here. That okay with you?
Von Crown 12-15-04, 08:44 PM	I'd rather take here, that way I can controll Allegro at the same time. Besides, we need you at the HEF.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 08:46 PM	Throthgar and Keld don't have exceptional intelligence, so I'm going to RP them with only limited tactics. The only redeeming part about followers is Keld's auras. I think we could actually just say our minions (cohorts, followers, and NPCs) are off fighting separately, and the rest of us are fighting a main battle amongst ourselves. It would save the trouble of having to do lots of separate rolls. Also, I would suggest that to make everyones life easier everyone should post a link to their character.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 08:48 PM	Wait, only one of you is attacking us in person? Well, there goes my joy of slaughtering you all. :weep:
Von Crown 12-15-04, 08:49 PM	Allegro (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=4975228&postcount=223) Mordred (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=4869631&postcount=91) (He may show up later)
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-15-04, 08:51 PM	Wait, Von Crown, how do you do that thing with linking to only one post?
Von Crown 12-15-04, 08:57 PM	look at the dark blue bar at the very top of a post... see the number all the way to the right? Click it and it'll open a new window. Then just copy and paste the URL and your done.
thasis 12-15-04, 09:45 PM	So the battle works like this Good Side Allegro Thasis's Hound Archon Agudo the Archmage Throthgar Evil Side 4 Sygge Dyne Demonfay Von Crown
Von Crown 12-15-04, 10:03 PM	@ Thasis 1. Dyne is using Bren, who is on the side of good. 2. I thinkDemonfey is going to attack at the HEF, not here, and C. Von Crown isn't really here either. There is, however- 1 Doppelvine 3 Pycheken 7 Xel'Dri Swarms
Dyne 12-16-04, 02:48 PM	Wrong. Mordred isn't epic, he's just been using teh Blackstar Syndicate's Artifact, the Gene Sequencer (Which I've been meaning to post, but have been too busy). I was not aware that we could use Artifacts yet. Last I checked, they were still trying to work out how to introduce them into the game. My mistake. Thanks for being reasonable. I thought I was up against hundreds of insects with more HD than me!
Dyne 12-16-04, 02:50 PM	Yeah, but anyway you look at it, we're still screwed. No, offense guys, but this is stupid. Even if it was just Droga and the Skygge versus us, we'd still die. Followers are weak little grunts, thats all, and even if they got a natural 20, they still couldn't even hit the Skygge or your Krakens. It's essentially seven to one odds, with a bunch of little shrimps running around not doing anything. The argument that we have our followers isn't valid at this point, since even one of the Skygge could probably take out half our forces. Sure, the total CR is probably around equal, but that doesn't do us any good if we can't hit you. P.S. I'm guessing that you'd all object if I used both Keld and Throthgar, so Keld is withdrawing. Only half? Man, that's saying too much of our followers. A crippled old Skygge could wipe out all our followers without breaking a sweat and without taking a scratch.
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-16-04, 03:41 PM	Only half? Man, that's saying too much of our followers. A crippled old Skygge could wipe out all our followers without breaking a sweat and without taking a scratch. Orcy would like to say that he has stats for the Skygge. A basic Skygge is a CR 4 creature. Not like droga who is one of these Skygge elder things. Besides, they're outsiders, they don't age ;)
Von Crown 12-16-04, 04:35 PM	That's what I've been saying, but no-one seemed to notice... Now can we please get on with the fight... A few people still need to put Initiative rolls up.
Dyne 12-16-04, 04:53 PM	That's what I've been saying, but no-one seemed to notice... Now can we please get on with the fight... A few people still need to put Initiative rolls up. I think everyone put up their Init. They're just scattered between chatter. Let me see if I can gather them all up.... These are the ones I found: 23: Psychekens 22: Allegro 17: Keld Warstrike 14: Bren's unit of Purple Dragons 12: Swarms 7: Mordred I don't think Thasis posted the initiative of his Hound Archon. But, other than that, I think that's everyone.
Dyne 12-16-04, 05:20 PM	If this is everyone, then Von Crown's Psycheken go first.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 05:33 PM	The three Psycheken Float in Midair, and swivel slightly towards the Purple Dragons. Suddenly, a loud screaming soun is heard as three bolts of psychic fosce fly towards the gathered Knights. 78 Purple Dragon, right? so I aim the 20' bursts to hit as many as possible (not sure how they're grouped.) Then the Psychekens move towards Keld, entering a dive to move double speed. Current Position: 100' from the Guild's walls, 150' altitude Blasts (http://krisinchico.brinkster.net/searchroll.asp?username=MordredVC%20atk% 20GoPG#139140) - 24, 19, and 32 damage, 2 round wait now for Allegro, since he's next Allegro begins what sounds like a strange song of sorts, which you now recognize as- you think- his language. However, he also moves his hands, and then he dashes out suddenly, moving towards Keld Casts expeditious retreat, then moves towards Keld spd 60'. Distance from Keld- 30'
Dyne 12-16-04, 05:38 PM	The three Psycheken Float in Midair, and swivel slightly towards the Purple Dragons. Suddenly, a loud screaming soun is heard as three bolts of psychic fosce fly towards the gathered Knights. 78 Purple Dragon, right? so I aim the 20' bursts to hit as many as possible (not sure how they're grouped.) Then the Psychekens move towards Keld, entering a dive to move double speed. Current Position: 100' from the Guild's walls, 150' altitude now for Allegro, since he's next Allegro begins what sounds like a strange song of sorts, which you now recognize as- you think- his language. However, he also moves his hands, and then he dashes out suddenly, moving towards Keld Casts expeditious retreat, then moves towards Keld spd 60'. Distance from Keld- 30' Allegro isn't going to attack Keld, is he? Keld is Lawful Good. Unless I've gotten Allegro confused with his brother. There are 79 Purple Dragons. 78 of them are 1st-level grunts. Bren is leading them at the front, and the rest of the Purple Dragons aren't here. I haven't made stats for them yet, so we'll just assume that they stayed behind to protect the castle. Each soldier takes up a 5 ft. square, and Keld's forces merged with them. So every other square is occupied by Bren's men, and the others are occupied by Keld's men. Also, each of Bren's men are taking cover behind Tower Shields. EDIT: Von Crown, I just realized something. For the stats of the Psycheken, the colon behind Special Qualities combined with the D of Darkvision and formed a smilie. A rather humorous typo, if ever I saw one.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 05:41 PM	it's a 20' burst, with reflex saves, from above. No atk roll, and cover won't help (I think). Also, Allegro is moving towards Keld in case he get wounded, so Allegro can heal him.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 05:43 PM	I'm aiming to hit as many grunts as possible- so yeah. Wow it helps having a board...
Dyne 12-16-04, 05:46 PM	it's a 20' burst, with reflex saves, from above. No atk roll, and cover won't help (I think). Also, Allegro is moving towards Keld in case he get wounded, so Allegro can heal him. Cover usually grants +2 Reflex. And, if each burst had a 20' radius, then each would damage 52 men. (I drew it up on a grid)
Von Crown 12-16-04, 05:48 PM	okay, so they get plus 2 to the reflex saves. But they also probably have an armor check penalty from having the sheilds in the first place... hehehe... So how many men are there, in total? just grunts, I mean. Anyways, roll their reflex saves, it's DC 25, and its a save for half damage.
Dyne 12-16-04, 05:50 PM	Armor Check doesn't apply to Reflex, last time I checked, unless they're not proficient. And each one has taken Tower Shield Proficiency.
Dyne 12-16-04, 05:52 PM	okay, so they get plus 2 to the reflex saves. But they also probably have an armor check penalty from having the sheilds in the first place... hehehe... So how many men are there, in total? just grunts, I mean. Anyways, roll their reflex saves, it's DC 25, and its a save for half damage. DC 25? Shoot, they automatically fail their saves, even with the Tower Shields. Their Reflex bonus would come out to be +4 with the shields. Bren has 78 1st-level grunts, Keld has 60, for a total of 138.
Droga 12-16-04, 05:54 PM	Sorry, almost forgot about this place. Skygge initiative: 11 (http://krisinchico.brinkster.net/searchroll.asp?username=SkyggeGoPG#13914 4)
Von Crown 12-16-04, 06:01 PM	Ummm... I think they're all either dead or dying... Not sure how much HP they have, but or 1st level, but assuming about 15... then the lucky ones are at -4...
Dyne 12-16-04, 06:04 PM	Ummm... I think they're all either dead or dying... Not sure how much HP they have, but or 1st level, but assuming about 15... then the lucky ones are at -4... Each of mine has 10 HP. And that right there just proved our point. 1st-level Followers don't stand a chance against creatures that are that big. :bored:
Von Crown 12-16-04, 06:10 PM	Well, it says something to that tune in the DMG somewhere... So theres a lucky 52 soldiers bleeding to death and at -9 hp... I feel evil... Maybe now I'll start to get some of the fear and respect I deserve as a mad scientist...
Dyne 12-16-04, 06:13 PM	Well, it says something to that tune in the DMG somewhere... So theres a lucky 52 soldiers bleeding to death and at -9 hp... I feel evil... Maybe now I'll start to get some of the fear and respect I deserve as a mad scientist... Wait, I forgot about my Purple Dragon Knight abilities. I think Last Stand gives the followers bonus HP. But, I don't have my FRCS with me at the moment, so I have no idea what my own abilities do. :rolleyes: You wouldn't be so kind as to send me the Purple Dragon Knight abilities, would you? Or, if you don't have the FRCS, then could someone else? EDIT: Plus, Keld has some Marshall abilities. And half of the 52 men are Keld's men. We should really wait until Chosen of the Dark Sun gets back.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 06:27 PM	Yeah, but the situation looks grim for you guys... No FRCS here, sorry. And it'd have to be 10 or more bonus HP to make a difference...
Dyne 12-16-04, 06:29 PM	Yeah, but the situation looks grim for you guys... No FRCS here, sorry. And it'd have to be 10 or more bonus HP to make a difference... It is quite a few bonus HP. I don't know exactly how many, though. :(
Droga 12-16-04, 06:39 PM	Final stand in complete warrior says... 2d10 HP for creatures equal to the knights class level + cha mod, and they have to be within 10ft of the person granting it.
thasis 12-16-04, 06:48 PM	Hound Archon Iniative: 21 (The Dice Roller Screwed up but trust me. Good guys don't lie).
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-16-04, 06:50 PM	Whoops, Orcy was wrong. The skygge are a CR 6. The normal ones. Which makes more sense...
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-16-04, 07:46 PM	Hey, I'm finally back! Sorry, I forgot to log off yesterday. By the way, I'm still having troubles figuring out how to make a link like Von Crown, since I haven't done it before, and the FAQ's arent very clear. Throthgars initiative is 11 :weep: .
Von Crown 12-16-04, 07:55 PM	So a few of the of the soldiers within a short distance of Bren may still be alive, or is final stand use-activated? Also, you click on the post number, which is in the uppe right hand corner of the post, on the blue bar that separates them. Then you just copy the URL.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-16-04, 08:01 PM	Thanks! Throthgars link is up! Now I'll do Keld! :D They'll both be in my sig.
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-16-04, 08:06 PM	*Checks complete Warrior* Use activated. Once per day.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-16-04, 08:29 PM	Keld is projecting Hardy Soldiers (major aura, all troops within 60 ft. get DR 2/-), and Over the Top (minor aura, troops within 60 ft. get +4 damage on a charge). For my first level grunts, just take normal hobgoblin stats, and give them the following items: Masterwork greatsword (350 gp) (damage improves to 2d6+1), Masterwork banded mail (450 gp) (AC improves to 17). One half of them has 2 tanglefoot bags each, and the other half have 5 flasks of alchemist's fire each. I'll have stats for higher level troops later.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 08:43 PM	So... all of Bren's troops are dead... Now I'm not sure if DR would affect the Psionic Blast, what are the requirements for something to be affedcted by DR? ANd how many HP would those troops have... probably not more than 21, which they'd need to avoid going to 0 hp.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-16-04, 08:50 PM	By the way, just making sure, Von Crown, you did have to spend XP to make those things, right?
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-16-04, 08:54 PM	Keld bellows to his remaining troops "Fall back with the wounded! Fall back!" As his troops retreat, Keld draws his blade, preparing to do direct combat with the spawn of Corruption. Throthgar roars "Lets do this thang!" His worn battle axe swings from his arm, and it does not appear to be enchanted in any way.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 09:09 PM	No XP, but I used an artifact to make them... its currently lost somewhere on my computer. It'll be the Blackstar Syndicate's artifact, and it involves making a Fleshcraft check DC 2x the target creature's CR.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-16-04, 09:14 PM	No XP, but I used an artifact to make them... its currently lost somewhere on my computer. It'll be the Blackstar Syndicate's artifact, and it involves making a Fleshcraft check DC 2x the target creature's CR. Wait, I thought we couldn't use Artifacts yet. Also, just a suggestion, don't mean to sound like I'm intruding, but that Artifact of yours really oughta run off HD, not CR, because that is usually how things like that work. Otherwise you could make a Tarrasque for only a DC 40, which is a high DC, but not high enough for something like that.
Demonfey 12-16-04, 09:22 PM	Wait, I thought we couldn't use Artifacts yet. Also, just a suggestion, don't mean to sound like I'm intruding, but that Artifact of yours really oughta run off HD, not CR, because that is usually how things like that work. Otherwise you could make a Tarrasque for only a DC 40, which is a high DC, but not high enough for something like that. I think that I was the XP component this time. I was definitely a part of the creation of the bugs.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 09:26 PM	Just two points I'd like to make- A. The Tarrasque's CR was WAY undercalculated, IMO, and B. Since there's not really any restrictions on what can be designed, one could create a 1 HD creature with Uber-abilities, for a DC 2 check if it were based off of Hit Dice. There's nothing that says High CR needs high Hit Dice. Although, I may change it to be CR+Hit Dice for the DC, what does everyone think about that. The way It worked before- Make check, DC 2x CR, then it is finished in 1 day per HD. So if we used the CR+HD method of obtaining a DC, how would i calculate how long it takes to finish. Furthermore, I have heard nothing about waiting for artifacts. I think the GoUE already has theirs, and I'm pretty sure the GoPG has their, seeing as I helped design it (I asked for clarification and wrote the History), so I figured we were supposed to have them already. If you need reason, Mordred brought the Genetic Sequencer with him from the real Mordred when he came to this world.
Demonfey 12-16-04, 09:28 PM	Also, the HEF has theirs. I got blasted by its lesser portions.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-16-04, 09:33 PM	Yeah, but no one in the GoPG has posted stats for our Artifact, so I have no idea what it does, except that its a sword and shield combo (at least I don't think anynoe bosted stats :confused: ).
Demonfey 12-16-04, 09:35 PM	Yeah, but no one in the GoPG has posted stats for our Artifact, so I have no idea what it does, except that its a sword and shield combo (at least I don't think anynoe bosted stats ). As far as I can tell, you haven't even posted any defenses. You haven't been preparing well, you guys. This guild has left itself wide open. We have begun defenses, plans for our creations, creating things, our artifact, and attacking things.
Von Crown 12-16-04, 10:55 PM	Yes, your artifact is complete, and it's stats have been posted. Artifact: Shield of Light This living Shield of Light is a shining example of merging goodness and a inanimate object together. Like a Wizards familiar this intelligent being is capable of intelligent thought. She can communicate through mental contact between her and the wielder. The history of the Shield of Light is as follows?? (Since Von Crown came up with the idea I would like t give him the opportunity to write a history about the Shield of Light and the living being in it.)) The Shield is an aid to Clerics and Non clerics alike of Good bearing. All Spells the Shield of Light uses will be based on normal rules of that type of spell and the wielders level. When in the presence of evil beings, The Shield of Light radiates bright energies of Light (Some what like Sunray Spell) That has the combine effect of Protection From Evil and Turn Undead on all who are within 30 feet. (This effect is continues until the Evil is destroyed or leaves) Added bonuses include: Full Healing- 5 times a day (On wielder or Friend) Bless- 2 times a day (On Wielder and Friend) Cast Blinding Light- 4 times a day (Blinds Evil Creatures level 15 and below and last 10 game rounds.) Adds Constitution- + 8 (On Wielder) Only useable by Good Aligned people with Charisma 12 or higher and the Class of: Knight level 7 or higher Cleric level 5 or higher Druid level 5 or higher Monk level 6 or higher I know because I helped make it, and it's just a sheild, not a sheild/sword combo.
thasis 12-17-04, 10:07 AM	I have a feeling this isn't going to work out for me so... A small crippled figure walks into the room. He waves his hands and the whole Guild of Pure Good starts to shimmer with a glowing light. After about a 10 seconds of glowing light the Guild of Pure Good (but nobody not even the Good Members) are transported away to some secret location. The old man looks up and says. My time is done. Strike me down and do it quick. He then neels to one of the Skygge. That was my guild elder. He basically sacrificed himeself to save the GoPG. And yes he was a NPC. And no he dosn't actualy fight in the battle. He's more of a back up plan to rescue us from sheer destruction. And yes his magical powers were drained from him during the casting of the powerful Teleport spell and yes thats why he gave himeself up.
Dyne 12-17-04, 12:14 PM	So... all of Bren's troops are dead... Now I'm not sure if DR would affect the Psionic Blast, what are the requirements for something to be affedcted by DR? ANd how many HP would those troops have... probably not more than 21, which they'd need to avoid going to 0 hp. I thought you said they were at -9. How much damage did that blast do? And half of the men were Keld's troops.
Demonfey 12-17-04, 09:46 PM	I have a feeling this isn't going to work out for me so... A small crippled figure walks into the room. He waves his hands and the whole Guild of Pure Good starts to shimmer with a glowing light. After about a 10 seconds of glowing light the Guild of Pure Good (but nobody not even the Good Members) are transported away to some secret location. The old man looks up and says. My time is done. Strike me down and do it quick. He then neels to one of the Skygge. That was my guild elder. He basically sacrificed himeself to save the GoPG. And yes he was a NPC. And no he dosn't actualy fight in the battle. He's more of a back up plan to rescue us from sheer destruction. And yes his magical powers were drained from him during the casting of the powerful Teleport spell and yes thats why he gave himeself up. {Crowley appears behind the elder and grabs hie shoulder} Oh, but you can tell us so much, sir. And I can find out what I want any number of ways...
Dyne 12-17-04, 09:48 PM	Dyne appears behind Crowley. "You wouldn't want to do anything drastic, friend."
Demonfey 12-17-04, 09:49 PM	Why do you think I have this charming eye?
Dyne 12-17-04, 09:51 PM	Why do you think I have this charming eye? "It is my duty to protect those of the Guild of Pure Good. Leave this place in peace. It would be a shame to have a split in the Council of Archmages on such hallowed soil."
Demonfey 12-17-04, 09:54 PM	"It is my duty to protect those of the Guild of Pure Good. Leave this place in peace. It would be a shame to have a split in the Council of Archmages on such hallowed soil." May I at least ask him some questions and try the eye? It wouldn't feel right if I just let him go without even that.
thasis 12-17-04, 10:02 PM	The crippled old man looks at Demonfay and says "You'll get no such information from me". With that he pulls out a dagger and punctures his throat. He choaks for a momment and then falls on the ground dead.
Dyne 12-17-04, 10:05 PM	The crippled old man looks at Demonfay and says "You'll get no such information from me". With that he pulls out a dagger and punctures his throat. He choaks for a momment and then falls on the ground dead. As the man falls to the ground, Dyne puts his hand to his wound. "You will not be gone from this world permanently." He then teleports to safety.
Demonfey 12-17-04, 10:05 PM	The crippled old man looks at Demonfay and says "You'll get no such information from me". With that he pulls out a dagger and punctures his throat. He choaks for a momment and then falls on the ground dead. You know, if we hadn't been arguing, Dyne, I could have stopped him from doing that.
Dyne 12-18-04, 03:38 PM	At the new Guild of Pure Good location, Bren is running around frantically, using his Lay on Hands ability in an attempt to keep some of his men alive. "Don't die on me, damnit!" he says to a soldier who just stopped breathing. "Don't die on me!"
Chosen of the Dark Sun 12-20-04, 02:24 PM	Damnit! I missed the fight because of my piece of **** computer! The internet connection kept freezing on me! :mad:
Dyne 12-20-04, 03:30 PM	Damnit! I missed the fight because of my piece of **** computer! The internet connection kept freezing on me! :mad: It might not have been your computer. The whole boards were shut down for several days, so no one was able to post until today. All of Bren's men die. Bren cries out in horror. Then he dies for no apparent reason. End of story.
Agudo Archmage 12-23-04, 06:29 PM	DYNE It might not have been your computer. The whole boards were shut down for several days, so no one was able to post until today. All of Bren's men die. Bren cries out in horror. Then he dies for no apparent reason. End of story. I must offer my apologies do to not posting, for I had gone on a fun Holiday Excursion. Yet from what I have read their has been Boards problems in posting. Always a good time to take sometime off. :D In any case with Dyne last words is the Guild and the War over? Or on Holiday? ************ Agudo raises his head letting out a gasp of air, as he stagers to his feet. Those who know the Archmage of Light, for his impeccable neatness. Would be shocked at the sight of his blue & white robe; and long cape that are now tattered. Spiting out some dirt, Agudo wipes his mouth and shakes his head. “So much destruction…. All because we waited…. instead destroying evil first” He then says a prayer to the Light for all that have fallen in battle
Dyne 12-23-04, 07:00 PM	The IFWG is either totally over or on hold. In any case, we will totally start over. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch. The War is over. The GoPG was teleported to safety. In any case, as far as IG goes, reality was altered by the gods so that everything that happened didn't happen.
Demonfey 12-24-04, 12:49 AM	The IFWG is either totally over or on hold. In any case, we will totally start over. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch. The War is over. The GoPG was teleported to safety. In any case, as far as IG goes, reality was altered by the gods so that everything that happened didn't happen. And people have confused memories causing them to harmlessly wander around trying to figure out what the Hell happened, unless they think very clearly.
Dyne 12-24-04, 12:51 AM	*People wander around, bumping into each other* Dyne is too smart to be affected by it. He has had his reality shifted so many times that he's used to it by now. :D
Von Crown 12-24-04, 12:29 PM	Would immunity to Mind-Affecting effects allow me to remember? Probably... So, what prompted this time-reversal memory wipe by the gods anyways?
Agudo Archmage 12-24-04, 06:19 PM	Von Crown Would immunity to Mind-Affecting effects allow me to remember? Probably... So, what prompted this time-reversal memory wipe by the gods anyways? I am not sure.... but from all the debating that I saw in the last two pages It would seem that the PMing was more heated than normal. :(
Demonfey 12-24-04, 08:04 PM	Would immunity to Mind-Affecting effects allow me to remember? Probably... So, what prompted this time-reversal memory wipe by the gods anyways? Not reversal. Complete altering of events. This was caused by a flaming war on too many threads, and it even caused Droga to leave, apparently. What I said was more for comedic value than actual occurrences.
Dyne 12-24-04, 08:20 PM	Would immunity to Mind-Affecting effects allow me to remember? Probably... So, what prompted this time-reversal memory wipe by the gods anyways? Look at the HEF, the Metathread, and the post by WizO_Catoblepas. Basically, the WizO's were sick of our crap, so they shut things down.
Von Crown 12-26-04, 01:38 PM	Gotcha. And my post was supposed to be funny too (aside from the question). Uhh... *twiddles thumbs*
Demonfey 12-30-04, 10:48 PM	Cazic has a small challenge for you guys. I will be coming to help, because I originally took it on.
Silmarien Aldalome 12-30-04, 11:49 PM	Hi everyone - just a quick post to ask for your contributions to a Poll thread, this forum. Regards stav
Demonfey 01-01-05, 02:19 PM	{Crowley walks in, being followed by a human woman and a...CELESTIAL?!? You all puzzle over why a celestial is talking with someone like Crowley, who is turning a lute over in his hands. You catch a snippet of conversation...} ...Ah there I am. I told you I fought your father at some point. See here? {The human woman looks at where he points, and he hands the lute to her.}
Cazic 01-01-05, 02:31 PM	"I see. You were right you did fight him. Ya! and I remember the part in the song were you fought him now as well." The woman looks back at the Lute. "I only hope we can find Mother and Father." says the young ladie with a sad look in her eyes.
Demonfey 01-02-05, 12:06 AM	"I see. You were right you did fight him. Ya! and I remember the part in the song were you fought him now as well." The woman looks back at the Lute. "I only hope we can find Mother and Father." says the young ladie with a sad look in her eyes. At least you know you have family. Always better than the knowledge that you are condemned to walk the paths of eternity alone.
Agudo Archmage 01-02-05, 12:40 AM	Its always fun to have the Guild of Pure Good up and running. :) But wasnt it closed down for some reason? :confused:
Demonfey 01-02-05, 12:42 AM	Its always fun to have the Guild of Pure Good up and running. :) But wasnt it closed down for some reason? :confused: That was the HEF, because of a dam of anger suddenly bursting all over the boards.
Demonfey 01-02-05, 01:07 AM	Is anyone here? If so, I'll let you know now that I have retired as an active GoUE member! We're coming in! {Crowley turns towards Siren} @Cazic: I'm not exactly welcome here, so I just wanted to make sure they didn't see this as a hostile action from another guild and restart the guild wars. I'll go in first, to make sure they haven't decided to try and take my head off. {With that, Crowley walks in.}
Cazic 01-02-05, 10:12 AM	As Crowley walks in Siren follows a few paces behind him keeping her eyes open watching for any traps.
thasis 01-02-05, 03:15 PM	Thasis the Good enters the guild halls. "Crowly, what in the Nine Hells is your filth doing in my holy halls. You aren't welcome here. Leave and retreat to your guild of evil and stay away from those that are pure. Do not pressume to insult my people and alignment. LEAVE!!!" I'm back and kicking.
Cazic 01-02-05, 03:31 PM	Thasis the Good enters the guild halls. "Crowly, what in the Nine Hells is your filth doing in my holy halls. You aren't welcome here. Leave and retreat to your guild of evil and stay away from those that are pure. Do not pressume to insult my people and alignment. LEAVE!!!" I'm back and kicking. Siren steps inbetween thasis and Crowley And looks thasis in the eyes. You can see anger in them. "Crowly is no longer a member of the GoUE or did you not hear him yelling that he comes in peace. He comes here trying to help me find my Mother and Father. He comes here trying to prefore a act of GOOD!"
Demonfey 01-02-05, 06:35 PM	Thasis the Good enters the guild halls. "Crowly, what in the Nine Hells is your filth doing in my holy halls. You aren't welcome here. Leave and retreat to your guild of evil and stay away from those that are pure. Do not pressume to insult my people and alignment. LEAVE!!!" She's telling the truth. I fought her old man in the past, long before she was born, and he is the one who in truth gave me my aurorum arm. I owe him and his family a favor. Also, I've retired from the GoUE, and have left someone I trust in my place.
Demonfey 01-02-05, 08:39 PM	@Cazic: May I see the scene where your father is trapped again? I want to see if I can recognize it.
Cazic 01-02-05, 08:50 PM	"Yes. I hope you find something." Siren then hands Crowley the Lute of Self-carving.
Demonfey 01-02-05, 08:51 PM	"Yes. I hope you find something." Siren then hands Crowley the Lute of Self-carving. Scene description, please? Preferrably something in the Abyss or the upper planes? I can make up where.
Cazic 01-02-05, 09:09 PM	Scene description, please? oh sorry. doing multipul things right now. As Crowley looks upon the carvings he focuses on the ending. He sees a large group of Celestials, baring the sympol of a crescent moon and a sword, draging two chained beings. One is a yound human Female with the sympol of the Sweetflute clan on her shoulder. The other is a large Celestial. He is very well muscled and has long white hair. In the next scene you see a large tower made of pure black onyx. You can see little of the surronding area, but of what you can see it is a barren and lifeless place. The hole area is nothing but grey rocks and large holes. On the tower you can see carvings and sympols. You asume they are magical glyphs and wards of great power.
Demonfey 01-02-05, 09:27 PM	oh sorry. doing multipul things right now. As Crowley looks upon the carvings he focuses on the ending. He sees a large group of Celestials, baring the sympol of a crescent moon and a sword, draging two chained beings. One is a yound human Female with the sympol of the Sweetflute clan on her shoulder. The other is a large Celestial. He is very well muscled and has long white hair. In the next scene you see a large tower made of pure black onyx. You can see little of the surronding area, but of what you can see it is a barren and lifeless place. The hole area is nothing but grey rocks and large holes. On the tower you can see carvings and sympols. You asume they are magical glyphs and wards of great power. I recognize the tower. It was the place I spent the first twenty years of my life. Since that was about 19,980 years ago, I have tried to keep it in good shape since then. Unfortunately, the area around it died and became a wasteland.
Cazic 01-02-05, 09:36 PM	"I am guessing you haven' t been there in the past 15 years then or you would have know that there was someone trapped in there." says a figure behind you. When you turn around you see a dark blur of movement then...nothing. Whoever was there has left.
Demonfey 01-02-05, 09:39 PM	"I am guessing you haven' t been there in the past 15 years then or you would have know that there was someone trapped in there." says a figure behind you. When you turn around you see a dark blur of movement then...nothing. Whoever was there has left. The voice was right. I have been away for fifty years, actually, from many unfortunate circumstances. {Crowley casts true seeing}
Cazic 01-02-05, 09:49 PM	The voice was right. I have been away for fifty years, actually, from many unfortunate circumstances. {Crowley casts true seeing} As Crowley looks around he sees nothing, but he then hears a voice behind him once again. "Greed and ambition scatter in the darkness leaving dubious rumors to flutter in public. Depart not from the path of richusness less you arrive at the path of destruction." As Crowley swings his head around he once more sees nothing but a dark blur of movement.
Demonfey 01-02-05, 09:52 PM	As Crowley looks around he sees nothing, but he then hears a voice behind him once again. "Greed and ambition scatter in the darkness leaving dubious rumors to flutter in public. Depart not from the path of richusness less you arrive on the path of destruction." As Crowley swings his head around he once more sees nothing but a dark blur of movement. {Crowley casts time stop, and lays a large amount of sovereign glue on the ground everywhere there aren't people. When he comes out, he is standing in a spot without sovereign glue where he was} It is far too late for me. I left the path of the righteous the day I met my father.
Cazic 01-02-05, 09:57 PM	{Crowley casts time stop, and lays a large amount of sovereign glue on the ground everywhere there aren't people. When he comes out, he is standing in a spot without sovereign glue where he was} It is far too late for me. I left the path of the righteous the day I met my father. After saying this Crowley hears a voice from outside the guild hall. "The path of rightusness is not a path that once left you can never return to. It is a path that all leave then return to. Wether they return for a instant or a lifetime is depedent on those who travel it."
Demonfey 01-02-05, 10:02 PM	After saying this Crowley hears a voice from outside the guild hall. "The path of righteous is not a path that once left you can never return to. It is a path that all leave then return to. Wether they return for a instant or a lifetime is depedent on those who travel it." I know. I do not claim to be righteous. I never have. And if you keep acting like this, I will not talk to you. Now show yourself. {With that, Crowley turns the sovereign glue into air using shadowstarfire.}
Cazic 01-02-05, 10:14 PM	I know. I do not claim to be righteous. I never have. And if you keep acting like this, I will not talk to you. Now show yourself. {With that, Crowley turns the sovereign glue into air using shadowstarfire.} "If you wish to see me you need only look." After hearing this you hear a jangaling sound that leads you to a tree branch that is growing into the guild hall through a window. When you look you see a hooded figure about 2'6". He is wearring lose wrapingings around his body. He is holding a staff that is twice his height with a golden eye at the top that has two large gold rings attached to one end. Around his neck you see a thin black board about 2" thick and 1' top to bottom and side to side. It has a picture of a eye on it that takes up the hole front. As you look at his fase you can see nothing, but the lower half of his eyes. Which are glowing Light Blue. As he gazes at you you keep thinking you see the eye on the board looking around, but each time you look at it it looks the same as it did the last time you looked at it.
Chosen of the Dark Sun 01-02-05, 10:50 PM	I doubt anybody here but those two understand what the hell they're talking about...
Von Crown 01-02-05, 10:52 PM	IU get it, it's an initation thing for the GoUE, I think. Right?
Cazic 01-02-05, 10:59 PM	IU get it, it's an initation thing for the GoUE, I think. Right? no its not. :D
thasis 01-03-05, 12:29 AM	Thasis looks at Crowley with distrust. "I will let you in this guild only because I am of good nature wich requires me to be somewhat forgiving... BUT as soon as I sense even a sense of betrayal I will remove your head from your body faster then you can say cream cheese"
Cazic 01-03-05, 08:44 AM	Thasis looks at Crowley with distrust. "I will let you in this guild only because I am of good nature wich requires me to be somewhat forgiving... BUT as soon as I sense even a sense of betrayal I will remove your head from your body faster then you can say cream cheese" Mmmmmmm. Cheese. :D
grimclaw 01-03-05, 08:49 AM	there should be a cheese based spell just so you could have an excuse to say "Behold the power of cheese!!" in a game,preferably in the middle of life and death combat. :D
Demonfey 01-03-05, 03:08 PM	Thasis looks at Crowley with distrust. "I will let you in this guild only because I am of good nature wich requires me to be somewhat forgiving... BUT as soon as I sense even a sense of betrayal I will remove your head from your body faster then you can say cream cheese" Fine. Not like that does much against me, though. Alright, for all the newcomers, this is not an initiation thing. This is something for anyone interested to take part in to pass the time a bit and is more like a mini-sidequest that probably won't reward any xp. "If you wish to see me you need only look." After hearing this you hear a jangaling sound that leads you to a tree branch that is growing into the guild hall through a window. When you look you see a hooded figure about 2'6". He is wearring lose wrapingings around his body. He is holding a staff that is twice his height with a golden eye at the top that has two large gold rings attached to one end. Around his neck you see a thin black board about 2" thick and 1' top to bottom and side to side. It has a picture of a eye on it that takes up the hole front. As you look at his fase you can see nothing, but the lower half of his eyes. Which are glowing Light Blue. As he gazes at you you keep thinking you see the eye on the board looking around, but each time you look at it it looks the same as it did the last time you looked at it. I know we have never met, at least not in our real forms. May I ask who I am talking to?
Cazic 01-03-05, 08:16 PM	I know we have never met, at least not in our real forms. May I ask who I am talking to? "I have been know by many names in the years I have lived. I am best know as The Trickster. Aswell we have never met. I have heard of you Elemental, but you need not worry I am not here to harm you." After hearing this you see something to your side and turn to see what it was, but see nothing. As you turn back around you see that The Trickster has left. You then realize that the image you saw was a trick used by the Trickster.
Demonfey 01-03-05, 09:05 PM	"I have been know by many names in the years I have lived. I am best know as The Trickster. Aswell we have never met. I have heard of you Elemental, but you need not worry I am not here to harm you." After hearing this you see something to your side and turn to see what it was, but see nothing. As you turn back around you see that The Trickster has left. You then realize that the image you saw was a trick used by the Trickster. Now I feel insulted. Why did he think that I was worried about harm?
Cazic 01-03-05, 09:12 PM	Now I feel insulted. Why did he think that I was worried about harm? well you did try really hard to find him. :D
Demonfey 01-03-05, 09:15 PM	well you did try really hard to find him. :D That was more curiousity and annoyance at not being able to talk to a person face to face. Crowley decapitated himself once in the HEF to make a point, and he didn't really suffer any ill effects.
Cazic 01-03-05, 09:16 PM	That was more curiousity and annoyance at not being able to talk to a person face to face. Crowley decapitated himself once in the HEF to make a point, and he didn't really suffer any ill effects. :eek: There are more than one way a person can be harmed.
Demonfey 01-03-05, 09:21 PM	:eek: There are more than one way a person can be harmed. Yeah, but he has been hit by a lot in his time, and so he just kind of ignores it now. Shall we go try and find your dad, Siren?
Cazic 01-03-05, 09:23 PM	Yeah, but he has been hit by a lot in his time, and so he just kind of ignores it now. Shall we go try and find your dad, Siren? Yes I would like that a great deal.
Demonfey 01-03-05, 09:24 PM	Yes I would like that a great deal. Last call for anyone interested in helping!
Cazic 01-03-05, 09:33 PM	Anyone is welcome to come and help us on this quest of righteous in finding my lost parents.
Demonfey 01-03-05, 09:51 PM	Anyone is welcome to come and help us on this quest of righteous in finding my lost parents. Apparently, no one is interested. I'll leave the gate open if they decide to come after us. {With that, he weaves a spell that creates a gate, right at the door of the keep.} There are probably some things that have moved in, so I should go first. {With that, he steps through.}
Cazic 01-03-05, 10:10 PM	After seeing the Crowley had past throught the portal safely Siren walks through. As she does this she hopes that she wont have to fight. OOC: and i dont think she can since her template hasnt been finish, posted, or approved. :weep:
Demonfey 01-04-05, 02:57 PM	After seeing the Crowley had past throught the portal safely Siren walks through. As she does this she hopes that she wont have to fight. OOC: and i dont think she can since her template hasnt been finish, posted, and approved. :weep: And that is why I came along. Come on. I bet your father is being held near the top, since my adopted mother had her lab up there, and her summoning circle.
Cazic 01-04-05, 06:10 PM	And that is why I came along. Come on. I bet your father is being held near the top, since my adopted mother had her lab up there, and her summoning circle. Yes it looks as though most of the runes are aswell at the top. I suppoce the group of Celetials added some of their own. If there is anything Siren can do without a aproved template do not hesitate to ask. :D
Demonfey 01-04-05, 07:08 PM	Yes it looks as though most of the runes are aswell at the top. I suppoce the group of Celetials added some of their own. If there is anything Siren can do without a aproved template do not hesitate to ask. :D Hang on to my back. We are going to investigate the upper levels. {With that, he crouches down enough for Siren to be able to get a good grip around his neck.}
Cazic 01-04-05, 09:53 PM	Hang on to my back. We are going to investigate the upper levels. {With that, he crouches down enough for Siren to be able to get a good grip around his neck.} After climing onto Crowley's back Siren makes sure she has a good hold and then looks up to the tower with hope and joy filling her soul. ooc: Ahhhhhhhhhhh! The fire! It burns! :D
Demonfey 01-04-05, 10:01 PM	After climing onto Crowley's back Siren makes sure she has a good hold and then looks up to the tower with hope and joy filling her soul. ooc: Ahhhhhhhhhhh! The fire! It burns! :D I can control that, unless some of my blood and innards spill onto someone... Hang on... {With that, Crowley flies up. As he reaches the top, he releases a blast that splits into multiple parts and strikes the wards that he doesn't recognize from his earlier visits, before landing on the roof.} It's okay to let go now. Thank you for flying Air Demonfey. Please wait until the half demon has come to a complete stop before releasing your death grip. We hope you enjoy your stay at... :D
Cazic 01-04-05, 10:03 PM	I can control that, unless some of my blood and innards spill onto someone... Hang on... {With that, Crowley flies up. As he reaches the top, he releases a blast that splits into multiple parts and strikes the wards that he doesn't recognize from his earlier visits, before landing on the roof.} It's okay to let go now. Thank you for flying Air Demonfey. Please wait until the half demon has come to a complete stop before releasing your death grip. We hope you enjoy your stay at... :D We are coming Father. [EDIT] DIE SIG God that sounds corny :gah:
Demonfey 01-04-05, 10:05 PM	We are coming Father. [EDIT] DIE SIG Not necessary here.
Cazic 01-04-05, 10:08 PM	Not necessary here. Oh ya we are in GoPG not BLue Lizard. MAY THE SIGS LIVE FOREVER!
Demonfey 01-04-05, 10:09 PM	We are coming Father. [EDIT] DIE SIG We are currently right above the lab, near the entrance. I memorized every detail of this place. I need to check something, so watch for anything coming towards us, please. If you see anything, yell and point. {With that, Crowley casts a spell, and his eyes begin to glow blue as he sweeps his gaze over the roof.} Casts true seeing to see if any wards are protecting the roof from intruders.
Cazic 01-04-05, 10:19 PM	We are currently right above the lab, near the entrance. I memorized every detail of this place. I need to check something, so watch for anything coming towards us, please. If you see anything, yell and point. {With that, Crowley casts a spell, and his eyes begin to glow blue as he sweeps his gaze over the roof.} Casts true seeing to see if any wards are protecting the roof from intruders. "Greed and ambition scatter in the darkness leaving dubious rumors to flutter in public. Depart upon the path of Knowledge and you shall arrive upon the path of freedom."
Cazic 01-04-05, 10:20 PM	"Greed and ambition scatter in the darkness leaving dubious rumors to flutter in public. Depart upon the path of Knowledge and you shall arrive upon the path of freedom." Crowley Someones here. Siren begins looking around but can see nothing.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 04:05 PM	Crowley Someones here. Siren begins looking around but can see nothing. The voice and act sound like the Trickster. Drop the act, please.
Cazic 01-05-05, 06:23 PM	The voice and act sound like the Trickster. Drop the act, please. "As you wish Elemtantal." Crowley and Siren hear this from the side and turn to see him. He is sitting at the egde of the tower's roof and he is eatting..meatbuns?! "Mmmmm. These are some of the best meatbuns I have had in a long time. I will have to give you the resipe so you can make them at the Blue Lizard. You can have some if you wish." He then motions to a plate of steaming meatbuns at his side, but as Crowley veiws it he can see that all but two of the meatbuns are a illusion. "You will have to forgive me I got bored waiting for you so I ate most of them. The last two are for you both" Afer saying this he tosses them twoard the two. "Go on eat. They are not piosoned. You can test them with a spell if you wish, you will that they are safe and you need not worry of wards on the roof I removed them. It cost me a great many Rods of Dispell to do it, but that is alright." As he is saying this he motions to the rods at his feet. You can see a small pile of them.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 06:29 PM	"As you wish Elemtantal." Crowley and Siren hear this from the side and turn to see him. He is sitting at the egde of the tower's roof and he is eatting..meatbuns?! "Mmmmm. These are some of the best meatbuns I have had in a long time. I will have to give you the resipe so you can make them at the Blue Lizard. You can have some if you wish." He then motions to a plate of steaming meatbuns at his side, but as Crowley veiws it he can see that all but two of the meatbuns are a illusion. "You will have to forgive me I got bored waiting for you so I ate most of them. The last two are for you both" Afer saying this he tosses them twoard the two. "Go on eat. They are not piosoned. You can test them with a spell if you wish, you will that they are safe and you need not worry of wards on the roof I removed them. It cost me a great many Rods of Dispell to do it, but that is alright." As he is saying this he motions to the rods at his feet. You can see a small pile of them. You WHAT!?! MOST OF THOSE WARDS WERE THE ONLY THINGS KEEPING THIS ROOF UP!!! {As he says this, you all here a creaking sound.} Oh no... {The roof gives way under everyone's feet. The two of you land on Crowley.} Ow...Could whoever is sitting on my head please get off?
Cazic 01-05-05, 07:05 PM	You WHAT!?! MOST OF THOSE WARDS WERE THE ONLY THINGS KEEPING THIS ROOF UP!!! {As he says this, you all here a creaking sound.} Oh no... {The roof gives way under everyone's feet. The two of you land on Crowley.} Ow...Could whoever is sitting on my head please get off? "Oh sorry Crowley!" states Siren "Hmmmm...I wonder why the roof didn't fall sooner. Oh well. Now then were are we?" says Trickster As the three gave around the room they can see that it has not been used in a great deal of time. The hole room is covered in a thick layer of dust, but in the corner you see a large object shine through the dust. You can not make it out from were you are, but it looks a marvulus suit of armor!
Demonfey 01-05-05, 07:15 PM	"Oh sorry Crowley!" states Siren "Hmmmm...I wonder why the roof didn't fall sooner. Oh well. Now then were are we?" says Trickster As the three gave around the room they can see that it has not been used in a great deal of time. The hole room is covered in a thick layer of dust, but in the corner you see a large object shine through the dust. You can not make it out from were you are, but it looks a marvulus suit of armor! It's okay, Siren. {Crowley gets up, shaking off Trickster, and looks around and spots the armor, and then thinks about something, talking to himself under his voice.} Do I really need a new suit of armor...no, I don't. Siren probably could use it more, and it doesn't look like it is made for casters... {He then speaks up.} You can have it, Siren. My armor is something I had to get specially fitted and made to allow me to cast and use my wings. {With that, Crowley walks over and picks the suit up, before carrying it back to them.}
Cazic 01-05-05, 07:30 PM	Eh. You can have it, Siren. My armor is something I had to get specially fitted and made to allow me to cast and use my wings. "Thank you Crowley." says Siren She then places it in one of the Bags of holding she has at her side. "Were do we go now Crowley?" asks Siren "Yes o' he of great rudeness. Where to now? And if you damaged my items so help me." sates Trickster Do i decide what armor it is or do you since you have been here? :confused:
Demonfey 01-05-05, 07:32 PM	"Thank you Crowley." says Siren She then places it in one of the Bags of holding she has at her side. "Were do we go now Crowley?" Do i decide what armor it is or do you since you have been here? :confused: You do, since Crowley's adopted mother was a caster, and he began learning magic here, not the way of the sword (that he picked up later). That suit of armor wasn't here when I was last here. It could be your father's.
Cazic 01-05-05, 07:35 PM	You do, since Crowley's adopted mother was a caster, and he began learning magic here, not the way of the sword (that he picked up later). That suit of armor wasn't here when I was last here. It could be your father's. "It seems to small for my Father but who knows. Thank you."
Demonfey 01-05-05, 07:39 PM	"It seems to small for my Father but who knows. Thank you." I hope it is your father's, otherwise there may be someone or something else here. We should move on, as soon as I make sure we don't get any unwanted guests from above. {Crowley casts wall of force on the top of the tower, covering the huge hole made in it, before walking to the door and opening it.}
Cazic 01-05-05, 07:45 PM	As they gaze past the door they see a long hallway with many weapons of everykind possible hanging on the wall and a single door at its end.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 07:53 PM	As they gaze past the door they see a long hallway with many weapons of everykind possible hanging on the wall and a single door at its end. I recognize this. I kept a cache of extra weapons to make sure I always had something, but placed a little curse on them to make sure that looters would get a nasty little surprise. If that armor is too small for your father, then this would explain where it came from, if they tried to take a weapon. Since I am here, I can allow you to take weaponry, so take what you want to, but just give me a second, I need to check on something. {Crowley walks over to one wall, and opens a compartment on his arm. From it, he retrieves an item, and touches it to the wall. The walls slide away, and you see a large number of clone bodies, all of them looking exactly like Crowley, and an enormous tome, where you here the sounds of writing.} Ah. They're still here. Perfect. {With that, he closes the wall, tossing the key in.} Always have a contingency plan. This is only one of my cache spots.
Cazic 01-05-05, 08:04 PM	I recognize this. I kept a cache of extra weapons to make sure I always had something, but placed a little curse on them to make sure that looters would get a nasty little surprise. If that armor is too small for your father, then this would explain where it came from, if they tried to take a weapon. Since I am here, I can allow you to take weaponry, so take what you want to, but just give me a second, I need to check on something. {Crowley walks over to one wall, and opens a compartment on his arm. From it, he retrieves an item, and touches it to the wall. The walls slide away, and you see a large number of clone bodies, all of them looking exactly like Crowley, and an enormous tome, where you here the sounds of writing.} Ah. They're still here. Perfect. {With that, he closes the wall, tossing the key in.} Always have a contingency plan. This is only one of my cache spots. "I am further in your dept Crowley." After saying this Siren bows to Crowley in thanks for the gifts. She then begins to gaze at the weapons and places a few in her bags of holding.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 08:06 PM	"I am further in your dept Crowley." After saying this Siren bows to Crowley in thanks for the gifts. She then begins to gaze at the weapons and places a few in her bags of holding. Just tell me what weapons you take, and I'll tell you what each does. I doubt that the GMs will allow you to keep them, though. {Crowley picks up a staff carved with a dragon's head on the front, which then opens its eyes and shakes off the dust on its head. It appears to be made out of the same metal as his arm, and then addresses Crowley.} Took you long enough, Za... mmmph! {Crowley clamps his hand over the dragons mouth as he begins to say a name you haven't heard, and Crowley hisses in angry tones.} Never say my true name! Intelligent staff (CN), with two enchanted sides.
Cazic 01-05-05, 08:11 PM	Just tell me what weapons you take, and I'll tell you what each does. I doubt that the GMs will allow you to keep them, though. She took 2 daggers, 2 swords, 1 battle axe, a bow, and a rapier. why wouldn't they let us keep items we find?
Demonfey 01-05-05, 08:24 PM	She took 2 daggers, 2 swords, 1 battle axe, a bow, and a rapier. 2 +2 defending returning daggers, 2 +1 flaming short swords, 1+3 defending burning ghost touch rapier, 1 +2 shocking burst longbow (or heavy crossbow), and 1 +2 vorpal battle axe. Crowley took a +3 flaming morphing sizing defending ghost touch speed unholy/+3 freezing deflecting sizing morphing intelligent aurorum quarterstaff. I really doubt you will be allowed to keep any of this IG.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 08:26 PM	why wouldn't they let us keep items we find? You clear this with the GMs? If not, they will most likely not allow anything you grab IG to actually be a part of what you get. Sorry, Cazic.
Cazic 01-05-05, 08:31 PM	oh i hope i can keep
Demonfey 01-05-05, 08:34 PM	oh i hope i can keep Bet not. Think of the money you can make from selling them, and you will understand why. Shall we continue?
Cazic 01-05-05, 08:51 PM	Bet not. Think of the money you can make from selling them, and you will understand why. Shall we continue? "Yes let us continue. I have meatbuns waiting at home." I dont plan on selling them i plan on using them.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 08:57 PM	"Yes let us continue. I have meatbuns waiting at home." I dont plan on selling them i plan on using them. Same argument. {Crowley opens another door.}
Orcy The Green Wonder 01-05-05, 09:00 PM	Unless you can afford them with your starting gold, you wont be able to keep them. Besides, Orcy doesn't like the epic crowley handing things out ;) If this were some sort of GM run adventure, then it might be a choice, but it isnt so... right.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 09:02 PM	Unless you can afford them with your starting gold, you wont be able to keep them. Besides, Orcy doesn't like the epic crowley handing things out ;) If this were some sort of GM run adventure, then it might be a choice, but it isnt so... right. As I said, he probably wouldn't get them. I handed them out because I knew this and figured why not. Sorry if I made you mad, Orcy. I at least tried to keep them to things he could possibly afford alone, at least. In any case, this is just really meant to keep us from boredom, and let anyone interested join in, if they feel like it.
Orcy The Green Wonder 01-05-05, 09:08 PM	Well, Orcy's arena is still open. You'll have to get your character approved before fighting in it of course. But if yer wantin ta fight, come to the arena and mention it, Orcy will need to approve the characters he hasnt before the battle of course. But, you can go on with this Orcy guesses. He doesnt see any problem with it, just know that the games have not yet started, so things earned here don't get kept.
Cazic 01-05-05, 09:13 PM	Well, Orcy's arena is still open. You'll have to get your character approved before fighting in it of course. But if yer wantin ta fight, come to the arena and mention it, Orcy will need to approve the characters he hasnt before the battle of course. But, you can go on with this Orcy guesses. He doesnt see any problem with it, just know that the games have not yet started, so things earned here don't get kept. darn
Cazic 01-05-05, 09:21 PM	Same argument. {Crowley opens another door.} is it secret or the one i talked about when we went into the hallway?
Demonfey 01-05-05, 09:24 PM	Well, Orcy's arena is still open. You'll have to get your character approved before fighting in it of course. But if yer wantin ta fight, come to the arena and mention it, Orcy will need to approve the characters he hasnt before the battle of course. But, you can go on with this Orcy guesses. He doesnt see any problem with it, just know that the games have not yet started, so things earned here don't get kept. Ah. That works too. Also, my ECL 15 character still has a few bugs... Anyway, Cazic just accidentally gave this a set up in the Blue Lizard, and we decided to pursue it.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 09:25 PM	is it secret or the one i talked about when we went into the hallway? It's one you know about, and should probably contain stairs, since that would be a way down.
Cazic 01-05-05, 09:47 PM	It's one you know about, and should probably contain stairs, since that would be a way down. As Crowley opens the door he sees a long spiral stairway leading down to the base of the tower. As he looks down he sees a dimly glowing light about half the way down. They can hear thw sounds of metal hitting metal coming from the light and can hear other sounds in the shadows.
Demonfey 01-05-05, 09:51 PM	As Crowley opens the door he sees a long spiral stairway leading down to the base of the tower. As he looks down he sees a dimly glowing light about half the way down. They can hear thw sounds of metal hitting metal coming from the light and can hear other sounds in the shadows. Stay quiet, and let's check this out. {With that, he sneaks down the stairway, with even his staff staying silent.}
Cazic 01-05-05, 10:17 PM	Stay quiet, and let's check this out. {With that, he sneaks down the stairway, with even his staff staying silent.} As they desind the stairway the begin to hear the sounds stronger. Crowly then sees a dark blur of movement. "Trickster?" Says Crowley as he turns his head to see Trickster."Don't look at me." As he turns his head back around he sees a large suit of armor that was not there before and is standing on its own. The suit is made of silver and gold. It glisens with a light that seems to come from the shadows. The suit then speaks with a voice like glass breaking. "Why are you here? Who are you? LEEEAVE!"
Demonfey 01-06-05, 04:01 PM	As they desind the stairway the begin to hear the sounds stronger. Crowly then sees a dark blur of movement. "Trickster?" Says Crowley as he turns his head to see Trickster."Don't look at me." As he turns his head back around he sees a large suit of armor that was not there before and is standing on its own. The suit is made of silver and gold. It glisens with a light that seems to come from the shadows. The suit then speaks with a voice like glass breaking. "Why are you here? Who are you? LEEEAVE!" I am Crowley, and the person who adopted me built and owned this keep about 20,000 years ago, so I have a right to be here. Siren is a bard looking for a celestial that we believe is trapped here to free him. After that, we were planning to leave. Oh, and this is my staff. {Crowley points the staff forward and the dragon head opens its mouth} Hi. I'm Sulkat. {Crowley brings the staff back to a resting position} Now, who are you, who do you work for, and why are you trespassing in something that has been made to look as though it is haunted and dangerous to adventurers?
Cazic 01-06-05, 05:45 PM	I am Crowley, and the person who adopted me built and owned this keep about 20,000 years ago, so I have a right to be here. Siren is a bard looking for a celestial that we believe is trapped here to free him. After that, we were planning to leave. Oh, and this is my staff. {Crowley points the staff forward and the dragon head opens its mouth} Hi. I'm Sulkat. {Crowley brings the staff back to a resting position} Now, who are you, who do you work for, and why are you trespassing in something that has been made to look as though it is haunted and dangerous to adventurers? The armor gazes at the four and speaks once more. "my master's reasons are his own. Only those of the Sweetflute may pass. All others who tresspass are to be comsumed." "Cn we pass if we give you some meatbuns? They are very good."
Demonfey 01-06-05, 05:57 PM	The armor gazes at the four and speaks once more. "my master's reasons are his own. Only those of the Sweetflute may pass. All others who tresspass are to be comsumed." "Cn we pass if we give you some meatbuns? They are very good." She is the celestial's daughter turned mortal by angry celestials. If you are his guardian, then I believe that would settle that. Also, you never told us who you are. Nimblewrights, warforged, and other intelligent constructs normally have names, and tend to tell those who ask out of manners.
Cazic 01-06-05, 06:06 PM	She is the celestial's daughter turned mortal by angry celestials. If you are his guardian, then I believe that would settle that. Also, you never told us who you are. Nimblewrights, warforged, and other intelligent constructs normally have names, and tend to tell those who ask out of manners. When my master forged me he fused a soul into me to make me more powerful. By giving you my true name i give you power. If she if the master's daugter then she may pass and if this is your tower than you may pass, but under no other circumstances are ANYONE TO PASS!
Demonfey 01-06-05, 06:13 PM	When my master forged me he fused a soul into me to make me more powerful. By giving you my true name i give you power. If she if the master's daugter then she may pass and if this is your tower than you may pass, but under no other circumstances are ANYONE TO PASS! I meant in the common tongue, not the words of creation. @Siren: Show him your lute. @nameless: Tell you what...write your name. It causes the words to lose power over you. Also, is your master the imprisoned, by any chance?
Cazic 01-06-05, 06:21 PM	I meant in the common tongue, not the words of creation. @Siren: Show him your lute. @nameless: Tell you what...write your name. It causes the words to lose power over you. Also, is your master the imprisoned, by any chance? Siren then pulls out her Lute and shows it to the armor. "You are Sweetflute. I am called by the common name of BloodShadow. You two and the staff may pass. The tiny man has no reasons for passing. Aswell yes my master has been inprisoned here for years and in that time he changed this place to what it is now to keep them away."
Demonfey 01-06-05, 06:33 PM	Siren then pulls out her Lute and shows it to the armor. "You are Sweetflute. I am called by the common name of BloodShadow. You two and the staff may pass. The tiny man has no reasons for passing. Aswell yes my master has been inprisoned here for years and in that time he changed this place to what it is now to keep them away." Ah. I wish he didn't have to, although it does help me a bit...Trickster, if you move, I will not be held accountable for the actions. Shall we see your father, Siren? I bet he would be happy to see you. {The staff opens it's mouth} Zamiel, what should I...oops. {Crowley looks at the staff with a look of unbelievable anger.} You used my true name...I'm just glad I wrote it down to destroy its power, or else you would be scattered to the winds.
Cazic 01-06-05, 06:39 PM	Ah. I wish he didn't have to, although it does help me a bit...Trickster, if you move, I will not be held accountable for the actions. Shall we see your father, Siren? I bet he would be happy to see you. {The staff opens it's mouth} Zamiel, what should I...oops. {Crowley looks at the staff with a look of unbelievable anger.} You used my true name...I'm just glad I wrote it down to destroy its power, or else you would be scattered to the winds. "Fine! I will stay were." says Trickster. "Crowley let us go Father awaits." Siren says as she begins to go down the stairs keeping an eye on BloodShadow.
Demonfey 01-06-05, 06:44 PM	"Fine! I will stay were." says Trickster. "Crowley let us go Father awaits." Siren says as she begins to go down the stairs keeping an eye on BloodShadow. By the way, which door is it, Bloodshadow?
Cazic 01-06-05, 06:53 PM	By the way, which door is it, Bloodshadow? "The glowing door. I last saw master in there, but he has not left in some time."
Demonfey 01-06-05, 07:01 PM	"The glowing door. I last saw master in there, but he has not left in some time." Thanks.
Cazic 01-06-05, 08:55 PM	Thanks. "It is not a problem seeing his daugter would please the master a great deal."
Demonfey 01-06-05, 09:33 PM	"It is not a problem seeing his daugter would please the master a great deal." {Crowley turns to Siren} It'd be better if you were the one he saw first. While he hasn't been out to kill me, there is still tension over the whole demonic bloodline thing. Call me in if you want to later, but mention that I am here so he doesn't feel surprised.
Cazic 01-08-05, 11:22 AM	{Crowley turns to Siren} It'd be better if you were the one he saw first. While he hasn't been out to kill me, there is still tension over the whole demonic bloodline thing. Call me in if you want to later, but mention that I am here so he doesn't feel surprised. Siren nods to Crowley and then walks down to the glowing door. The door is made of pure Gold and has runes inscribed all across its surface. Siren gazes at their beauty and sees that the light of the door is coming from most of the runes. Siren then prepares herself to push the heavy door, but upon touching it it swing open on its own without the slightest sound. On the inside there is no light and as she walks in she can see that there is a thin layer of dust coverring the room. "Father. Tyrael? Are you in here Father?" Siren looks about the room but can see nothing in its shadows. "Who are you? None of the tower know my name. LIGHT." The room then begins to glow with a light that seems to come from every where. "Who are you girl and why are you here?" Siren then sees a warrior sitting in the corner (here is a pic. I found of what I want her dad to look like). (http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=107&Set=0) "I am Siren Sweetflute. I have come here to free you Father. Crowley broght me here. He met you once long ago." "Crowley? O' yes. I remember him. He was a fine warrior. He is here? I would like to thank him, but first come here my daugter. You have grown a great deal since I last saw you. Now let us leave here." Siren and Tyrael walk out side and up to were Crowley is standing.
Demonfey 01-08-05, 12:14 PM	Siren nods to Crowley and then walks down to the glowing door. The door is made of pure Gold and has runes inscribed all across its surface. Siren gazes at their beauty and sees that the light of the door is coming from most of the runes. Siren then prepares herself to push the heavy door, but upon touching it it swing open on its own without the slightest sound. On the inside there is no light and as she walks in she can see that there is a thin layer of dust coverring the room. "Father. Tyrael? Are you in here Father?" Siren looks about the room but can see nothing in its shadows. "Who are you? None of the tower know my name. LIGHT." The room then begins to glow with a light that seems to come from every where. "Who are you girl and why are you here?" Siren then sees a warrior sitting in the corner (here is a pic. I found of what I want her dad to look like). (http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=107&Set=0) "I am Siren Sweetflute. I have come here to free you Father. Crowley broght me here. He met you once long ago." "Crowley? O' yes. I remember him. He was a fine warrior. He is here? I would like to thank him, but first come here my daugter. You have grown a great deal since I last saw you. Now let us leave here." Siren and Tyrael walk out side and up to were Crowley is standing. Nice picture {Upon hearing the two coming up the steps, Crowley looks behind him to see Siren and Tyrael coming up the stairs.} Ah, now that this has worked out, shall we try and discern the location of your beloved, Tyrael? If you have any clues, it would be helpful.
Cazic 01-08-05, 12:56 PM	Nice picture {Upon hearing the two coming up the steps, Crowley looks behind him to see Siren and Tyrael coming up the stairs.} Ah, now that this has worked out, shall we try and discern the location of your beloved, Tyrael? If you have any clues, it would be helpful. thank you. I also finaly got a monster manual III. it is 3.5 right? oh ya BloodShadow is a Warforged but he has a soul of a elf. By having a soul i think that would make it so that he doesnt have the normal -2 Wis. My beloved. How I long to see her once more, but alsa I know not the location or even a clue of were Petal is. The only ones who might know are those of the Cresent Moon and Sword. They are the ones who inprisoned us.
Cazic 01-09-05, 08:49 PM	Can this now be official so that any items we might get we can keep?
Demonfey 01-09-05, 08:53 PM	thank you. I also finaly got a monster manual III. it is 3.5 right? oh ya BloodShadow is a Warforged but he has a soul of a elf. By having a soul i think that would make it so that he doesnt have the normal -2 Wis. My beloved. How I long to see her once more, but alsa I know not the location or even a clue of were Petal is. The only ones who might know are those of the Cresent Moon and Sword. They are the ones who inprisoned us. You mean you don't have any little keepsake of Petal? Chances are, I could try and trace her through it. Also, can I see the lute, Siren? I just want to check something out.
turalisj 01-09-05, 08:56 PM	would my ranger/fighter undead hunter be welcome here? :D
Cazic 01-10-05, 08:34 AM	You mean you don't have any little keepsake of Petal? Chances are, I could try and trace her through it. Also, can I see the lute, Siren? I just want to check something out. "I am very sorry, but I have nothing of my wife's. Those of the Cresent Moon and Sword took all that I had of her." While he is saying this Siren hands the Lute the Crowley. "What is it you wish to see Crowley?"
Demonfey 01-10-05, 04:33 PM	"I am very sorry, but I have nothing of my wife's. Those of the Cresent Moon and Sword took all that I had of her." While he is saying this Siren hands the Lute the Crowley. "What is it you wish to see Crowley?" Just confirming something... {As he says this, he turns it to the spot where Siren's father was shown imprisoned.}
Cazic 01-10-05, 05:53 PM	Just confirming something... {As he says this, he turns it to the spot where Siren's father was shown imprisoned.} in the tower or being brought to the tower?
Demonfey 01-10-05, 06:10 PM	in the tower or being brought to the tower? In the tower. Any new carvings after that point?
Cazic 01-10-05, 06:21 PM	In the tower. Any new carvings after that point? As Crowley scans the Lute he sees all the same up untill the end. At the end of the Lute he sees Siren, her Father, and himself standing in the tower, but in the shadows of the picture he sees a multi-eyed creature watching them.
Demonfey 01-10-05, 06:38 PM	As Crowley scans the Lute he sees all the same up untill the end. At the end of the Lute he sees Siren, her Father, and himself standing in the tower, but in the shadows of the picture he sees a multi-eyed creature watching them. All of you run NOW! {With that, Crowley spins around to where the creature would be and opens his third eye, creating a cone of antimagic, and hands the lute back to Siren in mid spin.} GO NOW!!! NOTE: Crowley has natural darkvision.
Cazic 01-10-05, 06:50 PM	All of you run NOW! {With that, Crowley spins around to where the creature would be and opens his third eye, creating a cone of antimagic, and hands the lute back to Siren in mid spin.} GO NOW!!! NOTE: Crowley has natural darkvision. After hearing Crowley say this Tyrael grabs Siren and runs outside of the room. "BLOODSHADOW!" After hearing his master's call, for the first time in ten years, he engulfs them in shadow and transports them to safety. All the while there is a small blood red shadow watching to see when it is safe for their return.
Demonfey 01-10-05, 06:52 PM	After hearing Crowley say this Tyrael grabs Siren and runs outside of the room. "BLOODSHADOW!" After hearing his master's call, for the first time in ten years, he engulfs them in shadow and transports them to safety. All the while there is a small blood red shadow watching to see when it is safe for their return. But do I see the creature?
Cazic 01-10-05, 06:59 PM	But do I see the creature? um...i dont have any creatures that are multi-eyed in my monster manual. :weep: Soooo....you can take over with this. Sorry.
Demonfey 01-10-05, 07:09 PM	{As Crowley turns, he comes eyes to eyes with a being that looks like tentacles and eyes upon a horribly disfigured griffon, which then springs at him...} It's a pseudo griffon, or pseudonatural griffon (epic). It is what happens when a being is infected with the essence of the Far Realm. {Crowley quickly brings up his right arm, and the beak closes around it. The weight knocks him down, though, and he closes his third eye. Then, he extends his spike stones, impaling the beak of the griffon. The griffon then takes off one of Crowley's legs with a well placed blow, before being forced off by a blast of arcane fire. It shrieks in pain and lashes out with a tentacle, catching Crowley's other leg and takes it from under him, before being shot again, but this time by a ray of disintigrating magic. With that, the griffon turns to dust. With that, Crowley calls out towards the red shadow.} Little help here? Anyone?
Cazic 01-10-05, 07:38 PM	{As Crowley turns, he comes eyes to eyes with a being that looks like tentacles and eyes upon a horribly disfigured griffon, which then springs at him...} It's a pseudo griffon, or pseudonatural griffon (epic). It is what happens when a being is infected with the essence of the Far Realm. {Crowley quickly brings up his right arm, and the beak closes around it. The weight knocks him down, though, and he closes his third eye. Then, he extends his spike stones, impaling the beak of the griffon. The griffon then takes off one of Crowley's legs with a well placed blow, before being forced off by a blast of arcane fire. It shrieks in pain and lashes out with a tentacle, catching Crowley's other leg and takes it from under him, before being shot again, but this time by a ray of disintigrating magic. With that, the griffon turns to dust. With that, Crowley calls out towards the red shadow.} Little help here? Anyone? After saying this a blood red Warforged, Bloodshadow, walks out of the Darkness. "What do you wish?"
Demonfey 01-10-05, 08:09 PM	After saying this a blood red Warforged, Bloodshadow, walks out of the Darkness. "What do you wish?" For starters, hand me my legs, please. Then bring me to wherever the others are. We have a little side trip to take care of before we look for Siren's mother.
Cazic 01-10-05, 08:45 PM	For starters, hand me my legs, please. Then bring me to wherever the others are. We have a little side trip to take care of before we look for Siren's mother. A globe of darkness consums Crowley's severed legs and then reappear were they should be on Crowley's body being reattached by the shadows. Crowley and Bloodshadow are then covered in shadow and brought to a placce of shadow were Crowley sees Tyrael, Siren, and Bloodshadow siting next to him.
Demonfey 01-10-05, 08:54 PM	A globe of darkness consums Crowley's severed legs and then reappear were they should be on Crowley's body being reattached by the shadows. Crowley and Bloodshadow are then covered in shadow and brought to a placce of shadow were Crowley sees Tyrael, Siren, and Bloodshadow siting next to him. Well that's handy. My plan was to take them as proof of maiming and get a friend of mine to attach a replacement tail, but this is good too. So, what's our plan now?
Cazic 01-10-05, 09:03 PM	Well that's handy. My plan was to take them as proof of maiming and get a friend of mine to attach a replacement tail, but this is good too. So, what's our plan now? "If you wish I could transport you to a plane were those legs can easily be severed once more. It is very easy for me to transport via shadow. I could have you in and out with no more damage then you legs." states Bloodshadow "Or I could cut them off right now." says Tyrael as he swings his broad sword in the direction if Crowley's legs.
Demonfey 01-10-05, 09:07 PM	"If you wish I could transport you to a plane were those legs can easily be severed once more. It is very easy for me to transport via shadow. I could have you in and out with no more damage then you legs." states Bloodshadow "Or I could cut them off right now." says Tyrael as he swings his broad sword in the direction if Crowley's legs. Don't, for the love or hatred of all things pure. I'm okay with this plan, because being maimed isn't fun, and my rule is if you maim me, then I maim you or worse, no matter who you are.
Cazic 01-10-05, 09:12 PM	Don't, for the love or hatred of all things pure. I'm okay with this plan, because being maimed isn't fun, and my rule is if you maim me, then I maim you or worse, no matter who you are. As Crowley is saying this a patch of darkness grabs Tyrael's sword and holds it in place, a mere one inch from Crowley's legs."Tyrael you are master in the tower, but here I am a God and none shall be harmed as long as I am here." states Bloodshadow.
Demonfey 01-10-05, 09:26 PM	As Crowley is saying this a patch of darkness grabs Tyrael's sword and holds it in place, a mere one inch from Crowley's legs."Tyrael you are master in the tower, but here I am a God and none shall be harmed as long as I am here." states Bloodshadow. Alright, now that we are past the idea of removing body parts, how about we think of a plan?
Cazic 01-10-05, 09:34 PM	Alright, now that we are past the idea of removing body parts, how about we think of a plan? "Bloodshadow and I have been trying to locate Siren's mother, but have been unable to find her. All we know is that those of the Crestent Moon and Sword know were she is." As Tyrael is saying this Siren is looking around. "Were is Trickster? He know of this place before we did mabye he knows something."
Demonfey 01-10-05, 09:37 PM	"Bloodshadow and I have been trying to locate Siren's mother, but have been unable to find her. All we know is that those of the Crestent Moon and Sword know were she is." As Tyrael is saying this Siren is looking around. "Were is Trickster? He know of this place before we did mabye he knows something." {Sighs} Trickster, get out here. This normally works.
Cazic 01-10-05, 09:46 PM	{Sighs} Trickster, get out here. This normally works. "I never brought him here. I will see if he is in the tower." You see Bloodshadow's eyes cover in a red shadow which disappears moments later. "He is not in the tower. By the looks of things he teleported out to only the gods know were. What are we to do now?"
Demonfey 01-11-05, 03:45 PM	"I never brought him here. I will see if he is in the tower." You see Bloodshadow's eyes cover in a red shadow which disappears moments later. "He is not in the tower. By the looks of things he teleported out to only the gods know were. What are we to do now?" Huh. Normally, he pops up everywhere. Ah, well. Do you have any idea where the company that imprisoned you might be, or might have been, Tryael?
Cazic 01-11-05, 07:41 PM	Huh. Normally, he pops up everywhere. Ah, well. Do you have any idea where the company that imprisoned you might be, or might have been, Tryael? {Tyrael stares off into the darkness for a monment, lost in thought and memoeries of the past.} "I believe they have a base on the dark side of the moon. If I remember correctly it can only be entered during a cresent moon."
Demonfey 01-12-05, 05:20 PM	{Tyrael stares off into the darkness for a monment, lost in thought and memoeries of the past.} "I believe they have a base on the dark side of the moon. If I remember correctly it can only be entered during a cresent moon." The one place I haven't been...Okay. Everyone who needs to breath to live, raise your hands. {His own remains down.}
Cazic 01-12-05, 06:09 PM	The one place I haven't been...Okay. Everyone who needs to breath to live, raise your hands. {His own remains down.} Everyone stares at Crowley blankly for a monment then Siren and Tyrael raise their hands. Last time i checked Warforged dont need air.
Demonfey 01-12-05, 06:13 PM	Everyone stares at Crowley blankly for a monment then Siren and Tyrael raise their hands. Last time i checked Warforged dont need air. Then you two should probably stay. Unless, of course, that armor from upstairs is something that one of you could use to breathe, or one of you knows of something that will allow you to survive up there.
Cazic 01-12-05, 06:30 PM	Then you two should probably stay. Unless, of course, that armor from upstairs is something that one of you could use to breathe, or one of you knows of something that will allow you to survive up there. "Alas, but no Crowley I know no magics of that sort." says Tyrael "And I know not what the armor can do and would prefer to test it a another, safer, time." said Siren "It seems that niether Tyrael or Siren is able to go and they can not be left in here. It only lasts a hour." states BloodShadow
Demonfey 01-12-05, 06:35 PM	"Alas, but no Crowley I know no magics of that sort." says Tyrael "And I know not what the armor can do and would prefer to test it a another, safer, time." said Siren "It seems that niether Tyrael or Siren is able to go and they can not be left in here. It only lasts a hour." states BloodShadow Take them to the Blue Lizard, then. They can join the party. In the mean time, I will work on a teleport spell to bring us to the moon, find out what is there, and find out what we need to protect us while on it's face.
Cazic 01-12-05, 06:39 PM	Take them to the Blue Lizard, then. They can join the party. In the mean time, I will work on a teleport spell to bring us to the moon, find out what is there, and find out what we need to protect us while on it's face. Darkness then comsums them and when it parts they find themselves in the "Blue Lizard" Inn. are we moving this to the inn for now or what? do i need to make a post saying we came in there?
Demonfey 01-12-05, 06:52 PM	Darkness then comsums them and when it parts they find themselves in the "Blue Lizard" Inn. are we moving this to the inn for now or what? do i need to make a post saying we came in there? No, this is just a way to delay for now, and let you have these characters in the main stream of events.
Cazic 01-12-05, 07:00 PM	No, this is just a way to delay for now, and let you have these characters in the main stream of events. ok
Dyne 01-21-05, 09:01 PM	A man walks into the guildhouse. At least, you think he's a man. But, he has large white, feathery wings on his back and he has a holy presence about him. His garments are pure white, and he wears gold bracers and a gold headband. "The forces of good must never sleep. I am the Celestial James, and I represent the Wizard Dyne. I'm here to help our forces mobilize once more, for war is once again brewing on the horizon, and our most dire enemies are already making preparations. Long ago did we clash against the forces of evil, united in brotherhood for the sake of our lives, our honor, and all that we hold dear. We must unite again, under the same cause. What say you, beings of the Light?"
Demonfey 01-21-05, 10:35 PM	A man walks into the guildhouse. At least, you think he's a man. But, he has large white, feathery wings on his back and he has a holy presence about him. His garments are pure white, and he wears gold bracers and a gold headband. "The forces of good must never sleep. I am the Celestial James, and I represent the Wizard Dyne. I'm here to help our forces mobilize once more, for war is once again brewing on the horizon, and our most dire enemies are already making preparations. Long ago did we clash against the forces of evil, united in brotherhood for the sake of our lives, our honor, and all that we hold dear. We must unite again, under the same cause. What say you, beings of the Light?" {You wake up Crowley, who was taking a nap underneath a book.} Huhn...what? Oh, it's some activity here. I figured I'd just wait and see if anything ever happened here again. Why are you...oh. Right. Your a half celestial and I'm half demon, and half elf, and you are wondering why I was asleep. Can't a person just take a nap every once in a while? They're relaxing... If you can't tell, my mind has gone and I have become more insane and bored as I study for exams. :D
Dyne 01-21-05, 10:47 PM	Lucky. My mind left me a long time ago. ;) And if you want to see a combination of insane and bored, you should see my posts in the CoF. Seriously, it seems like this thread is rarely very active. I have never seen it become as active as the Guild of Ultimate Evil, at least. And that's a bad sign for the good guys. (there can't be much of a game without some strong good guys along with the bad guys)
thasis 01-22-05, 11:54 AM	Thasis walks out of his study into the main hall. Hello Celestial James, or James for short. It is a pleasure to welcome you to my halls. Let us rally are forces once again and come out of hiding. The evil may be strong but we are united and don't risk the chance of backstabbing each other." Yes, lets get some activity hear. It is dreadfully needed.
Demonfey 01-22-05, 11:57 AM	Lucky. My mind left me a long time ago. ;) And if you want to see a combination of insane and bored, you should see my posts in the CoF. Seriously, it seems like this thread is rarely very active. I have never seen it become as active as the Guild of Ultimate Evil, at least. And that's a bad sign for the good guys. (there can't be much of a game without some strong good guys along with the bad guys) I meant brain dead when I said my mind's leaving. I tried to get activity going here with the mission to free Siren's parents, but no one else wanted to be part of it. :(
Cazic 01-22-05, 05:21 PM	I meant brain dead when I said my mind's leaving. I tried to get activity going here with the mission to free Siren's parents, but no one else wanted to be part of it. :( ya I didnt like that either, but things are getting back up and we still have her mom to find so things could start back up. :)
Quarion Liadon 01-22-05, 11:42 PM	<<Nevermind. Wrong thread.>>
Dyne 01-22-05, 11:50 PM	"My name is James, I just happen to be a Celestial, as mortals call us. I havefriends in both high and low places. There are more on our side than we can see." The Celestial turns to Cazic. "I would be willing to take part in this quest of yours. I am certain that my good friend would be interested as well. Can you tell me more? Where might we find this woman?"
Demonfey 01-23-05, 12:03 AM	"My name is James, I just happen to be a Celestial, as mortals call us. I havefriends in both high and low places. There are more on our side than we can see." The Celestial turns to Cazic. "I would be willing to take part in this quest of yours. I am certain that my master would be interested as well. Can you tell me more? Where might we find this woman?" From what I have been led to understand, anyone who can inform us more upon the whereabouts of Siren's mother are on the dark side of the moon, and I'm currently trying to figure out how to get there without using the front entrance, since I owe her family a debt.
Dyne 01-23-05, 12:12 AM	"I am not afraid to use more direct means." At this moment, the doors to the guild house open. An Elf in white robes walks in. His hair is long and brown, and he carries a white staff. After a moment, you recognize that it is Dyne. "It has been far too long. But I cannot abandone the forces of Good to their doom. We must have allies."
Cazic 01-23-05, 12:12 AM	From what I have been led to understand, anyone who can inform us more upon the whereabouts of Siren's mother are on the dark side of the moon, and I'm currently trying to figure out how to get there without using the front entrance, since I owe her family a debt. "Perhaps a mix of scrying and maical eyes can be used to learn of their base and then plan from there?"
Demonfey 01-23-05, 12:33 AM	"I am not afraid to use more direct means." At this moment, the doors to the guild house open. An Elf in white robes walks in. His hair is long and brown, and he carries a white staff. After a moment, you recognize that it is Dyne. "It has been far too long. But I cannot abandone the forces of Good to their doom. We must have allies." Tactics. Few of the people here don't need to breathe, and that includes me. Those of you with lungs have some issues, and they know both terrain and dangers. I know neither. They would also try and annihilate me on sight, and I wish to merely abduct a few and interrogate them in a side room. Rather than have to try not to kill one or two in a head on fight, of course. "Perhaps a mix of scrying and maical eyes can be used to learn of their base and then plan from there?" The problems are range and that they don't show us some of the more lethal, environmental dangers.
Cazic 01-23-05, 09:18 PM	Is there not some way around the Breathing problems?
Demonfey 01-23-05, 09:33 PM	Is there not some way around the Breathing problems? Still working on it. There are probably other issues I can't know of yet...
Kingside_Bishop 01-24-05, 03:11 AM	You find a blank note attached to the front door of your guildhouse... blank, except for three symbols... Upon examination, there appears to be a message written in ink visible only to the arcane eye... -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~--~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- ךּבֿסּ The Shadow's Breath and Blade The Contract TermsHerein lie the terms that all patrons of the Assassin's Guild must agree to when contracting a task. All contracts are considered binding by the Assassin's Guild. The contracting guild agrees to pay the Assassin’s Guild an amount determined by the Assassin’s Guild, which will be disclosed before the pact is made, and which will be paid upon completion of the contract. Half of this amount is kept by the Assassin’s Guild, while the other half is paid directly to the assassin performing the task. The Assassin’s Guild agrees to perform the agreed upon task during the month specified by the contracting guild. If a month is not specified, the Assassin’s Guild will perform the task within three months. The contracting guild may request a specific assassin to perform the task, but this increases the cost of the task, administered by increasing the cost Multiplier of the contract by one. In the event that the Assassin’s Guild does not complete the task, the contracting guild receives a single reduction in the cost of one future contract, administered by reducing the cost Multiplier of said contract by one. If a party does not fulfill its contract obligations (by not paying the Assassin's Guild the agreed upon amount), they are subject to full persecution by the Assassin's Guild.The Price GuideThe Assassin’s Guild requires payment for its services. The cost of this payment will vary depending on the difficulty of the agreed upon task. Following is a guide for the pricing of assignments. Assignments are classified into three distinct groups. Each group has a corresponding Base Price and a set of possible Mulitpliers. To find the cost of a potential task, multiply the Base Cost by the total Multipliers. A task always costs at least as much as the Base Price, regardless of Mulitipliers.Espionage:Base Cost: 5,000 gp Multipliers: +1 per article of information contracted for, if information is specific +1 per 2 months of assignment, if assignment is on-going +1 per 3 members below 10 assigned guild has +1 per 5 ranks of Sense Motive assigned guild's Guild Master hasSabotage:Base Cost: 7,500 gp Multipliers:+1 per target item, holding, etc. if target(s) are specific +1 per month of assignment, if assignment is on going +1 per 3 members above 3 assigned guild has +1 per 5 ranks of Spot/Listen (whichever is higher) target guild's Guildmaster has +1 if target item, holding, etc. is protected from dimensional travelAssassination:Base Cost: 10,000 gp Mulitipliers: +1 per 2 levels of the target above 13 +1 per 5 ranks of Spot/Listen (whichever is higher) target has +1 per 5 points of Fortitude Save bonus beyond +5 target has. +1 per 5 points of Will Save bonus beyond +5 target has. +1 if target is protected from dimensional travel +3 if target is immune to critical hitsContracting an AssassinTo contract an assassin for the performance of a task, an individual (acting on his own or representing a guild) must contact the Guildmaster of the Assassin's Guild in a private communication detailing the nature of the proposed contract. The Guildmaster will then respond to the contracting individual in a similarly private communication, detailing the price of the contract. If the contracting affirms the contract through a final communication, the Guildmaster will then dispatch an assassin of his choosing to perform the contracted task. A party may request a specific assassin whose work they know, but this increases the price of the contract. Because the name of the assassin performing a task is never given to the contracting party, they must describe any taks that the specific assassin has done to contract for that assassin. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~--~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
thasis 01-24-05, 10:08 AM	Thasis the Pure looks at the note gloomily. "Ahh, the assassins have decided to settle. I find them more dreadful then some devils. Decetful, murdering, bastards". He then picks up the peice of paper and crumples it in his hand. "We must never employ the work of these foul beings. Any being in this guild who makes a contract with the assassins will have to deal with me".
Cazic 01-25-05, 06:42 PM	"Greed and Ambision scatter in the darness leaving dubius rumors to flutter in puplic. Depart upon the path of War and you may find enemies to be allies and allies to be enemies." You spin around to find the source of the voice and see a small Human standing in the shadows. As he walks into the light you see him more clearly. He is a small man the size of a Gnome! He has loose fitting cloths all about his body the color of desert sand. He carries a staff twice his size with a golden eye on the top that has two rings hanging on it. Around his neck you see a board half his size that has a eye painted on it. You can see little of his face, but of what you can see his eyes seem to glow light blue with no pupils and as you look upon him you continuisly think you see the eye on the board move, but each time you look upon it it looks the same as before. "I bring tidings of war! The Hef has caused a war to erupt against Droga's people after he offered them peace! Be prepared for what is to come in the future least you find yourself upon the path of the Dead."
Demonfey 01-25-05, 06:48 PM	"Greed and Ambision scatter in the darness leaving dubius rumors to flutter in puplic. Depart upon the path of War and you may find enemies to be allies and allies to be enemies." You spin around to find the source of the voice and see a small Human standing in the shadows. As he walks into the light you see him more clearly. He is a small man the size of a Gnome! He has loose fitting cloths all about his body the color of desert sand. He carries a staff twice his size with a golden eye on the top that has two rings hanging on it. Around his neck you see a board half his size that has a eye painted on it. You can see little of his face, but of what you can see his eyes seem to glow light blue with no pupils and as you look upon him you continuisly think you see the eye on the board move, but each time you look upon it it looks the same as before. "I bring tidings of war! The Hef has caused a war to erupt against Droga's people after he offered them peace! Be prepared for what is to come in the future least you find yourself upon the path of the Dead." I wondered where you got off to, Trickster. By the way, I've been meaning to ask if you have any information on where Siren's mother is being held captive.
Cazic 01-25-05, 06:52 PM	I wondered where you got off to, Trickster. By the way, I've been meaning to ask if you have any information on where Siren's mother is being held captive. "Yes Elemental I have such information. Mearly ask and it shall be given."
thasis 01-25-05, 07:18 PM	Thasis looks angered. He then shouts "Silmarian has gone to far. I and my foundation will not ally areself with her this time". Thasis seems to calm down. "I'm sorry, I'm not in a good mood. I disagree with Silmarians actions and I personally will not provide her with support unless it comes down to the worst. Anyone is free to go with her but I will not". With that Thasis sits down frusterated.
Demonfey 01-25-05, 07:23 PM	"Yes Elemental I have such information. Mearly ask and it shall be given." Where is Siren's mother being held captive?
Cazic 01-25-05, 08:00 PM	Where is Siren's mother being held captive? "I know nothing for certine Elemental. I only know clues of were she may be and riddles of were They are, but of what I do know is this. It is said that she is traped within a tower much like Tyrael was, but it is vastly different. Tyrael was stored into a tower of darkness and pain, but Petal is within a tower no more than a mile around outside, but worlds wide inside. Her prison is not one of darkness and pain. Nor are the lands around it as the lands surronding Tyrael's tower thowe her tower is as hard to find as my homeland, ah how I miss it, but alsa I can not return to it without reasons as honorable as this quest, and of Them...the location of their base is already know to you." Thasis looks angered. He then shouts "Silmarian has gone to far. I and my foundation will not ally areself with her this time". Thasis seems to calm down. "I'm sorry, I'm not in a good mood. I disagree with Silmarians actions and I personally will not provide her with support unless it comes down to the worst. Anyone is free to go with her but I will not". With that Thasis sits down frusterated. "I am glad to see that unlike Sil you are wise enough to heed my warnings. As wise as she is she did not heed the warnings"
Lady Rolindin 01-25-05, 08:16 PM	Triskar being neutral has seen the past and sil is over reacting a bit. it would be nice to calm sil down , I think sil mage is acting like an Lawful good would act, evil kill, kill all evil. some thimes the best action is to accept the truce no matter if you know they plan to plot your over throw. Hopefullly sil can still be reasoned with, there seems to be over reaction on both side. Droga is extreme too in his ways. To me it's like postive and negitive energy, they fight each other no matter what you do, they still fight. it woudl be nice to calm sil down and then have his mage listen to reason and not persue this course of action. Even if just a short term peace, is better than nothing. At least we know the sil female wizard is very staburn , droga's the same.must kill good, must kill good . what are we to do?
Demonfey 01-25-05, 08:55 PM	Triskar being neutral has seen the past and sil is over reacting a bit. it would be nice to calm sil down , I think sil mage is acting like an Lawful good would act, evil kill, kill all evil. some thimes the best action is to accept the truce no matter if you know they plan to plot your over throw. Hopefullly sil can still be reasoned with, there seems to be over reaction on both side. Droga is extreme too in his ways. To me it's like postive and negitive energy, they fight each other no matter what you do, they still fight. it woudl be nice to calm sil down and then have his mage listen to reason and not persue this course of action. Even if just a short term peace, is better than nothing. At least we know the sil female wizard is very staburn , droga's the same.must kill good, must kill good . what are we to do? See what I said IG about good? Sometimes, the LG guys need anti rabies shots, or to at least think further than kill all evil. Hey, I'm neutral too. I'm retired, so I get to pester both sides equally. Now who here wants to get a few drinks at the Blue Lizard? I'm already paying for happy week, so feel free to join us there. :angelhide "I know nothing for certine Elemental. I only know clues of were she may be and riddles of were They are, but of what I do know is this. It is said that she is traped within a tower much like Tyrael was, but it is vastly different. Tyrael was stored into a tower of darkness and pain, but Petal is within a tower no more than a mile around outside, but worlds wide inside. Her prison is not one of darkness and pain. Nor are the lands around it as the lands surronding Tyrael's tower thowe her tower is as hard to find as my homeland, ah how I miss it, but alsa I can not return to it without reasons as honorable as this quest, and of Them...the location of their base is already know to you." Alright, then do you know of anything other than a lack of oxygen on the moon to watch out for?
Cazic 01-25-05, 09:39 PM	Alright, then do you know of anything other than a lack of oxygen on the moon to watch out for? "They know mighty magics, but use them only as Dwarves do. In their weapons and buildings nothing more. They are bound by honor to allow entry to any who need it no matter the race or good/neutral/evil. Though how long they keep you in their base and/or how long you live after entry varies. The paths in front of you are deadly choose wisely the path you take." As saying this he takes a seat and begins eatting meat buns that were in a small bag.
thasis 01-30-05, 12:36 PM	I don't mean to sound like a greedy selfish person, but I am. If the polls turn out that I can only have one character I am going to retire. I will be in the IFGW but only as supporting characters. I will be here for role-playing purposes. I just want to warn you for there seems a high chance that I might have to leave.
Cazic 01-31-05, 09:38 PM	"Are there any other questions you have for me? I have other paths to depart upon."
Demonfey 02-01-05, 03:40 PM	"Are there any other questions you have for me? I have other paths to depart upon." Since you have not given me information to use to sneak in effectively, such as terrain perils, can you give me the location of the portal on this world?
Cazic 02-01-05, 07:39 PM	Since you have not given me information to use to sneak in effectively, such as terrain perils, can you give me the location of the portal on this world? "Hmmm...Yes I suppose that would be of use to you. Well if terrain is what you want then you will need worry of a great number of craters. Rocks often fall there, but never penetrait the Dome and as for a portal I as well know little more than rumors. Of what I do know hmmmmm....." Trickster's eyes glaze over in rememberance of times past. "Oh yes! Now I remember! There are, but two portals I know of. One is in a land very near the mist and it is often consumed by the mists for days on end. The only other portal I know of is in the lands of my ancestors."
Demonfey 02-02-05, 03:03 PM	"Hmmm...Yes I suppose that would be of use to you. Well if terrain is what you want then you will need worry of a great number of craters. Rocks often fall there, but never penetrait the Dome and as for a portal I as well know little more than rumors. Of what I do know hmmmmm....." Trickster's eyes glaze over in rememberance of times past. "Oh yes! Now I remember! There are, but two portals I know of. One is in a land very near the mist and it is often consumed by the mists for days on end. The only other portal I know of is in the lands of my ancestors." Thank you, Trickster. Also, I believe that getting to your ancestor's homeland would probably mean your world, so the land with mist it is!
Cazic 02-02-05, 07:09 PM	Thank you, Trickster. Also, I believe that getting to your ancestor's homeland would probably mean your world, so the land with mist it is! Trickster looks apon Crowley alittle irritated, but then sighs. "As you wish Elemental. In a small village directly north of here on the very edge of the mists you will find a small cave. The cave has but one one path and it leads to the portal. Now be off with ye! I have things to attend to." With that the Trickster vanises with a blur of movement.
Dyne 02-02-05, 10:14 PM	Thasis looks angered. He then shouts "Silmarian has gone to far. I and my foundation will not ally areself with her this time". Thasis seems to calm down. "I'm sorry, I'm not in a good mood. I disagree with Silmarians actions and I personally will not provide her with support unless it comes down to the worst. Anyone is free to go with her but I will not". With that Thasis sits down frusterated. "You are not alone in your feelings, Thasis the Pure. Silmarien has proven to be rather brash in the past. I will not wantonly war against any creature, but it is my duty to defend the downtrodden, who will doubtless be known very soon as the horrors of war affect all."
thasis 02-03-05, 09:47 AM	"You are right Dyne. She has brought a war apon us all. I think I may just have pick sides. I heard my brother, Thasis the Neutrul, is selling himeself as a mercanary for the war. He could be a potentional ally for the right price."
Demonfey 02-03-05, 03:29 PM	Trickster looks apon Crowley alittle irritated, but then sighs. "As you wish Elemental. In a small village directly north of here on the very edge of the mists you will find a small cave. The cave has but one one path and it leads to the portal. Now be off with ye! I have things to attend to." With that the Trickster vanises with a blur of movement. Oh, Garyx damn it, when I said that, I thought he would understand that I meant I didn't think he would tell me how to get to his plane...
Granx Gemcutter 02-03-05, 08:34 PM	There was a loud, thundering boom on the door, followed quickly by several more. As the door was opened, a large Dwarf stood framed in the doorway. Long white hair and a braided white beard was visible over the blade of his Dwarven Waraxe, which was clasped in both hands and resting on the ground. His Half Celestial heritage was plainly visible, if not by the golden cast of his eyes then by the pair of feathered white wings sprouting from his back. He wore Dwarven Mithral Battle Plate Armor, and an oversized Mithral Shield on his left arm. My name is Granx Gemcutter.
thasis 02-03-05, 08:44 PM	Thasis the Good looks at the newcomer. "Welcome Grax. I am Thasis, the leader of this humble guild. Do not mistake me for my Evil brother though for the mistaking of one of us could be a deadly error". He looks around. "This is my wonderful halls. All people are accepted in here as long as they are of a good alignment. Stay here as long as you will and enjoy my hospitalities".
Cazic 02-03-05, 09:05 PM	Oh, Garyx damn it, when I said that, I thought he would understand that I meant I didn't think he would tell me how to get to his plane... Siren looks at the spot were Trickster was. "He seems to not be very good with sarcasim(even more so when there are no signs of sarcasem). I wonder why he spoke of his homeland so much? Well what are we to do now Crowley?" OOC: @ Thasis No non-good people huh? Trickster isn't good. He is neutral neutral. ;) :P
Dyne 02-04-05, 08:01 PM	"Thasis, perhaps we can enter this war of theirs. But not on any of their sides. The Skygge are an abomination, and we must defend the innocent from their wrath. But, Silmarien has been free to war-monger long enough. She cannot be tolerated. I believe it is necessary to remove her from power, or she'll be the death of us all. And we may be able to purchase the services of your brother for this war." He pauses for a moment before continuing. "I detest war, and violence at all, for that matter. But it is sometimes necessary for the greater good. And this time I think it is necessary. The Beings of Darkness must be stopped, and Silmarien must be removed." And by-the-way, this is James the Half-Celestial, not Dyne.
Cazic 02-04-05, 09:12 PM	"Thasis, perhaps we can enter this war of theirs. But not on any of their sides. The Skygge are an abomination, and we must defend the innocent from their wrath. But, Silmarien has been free to war-monger long enough. She cannot be tolerated. I believe it is necessary to remove her from power, or she'll be the death of us all. And we may be able to purchase the services of your brother for this war." He pauses for a moment before continuing. "I detest war, and violence at all, for that matter. But it is sometimes necessary for the greater good. And this time I think it is necessary. The Beings of Darkness must be stopped, and Silmarien must be removed." And by-the-way, this is James the Half-Celestial, not Dyne. From the shadows of the guild Hall a young woman steps forward. She is a tall woman with long pitch black hair. She is of thin build, long legs and large (well you know what the two large object are. ;) ) She is wearing a blood red kimono and is holding a small puppet in her arms. As she walks past you can not, but fell disarmed by her penetrating gazes that seems to read you every thought and emotion. "Yes fair Celestial have your war. Let so many die in the cross fire, so many innocent will die because you cant let go of illfellings toward her. That is how this war started in the first place. Sil refused to release he illfellings of Droga's kin. Even if it would have brought at least a short time of peace to these war frought lands. Have your war and KILL to the content of your ever darkenning heart. Let us see how much blood you can spill and how dark you can stain your blades, but find peace in this when the war is over I will gather up the bodies and bary them as they deserve. Though know this...James.." saying his name as if it brought a bad taste to her mouth. "When I find you'r body I will do more than mearly barry it. I will make you into one of my most prized constructs." Just then five being step out of the darkness. Upon loooking at them you realize they are constructs. "These are warriors of times past. All such powerful men, but in the end coming just short of victory. You will make a fine addition to my ranks. You will surely be my most powerful puppet after this WONDERUS war of yours."
Kingside_Bishop 02-04-05, 09:17 PM	OOC: Would you guys be opposed to me posting some IC stuff here with my assassin?
Cazic 02-04-05, 09:22 PM	OOC: Would you guys be opposed to me posting some IC stuff here with my assassin? doesnt bother me. just dont kill anyone. :D
thasis 02-04-05, 09:26 PM	Thasis looks around. "What are we comming down to. We are supposed to be good. Lets us show are selfs as good people. Truly good people don't start wars. They try to end them. They try to create peace were there wasn't before. Are we truly good or are we just hipocrits. We say we fight for the cause of good but all we are realy doing is commiting evil acts and covering it up with are beliefs. At times we can be no better then the skygge". He glowers at the beings in this room. @Kingside Bishop I wouldn't have any problem with you comming in with your assassin character. Just pretend to be good so are characters don't know otherwise.
Kingside_Bishop 02-04-05, 09:36 PM	Thanks, Cazic. And I try not to kill anyone unless I'm hired to -- I'm morally opposed to it (seriously, I'm actually quite a friendly guy, unless you've got a contract that's been put on you). And Thasis, I wouldn't dream of trying to infiltrate this guild until the rules for infiltration are finalized. Oh no, not until then. And it might not be me doing the infiltrating. But rest assured, I'll know what you're up to... :evillaugh A human midget, shorter even than a halfling, steps boldly through your doors. He's dressed in checkered black and purple, with matching face paint. He carries a Jester's Rod, wears belled boots, and has a Jester's Cap sitting crookedly on his head. He smiles at you. "Hello, friends! The name's Tyrindell... Ryn Tyrindell... Ryn Tyrindell the Dark Jester! Just overheard your problem as I was... passing by! Couldn't help but, you know, pop in and offer a sollution! "See, I'm a member of this rather prestigious little guild, a Jester's Guild, of course! We go around, at special request, and at special prices, to..." he flicks a dagger out of his coat to trim his nails, and proceeds on distractedly,[/I]"...entertain certain... special people... with our... unique talents." He motions at you casually with his dagger, looking you in the eye with a quirky grin, "I think you'd be suprised at what we can do, and how much violence can be averted with but a little laughter..." he winks at you, and his grin spreads to a wicked smile. At this point, it becomes obvious to you what he's really talking about -- assassination, and maybe other covert operations, too. "Because, really, anything is negotiable... anything at all... didn't you get our flier?"
Cazic 02-04-05, 09:37 PM	Thasis looks around. "What are we comming down to. We are supposed to be good. Lets us show are selfs as good people. Truly good people don't start wars. They try to end them. They try to create peace were there wasn't before. Are we truly good or are we just hipocrits. We say we fight for the cause of good but all we are realy doing is commiting evil acts and covering it up with are beliefs. At times we can be no better then the skygge". He glowers at the beings in this room. @Kingside Bishop I wouldn't have any problem with you comming in with your assassin character. Just pretend to be good so are characters don't know otherwise. "Dear, dear Thasis are you so blinded that you think that all here are good? Are you so blind to think that this place is ttruely a place of good? Evil lurks everywere my fine sir. It lurks in the hearts and souls of all those here. You, me, James, Sil, Dyne. None are immune to evil." @KB "It is good to see you again friend. I see you are still "entertaining" geusts with your unusal talents."
Kingside_Bishop 02-04-05, 09:44 PM	"It is good to see you again friend. I see you are still "entertaining" geusts with your unusal talents.""Ah, indeed, my lady..." He sweeps into a low bow, just barely reaching her knees. "...what else would I be doing? I'm only a simple jester, after all..." He grins.
Cazic 02-04-05, 09:50 PM	"Ah, indeed, my lady..." He sweeps into a low bow, just barely reaching her knees. "...what else would I be doing? I'm only a simple jester, after all..." He grins. "Yes of course what else would you be doing." Grinning aswell.
Dyne 02-04-05, 10:56 PM	"You misunderstand me. WAR IS ALREADY UPON US, WHETHER YOU WOULD HAVE IT OR NOT. We can not sit idly while two sides seek to destroy each other and innocents are caught in the crossfire. Neither side is right. One side is that of evil abominations, and the other is no more trustworthy. The Guild of Evil has declared themselves our enemy. We will have to fight them eventually. The Half-Elven Foundation has declared that it has good motives, yet I still doubt their hearts. I will not sit by waiting for them to betray us, as it seems to me that they are bound to. And Silmarien has shown herself in the past to be quick to violence. She is not fit to lead. Her power MUST be broken, and another that is more able to lead should take her place." The Half-Celestial looks directly at the woman who has entered the GoPG. His eyes burn with a celestial fire, and his expression is strong and determined. "Your words are false. I do not give in to hate, and I feel none for either Silmarien or Droga or his kin. And I assure you, my motives are pure. I declare to you now that I am determined to accomplish my mission, which is to defend the innocent, to rid the world of evil, and to help create an atmosphere that is more fit to live in. None of it can be truly completed while evil runs rampant. And I will not sit by because you are afraid to wet your hands in the blood of those who would do us harm and the fools who follow them." He stops for a moment, allowing his words to soak in. He crosses across the room. "I am not intimidated by your threats. I will never become your puppet, and you will never have my body when I leave this world." He sits for a moment, and he breathes a heavy sigh. He speaks again, but his tone is more welcoming and his countenance is peaceful. "Do not believe the lies of the adversary. Peace can be found at all times, even during times of the worst destruction. It is our duty to find this peace and leave it as a gift to those who are in need of it. I believe that this war can not be stopped. Both sides have been intent on it for a long time. And pretty soon this war will spill out upon all the lands and swallow up its inhabitants." "Many men will ride to war in defense of their lives and of all they hold dear. They are right and just in this. And we must support them in their struggle. We can not sit by and let them suffer." He pauses again, and looks down at the floor. He seems lost in thought for a moment. Yet he stands and speaks again, and strength returns to his words. "We MUST fight. We must fight to defend all that is Good and Just. We must fight for the lives of those in these lands. We must fight for those who will be born at a later time, that they may be born into a better world. We must fight the despair that will swallow up these people. We must fight it and give them hope in its place." The Half-Celestial James crosses to the door. "I am not afraid to fight, and die if necessary. And I am not afraid to face it alone. If you trust my motives and believe in my words, then face it with me. I will call you brother and be proud to fight by your side. If not, then turn away from me. If you choose to do naught, I will not condemn you."
thasis 02-04-05, 11:03 PM	"I'm not neive and blind. I know there are those in this room who claim of good ideals but are realy tainted by evil one way or another. But who here isn't tainted in some way. Even I have preformed questionable acts in the past and probally in the future. What I must do is accept these evils and try to direct people in a generally good direction. I have took this duty on myself because nobody else so far has proven themeselves to do what I attempt. I could of course be wrong and I could be leading them to there doom but I shall try to think that I'm doing the right thing. It's probally the only thing that keeps me to my insanity". He then looked at this trickster. "I am sorry one of small size but I'm find assassination imoral and I don't personally don't want to be involved in your deeds. I will not directly fight you unless it is in self defense though".
Dyne 02-04-05, 11:12 PM	"If you will not do anything to handle this "trickster," then I will." I'm not sure if I can actually do anything at this point. My character WOULD pick up the little guy and toss him out of the Guild House for tempting the members. But, my character isn't posted and approved yet, so he can't actually do anything that would physically affect the world. If Kingside_Bishop wants to have his character struggle against mine, than we would have to wait until both of them are posted and approved. Otherwise, he can say that he was tossed out of the guildhouse, cursing as he walked back to his "Jester's Guild" or something. His choice, really, since it's his character.
Cazic 02-04-05, 11:53 PM	(the big speech James(Dyne) gave) "Your word ring a cord of truth. Words that I have heard before." Indecating to her puppets. "I do so very much hope that you can stand to these words. Your type is so much more entertaning alive and as for being my puppet I would only make you my puppet if you failed to fufill your words so that you may continue to uphold those words even after death." She then turns to the Jester. "You seem to be angering many people my friend. Perhaps you should heed their words. I may need to leave soon aswell I may be getting to overstaying my welcome. Even if I did enspire a wonderful speech. It has moved even the souls of my puppets. I can feel them pulling at their strings screaming to join the young one in battle. I may just have to give them that desire. Even if I may lose them in doing so. It would be worth it in the end to feel their souls at peace. Besides if they fall then surely James has fallen to." She then turns her gaze to James. "And if that should happen i could begin again. He would make such a wonderus puppet." She then motions for her puppets to sit and once they do so they seem relaxed. As if they have done such a thing a thousand times before, but they aswell seem to almost sleep were they sit as if they were adventures just returning from a long and tireing quest and feeling as if they were.....Home
Dyne 02-05-05, 12:06 AM	"I have no desire to seek out and destroy either Silmarien or Droga, or anyone else for that matter. But I am certain that their war will ravage many, and I will not leave them to the dust. War must be fought sometimes, but always in defense. This time, I fight in the defense of the downtrodden. Who will stand with me?" My character is treating the game as though there are actually a bunch of people living here, as opposed to a handful of characters that are all vying for the world. The Half-Celestial once again turns his eyes to the woman. "To say that there is evil in all of us is a fallacy. There are very few that are born of evil, and none of us here (to my knowledge) are among them. We are all children of a Good and Just god, and we inherit some of his qualities. We are naturally Good and Just, it's just difficult sometimes to maintain this when we have been parted from our Creator for so long, and when we have been in the grasp of the Adversary all the while." By-the-way, James worships an Overdeity that created all the deities that created all the common races. James's religion is that this Overdeity instructed the deities to create the common races, and he gave them dominion over them. To him, the common races were effectively created by this one deity, and he watches over all of them, despite not being able to directly interfere with the lives of mortals. It's basically a Christian twist on the D&D pantheon.
Kingside_Bishop 02-05-05, 12:21 AM	"If you will not do anything to handle this "trickster," then I will." I'm not sure if I can actually do anything at this point. My character WOULD pick up the little guy and toss him out of the Guild House for tempting the members.But, my character isn't posted and approved yet, so he can't actually do anything that would physically affect the world. If Kingside_Bishop wants to have his character struggle against mine, than we would have to wait until both of them are posted and approved. Otherwise, he can say that he was tossed out of the guildhouse, cursing as he walked back to his "Jester's Guild" or something. His choice, really, since it's his character.Or, you'd never get a hold on him. As soon as you grab him, his image vanishes, disintegrating into the wind... you would then hear a whisper in your ear... "You can't catch the Shadow's Breath, nor can you stop its Blade..." You then might spin around, but discover that your clumsy arms have passed only through air. The jester has gone... but he will be back...
Dyne 02-05-05, 12:40 AM	Or that. I wouldn't exactly call James's arms clumsy, but I haven't even statted him out yet, so I've got no argument for that anyway. Well? Does anybody support James in his quest?
Demonfey 02-05-05, 11:52 AM	"Dear, dear Thasis are you so blinded that you think that all here are good? Are you so blind to think that this place is ttruely a place of good? Evil lurks everywere my fine sir. It lurks in the hearts and souls of all those here. You, me, James, Sil, Dyne. None are immune to evil." @KB "It is good to see you again friend. I see you are still "entertaining" geusts with your unusal talents." And I still haven't left. I feel like finding out what course they will take, and if it will only make things worse, try to convince them to change their minds. "You misunderstand me. WAR IS ALREADY UPON US, WHETHER YOU WOULD HAVE IT OR NOT. We can not sit idly while two sides seek to destroy each other and innocents are caught in the crossfire. Neither side is right. One side is that of evil abominations, and the other is no more trustworthy. The Guild of Evil has declared themselves our enemy. We will have to fight them eventually. The Half-Elven Foundation has declared that it has good motives, yet I still doubt their hearts. I will not sit by waiting for them to betray us, as it seems to me that they are bound to. And Silmarien has shown herself in the past to be quick to violence. She is not fit to lead. Her power MUST be broken, and another that is more able to lead should take her place." The Half-Celestial looks directly at the woman who has entered the GoPG. His eyes burn with a celestial fire, and his expression is strong and determined. "Your words are false. I do not give in to hate, and I feel none for either Silmarien or Droga or his kin. And I assure you, my motives are pure. I declare to you now that I am determined to accomplish my mission, which is to defend the innocent, to rid the world of evil, and to help create an atmosphere that is more fit to live in. None of it can be truly completed while evil runs rampant. And I will not sit by because you are afraid to wet your hands in the blood of those who would do us harm and the fools who follow them." He stops for a moment, allowing his words to soak in. He crosses across the room. "I am not intimidated by your threats. I will never become your puppet, and you will never have my body when I leave this world." He sits for a moment, and he breathes a heavy sigh. He speaks again, but his tone is more welcoming and his countenance is peaceful. "Do not believe the lies of the adversary. Peace can be found at all times, even during times of the worst destruction. It is our duty to find this peace and leave it as a gift to those who are in need of it. I believe that this war can not be stopped. Both sides have been intent on it for a long time. And pretty soon this war will spill out upon all the lands and swallow up its inhabitants." "Many men will ride to war in defense of their lives and of all they hold dear. They are right and just in this. And we must support them in their struggle. We can not sit by and let them suffer." He pauses again, and looks down at the floor. He seems lost in thought for a moment. Yet he stands and speaks again, and strength returns to his words. "We MUST fight. We must fight to defend all that is Good and Just. We must fight for the lives of those in these lands. We must fight for those who will be born at a later time, that they may be born into a better world. We must fight the despair that will swallow up these people. We must fight it and give them hope in its place." The Half-Celestial James crosses to the door. "I am not afraid to fight, and die if necessary. And I am not afraid to face it alone. If you trust my motives and believe in my words, then face it with me. I will call you brother and be proud to fight by your side. If not, then turn away from me. If you choose to do naught, I will not condemn you." Three armies will kill more people than two. What you should be concentrating upon is saving those in the crossfire, and protecting them. Also, the "defend good and just" line has been used every single time someone has tried to protect their own actions by claiming to do it for the better good, in my experience, when in truth it is just as atrocious, just as destructive, and just as evil as the deeds of a demon.
Dyne 02-05-05, 01:30 PM	James frowns. "I see I will find no help here. I tell you now, I will not sit by and allow them to destroy our world." He exits the guild house, leaving the members to discuss the ordeal.
jagggar 02-05-05, 01:41 PM	"To say that there is evil in all of us is a fallacy. There are very few that are born of evil, and none of us here (to my knowledge) are among them. We are all children of a Good and Just god, and we inherit some of his qualities. We are naturally Good and Just, it's just difficult sometimes to maintain this when we have been parted from our Creator for so long, and when we have been in the grasp of the Adversary all the while." It's basically a Christian twist on the D&D pantheon. Christian twist? What denomination? 'Cause that's not what I've learned.
Dyne 02-05-05, 01:43 PM	Erm, I mean, more of a Monotheistic twist, with a little bit of the Lord of the Rings mythology mixed in.
jagggar 02-05-05, 01:53 PM	Heh. Stopped reading for a while. What's the general concensus about what should be done about this war that could happen?
Dyne 02-05-05, 01:56 PM	Don't know. James is gonna go around and warn people about it though, so that people will have a chance to get ready to defend themselves. He also hopes to get together an alliance of people who will try to defend the people in this war, as well as to try to end it.
Kingside_Bishop 02-05-05, 07:55 PM	"I have no desire to seek out and destroy either Silmarien or Droga, or anyone else for that matter. But I am certain that their war will ravage many, and I will not leave them to the dust. War must be fought sometimes, but always in defense. This time, I fight in the defense of the downtrodden. Who will stand with me?" James frowns. "I see I will find no help here. I tell you now, I will not sit by and allow them to destroy our world." He exits the guild house, leaving the members to discuss the ordeal.As James steps through the guild house doors, he spies a massive giant approaching the guild. With hair of blue and skin of turquoise, he towers over James, a tremendous 12 feet tall. He easily carries the biggest warhammer James has ever seen, haft of wood, head of stone, resting on his shoulder. As he approaches, James notices that he has a friendly smile on his face. "Be at ease, friend, I am only a wanderer passing through," the frost giant says, in a deep, melodic voice. He sets his warhammer on the ground as he stops in front of James, smiling down at him. "You must be the inspired fellow who gave that wonderful speech. I heard it, even from yonder," he points to the street corner. "I notice also that you've an annoyed, perturbed expression on your face. Could it be that your compatriots don't agree with your proposed course of action?" He smiles. "Perhaps they do not understand the nature of the beast... war is coming, clear as day, from what my ears have heard across this country. And when war has come, there is but one thing we can do -- fight to protect those who are innocent, and to bring an end to those who threaten that innocence. "You asked if anyone would stand with you, in this coming battle. If you would like to travel together, as companions, I would stand beside you... and call you friend." A shadow passes over the sun, and looking up, James sees the image of a noble eagle circling towards them. As it closes, it gets larger and larger, until it becomes obvious that this creature is no eagle, but a Giant Eagle, and a particularly large one at that. It sets down, just behind the frost giant, and speaks in a feminine voice, "And, if you see fit, we shall fly together throughout these lands, and bring swift retribution to whomsoever threatens our wards..." Her breath on your face feels like an arctic wind. Looking at her, you see that her feathers are silvered blue, not the brown of most Giant Eagles. Her eyes sparkle silver. She is of celestial heritage as well. "This is my wife, Glacialis Cloudborn. I am Orhpeus Cloudborn. We are servants of the divine, protectors of the innocent, and purveyors of compassion. What say we travel together, friend?" Provided we can create multiple PCs, I'd like to create this character, for this guild. But if James is going to go off on his own and adventure against the evil doers earlier than this guild will, I'd rather go with him (though if I could fight evil with James, and be a member of this guild, that's what I would really prefer). This is a very proactive character. Dyne, what are your plans? This guy's going to be a Barbarian 2 / Fighter 2 / Giant 3 / Hulking Hurler 1 / Holy Liberator 7. Here's a picture of Orpheus (a composite of two drawings, neither of which I drew, but that can be found on Elfwood.com) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Kingside_Bishop/OrpheusPicture.jpg) And is that font too hard to read?
Kingside_Bishop 02-05-05, 08:51 PM	Don't know. James is gonna go around and warn people about it though, so that people will have a chance to get ready to defend themselves. He also hopes to get together an alliance of people who will try to defend the people in this war, as well as to try to end it.The alliance you speak of, I could help provide the headquarters -- Orpheus will be taking Landlord. So long as the HQ is in a cold environment, he'll be happy.
Demonfey 02-05-05, 09:54 PM	James frowns. "I see I will find no help here. I tell you now, I will not sit by and allow them to destroy our world." He exits the guild house, leaving the members to discuss the ordeal. Not my world. I left that and haven't looked back. ;)
Dyne 02-05-05, 10:26 PM	James smiles at the Frost Giant. "You are most welcome, friend. First, we must hasten. War will spill out upon these lands, and when the hammer strikes hardest, we must be ready to face it. These people must be warned." He turns to Crowley. "You are part of this world. Whether you would have it or not, everything that happens to it will affect you as well. If you turn your back on it, you will regret it." He then turns his attention back to the giant. "We must first hasten to the Great Forest. I am on very friendly terms with the Guardian there, and I know we will be most welcome. Also, that is where we shall meet my master. He will doubtlessly shed much light on this predicament. We can set up camp there until we get our plans straightened out. As well, we will never wear out our welcome. The Great Forest extends into the cold mountainous region, where I believe you will be most comfortable." Your font is fine, KB.
Demonfey 02-05-05, 11:20 PM	James smiles at the Frost Giant. "You are most welcome, friend. First, we must hasten. War will spill out upon these lands, and when the hammer strikes hardest, we must be ready to face it. These people must be warned." He turns to Crowley. "You are part of this world. Whether you would have it or not, everything that happens to it will affect you as well. If you turn your back on it, you will regret it." He then turns his attention back to the giant. "We must first hasten to the Great Forest. I am on very friendly terms with the Guardian there, and I know we will be most welcome. Also, that is where we shall meet my master. He will doubtlessly shed much light on this predicament. We can set up camp there until we get our plans straightened out. As well, we will never wear out our welcome. The Great Forest extends into the cold mountainous region, where I believe you will be most comfortable." Your font is fine, KB. My world is an alternate material plane. I'm here because I like it better. The place I actually live in is the Elemental plane of Fire. Therefore, not my world.
Dyne 02-05-05, 11:27 PM	Damn the multiverse....
Kingside_Bishop 02-05-05, 11:28 PM	James smiles at the Frost Giant. "You are most welcome, friend. First, we must hasten. War will spill out upon these lands, and when the hammer strikes hardest, we must be ready to face it. These people must be warned." He turns to Crowley. "You are part of this world. Whether you would have it or not, everything that happens to it will affect you as well. If you turn your back on it, you will regret it." He then turns his attention back to the giant. "We must first hasten to the Great Forest. I am on very friendly terms with the Guardian there, and I know we will be most welcome. Also, that is where we shall meet my master. He will doubtlessly shed much light on this predicament. We can set up camp there until we get our plans straightened out. As well, we will never wear out our welcome. The Great Forest extends into the cold mountainous region, where I believe you will be most comfortable."The giant nods. "Then let us fly, my friend!" With that, his wife bends down, and Orpheus climbs aboard her back. With a cry of "Come, James!" she spreads her wings in full glory, reaching over fifty feet in span, before creating a giant gust of wind as she lifts off of the ground. As a half celestial, you've got wings, right? 'Cause if not, I could give you a lift, as it were. Your font is fine, KB.Good. I was a little unsure. Thanks, Dyne. Also, here's the brief history of my character: His mother died giving birth to him, her body torn from the brutality done upon her by his father, a frost giant raider. The girl had given up on life, retreating into an endless daze, but her father wanted the child for his own -- the last legacy of a girl that, once, was most dear to him. When the villagers of the frostfell saw the child, covered in his mother's blood, they tried to take him. The grandfather took the child and ran toward the mountains, but the hunters followed. They shot him through with their arrows, and as his blood stained the snow a mighty blizzard stole upon them. When it lifted, the old man was dead, and the hunters saw a cloud giant striding across the distant peaks. The child was gone... but some say they saw a small, pale body in the giant’s arms, with a tuft of blue hair... "All I've ever brought to anyone is pain and suffering... but my life must have another purpose... it must! Stronmaus, please... help me!" That's right... I'm a half frost giant, half human, raised by cloud giants, worshipper of Stronmaus, and married to a celestial giant eagle.
Dyne 02-05-05, 11:30 PM	Who's Stronmaus? *Everyone falls over as in Japanese animation* And yes, James can fly. James spreads his wings, and he lifts into the air, leading the way to the northern region of the Great Forest.
jagggar 02-05-05, 11:34 PM	Who's Stronmaus? *Everyone falls over as in Japanese animation* Do I get falling immunity if I had the same question?
Kingside_Bishop 02-05-05, 11:35 PM	Who's Stronmaus? *Everyone falls over as in Japanese animation*One of the more popular giant deities (especially among cloud giants). Here's his entry from the Grayhawk Deities Page (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/articles/lg20030521deitiessearch): Symbol: Forked lightning bolt descending from a cloud obscuring the sun Description: Greater Deity of Storm & Cloud Giants, Sun, Sky, Weather, Joy Alignment: Neutral Good Domains: Good, Protection, and War Favored Weapon: Warhammer
Dyne 02-05-05, 11:36 PM	I'm not really sure. I'm no expert on Japanese animation. I just find some of its concepts very amusing.
Demonfey 02-06-05, 04:58 PM	I'm not really sure. I'm no expert on Japanese animation. I just find some of its concepts very amusing. Wow. A simultaneous fall. Well, see you all, I should get going before some new member gets it into their head to hunt an unshee. {With that, Crowley spreads his batlike wings and flies away, towards the HEF.}
Dyne 02-06-05, 05:02 PM	The HEF? I thought they still hated you....
jagggar 02-06-05, 05:04 PM	There's gunna be a meeting there. Base of the obelisk thingy however it's spelled.
Demonfey 02-06-05, 05:12 PM	They do, but since the incident of the flaming war, they have decided that I am more help then harm, considering I have never used Crowley to actually attack them, and that I am better as a friend than as an enemy, considering I tried to be the voice of reason multiple times, like in the trial, the initial conflict between the HEF and Droga, and other occasions. That, and he is quite insane and extremely dangerous, as are all psychotic mages, who are beings you always try to be on the good side of.
Dyne 02-06-05, 05:20 PM	Meeting? Meeting for what?
jagggar 02-06-05, 05:26 PM	Dunno. Redhase was annoucing it a few places.
redhase 02-07-05, 09:27 PM	I do think it's a good ideal crowly to set up a beer tent, for sil is awol and some elf is letting the others talk. It would be nice to make a few extra gold while everone waits and then maybe they will all pass out and not remember the meeting. why is sil missing the meeting, I really don't know but have some good guesses about that. who knows how long it will take for sil to reveil her wizard, I think somthing is going on with sil charater and another, but not what. some one did ask to talk to sil charater. secrets, secrets,secrets the hef is full of them it seems.
Demonfey 02-07-05, 09:29 PM	I do think it's a good ideal crowly to set up a beer tent, for sil is awol and some elf is letting the others talk. It would be nice to make a few extra gold while everone waits and then maybe they will all pass out and not remember the meeting. why is sil missing the meeting, I really don't know but have some good guesses about that. who knows how long it will take for sil to reveil her wizard, I think somthing is going on with sil charater and another, but not what. some one did ask to talk to sil charater. secrets, secrets,secrets the hef is full of them it seems. Its not a party, really. This is the latest in the futile attempts to negotiate a truce.
Dyne 02-07-05, 10:20 PM	Truce? Sil? That's new.
redhase 02-07-05, 10:47 PM	maybe a small tent and that could help the one's wating for sil wizard, and at the same time it would help them to relieve a dry throat. Thus making you more money, after sil wizards and the rest talk then go back the the blue lizard inn and sell more drinks to the uncertain future. never miss an opertunity to make money tht's what i say, even if they are just sitting around waiting, there is money to be made. even a small stand would help to relieve some of their tensions. just an ideal for money making .
Dyne 02-07-05, 10:59 PM	Only thing is: THE BLUE LIZARD INN IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN, NOR EVER WILL BE PART OF THE IFWG. This means that the workers there don't give a rat's rear end about the meeting (at least, as BLI employees). "Money" in the BLI is make believe and has no effect on the games. It is there just for fun. So, there would be no benefit for them setting up a refreshments stand or anything similar except possibly for a few laughs, which would get the thread off-topic and be a ridiculous mess. However, I intend to sell tickets to a monkey fight that will take place there. :devil: :D ;) :P
redhase 02-08-05, 12:14 AM	the proublem is that the charters are staring at each other some with hate in thier eyes, this would be a perfect time while sil is gone to serve drinks and get them to relax a bit that is the reason. who knows droga could wake up next to sil mage and then they proubly would go back to hating each other, but at least if they shared a drink then they could break the thick ice that they both are making. it could not hurt to try to lossen them up and they might just calm down. then they would not be looking at they other chartater's to set up thier list of killings in their minds. jsu to break the tension, is the purpose.
Demonfey 02-08-05, 05:23 PM	the proublem is that the charters are staring at each other some with hate in thier eyes, this would be a perfect time while sil is gone to serve drinks and get them to relax a bit that is the reason. who knows droga could wake up next to sil mage and then they proubly would go back to hating each other, but at least if they shared a drink then they could break the thick ice that they both are making. it could not hurt to try to lossen them up and they might just calm down. then they would not be looking at they other chartater's to set up thier list of killings in their minds. jsu to break the tension, is the purpose. Part of that is wrong in so many ways, redhase...
Dyne 02-08-05, 08:07 PM	Part of that is wrong in so many ways, redhase... Agreed. I'd rather not get into it.
Demonfey 02-08-05, 10:02 PM	Mental images...in head...the horror....AAAGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
redhase 02-08-05, 10:28 PM	for it seems that they are set in their ways and will follow thier hart to destruction and death. too bad. I would have liked to see sil wizard and droga's sitting at a table drinking and sharing stories, but it's too late for that. so let the death begin. Kill each other and enjoy your selves, the blood is on your hands when you do this. My charater is going to have fun getting blood on her hands and enjoying it, and then watch as the others kill each other and the blood flows. let the blood fow begain then I did offer a short peace soltion, but they are too hard headed. to the fight, to those who are about to die we saloute you.
Cazic 02-11-05, 12:10 AM	Thread....going....slow! Must....keep...........ALIVE! Sorry was getting bored. Since there hasn't been a new post in a few days we might want to get things going again. If no one can think of anything to get the thread going again i suggest we continue looking for Siren's Mother since that seemed to keep things alive for awile. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5380745&postcount=580) I will leave the decision up to you all.
redhase 02-11-05, 01:01 AM	It seems that it would make a good all the way around for the board. It would be good to see the rest of the story. "now for the rest of the story, the search for Siren's mother" paul Harvey saying
Cazic 02-13-05, 04:34 PM	"Crowley what is next?"
Dyne 02-13-05, 05:55 PM	*A small gnome sneaks into the GoPG* *He leaves just as quietly and swiftly as he came in* *After he leaves, everyone realizes that they no longer have their wallets*
Cazic 02-13-05, 09:10 PM	*A small gnome sneaks into the GoPG* *He leaves just as quietly and swiftly as he came in* *After he leaves, everyone realizes that they no longer have their wallets* *Upon realiving that everyones wallets have been stolen Siren looks to BloodShadow, who then dissappates into the darkness. Moments later the Gnome is consumed by shadows and reapears in the middle of the Guild Hall with a very angery Tyrael standing behind him.*
Demonfey 02-13-05, 09:22 PM	"Crowley what is next?" {Crowley flies back} Things were becoming stagnant, so I decided to come back for a bit. Ah, there you are, Siren. What is next is to head to the portal in the mist, or to try and find Trickster and apologize, which would be a tricky feat.
Cazic 02-13-05, 10:40 PM	{Crowley flies back} Things were becoming stagnant, so I decided to come back for a bit. Ah, there you are, Siren. What is next is to head to the portal in the mist, or to try and find Trickster and apologize, which would be a tricky feat. "I believe you are right Crowley and I dont think we will be able to find Trickster. He always seems to find us. Mabye he will be waiting for us at the Village." Siren then looks back to were the Gnome is. "I think we can leave this one in the hands of the guild without worries."
Cazic 02-15-05, 07:14 PM	"Crowley Did you hear me? You seemed to be dazed out again."
Demonfey 02-15-05, 10:11 PM	"Crowley Did you hear me? You seemed to be dazed out again." {The Crowley in front of you discorporates, and a note appears, saying that he is actually at the Forest Dweller's Foundation, and sent a magically created physical form to both the HEF and GoPG, both of which last for short periods of time.} In other words, he made a few duplicates to send into these areas while he controlled them from one spot where he could keep track of them without making it look wierd, and it is my adaptation of the wu jen spell "body outside body"
Cazic 02-16-05, 12:11 AM	{The Crowley in front of you discorporates, and a note appears, saying that he is actually at the Forest Dweller's Foundation, and sent a magically created physical form to both the HEF and GoPG, both of which last for short periods of time.} In other words, he made a few duplicates to send into these areas while he controlled them from one spot where he could keep track of them without making it look wierd, and it is my adaptation of the wu jen spell "body outside body" "Hmmm. i guese we will continue this there. Bloodshadow take us there." With that Bloodshadow bows and shadows move to consume the three and then they are gone.
knightowl_the_omnipotent 02-20-05, 05:03 AM	hello
Cazic 02-20-05, 03:36 PM	hi
Dyne 02-20-05, 08:45 PM	Ho hum.
Demonfey 02-21-05, 02:27 PM	...millenium hand and shrimp, I toles'em, eat the chicken monkey... Discworld series character.
Cazic 02-27-05, 04:59 PM	Mmmmmmm shrimp :love:
Dyne 02-27-05, 05:35 PM	Shrimp and chicken.... *Mouth waters* :drool:
Cazic 02-27-05, 10:44 PM	Chicken!!!!!!!!! :drool:
Cazic 03-06-05, 05:23 PM	Well if no one wants the chicken that I will take it. :P *Grabs the chicken* :D
Dyne 03-11-05, 03:09 PM	*Grabs the chicken from Cazic* *Makes the chicken a holy chicken* This shall be the symbol of my religion. All worship the holy chicken!
Demonfey 03-11-05, 03:22 PM	*The chicken, actually a chicken effigy bomb, blows up.* No chicken for anyone!
Cazic 03-11-05, 09:10 PM	*Seeing that Dyne's Holy Chiken has been destroyed Cazic summons three more chickens. One for Dyne to worship, one for Crowley explode, and one for Cazic to eat* Have fun! :D
Dyne 03-11-05, 11:08 PM	*Eats Cazic's chicken and blows up Crowley's chicken* :D *Bows to the holy chicken, hoping that it doesn't explode again*
Cazic 03-12-05, 12:17 AM	Holy Chicken Speaking----------- "Dyne! You have angered me! You have betrayed my teachings by killing those chicken! You must be delt with. I here by sentce you to the full pemalties of law. You penalties are that YOU MAY NEVER EAT CHICKEN AGAIN! :D
Dyne 03-12-05, 01:06 AM	*Eats the holy chicken* I could always holy-ify another chicken.
Demonfey 03-12-05, 02:24 AM	*Every chicken explodes simultaneously, and many people become well fed by perfectly cooked chickens.*
Dyne 03-12-05, 03:18 AM	I already ate the chickens.... Now I'm confused. :confused:
Demonfey 03-13-05, 01:31 AM	I already ate the chickens.... Now I'm confused. Then my work in this thread is done. ;)
Tenzhi 03-13-05, 01:36 AM	Then my work in this thread is done. ;) Your work was to get the chickens eaten? ;)
Demonfey 03-13-05, 01:44 AM	No, it was to confuse the hell out of readers.
Dyne 03-13-05, 02:25 AM	:confused: (Oh no, I've got that feeling again....)
Cazic 03-13-05, 01:02 PM	:confused: (Oh no, I've got that feeling again....) Chicken sence tingling? :P
Dyne 03-13-05, 02:10 PM	No, I have ?'s floating above my head again. :confused:
Cazic 03-16-05, 12:21 AM	question mark sence tingling? ;)
Cazic 03-18-05, 12:37 AM	:bump:
Dyne 03-18-05, 12:41 AM	Well, it looks like we'll have a world without Good or Evil. How dull. :waits:
Cazic 03-18-05, 09:27 PM	Or Neutral for that matter. :whatsthis
Dyne 03-18-05, 09:43 PM	At least there will be no alignment wars.
Cazic 03-20-05, 06:20 PM	Yes I suppose your right. So thats three reasons for war down that just leaves.....lets see......carry the 4, plus 8, divided by 7, times 3. :eek: Well that just leavs EVERYTHING ELSE. :rolleyes:
Dyne 03-20-05, 06:47 PM	:mymy: You have interesting mathematical skills, Cazic.
thasis 03-20-05, 07:00 PM	Thasis the Good enters the halls of the good and sits down at the head chair. "It seems as if the meeting is at a pause. I will be hear untill the meeting continues on at a normal pace". The One of All that is Good has returned. :D
Cazic 03-20-05, 08:22 PM	:mymy: You have interesting mathematical skills, Cazic. Why thank you Dyne. ;)
Cazic 03-21-05, 09:59 PM	Glad to see your back Thasis.
Dyne 03-21-05, 10:28 PM	Thasis the Good enters the halls of the good and sits down at the head chair. "It seems as if the meeting is at a pause. I will be hear untill the meeting continues on at a normal pace". The Master of All that is Good has returned. :D Master? What have you done with the Master of All That is Good, you monster?! The Master of All That is Good would never refer to himself as the "Master" of anything.
Cazic 03-24-05, 08:22 AM	Yes Speak who are you and what have you done with our leader!? :bump:
thasis 03-24-05, 03:21 PM	Ahh yes, I fixed that. I still had a little bit of evil Thasis on my mind at the time of writing that. LOL. So people, this place dosn't seem to have much activity. We need sometin to do.
Dyne 03-24-05, 05:25 PM	I know: WAR!!!!! :P How about we discuss our character's personalities? What do we define as good? What do we define as evil? Are we willing to fight if we think the cause is just--I mean, good? (I still hate the distinction between Law and Good....)
Cazic 03-25-05, 08:34 AM	Everyone loves war! :D
Cazic 03-30-05, 11:08 PM	Wait a tic'.... :thinks: Aren't we the good guys? :confused: Good guys want peace not war. Something is off here. Thasis saying he is "Master" everyone wanting war...... :eek: EVIL HAS GOTTEN IN HERE! :gah:
thasis 03-31-05, 03:30 AM	"I actualy corrected me saying I was the master. And I don't want war. I want peace. Thats what I've been saying since the beggining. Nobody listens to me though"
Cazic 04-01-05, 08:36 AM	:shifty: I dont know.....How do we know you aren't the Evil Thasis in DISGUES! :D
Dyne 04-02-05, 02:55 PM	Wait a tic'.... :thinks: Aren't we the good guys? :confused: Good guys want peace not war. Something is off here. Thasis saying he is "Master" everyone wanting war...... :eek: EVIL HAS GOTTEN IN HERE! :gah: No, sissies want peace and not war. And I'm not sissy. :fight!: Seriously, though, think of Paladins. They are designed around fighting evil. War always sucks, but it isn't always evil to fight. In fact, sometimes it's evil NOT to fight. It just depends on what you're fighting for.
ChaosEvoker 04-05-05, 03:45 PM	*apeares wreathed in green fire wearing a pin that says "GMF: The Game Master's Foundation" and looks around with eyes made solely of bright green light nods and shakes his head then disappears in a flash of green fire* The Game Master's Foundation serving you from enworld.org (http://www.enworld.org)
Dyne 04-05-05, 09:41 PM	*apeares wreathed in green fire wearing a pin that says "GMF: The Game Master's Foundation" and looks around with eyes made solely of bright green light nods and shakes his head then disappears in a flash of green fire* The Game Master's Foundation serving you from enworld.org (http://www.enworld.org) Blasphemy!
Cazic 04-09-05, 08:13 PM	[deleted] please forget this post ever excisted.
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thasis 04-10-05, 01:15 PM	:bump: Ok people, lets start some disscussion againz.
Dyne 04-27-05, 06:28 PM	A shadow of Evil looms just beyond the horizon. Will the forces of Good be ready when Evil threatens to dominate the world?
thasis 04-28-05, 01:12 AM	Not if this lack of activity increases....
Dyne 04-28-05, 01:19 AM	But, wouldn't a lack be a "decrease"? 'Cause how could there be more of less of something? Or did you mean if this lack of activity "continues"? Okay, I'm very bored. :dancin: <= I wish I had enough energy to do that. I'm gonna try to concentrate on a single character this time around. Stormhand will be the big guy for a while. At least until he gets killed or I get bored with him. Perhaps if enough evil world-conquering characters show up I'll make a good character who tries to save the world from all the evil meanies.
Dyne 05-31-05, 10:00 PM	Character #2: Yon the Healer A very old man enters the long-empty halls of the Guild of Pure Good. He leans on his staff as he peers around. He sighs a very heavy, tired sigh at the loss of good from the world, and he continues to examine the guildhouse.
Demonfey 06-01-05, 04:21 PM	{Crowley walks down the hall with a flag, and then stops and looks in.} What are you doing in here? Evil just conquered the world through inactivity.
Cazic 06-01-05, 04:36 PM	{Crowley walks down the hall with a flag, and then stops and looks in.} What are you doing in here? Evil just conquered the world through inactivity. Ya and I got Japan. :D
Dyne 06-01-05, 10:25 PM	{Crowley walks down the hall with a flag, and then stops and looks in.} What are you doing in here? Evil just conquered the world through inactivity. That's not possible. They're just as inactive us Good. Regardless, if you need my healing powers, I may be found here.
thasis 06-02-05, 09:56 AM	You see Thasis the Good has been sloutched in his chair for this whole time "The evil is rallying once again. Getting on task" He sits up "We must rally are forces again and get back to are goals which I have yet to figure out what they are"
Demonfey 06-02-05, 01:28 PM	{Crowley comes back from the other direction} So, you're going to be active again? Guess I better take off the "for rent" sign, then... {You see Crowley go down the hall and come back with the flag}
thasis 06-05-05, 02:12 PM	Thasis the Good scowels at Crowley. Shoo! Your a trouble maker. We don't need your kind here. :bump: :P
Cazic 06-05-05, 09:20 PM	{Crowley comes back from the other direction} So, you're going to be active again? Guess I better take off the "for rent" sign, then... {You see Crowley go down the hall and come back with the flag} Ahhh.....and I was about to rent this place. :weep: ;)
Demonfey 06-06-05, 05:42 PM	Thasis the Good scowels at Crowley. Shoo! Your a trouble maker. We don't need your kind here. :bump: :P {The form dissipitates into an ember, and you realize that he never really was there. Then, the ember flares into a cloud of smoke that looks like an eye} You need evil, and we need you. I am spending a portion of my remaining energy to remind you, so take heed. {Then, the eye dissipates, leaving nothing but a small smudge on the wall.}
premier666 06-09-05, 02:44 PM	Hey if this guild is on the IFGW then my char Drauguril of the forest dwellers foundation wanna join, if it has died, then cya.
Dyne 06-15-05, 02:23 PM	It's not dead. No, not yet....
Cazic 06-15-05, 04:47 PM	It is getting there though. Maybe we should make a new thread for it. That has helped other people so it should work here to.
Dyne 06-15-05, 05:07 PM	It doesn't seem to be working very well for the Merchants Guild.... :weep:
thasis 06-15-05, 07:30 PM	Well I don't realy want to start up a new thread. It jus doesnt' feel right. But if yah people realy want to get this guild going again lets get something to do.
premier666 06-17-05, 12:40 PM	Its good to know this foundation is not dead yet. After all, in the IFGW, the only good foundation still working is the HE guild. And it will be overwhelmed by that many enemies Sil likes to make. ( I think Its his hobby making enemies :P ) Edit: My main char wont be helping this guild (He is the BLACK MAGE after all) but I would'nt like the good guys going down so fast.
thasis 06-17-05, 02:20 PM	It seems as if I'm the only one who realy wants to restart this foundation...
Cazic 06-17-05, 03:32 PM	It seems as if I'm the only one who realy wants to restart this foundation... Maybe you should PM all the past good guys and get them all together on this. Sil, Kinda DF right now, Dyne, Orcy, Xen, you, and a few other people I cant remember should be willing help since they are normaly good from what i know. Once i get into the hang of things i plan on making a Good PC.
Demonfey 06-17-05, 10:05 PM	Not me. I just felt like leaving a point that this place must revive if the Guild House is to be fun.
turalisj 06-17-05, 10:31 PM	i'll help this place, if of course chaotic aligned people are allowed to help....
Dyne 06-18-05, 02:18 AM	Yon the Healer will be my good character at the moment. However, he won't be very "active." (He's too old to go adventuring) Basically, he just sells healing potions. He might provide some magical support for the guild, but that's basically all he is, a support character. Once I finish playing out Stormhand's story, I plan on making some kind of crusader-type.
thasis 06-18-05, 05:30 PM	Mmmm, PMing people aye.... that could be done.
turalisj 06-20-05, 02:31 AM	since most wont have "active" people, i'll put golos on the active duty list for this giuld. He is now a platinum knight, but his alignment is NG. As soon as the game starts up, I'm going to set up a mission for him to rescue a radiant dragon egg. (the egg will have been catpured by followers of tiamate, or even the GouE if we can work something with them there).
thasis 06-20-05, 09:41 AM	Mmmmmm, captured by the GoUE would be an intressting idea. Of course they have problems of there own. I think we should jus stick to the Followers of Tiamat thingy.
turalisj 06-20-05, 07:20 PM	bleh. that would have made for a good way to start the GoUE and the GoPG going against each other....owell.
thasis 06-20-05, 07:32 PM	That wouldn't be a good idea. The GoUE has probally the most amount of active members on the Good vs Evil war. The GoPG would be enilated.
Cazic 06-20-05, 07:35 PM	That wouldn't be a good idea. The GoUE has probally the most amount of active members on the Good vs Evil war. The GoPG would be enilated. them and the SBaB from what I know.
Demonfey 07-07-05, 10:53 PM	I'd probably explain the egg as preparing to acquire a new familiar,
Tenzhi 07-08-05, 02:22 AM	See, the problem is that the title is just Pure Good. Pure Good sounds so unimpressive next to Ultimate Evil. If they changed the name to Penultimate Good then there might be an upswing in membership.
premier666 07-08-05, 10:41 AM	Maybe the guild of rigthteous might :D
Dyne 07-08-05, 11:40 PM	See, the problem is that the title is just Pure Good. Pure Good sounds so unimpressive next to Ultimate Evil. If they changed the name to Penultimate Good then there might be an upswing in membership. Doesn't penultimate mean "the next to the last?" I don't think that would sound very good, since many of the members are bound to look it up at dictionary.com and wonder why their guild declares itself the next to last place.
Tenzhi 07-09-05, 02:17 AM	Doesn't penultimate mean "the next to the last?" I don't think that would sound very good, since many of the members are bound to look it up at dictionary.com and wonder why their guild declares itself the next to last place. Anyone who did that would also soon realize that "ultimate" means "last" and therefore Penultimate has a higher place than Ultimate - meaning that Good is better than Evil.
thasis 07-09-05, 08:57 PM	How bout we keep it as it is :D . But no realy, I like the name Pure Good. It sounds so Pure and holy. Untouched by evil, which is the core aspect of this guild. Ultimate Evil means the Ultimate most refined version of evil. The names stay I think.
turalisj 07-09-05, 10:10 PM	add the order of the silent bow to the list of allies. unofficially that is. my guild is an undercover unit that is aimed at taking down tyrants, one despot at a time.
Tenzhi 07-10-05, 01:03 AM	How bout we keep it as it is :D . But no realy, I like the name Pure Good. It sounds so Pure and holy. It doesn't sound so much holy as it does a good advertisement for juice. Our juice is 100% Pure Good Juice. That's not holy - that's thirst-quenching and full of vitamin C.
Dyne 07-10-05, 01:14 AM	Anyone who did that would also soon realize that "ultimate" means "last" and therefore Penultimate has a higher place than Ultimate - meaning that Good is better than Evil. Ultimate could also refer to being the last one standing. In that case, this suggests that Good and Evil would beat out everything else, but when they go head-to-head, Evil wins.
Demonfey 07-10-05, 05:43 PM	Which is accurate...
premier666 07-10-05, 10:48 PM	yep,considering the status of most of the good aligned guilds.
Cazic 07-10-05, 10:57 PM	Hmmmm....... :thinks: premier666 posting the the Guild of Pure Good. Theres a oximoron in there somewhere I just know it! :rolleyes: I have good news though. I will have a Chaotic Good PC made soon and my Wizard Cazic is taking a break. :dancin: Less Evil more good, but the CG PC will be in the SF (Stormhand Federation). :eek: Everything will be clear soon enough. :whatsthis Besides this will be great for plot. :ayyyy!:
turalisj 07-10-05, 11:19 PM	and then my character golos is a member of the foundation, though not openly. He comes and goes in secret, and his membership is known only to who ever the heck runs this guild.
premier666 07-11-05, 12:13 PM	Hey, I'm a member of this guild as Drauguril, a CG PC, which I have yet to make. He is also in the forest dwellers foundation, and in the Half-elf guild. the 666 is just to shown were my pesronal alignment lies :devil:
thasis 07-11-05, 04:52 PM	Go Satanism! *looks around shiffy eyed* Oh yes, I'm in a Guild of Pure Good... my views aren't apriecieated here... *Stomps off* :D
turalisj 07-11-05, 06:20 PM	Hey, I'm a member of this guild as Drauguril, a CG PC, which I have yet to make. He is also in the forest dwellers foundation, and in the Half-elf guild the HEF was turned into a PrC thread for sil and anyone else. hm....i may put the royal assasin in there.... (a good aligned PrC similiar to the assasin, but you have to kill somone for no other reason than that the goverment told you to)
premier666 07-12-05, 11:58 AM	Yeah, the HE is currently too busy for the Guild war. I can barely stand reading all those complicated posts about rules. Last time I had to hit my head in the wall to make me feel better. (it works! :D you should try)
Demonfey 07-12-05, 02:32 PM	the HEF was turned into a PrC thread for sil and anyone else. hm....i may put the royal assasin in there.... (a good aligned PrC similiar to the assasin, but you have to kill somone for no other reason than that the goverment told you to) "For the Queen!"
turalisj 07-12-05, 02:37 PM	*an arrow is seen sticking out of demonfey's back* they faerie queen ordered your death :D
Silmarien Aldalome 07-12-05, 06:37 PM	Yeah, the HE is currently too busy for the Guild war. I can barely stand reading all those complicated posts about rules. Last time I had to hit my head in the wall to make me feel better. (it works! :D you should try) The HEF is building its products and making a space for itself by earning a place where it belongs. I'm quite happy to ditch all rules-speak - we'd all need to be nice and accepting and let my powers be and you'd have to enjoy working with the challenges. There is an explosion of silvery cobolt - a sudden rending of meta dimensional space, accompanied by Verse, as Elven Voices open the gulf of time and space. Seven incandescent glyphs appear suspended in a large circle - 10 feet in diameter and the space that is bounded by the Glyphs explodes into silvery blue radiance. The magical forces ebb and flow, a swirling morass of Verse as eldrich power coalesces into an image of a familiar face, that fills the large ring. Simlarien's bright green eyes focus on your stare and lock onto you as she probes your world and scans your face, looking past the surface and into your soul. The silvery blond locks fall about her shoulder, and on her forehead burns a bright blue stone, fitted into a gilden ornate Headband. The silveryblue metal is incandescent. She Incants and there is a rumbling as magical force is concentrated, and a surge of dweomer erupts from the portal - and in another explosion of Silver and Azure, as parchment appears at your feet. Dearly beloved of the Guild of Pure Good, Hail Kinsmen and defenders of Hallowed Grace! From across time and space, we send our greeting. We pledge our services to your Guild - and though we do not know whence we shall return, even from the far away reaches of this Spirit world, we remain a part of your world. The Great Artifact of the Guild of Pure Good and the Sword of Azmodeus - or his Bane - remain Hail and Hallowed. This weapon is as ancient as Godsbane and from the ashes of death and infused great meagics is this sword. It must be located and you must secure your territories. The Warlocks mobilise their forces and the Guild of Evil is ever wont to rend and destroy life. But, The Umbral Fires have taken new shape and Shadow again comes forth into the world. Ward! The Shadow will creep into your mind as a whispering and hale it may seem but do not heed it. For great peril it brings. The communication portal remains open - as Silmarien maintains the Verse that bridges worlds. She studies every gesture upon your face, checking for signs of treachery and while you study the portal, she is also scanning your location, absorbing details. She looks at Premier666 and says "What is it though wouldst wish to know about our Verse?" and then turning to the others in the room, she says, "I can maintain this rift in dimensions but for a short while, before needing to rest. Do you have any questions or what is your Will for the lands? For all of the Free Peoples depend on your courage."
premier666 07-12-05, 07:17 PM	(@Sil before I can answer that, I need to know wich of my chars you are speaking to. The active ones are BLACK MAGE(neutral), of the Council of archmages and James "Darkstorm" Raynor (evil), of the stormhand federation. I dont have an active character on the GoPG yet. Both are here.)
premier666 07-13-05, 01:09 PM	You see a humanoid wering a cloack covering all his body. Underneath it there is the shining of metal in a chain shirt. The cloak appears to change color depending on the background, making dificult to look at him directly. His hood cover his face with shadow, but its possible to see elven ears sprouting out of the hood. When the hood is down, you see its an elven male, with long deep black hair, an pale white skin. What atracts your attention however, it's his eyes. His pupil is completely white, while the rest of the eye is deep black. He is carrying a double bladed sword the burns in blue fire. He bowns down to the leader of the foundation and offer his sword. Greetings, and well met. I am Drauguril, Ranger and protector of the great forest. I have come here to pledge my service to you and your cause. May my dedication to strke down the hearts of those who defy justice be a help to our cause. (The first introduciton of Drauguril my good character. he's a ranger11/Singh rager 4 if you wanna know)
Silmarien Aldalome 07-13-05, 06:48 PM	You see a humanoid wering a cloack covering all his body. Underneath it there is the shining of metal in a chain shirt. The cloak appears to change color depending on the background, making dificult to look at him directly. His hood cover his face with shadow, but its possible to see elven ears sprouting out of the hood. When the hood is down, you see its an elven male, with long deep black hair, an pale white skin. What atracts your attention however, it's his eyes. His pupil is completely white, while the rest of the eye is deep black. He is carrying a double bladed sword the burns in blue fire. He bowns down to the leader of the foundation and offer his sword. Greetings, and well met. I am Drauguril, Ranger and protector of the great forest. I have come here to pledge my service to you and your cause. May my dedication to strke down the hearts of those who defy justice be a help to our cause. (The first introduciton of Drauguril my good character. he's a ranger11/Singh rager 4 if you wanna know) A raven-haired face appears next to Silmarien's. Her daughter Rilya's face stares out at you with the curiosity of a child and with her piercing grey eyes that shine with the light of stars, for she was born by the fortification of Verse in a megalithic eruption of magic and the birth that shook the foundations of the known world. And on the other side, the silverblond almost white hair of Alcare, whose Elven features hint at his Drow legacy - just a tinge - and whose eyes are as green as his mother's. The Twins' faces bob in and out of the scrying portal and Alcare whispers something to his sister and Silmarien makes a 'shh' gesture, before looking back up and turning her attention to Drauguril the Ranger. She smiles, but you see her eyes narrow just slightly as she concentrates on you as you speak. Her Voice is transformed by Verse, and she speaks with the ManyInOne who are the Peredhil Versemasters, Versewardens and Versediviners. Her aura brightens as she focuses the Magic and the Portal swirls with magical powers. "Greetings. It seems to me, that your arrival is an unusual portent and forgive me if I am suspicious. It is perhaps an insult to your Grace to bestow you with suspicion first and acceptance second, but these times are filled with Shadow and Bane." She shifts weight and Verse buffets you in waves of Health and vitality even though you are far away and in another world. "What has become of the Bane of Azmodeus? That Sword forged in ashes of Despair and fortified with the Voice of Redemption." As she says this, the Silverstarfire flares into incandescence momentarily, and through the Portal it is as though a wind from another world blows and it is laced with melodic potency. "For last time I was here, 'twas in the Keeping of this Guild." She scans the room again, and finds Darkstorm and her eyes darken with contained anger. She raises the Runestaff and you see the ornate carved wood and metal shod heel appear in the Portal. She points it at you Darkstorm, and even where you stand, the melodic bells of Verse change tenor, to the Clang of Doom and their chimes resonate through you like a warning. The earth beneath your feet seems to become uneven and unstable and a thunderclap sounds out in your consciousness - remote, yet threatening. With unfaltering gaze, Silmarien's PuriPotent Voice takes on the hint of scorn and reproach, and without bothering to disguise her feelings, she says to Darkstorm "Where evil walks, and where Shadows cover, there is only despair and ruin. When your Spirit falters, they will come to devour you. You are not safe, even in Death." The Verse changes again and the bright sound of melodic song blasts the airs clean.
premier666 07-13-05, 08:17 PM	A thunder echoes across the halls as Darkstorm becomes visible. (he was invisible before) "You fools. I do not fear death, I have already died once, and not even YOU can make that happen again. Now listen to me. I am not at war with you or you punny guild yet, but once it beggins, you can be sure you will regret it!" He points toward the portal, and a lighting bolt sprouts from its finger, only to disapear a milimeter before hitting. "Let that be a warning. If you wanna keep bothering me, meet me at the storrhand guild. I can't stand those stupid do-gooders in these halls." With a loud thunder, he teleports away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drauguril turns to Silmarien. He do not smile, as that is something he has yet to learn. "Well milady, it appear that even in these halls evil wanders."He put his hood on again before continuing, as if he was not confortable with the light. "If you are suspicious, I can say something about my race. I am one of the Night Elves. Since uncountable eras ago, the Night Elves watch from the shadows, protected by the pitch dark of night, what happens on their world, and many others, including this one. Seeing that the forces of good in this world needed help, or they would have been overwhelmed, I have come to aid the forces of good in this world. Possibly, other night elves will come, but that is beyond my sight." EDIT: OOC: I hope you rembember that Drauguril Became a meber of this guild a while ago but only made introductions now.
Zombomaniac 07-15-05, 12:39 AM	As you speak a thick fog rolls into the guild halls. You wait for this odd weather to pass, but it only worsens and you begin to wonder of its source then you hear the breaking of rock and the cascading of electricity across stone. When you turn to the source you see a young boy, no more than sixteen summers. He wears a light armor of scales, all varying in color. In his hand is a dagger. It has the head of a Bronze Dragon carved into the hilt and the blade is black as night, but it is not the blade’s design that catches your interest, it is the fact that it is buried halfway into the wall! Tiny bolts of lightning skitter about the wall and when you look into the eyes of this child you see an innocence and goodness you have not seen for so long within your life on the battle field, but you also see an anger that is all to familiar to you. The anger of someone ready to kill or die for what he believes in. “I came to these hallowed halls to see if there where any willing to join us in our great mission, but I see now that there are none but insulters and those who think themselves better than the common man.” The dark haired young man pulls the dagger from the wall with a swift action and in that same motion throws it to your feet once again buried partway into the ground. “I came to seek those of good for our cause. I came to speak in peace, but I see you accuse my brother in arms, the mighty Darkstorm, of wrong deeds when he has committed none. Apologize now.”
Demonfey 07-15-05, 12:29 PM	James "Darkstorm" Raynor (evil), Did you read the part where premier666 posted that?
Cazic 07-15-05, 04:14 PM	Did you read the part where premier666 posted that? Me? :confused:
Demonfey 07-15-05, 04:33 PM	Me? :confused: Yes, you, Cazic, alias "Zombomaniac"
Zombomaniac 07-15-05, 04:45 PM	Yes, you, Cazic, alias "Zombomaniac" Ya i saw that. The PC talking is a CG Human. He is a member of the SF and has yet to see the evil members do evil so in his eyes they are still good. he came here to find good to join with the SF since he does notice the dark ways of many of the members and feels that it could destroy the mission if left unchecked.
Demonfey 07-15-05, 07:18 PM	Then maybe you need your eyes...opened. {A clawed hand shoots out from behind you, and clutches your head, and you begin witnessing every deed Darkstorm has committed, as well as the deeds of more of the evil beings that call this place home. Then, your head is released as you fall to the ground, after not realizing that you were being held up. As you look up, you see a creature wreathed in black flames looking down at you, yellow eyes gleaming with unholy rage that is-apparently-barely held in check.} See all of you around... {The creature then fades from view.}
premier666 07-15-05, 08:43 PM	If he would indeed see raynors deeds before coming to this plane, then he would be so horrified that his mind wold go insane. :cool:
Zombomaniac 07-15-05, 09:18 PM	The boy leaps to his feet and sends a inraged look toward the fading image. "Never again touch the confides of my mind, Spirt. Else you hear the clarian call of my horn and now your death comes." The youth shoots a look toward Darkstorm. "We will speak of your deeds later." He then turns to all here, disturbing the still think fog about him as he moves. "Brothers of good. I have come to these halls for the purpus of seeking allies amoung you. We of the Stormhand Federation are not Evil! We only seek to unify this world and bring peace to it. Please my brothers and sisters of the light I beg of you do not stand against us. Come and join us, add your fire of life to our mighty bonfire, join in our song of unity, come and forge the world that you have forever thirsted for. As one we will sweep through these lands and bring satisfaction to all." As the young man speaks his eyes light up with joy in the words he speaks and he seems to grow strounger as they pour from his mouth and you can tell that the shadows of dought that plaged his mind after seeing Darkstorm's deeds leave him.
turalisj 07-15-05, 10:37 PM	Oh realy? I have reports of increasing supsicious activity within the foundation But even the best spies and infiltrators can be decieved. So my information may be wrong. Golos said from under his cloak.
Zombomaniac 07-16-05, 01:46 AM	The mist turns with rage and you know that you have done wrong beyond reason in speaking your lies. The tempature in the room drops to almost freezing temperatures. "There are no "villages that cannot pay tax." There are no villages at all. We rule only the town of Bristol. Your "contacts" are creating slanderus rumers and you are not the wise man you make your self out to be if you would truest the word of a contact without seeing for your self what happens in this world." OOC: turalisj? You've lost me. You have lost the guy who has been in the SF since before it was founded. This OOC post has nothing to do with my like of the SF so What the F*** are you talking about? :confused: I have read evey post made in the SF and never has there been mention of "villages." I ask again What are you talking about? I will not lie. There has been OOC talk of Stormhand losing his mind, but that has been OOC and speculation. Dyne himself said that Stormhand is Nuetral and that he could easily turn to full good as long as no one kills his dog or something. The SF rules the Town of Bristol only. I am going to stop for now (it is reaching the rant/flame level) and wait for your reply on this. i realy want to know where the hell you are getting your information and if you can't provide a valid sourse I am very sorry but there is going to be a lot of unwanted flaming.
Von Crown 07-16-05, 01:55 AM	Suddenly, a bluish-grey slime begins to seep up through the cracks in the floor. A few seconds later, the sludge shoots up and forms into a pitch-black tree with writhing tendrils for branches. Then, in another moment, it takes the form of a large stone in a perfect sphere, then shrinks to the size of a pea, then spreads out in a purple fire. A bit of black electricity cracles for a moment around it, and it draws itself up into the familiar form of Mordred Von Crown. Ah, the unbreakable certainty of the innocent. The loss of those you thought of as allies should not concern you overmuch, as their weakness knows little equal. Some of my weakest pets routed a massive militia of theirs in a matter of moments. What good are allies who cannot even defend themselves, let alone aid you? I have a vested interest in the Stormhand Federation, and as such I was rather dissapointed they would even consider an alliance with those as low as these. Of course, you do not seem particularly able youself, either. I shall test your resolve, then." [i]With that his form begins to run and flow once again, changing to and from, seemingly the forms of a madman's dreams. OOC: 'S not very strong, should be no problem. If you wanna actually run the encounter, then go for it. If not, then just RP. if you're going to RP, you'll need to know- It's just a chaos beast.
Demonfey 07-16-05, 02:05 AM	The boy leaps to his feet and sends a inraged look toward the fading image. "Never again touch the confides of my mind, Spirt. Else you hear the clarian call of my horn and now your death comes." The youth shoots a look toward Darkstorm. "We will speak of your deeds later." He then turns to all here, disturbing the still think fog about him as he moves. "Brothers of good. I have come to these halls for the purpus of seeking allies amoung you. We of the Stormhand Federation are not Evil! We only seek to unify this world and bring peace to it. Please my brothers and sisters of the light I beg of you do not stand against us. Come and join us, add your fire of life to our mighty bonfire, join in our song of unity, come and forge the world that you have forever thirsted for. As one we will sweep through these lands and bring satisfaction to all." As the young man speaks his eyes light up with joy in the words he speaks and he seems to grow strounger as they pour from his mouth and you can tell that the shadows of dought that plaged his mind after seeing Darkstorm's deeds leave him. Something I forgot to do: You think I fear you? You think that I care about idle threats? I have lived for millenia, and was born amongst mortals. I have faced hundreds of potential hunters, and I still exist.
turalisj 07-16-05, 02:18 AM	Yeah, and yor grandfather still regrets letting you live. Zik said, appearing in an orb of lava from the floor. And as for the stormhand foundation, your contacts no longer live in this dimension Golos. there, a perfectly good reason why golos's info would be off, his contacts get info from an alternate dimension where stormhand rules the land with an iron fist, and demonfey is a goblin soldier in his army. :D
Demonfey 07-16-05, 02:32 AM	Hey, look! I made his informant into a puppet! {lifts up a bloodstained hand with the informant's head on it.}
premier666 07-16-05, 11:00 AM	(OOC: wow, I leave for a couple of hours to play Warhammer, and look at the mess! Okay, first of all: Darkstorm, also known as James Raynor, teleported away to the SF a while ago, so he knows nothing of the mess here.) Drauguril positions himself in a strategic position, as it appears that blood will stain this halls shortily.
Zombomaniac 07-16-05, 01:43 PM	Yeah, and yor grandfather still regrets letting you live. Zik said, appearing in an orb of lava from the floor. And as for the stormhand foundation, your contacts no longer live in this dimension Golos. "You must keep better track of your men Golos. It would avoid problems like this." OOC: Demonfey is a goblin soldier in his army? :eek: Thats awsome. :rofl: i could see that. :D <snip> As your new form chages and swirls you are suddenly pulled down to the ground and held by what you can tell. You then fing a sword next to your head and the boy holding smilling down at you. "You were saying?" After he steps back the unknown holders vanish and he smiles at you. "You are quite powerful, Sir Mordred Von Crown. I would like to offer you a place in the Federation. I know Stormhand will welcome you and that we will all gain from this."
turalisj 07-16-05, 06:02 PM	As long as his power will not be used against nature, I have no problem with it..... Zik said before dissapearing..
Von Crown 07-17-05, 03:09 AM	Several bladelike appendages shoot forth, changing into red pseudopods, then two large claws before striking. After that, the creature seems to be made of stone for a moment, then continues its constant random shifting, and you feel your own body slowly start to run into a liquid...
Dyne 07-20-05, 02:28 AM	Two figures can be seen approaching, one in black platemail with violet engravings, and the other dons flowing robes of black with violet trim. The one in heavy armor draws a large sword, and he points it skyward. Bolts of electricity are channeled through the sword, and the powerful currents lash out at the beast. The one in robes brings the power of Law against the Chaos Beast, uttering Dictum.
premier666 07-20-05, 08:58 AM	Yay! My character Drauguril Has been aproved! :D
Zombomaniac 07-20-05, 11:37 AM	The Mists swirls around the two newcomers."Hello brothers. What brings you here?"