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thasis 10-21-05, 02:51 PM	Guild Name: Guild of Ultimate Evil This is the 3rd Incarnation of the Guild of Ultimate Evil. Anybody of evil alignment are welcome. All members who were in the previous GoUE will still be members of this guild... that is unless you have betrayed us and joined the light side :P As you come up to the Guild of Ultimate Evil you relize how big the guild realy is. It's a giant black fortress that's kind of evil churchish. As you walk into the guild you see a giant hall. It's walls are made of black stone and the walls have tapestrys of torture, evil, and war on them. As you travel around the guild you see a meeting hall were there are several chairs and one main chair that is comprised of half-elven skulls. It's also much larger then the others. Througout the building there is a humungas libary, a torture chamber with all the most vile and evil torture devices known to man, a watch out tower, and a numereous rooms to stay in. The guild is obviously built for the evil. Guild Charter: The main goals of the foundation are as follows: -To stop good from hunting down evil -To oppose the Half Elven Foundation and other guilds of good -To gain political and millitary power -To gain access to the most vile of machines, spells, artifacts, and weapons Member List: Guild Master 1.) Thasis Guild Members: 2.) Droga 3.) Chaos Evoker 4.) Demonfay 5.) Turalisj 6.) Dyne 7.) Von Crown 8.) VampiricBloodlustNemesis 9.) Redhase 10.) Drake the Dragonslayer 11.) Shandrakor 12.) Malik21 13.) Masamune 14.) Zombiemaniac 15.) KidDeath 16.) Arshes 17.) Sargatanas 18.) Master of Flames 19.) IM_TIM 20.) Alek Knell 21.) Mid-Boss Alliances: -Stormhand Foundation -Blackstar Syndite -Children of the Planes (Sub Ally) -Kobold Marines: BDD Headquarters -Temple of the Dammned Enemies: -Half Elven Foundation -Purple Dragons Guild Leadership Score: Comming Soon Districts: Comming Soon Resource Income: Comming Soon Monthly Expenses: Comming Soon Guild Treasury/Items: Comming Soon Total Cost: Comming Soon Remaining Gold: Comming Soon Total[B]: 1,000,000 gp starting gold [B]Miscellaneous Guild Items: Comming Soon Guild Creations: Skygge as a Race (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7186786&postcount=180), Skygge Droga Prc (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7189414&postcount=187), Servent of the Skygge Prc (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7194650&postcount=189), Anvil of Doom (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=8068296&postcount=888), Anvil (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=8068296&postcount=888)
thasis 10-23-05, 03:44 PM	Reserved for Future Use!
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-23-05, 03:47 PM	and add it to your allies list http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=523619 thank you Nemesis
thasis 10-23-05, 03:58 PM	I'm surprised for two reasons... 1.) Nobodys posted hear 2.) Nobody cares why Thasis Evil and Thasis Good came back in a bloodied mass and Thasis Original has gotten a body back. Nobody is midly intressted?
Wilds 10-23-05, 04:01 PM	Figured you were going to tell us that. Though it would seem that they might have beat the crud out of each other and then almost died from it
Demonfey 10-23-05, 04:10 PM	That, and all the work I have on the fort is in the other one, as well as...just look at the HEF and Blackstar Syndicate for a couple things going on right now.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-23-05, 04:10 PM	was gonna say the same thing
Master_of_Flames 10-23-05, 04:30 PM	I'm surprised for two reasons... 1.) Nobodys posted hear 2.) Nobody cares why Thasis Evil and Thasis Good came back in a bloodied mass and Thasis Original has gotten a body back. Nobody is midly intressted? 1. Not true, people are just starting to realise you've created a new incarnation of the GoUE. 2. Completly true, no one cares about thasis the evil, thasis the good, or thasis the half-ogre half-elf. :P
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-23-05, 06:24 PM	1. Not true, people are just starting to realise you've created a new incarnation of the GoUE. 2. Completly true, no one cares about thasis the evil, thasis the good, or thasis the half-ogre half-elf. :P so many Thasis-thasisi?
Blasphemous Revenant 10-23-05, 08:10 PM	Whoa, there's already another thread for this guild? I was told my help was needed for guild defenses. So, what do you need?
Demonfey 10-23-05, 08:13 PM	Let us start with prices for stone walls. I'll go find the stuff I have so far on defenses.
Demonfey 10-23-05, 08:15 PM	Costs so far 119,000 gp (magical items to protect the building on hand, taking suggestions on more) 175,000 gp (drakestone golem price) 350,000 gp (pair of golems) Total: 474,000 gp spent Scrap the dirgible Optional: Bag of endless caltrops (2,300 gp, gives endless supply of pointy things, especially handy for claymore minefield idea.) Dwarven tunneler (70,000 gp, surprise the enemy by coming up right beneath their mages, or maybe heavy weaponry before getting away in the tunnel you make) Summon fiends, and maybe begin letting monsters lair here (happens in real D&D, so why not here?), using a table of indigenous monsters (check with GMs on this tactic) Demonflesh golem (260,000 gp, CR 18) On to main kind of army, since this needs to have input on materials needed before it can continue. Main mass few dozen normally evil races (giants, goblinoids, etc), with either a skygge in command of each group or a half fiend (insert low ECL race here) fighter, if low enough, with levels of blackguard, and each commander of the group reporting to a melee character. Scouts can be kobold/goblin/human, with VampiricBloodlustNemesis being one of those in command (he wants to, after all). Finally, casters mix of all races, mostly adepts, few wizards/sorcerors/warlocks, stuff like that. Sound good? Aerial support people with training to stay on dire bats/giant ravens. Naval power (since no one else has really decided to go with that since the sea farer's guild) can be pirates (rangers, rogues, and fighters that know how to sail), dread pirates being in charge of that.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-23-05, 08:16 PM	Stronghold walls come in 5 varieties of stone: masonry, superior masonry, reinforced masonry, hewn stone, and unworked stone. Masonry is regular brick walls. Hewn stone would be like the walls of a mine. Unworked stone is in natural caverns. EDIT: Quite a lot you've figured out already. For pirates, I imagined swashbucklers would fit the niche perfectly.
Demonfey 10-23-05, 08:17 PM	Reinforced masonry, preferrably.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-23-05, 08:24 PM	It would cost 4,500 gp per stronghold space to build a stronghold with reinforced masonry walls. For a freestanding wall, a 10 ft. x 10 ft. x 2 ft. section of reinforced masonry would cost 450 gp. If you want the specifics, such as hardness, hp, etc., I can PM it to you.
Demonfey 10-23-05, 08:32 PM	Please do.
Master_of_Flames 10-23-05, 08:32 PM	OR a pair of +5 Self-Loading Starburst Heavy Trebuchet. :D They load themselves and rain down death. Or we could switch out strburst for necromatic, and have an army of zombies for 10 minutes afterwards.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-23-05, 08:35 PM	I shall stand ready. Let me know on my thread if you need me for anything.
Demonfey 10-23-05, 08:35 PM	OR a pair of +5 Self-Loading Starburst Heavy Trebuchet. :D They load themselves and rain down death. Or we could switch out strburst for necromatic, and have an army of zombies for 10 minutes afterwards. I was actually planning on asking you more about the scorpions...
Master_of_Flames 10-23-05, 08:39 PM	the trebuchet deals 14d6 damage with a stone, and that's not including the bonuses from being +5. They don't need a crew, thanks to being self-loading. I'd suggest getting heroes of battle next time you get a book. :D
Demonfey 10-24-05, 01:01 AM	Thickness Hardness HP Break DC Climb DC Cost per Space 1 ft. 8 180 45 15 4,500 gp Freestanding Walls: Thickness Hardness HP Break DC Climb DC Cost per Section 2 ft. 8 360 45 15 450 gp For reference IG: Something that looks like a demon walks through a wall. I don't mean phases through, I mean it just walks through and shatters the stone that's in front of it. One of Crowley pops up What have I told you about using doors? It's then you realize that this is the demonflesh golem.
thasis 10-24-05, 09:43 AM	Reinforced Masonary walls aye... I like... and the trebuchet... I like even more. I was watching Kingdom of Heaven the other day... got me in the mood for some mass war... :D But anywayz... how bout a Brain Golem? Edit: So is there anything intressting going on at the HEF or the BSS? I saw some stuff happening but I can never realy keep up... Managing your own boards is rather time consuming so I don't have much time.
Demonfey 10-24-05, 11:46 AM	We can decide on that one after building the actual building. Now, please give us a few dimensions (ex: 200 by 100 feet) At the BSS, I am apparently fighting one of Mordred's "children", and I'm pretty sure that it maybe at least part tarrasque...
Wilds 10-24-05, 03:28 PM	dont want to know how that procreation ritual went....
Demonfey 10-24-05, 05:22 PM	I'm pretty sure it involved test tubes...
thasis 10-24-05, 06:01 PM	Mmmm... sounds dangereous. Wants some help?
Demonfey 10-24-05, 06:15 PM	With the fight? If you have a stronger character, then yes. If not, then you'd die, pure and simple. I'm not sure that the red great wyrm, klurichirr, and two balors are going to help that much, and that's what I already have with me...
Master_of_Flames 10-24-05, 06:46 PM	would a sorcerer20/elemental savant (fire)10/alcaloyte of the skin10 be of any help? That's what the true master of flames is.
Demonfey 10-24-05, 06:55 PM	Possibly. Ask VC about letting him into this, though.
Master_of_Flames 10-24-05, 07:03 PM	Ok. His ultimate spell is called nova fist and rips a hole through space and time to turn your arm into a compact version of a supernova. It puts the user in a coma for a week after using though, but it is powerful enough to kill a demigod.
Demonfey 10-24-05, 07:07 PM	A spell I made (usable at 23rd level) was called Meta Dementia. If turned the user into an epic pseudonatural creature for short periods of time. It was powerful enough to destroy a mithral golem in one attack.
Wilds 10-24-05, 08:20 PM	Whats BSS?
Demonfey 10-24-05, 08:21 PM	Blackstar Syndicate
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-24-05, 09:37 PM	if you all dont mind, please send some participants to my thread, thanks
Master_of_Flames 10-24-05, 09:53 PM	*beats nemisis with his new bag of gold* bad! bad kobold! no advertising! that's what the gazzete is for!
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-24-05, 10:11 PM	*beats nemisis with his new bag of gold* bad! bad kobold! no advertising! that's what the gazzete is for! *see title* LMAO roll a fort save,hahaha
Wilds 10-25-05, 11:47 PM	A man walks into the guild. He resembles a common peasent. He looks around then calls out. "Hello, I would like to talk with the person in charge"
Master_of_Flames 10-25-05, 11:55 PM	*see title* LMAO roll a fort save,hahaha *a brigade of warforged warlocks opens fire on nemisis* oh, and that was an image of my you hit.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-26-05, 09:49 PM	A figure walks into the Guild of Ultimate Evil, following behind Demonfey. He is garbed in a black cloak, a hood covering his head. "Greetings to all of villainous demeanor. I am Valde Immodicus, and I am from the Temple of the Damned. I understand that we share some of the same obstacles at the moment, and I would be interested in sharing strategies to solve our common problems."
Demonfey 10-26-05, 09:53 PM	An elemental being approaches, as the insects fly off. Here is a copy of my notes for what we have planned, including prices. Few things from the Draconomicon, Power word spells, some undead, reinforced doors and windows, special siege weapons, an escape dirgible (because every good lair needs an escape pod), maybe some constructs (tell me type you prefer). Oh, and of course, the *insert water creature here* pit. First enchanted items: cloudgathering orb (for the right atmosphere), 33,000 gp; inscriptions of privacy (keep people from scrying), 14,000 gp; pitch black luminary (place it so that it activates when a group of people are near two pit traps, and rig the pits so that one will only go off when two pressure plates are pressed, namely one in front and one behind, so that where there was solid ground at first, there isn't any more :devil:, 15,000 gp without the pits; combine that with a cavern of the earthbound (no flying over the pits), 14,000 gp; greater pool of scrying, 33,000 gp; and finally, veil of obscurity, meaning no cheap paladin ability to give positions away, 25,000 gp. Starting: 33+14+15+14+33+25=134*1000=134,000 gp spent on these defenses for those. Ironwyrms cost 225,000 gp, and drakestone cost 175,000 gp. Drakestone are CR 15, Ironwyrm CR17. We could get at two of either, or maybe four drakestone and still be in the budget. 119,000 gp (magical items to protect the building on hand, without pitchblack luminary, taking suggestions on more) 175,000 gp (drakestone golem price) 350,000 gp (pair of golems) Total: 474,000 gp spent Scrap the dirgible Optional: Bag of endless caltrops (2,300 gp, gives endless supply of pointy things, especially handy for claymore minefield idea.) Dwarven tunneler (70,000 gp, surprise the enemy by coming up right beneath their mages, or maybe heavy weaponry before getting away in the tunnel you make) Summon fiends, and maybe begin letting monsters lair here (happens in real D&D, so why not here?), using a table of indigenous monsters (check with GMs on this tactic) Demonflesh golem (260,000 gp, CR 18) for reference (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6147437)
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-26-05, 09:54 PM	*a brigade of warforged warlocks opens fire on nemisis* oh, and that was an image of my you hit. unless aforementioned, it cannot be used IG
Blasphemous Revenant 10-26-05, 09:59 PM	An elemental being approaches, as the insects fly off. Here is a copy of my notes for what we have planned. Before I respond In-Game, what exactly is included in the notes?
Demonfey 10-26-05, 10:05 PM	I just needed to retrieve the majority of the notes from the last incarnation of the GoUE. It's there now.
Master_of_Flames 10-26-05, 10:07 PM	I know it wasn't in game nemisis. That's why I put the * by the actions. Li'ruak looked up from the paper he was reading, his feat still on the the table. Giving tours? Please tell me you're atleast charging them something reasonable. Like thier soul. He then blasted a trio of flies that were making thier way towards him, leaving nothing but the smell of ozone from the blast.
Demonfey 10-26-05, 10:12 PM	Let's see, Valde is already dead (so am I, I just haven't quite figured out a loophole to succeed getting out of Carcerai, which is a long story), Nemesis probably has already given his soul to something, and basically I want our offspring guild, the Temple, to be ready for attack. That way, we don't lose our greatest advantageous ally through stupidity.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-26-05, 10:15 PM	Immodicus receives the notes and begins flipping through the pages. "Interesting defenses. I also have knowledge of a variety of defenses specifically for Evil and to combat Good, if you are interested in hearing of them. "I hear this guild is offering contracts and jobs. What jobs do you need done? Perhaps I could be of service."
Demonfey 10-26-05, 10:21 PM	Well, if you specialize in mindless undead, we could always use some cheap labor to bring in stone. Currently, this place is too easy to break into. What is your opinion on unholy experiments that make abominations to nature, by the way? We could use a few abominations to nature...
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-26-05, 10:27 PM	Well, if you specialize in mindless undead, we could always use some cheap labor to bring in stone. Currently, this place is too easy to break into. What is your opinion on unholy experiments that make abominations to nature, by the way? We could use a few abominations to nature... hollow dogs r always cool
Blasphemous Revenant 10-26-05, 10:36 PM	Well, if you specialize in mindless undead, we could always use some cheap labor to bring in stone. Currently, this place is too easy to break into. What is your opinion on unholy experiments that make abominations to nature, by the way? We could use a few abominations to nature... "I have a number of mindless undead servants. I'm certain they would be very capable for menial labor. Unholy experiments are part of my regular studies. I have no qualms creating what would be considered 'abominations of nature.' I don't believe anything is an abomination. Everything that moves has its own style of beauty and its own worth, whether alive, animated, magical, or mechanical. "If you would like to review my studies of animating and creating creatures and constructs, I would be happy to return with my works and creations."
thasis 10-26-05, 10:40 PM	The tall monstrosiety of Thasis looks down at the common looking man "What is it you want little man"
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-26-05, 10:42 PM	Nemesis stands beside Thasis, still flanked by 2 BDDs and Ghost prowls behind him
Demonfey 10-26-05, 10:46 PM	To hopefully lend us his mindless undead for menial labor, Thasis, in exchange for a copy of the defense notes for the Temple of the Damned, which I'd been meaning to send them anyway, being offspring of our guild.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-26-05, 10:59 PM	To hopefully lend us his mindless undead for menial labor, Thasis, in exchange for a copy of the defense notes for the Temple of the Damned, which I'd been meaning to send them anyway, being offspring of our guild. (OOC) hook me up 2!
Demonfey 10-26-05, 11:05 PM	Let's see...what will you help us with if we do give you a copy of the defense notes? We have agreed to a comparison of notes at the moment (as well as some help with construction).
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-26-05, 11:14 PM	Let's see...what will you help us with if we do give you a copy of the defense notes? We have agreed to a comparison of notes at the moment (as well as some help with construction). you will have full support of the KM:BDD behind u plus use of its funding
Demonfey 10-26-05, 11:17 PM	Let's see...we already had one, and we can probably take over the GoPG if we need funding. I mean, they're less active than any other live guild here! Only reason they've gotten past three pages is because of Sil, and they lose people.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-26-05, 11:23 PM	Let's see...we already had one, and we can probably take over the GoPG if we need funding. I mean, they're less active than any other live guild here! Only reason they've gotten past three pages is because of Sil, and they lose people. what do you need then, i will get it.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-26-05, 11:27 PM	At the moment, I only have 4 zombies and 6 skeletons, so that might not help a whole lot. Unless some undead rat swarms would be of use....
Demonfey 10-26-05, 11:28 PM	We'll get back to you on that.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-26-05, 11:36 PM	We'll get back to you on that. What do you all think of this being the basis of this fort? From Stronghold Builder's Guidebook: Face it, we need something to start with. Here's the picture for size. keep basis (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cheap_keep_lg.jpg) perfect now i just need someone to design my Blood War complex....i will pay them
Demonfey 10-26-05, 11:51 PM	I'm just going to ask MoF if I can use his fortress's build, actually.
Wilds 10-27-05, 01:02 AM	The tall monstrosiety of Thasis looks down at the common looking man "What is it you want little man" The man shifts into a large werewolf. He snarls at the man and growls. "I was wondering why you choose evil nothing more."
Demonfey 10-27-05, 01:10 AM	The man shifts into a large werewolf. He snarls at the man and growls. "I was wondering why you choose evil nothing more." Oh, HIM. Oops. Hold still for a minute *Takes sample of werewolf saliva and heads off to the lab* Finally, new lycanthrope DNA! Now I can continue my experiments.
Wilds 10-27-05, 01:41 AM	"What did u do? Why does my spit interest you so much?"
Demonfey 10-27-05, 01:45 AM	Years ago, I found it to be how you would turn people into lycanthropes. In the spit, you contain what I'll describe as an injury poison that causes lycanthropy to those who fail to resist it. I want to see if I can make a form for outsiders and elementals. I really do want to see if I can, too.
Wilds 10-27-05, 10:35 AM	"What for weapons? My family and village were wiped out because I am like this. The stupid hereos thought that the village was harbering me. So they killed every last single person in it. The only reason I am here is because their weak tactics allowed me to esape with only burns. But my family is dead, thanks to this disease."
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 03:25 PM	no problem, i shall have you brought out by one of the Son's minions, a Pit Fiend should do rather nicely at this time i believe, then i could consult him on some devilish reinforcement for this..war(OOC)
Demonfey 10-27-05, 03:36 PM	no problem, i shall have you brought out by one of the Son's minions, a Pit Fiend should do rather nicely at this time i believe, then i could consult him on some devilish reinforcement for this..war(OOC) No, Crowley (true self) trapped in Carcerai. Immodicus on the Material Plane.
Demonfey 10-27-05, 03:39 PM	"What for weapons? My family and village were wiped out because I am like this. The stupid hereos thought that the village was harbering me. So they killed every last single person in it. The only reason I am here is because their weak tactics allowed me to esape with only burns. But my family is dead, thanks to this disease." And this, my canine friend, is so I can gain my revenge on those who did the exact same thing to me. I want to make them forcibly understand what this is like, and to make them understand that not all creatures like either of us are evil, although I'm part of the stereotype in this case.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 03:45 PM	No, Crowley (true self) trapped in Carcerai. Immodicus on the Material Plane. ah, im rather confused, i shall find your....true self as you call it
Demonfey 10-27-05, 03:53 PM	Crowley: Dead, soul trapped on Carcerai, evil genius that figured out loopholes and, with help, made multiple host bodies on the Material Plane (here). He possesses each body and sends it out to do his bidding.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 04:09 PM	Crowley: Dead, soul trapped on Carcerai, evil genius that figured out loopholes and, with help, made multiple host bodies on the Material Plane (here). He possesses each body and sends it out to do his bidding. then he shall be brought back to resume his place *waves a hand and dismisses the Pit Fiend*
Demonfey 10-27-05, 04:13 PM	Just leave this line of thought alone, Nemesis. This is according to a plan of mine.
Master_of_Flames 10-27-05, 04:16 PM	And this, my canine friend, is so I can gain my revenge on those who did the exact same thing to me. I want to make them forcibly understand what this is like, and to make them understand that not all creatures like either of us are evil, although I'm part of the stereotype in this case. Then the three of us have something in common. Zerin said, appearing from one side of the wall. Many in my villiage were wiped out by samuria believing us to be nothing more than assasins. They came in and nearly wiped out everyone... Only a tenth of my clan's numbers remain. And you realy should try upgrading your defences around here crowley. I could have had my strike force come in, plant explosives, and leave within a minute. And that's without backup. He said, adding the last part as if an after thought. He dissapeared again through the wall, the same luna moth taking flight. The luna moth is for roleplaying statistics only, there aren't any ingam costs made for the luna moth.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 04:19 PM	shall we mobilize for war soon?
Demonfey 10-27-05, 04:23 PM	No, we shouldn't, since the ones with an army (that seem to still be alive) are the Temple and Ghashmal Keep. Technically, you don't either, Nemesis. @MoF: *points to sign saying "under construction"*
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 04:25 PM	No, we shouldn't, since the ones with an army (that seem to still be alive) are the Temple and Ghashmal Keep. Technically, you don't either, Nemesis. @MoF: *points to sign saying "under construction"* huhhhhhhhhhhh?
Demonfey 10-27-05, 04:31 PM	Your guild doesn't have an army that you can call yours, since you don't have the leadership feat.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 04:34 PM	Your guild doesn't have an army that you can call yours, since you don't have the leadership feat. im not USING Leadership, the Kobolds are my clan, the dragons= kin, and the devils - were already here, formed & alliance w./ em through the Son, and the Hollow Dogs, came from some of the Kobolds
Orcy The Green Wonder 10-27-05, 04:38 PM	im not USING Leadership, the Kobolds are my clan, the dragons= kin, and the devils - were already here, formed & alliance w./ em through the Son, and the Hollow Dogs, came from some of the Kobolds You cannot simply say "I have a clan" and have one. If you wish to use such things in game, then you need to do it by the rules (leadership mainly). You have absolutely no ability to have Balor allies. You cannot have an army of Kobolds without some sort of reason beyon "they're my clan and I have them." Orcy would suggest taking a look over the rules if you have not done so already.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 04:41 PM	You cannot simply say "I have a clan" and have one. If you wish to use such things in game, then you need to do it by the rules (leadership mainly). You have absolutely no ability to have Balor allies. You cannot have an army of Kobolds without some sort of reason beyon "they're my clan and I have them." Orcy would suggest taking a look over the rules if you have not done so already. never ONCE have i mentioned DEMONS.....but anyways, forget it, i might as well disband my thread since everyone has freakin issues with it
Orcy The Green Wonder 10-27-05, 04:45 PM	never ONCE have i mentioned DEMONS.....but anyways, forget it, i might as well disband my thread since everyone has freakin issues with it Orcy has no 'issues' other than that it does not follow the rules. Guilds gain a guild leadership ability, which if you had read the rules you would know. The guild can then bring in soldiers with it's leadership. But things must be done by the rules. You have absolutely no reason to have DEVILS or a kobold army without the leadership feat. Orcy is sorry, but that is how it has to be.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 04:56 PM	then what would my guild leadership score be and what could i get with it?!
Orcy The Green Wonder 10-27-05, 04:58 PM	The rules are located here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=417444), Orcy suggests you read them over.
Demonfey 10-27-05, 05:06 PM	Wait, wouldn't that mean Sargatanas would actually get guild leadership too?
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 05:09 PM	Wait, wouldn't that mean Sargatanas would actually get guild leadership too? yep yep
Demonfey 10-27-05, 05:21 PM	:bigeyes: And he has that size of an army...without it... :twitch:
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 05:28 PM	:bigeyes: And he has that size of an army...without it... :twitch: SO WHY, IF HE DOESNT HAVE IT DOES HE STILL HAVE AN ARMY & IM NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN THOUGH I DECLARED IT LONG AGO IN FLAVOR TEXT
Demonfey 10-27-05, 05:41 PM	Simply, he statted his out and I forgot completely/didn't actually know about that rule. No completely extraplanar beings, though.
Orcy The Green Wonder 10-27-05, 05:46 PM	Simply, he statted his out and I forgot completely/didn't actually know about that rule. No completely extraplanar beings, though. Sssargoth allowed Sargatanas to begin with half his controlled undead limit filled. On top of that, he has Extra followers (giving him double his normal leadership) and another feat to increase the level of his cohort by 1. So his army actually comes from the leadership feat, and game rules... its just very large.
gabrion 10-27-05, 05:58 PM	:bigeyes: And he has that size of an army...without it... :twitch: When you're dealing with an infinite loop, a few more followers from leadership won't hurt. ;)
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 06:19 PM	Sssargoth allowed Sargatanas to begin with half his controlled undead limit filled. On top of that, he has Extra followers (giving him double his normal leadership) and another feat to increase the level of his cohort by 1. So his army actually comes from the leadership feat, and game rules... its just very large. someoone find me a Leadership feat granting item, and tell me what my score is!
Master_of_Flames 10-27-05, 06:22 PM	Take Zerin's 'clan' for example. I gave him the leadership feat and extra cohort to fit in with that background of him being the 'top dog' of his clan. If you go by the normal stating for cities, Zerin has 182 followers. 50% of that is 91, so there would be 91 adults noncombatants in his villiage, and 45 non adult noncombatants. That would equal 318 people living in the villiage of the hidden dagger.... :D Although, that still equals the size of a small hamlet.
Demonfey 10-27-05, 06:50 PM	Credit to MoF for the fort (he said I could do this), will be altered to fit our needs. 5+4+6+2+3+6+1+1+1+1+1+1+6+1+1=40*20=800 feet to these areas (name, spaces, cost) basic bedroom suite*5, 5, 2,000gp Fancy bath (x4), 4, 8,000gp Fancy armory (x6), 6 , 12,000gp Fancy chapel, 2, 6,000gp Fancy kitchen (x3), 3 ,36,000gp Fancy dining area (x3), 6, 36,000gp Prison cell (x2), 1, 1,000gp Torture chamber, 1, 2400 gp Servents quarters, 1, 400gp Fancy Smithy, 1, 2,000gp Fancy Study (x4), 4, 10,000gp Combat Training Area, 1, 1,000gp barracks (x6), 6, 2,400gp Alchemical laboratory, 1, 2400 gp fancy magical laboratory, 1, 2400 gp Three floors, Second devoted to the labs, smithy, armory, study, and rooms first to dining, bathhouse, training, chapel, kitchen, dining basement: torture chamber and prison cells 124,000 gp for the total. Taking suggestions on what to add/take off Material: Outside; reinforced masonary. Inside; reinforced masonary. (135,000gp total) Total costs (before modifiers): 440,800gp Stronghold Spaces: 30*10=300 by 300 feet
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 08:08 PM	i guess no one is gonna help me
Demonfey 10-27-05, 08:11 PM	That would be because you have yet to give a terrain. And I don't know sh*t about making forts. Everything I've done so far has been due to getting information from other people, but otherwise, I've got no clue what I'm doing with the fort.
Wilds 10-27-05, 08:19 PM	"You are a lycan? I do not smell it on you. What are you? And why do u seek revenge above all else?"
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-27-05, 08:21 PM	That would be because you have yet to give a terrain. And I don't know sh*t about making forts. Everything I've done so far has been due to getting information from other people, but otherwise, I've got no clue what I'm doing with the fort. I TOLD you, my base is an abandoned paramilitary complex from the Blood War; basically a HUGE castle/w. siege weapons, training grounds, and an underground catacomb system.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-27-05, 08:23 PM	i guess no one is gonna help me I know of no item that grants the effects of the Leadership feat, although there are several that modify it/make you better at 'leading.' If you want Leadership, I would suggest taking it as a feat. Alternatively, there are countless other ways of gathering minions, including Rebuking/Commanding Undead, the Animate Dead spell, Conjuration spells (although they are not permanent, if you cast enough of them you could have a sizable force fairly quickly, if you don't mind burning spell slots), hiring mercenaries, mind control (Dominate Person and the like, but the mechanics of it make long-term control difficult), and a number of others. For the Guild House of the GoUE, I would suggest adding a number of additional Bedroom Suites for the guild members. They could be of Basic quality for regular members, reserving the Fancy suite for the guildmaster to keep costs low. I'm not sure of crafting poisons and siege weapons are exactly what the guild is looking for, so you might look over the workshops and possibly alter/add to them. There are also a number of Evil-specific magical defenses you might consider, such as Unholy Guarding, Brazier of Aura Revealing (Good), Desecrated Shrine, Engraved Circle of Protection (Good), and Unholy Hall.
Demonfey 10-27-05, 08:23 PM	I am, or in this case, maybe was is more accurate, demonfey, although I wasn't raised by demon or mortal parent. I wish to become lycan to allow myself to get vengance for being run out of every town, village, inn, and city I had been in during the first 500 years of my life, by idiots that claimed to be paladins. Sure, they'd all be dead now, but their descendants have kept alive the sins of their ancestors. Chances are, a few of them are the ones that struck at you and slaughtered your family.
Demonfey 10-27-05, 08:27 PM	I TOLD you, my base is an abandoned paramilitary complex from the Blood War; basically a HUGE castle/w. siege weapons, training grounds, and an underground catacomb system. Thing is, it has to be on the material plane. The placement helps determine what defenses would make more sense, additions to the base (like docks), and entrances/materials. Making some more sense?
Wilds 10-27-05, 08:38 PM	I am, or in this case, maybe was is more accurate, demonfey, although I wasn't raised by demon or mortal parent. I wish to become lycan to allow myself to get vengance for being run out of every town, village, inn, and city I had been in during the first 500 years of my life, by idiots that claimed to be paladins. Sure, they'd all be dead now, but their descendants have kept alive the sins of their ancestors. Chances are, a few of them are the ones that struck at you and slaughtered your family. "Hmmmm stupid humans." He shifts back into his human form. "I refuse to aid good, but I do not see a reason to become evil. I can feel the wolf in me wanting to escape and kill. But know that will only cause more bias towards my ...... kind. I will help you if u ever choose to seek revenge on those peoples descendents. But i will not harm innocent people unless they attack me."
Demonfey 10-27-05, 08:47 PM	No, the part that turned me evil is me snapping after 50 years of being forced to work with demons after being sold to one. I want to make lycanthropy spread through them so that they lose control of their actions and powers at inopportune times, so they die easier. You know, now that I say it out loud, that part doesn't sound like such a good idea anymore...but you agree with me that for some humans, being infected would teach them a lesson about certain creatures, right?
Wilds 10-27-05, 10:12 PM	"That or nowing humans. They will embrace their new found power and reek havic. That or if are lucky these humans will kill themselves thinking that they are abominations to their gods and such. No mercy shall be given to humans when they cross me. Your plan seems decent enough, though I do not think that you understand the full effect of lycanthropy. Thus, I would like to stay here if only temporarily to continue this discusion and observe some of your experiments. I also beleive that I can be of use incase any goes wrong..."
Demonfey 10-27-05, 10:16 PM	Well, it was that, and for the ones that go nuts, well, I think its time for them to know what it feels like to be hunted. Also, I can't really know about lycanthropes that well because it was never an option for me to be one.
thasis 10-27-05, 11:45 PM	Thasis the Evil looks down at the Lycan "Not intressted in harming civilizians aye? How come? If they ever knew what you were they'd harm you? Killing is the way this world works. I personally tend not to kill innocents unless necessary, but that's because I prefer them as pawns"
Demonfey 10-27-05, 11:53 PM	I agree with the furry one, Thasis.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-28-05, 12:21 AM	Immodicus takes note of the werewolf with interest. However, he has nothing to add to the conversation. "I have only a small labor force, but I shall see what I can do." Valde coolly strides from the Guild of Evil, now focusing on his next destination.
Demonfey 10-28-05, 12:30 AM	Thanks. Give those to Sargatanas or Ashariana when you see them. After all *buzzing sound* You never know who's watching...
Wilds 10-28-05, 12:39 AM	"As soon as they attack me or people I care about then they are no longer innocent. Before that I will not touch them, but once they become hostile then they die. Throats are normally a good place, bleeding and an excellent example."
Demonfey 10-28-05, 12:44 AM	I just like poetic justice and irony, myself. The hunter being the hunted, then what they themselves hunted. That, and I always thought being able to turn into a wolf would scare the hell out of people, which always makes them look so funny. :D
Wilds 10-28-05, 12:53 AM	"O it does scare them...... I "visited" one of the paladins family. Needless to say they werent too happy. But what can I do? It was the least that could be done to make up for my family being run down. The looks on their faces were priceless, first rejoice they thought they had me. Then anger and fear when I showed them their paladins head. Finally nothing as I ripped out their throats. Do I feel the urge to kill? Yes. I have no use for pawns or minions. Followers would be very good a pack of my own. But alas people willing to be werewolves are hard to come by. Unless you ahve a few extra minions that are of no more use? Then I could create test subjects and such."
Demonfey 10-28-05, 12:58 AM	Actually, you're talking to someone who's been interesting in lycanthropy for a while now. My...heritage has just gotten in the way of it. I'm pretty sure I can find others, too.
Wilds 10-28-05, 01:05 AM	"Interesting that would prove to be informing." Turning to the big evil guy. "I would like to join your organization."
Demonfey 10-28-05, 01:06 AM	You may have to undergo a loyalty test...the last person to join that wasn't truly evil was a spy.
Wilds 10-28-05, 01:12 AM	"What proof do you require?"
Demonfey 10-28-05, 01:14 AM	I said "may". For right now, you seem okay, but we will get back to you if it does become necessary.
Wilds 10-28-05, 01:16 AM	"Ok" He looks around briefly. "It seems that I have forgotten some mannors. My name is Blood Fang."
thasis 10-28-05, 10:05 AM	"My name is Thasis incase I didn't mention that. And you are welcome into my halls. A quick warning, if you betray us in any manor and form we will hunt you down and rip every organ out of your body... well your still alive" he then gives the Lycan a quick smile "But now that's over, welcome to the guild. I hope your stay is a semi-pleasant one"
Wilds 10-28-05, 10:12 AM	"Thank you. I have no intentions of causing any harm, well to this guild at least. Every one else, I dont know yet.......... Semi-pleasent? I lived in woods, this place is better than that"
Demonfey 10-28-05, 02:19 PM	Well, right now, there may be the occasional explosion here and there from the second floor. There's an alchemist and magical lab up there, and neither of those materials has ever been all that stable.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-29-05, 04:41 PM	I shall retire to my quarters for a few days and shall not return here for a while, a week possibly ( PROBLEMS IRL)
Wilds 10-29-05, 09:03 PM	"Explosions? I hope you arent dumping anything into nature, well extreme things. I can dispose of creatures and such that must be killed. So the second floor is "dangerous" I will remember that
Demonfey 10-29-05, 10:46 PM	Nothing like that. It's just volatile materials sometimes go boom if you make a mistake.
Wilds 10-29-05, 11:42 PM	"Sounds interesting....... Have any mistakes happened around goody guilds yet?"
Demonfey 10-29-05, 11:47 PM	Since they're currently staying in inns except for the Ghashmal keep members, they haven't made any mistakes because they don't have any buildings.
Wilds 10-30-05, 12:06 AM	"Inns? Why not attack them there? Not like they can set up that good of defenses"
Demonfey 10-30-05, 12:11 AM	Because where's the fun in that? Also, we have to stay in those inns if we have to rebuild something important, so that area's considered a no-combat zone. The GoPG will probably support a few members at a time, so there may be a few there at the moment.
Wilds 10-30-05, 12:22 AM	"I just like the idea of jumping them like what they did to my village"
Demonfey 10-30-05, 12:27 AM	Are we talking about the same people? The members of the guilds? If so, then I've explained why we can't. IF you mean other people, then they're fair game.
Wilds 10-30-05, 12:31 AM	"No same people. I was just trying to explain my thoughts." what is the feat from heros of battle called that gives Str instead of Cha as a bonus to leadership?
Demonfey 10-30-05, 12:35 AM	No clue. Don't own the book, you see.
Wilds 10-30-05, 12:41 AM	ok random guess Right by Might?
turalisj 10-30-05, 01:12 AM	there aren't any feats like that in HoB......
Orcy The Green Wonder 10-30-05, 01:31 AM	Might makes Right is a half-orc and orc feat that lets you use your strength bonus for leadership. Orcy should know, not only has he used it, but hes a half Orc!
Wilds 10-30-05, 02:13 AM	crap only orc and half-orc? arg, well no leadership for my lycan then
Von Crown 10-30-05, 05:54 AM	What are these feats mentioned upstream about extra stuff from leadership? I've got a character in the works that those should come in handy for. Also, I think that's kinda odd it being orc and half-orc only. Bugbears/hobgoblin/gnolls (particularly flind) anyone?
Blasphemous Revenant 10-30-05, 05:51 PM	crap only orc and half-orc? arg, well no leadership for my lycan then The feat is not limited to orcs and half-orcs. It's from Races of Faerun, by-the-way. Excerpt (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030301a) It's listed under Gray Orcs, but the prerequisites have no racial limitation. Valde Immodicus returns to the GoUE, followed by an attractive and well-dressed female and a group of homunculi. "I would like to introduce all of you to my wife, Bellatrix. Also, if it would be permitted, we would like to become members of this guild." You can be a member of multiple guilds, correct?
Von Crown 10-30-05, 05:53 PM	Yeah. And also, am I the only one who thinks that it seems like you use your strenght in addition to instead of replacing you charisma score with that feat?
Blasphemous Revenant 10-30-05, 05:54 PM	Yeah. And also, am I the only one who thinks that it seems like you use your strenght in addition to instead of replacing you charisma score with that feat? That's the way the feat works. You add your Strength bonus to your Leadership score for followers.
Von Crown 10-30-05, 06:50 PM	Thats... handy. Upstream the way it was stated was that it replaced it, or at least that's how I remember it sounding, anyways. Very handy feat... I'll keep that in mind for the character I'm working on...
Wilds 10-30-05, 07:09 PM	only for followers? or for cohorts too?
Blasphemous Revenant 10-30-05, 07:48 PM	only for followers? or for cohorts too? Only followers. The Stormhand Federation also created the feats Magocracy, which adds Intelligence, and Theocracy, which adds Wisdom.
Master_of_Flames 10-30-05, 07:54 PM	I'd change theocracy' name to wise ruler, merely because it sounds right.
Demonfey 10-30-05, 07:55 PM	New defense idea: Make this place have a "great and powerful malevolence". Or if we can, "Darkness like the world has never seen before".
Master_of_Flames 10-30-05, 08:02 PM	a freestanding wall made of the bones of dead skygge?And then put a tarp of stitched together skygge skin over the walls..... :D
Demonfey 10-30-05, 08:04 PM	No, it'd give the do-gooders too much satisfaction to see a wall of that material.
Master_of_Flames 10-30-05, 08:06 PM	ok, then change skygge to hound archon. or just plain human skin.
Demonfey 10-30-05, 08:09 PM	Too soft, I'm afraid. Also, too holy in the case of hound archons. Why not stone walls with the pieces of people stuck on spikes.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-30-05, 08:16 PM	If the entire structure were made of bone walls, it would be under a permanent desecrate effect. It would be a little weaker than stone, but we could make them magically treated. That, or just put a stone wall inbetween. EDIT: For the darkness part, would it be possible to create a spell that causes darkness, but can be penetrated by darkvision? I know the Blacklight spell from Forgotten Realms creates darkness that the caster can see through, but I don't know if that could be used for a permanent effect (Who would be able to see through it? For example).
Demonfey 10-30-05, 08:26 PM	New fortress enchantment: Psychic leech: Feeding off the energies of those inside, the fortress then uses that energy to become sentient. When sentient, the house becomes akin to a demiplane, altering itself as it wishes to and, for those it sees as true prey, begins using their fears, powers, anything that they can find. Given time and sustenance, the illusions it makes out of their fears become physical. At that point, the hunted become no longer useful, and are then absorbed into the house if caught. The only way out is to find the still moving corpse of the person who caused this, which is what haunts and drives this building of the damned. this house is classified as a great and malevolent evil for determining evil and the effects around it. Cost: 150,000 gp.
Demonfey 10-30-05, 08:30 PM	If the entire structure were made of bone walls, it would be under a permanent desecrate effect. It would be a little weaker than stone, but we could make them magically treated. That, or just put a stone wall inbetween. EDIT: For the darkness part, would it be possible to create a spell that causes darkness, but can be penetrated by darkvision? I know the Blacklight spell from Forgotten Realms creates darkness that the caster can see through, but I don't know if that could be used for a permanent effect (Who would be able to see through it? For example). Don't know. I just liked the idea of placing it between two spiked pits and having it activate when people are in the middle of the two pits, as well as said pits.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-30-05, 08:47 PM	Darkness, Lesser Evocation [Darkness] Level: Brd 1, Clr 1, Sor/Wiz 1 Components: V, M/DF Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Touch Target: Object touched Duration: 10 min./level (D) Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No This spell works like darkness, except it works more like regular darkness, rather than magical. Darkvision works normally, but nonmagical light sources, such as torches and lanterns, do not shed light in an area of lesser darkness. Light spells illuminate an area as normal. Black Luminary, Lesser: This large (2-foot wide) stell half-orb sheds lesser darkness in a 20-foot radius around itself. The creator of the orb can choose to include a shutter that will block the darkness when closed. Faint evocation; CL 1st; Craft Wondrous Item, lesser darkness; Price 1,000 gp.
Demonfey 10-30-05, 09:08 PM	Okay. It should pass material approval on the material approval thread.
turalisj 10-30-05, 09:10 PM	Don't know. I just liked the idea of placing it between two spiked pits and having it activate when people are in the middle of the two pits, as well as said pits. why not chain a pair of balor/pit fiends in the pits? in that case, why not have a balor in pne pit, a pit fiend in the other? :D
Blasphemous Revenant 10-30-05, 09:13 PM	Okay. It should pass material approval on the material approval thread. Posted. It would work well for Undead, Outsiders, and other creatures with darkvision. Then again, just placing the stronghold underground would eliminate the need for it.
Blasphemous Revenant 10-30-05, 09:18 PM	Immodicus clears his throat. "Well, it is clear Thasis is away. Give him my regards, as well as my wish to join, when you see him again. I am on a rather tight schedule, so unfortunately I do not have much time to spare." He turns and walks from the GoUE, followed by Bellatrix and the homunculi.
Demonfey 10-30-05, 09:25 PM	*Sticks his head out the door* I actually run the place in his absence. The two of you are now officially members. why not chain a pair of balor/pit fiends in the pits? in that case, why not have a balor in pne pit, a pit fiend in the other? Already been issues with pit fiends and balors, namely none of us would be able to summon them (at least not legally)
Wilds 10-30-05, 10:01 PM	why not legally? if u buy the scroll and cast it, why not be able to summon either?
Demonfey 10-30-05, 10:09 PM	Because the GMs don't want us to summon creatures stronger than us.
gabrion 10-30-05, 10:40 PM	Because the GMs don't want us to summon creatures stronger than us. Balors and Pit Fiends fall into that category? ;)
turalisj 10-30-05, 11:17 PM	for you gabrion, no. for everyone else, yes. :P
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-30-05, 11:21 PM	for you gabrion, no. for everyone else, yes. :P hahaha
Wilds 10-30-05, 11:59 PM	crap that makes my warmage/rogue worthless +30 in UMD down the drain....
gabrion 10-31-05, 01:28 AM	crap that makes my warmage/rogue worthless +30 in UMD down the drain.... Well you could always get a staff with holy word in it (or whatever matches your alignment), and see what the GMs rule about emulating caster level..... :D
Demonfey 10-31-05, 01:31 AM	Also, it's not like you could keep them here, and it would cost xp.
Wilds 10-31-05, 12:53 PM	Well so much for that. He can still use almsot any magic item though so thats good
thasis 10-31-05, 08:04 PM	I got grounded... couldn't go on... update me please!
Wilds 10-31-05, 08:15 PM	We are talking about the idea of damning the area of the temple and aorund the temple by sacrificing a great hero to an evil god. Thus causing mass damnation to the area and making it truly evil. Though the mass genocide idea seems appealing
Demonfey 10-31-05, 08:15 PM	Blasphemous Revenant has officially joined here, I'm working on figuring out how to defile this place to the point it's called "a darkness the likes of which have never been seen before", and Wilds wanted to try to summon pit fiends and balors, forgetting they'd be temporary and cost xp.
Wilds 10-31-05, 08:25 PM	Uhh Dont want to summon creatures like that. Though Im sure that it would be rather fun in game. Creating havoc and all. My char here cant even cast arcane spells. My SBB char can, but that wouldnt be good for business. Though thinking about it. Letting a pit fiend or balor lose onto the country side would be rather interesting
Demonfey 10-31-05, 08:36 PM	Go with a klurichirr if you have to summon a demon. After all, they are the strongest demon.
Wilds 10-31-05, 08:51 PM	I have no interest in summoning demons cause they are a DMs excuse to mess with peopel and its the players fault
Demonfey 10-31-05, 10:37 PM	We need to catch a kython nest. They're cruel, evil, and merciless killing machines.
Wilds 10-31-05, 10:41 PM	What would we need for that? I can buy some stuff wiht Incarin
Demonfey 10-31-05, 10:50 PM	horde of fast producing aberrations which view everyone else as food. Also have six different age categories, variant natural weaponry, immunities to two energy types and 20 resistance to another two. The highest unaltered CR is 13, and can be easily advanced to 15.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 10-31-05, 11:00 PM	We need to catch a kython nest. They're cruel, evil, and merciless killing machines. they have got to be my all time FAVORITE monsters ever, i just love their hiveminded brutality so much, i use to have a PC who was a...half fiend i believe, who worked in a Kython Nest by using the shell of an Impaler to blend in, but the Slaughter King eventually found out, but deemed him a "kython" and had him ritually bound into the shell he wore, thus making him a half-fiend/kython(he was originally half-fiend/human)
Wilds 10-31-05, 11:03 PM	those things. Love those things they fricking rock. Yes why dont we get a nest of them? Go on a little extra-planar adventure and aquire some demons? what MM are they in? 2 or 3?
Demonfey 10-31-05, 11:10 PM	BoVD. Also, the fact that the half fiend survived is amazing. I say we catch a slaymaster to start with, since a slaughterking would be a little too uncontrollable to start with. Subjugate the leader and the nest, bring in a slaughtermate that has been taught that we are stronger, and then enjoy having a nest of the most brutal aberrations I have found in any book at our command. IG... A group of people with a cage made out of bars of adamantine and some...thing thrashing around inside walk in, before an arm breaks through and a spike made out of what appears to be bone runs a carrier through before being forced back into the cage. All the others back away after that, and a portal beneath it opens and the cage falls through. The portal closes shortly after it falls through. Can you guess the purpose of this one?
Ashariana 10-31-05, 11:13 PM	Ashariana walks into the halls of the guild of ultimate evil, shaking her hips from side to side. She smiles sweetly and looks across the others there, her eyes resting on thasis. "Ah... well hello there. I was wondering if I could use the scrying pool I've heard you have. It would be quite useful in a soon to come... event of ours. So if you boys would... kindly direct me there I would be oh so happy..."
Demonfey 10-31-05, 11:18 PM	Hey Ashariana. The pool is down the hall, first door on the right. Just to get a second opinion, what do you think of capturing and training kythons as guards?
Ashariana 10-31-05, 11:45 PM	"Men with lots of chains... sounds interesting... Might be useful too. That all depends on what you want to use them for." Ashariana winks and smirks before heading into the building. Walking slowly to the room mentioned and approaching the scrying pool. She looks it over and procedes to use it for her own purposes...
Demonfey 10-31-05, 11:46 PM	Kythons, not kytons. The aberrations that grow their own weaponry and are ruled by slaughterkings. Kind of remind people of bug/lizard hybrids for the adults, except that they are the size of humans, have no eyes, and are more deadly than an average humanoid.
Wilds 11-01-05, 01:12 AM	"Taking over a nest of these ... creatures sounds like it would be a rather good idea. The guilds own utterly loyal guards and utterly brutal. The mistress could handle one of them and if not then I will handle one."
Demonfey 11-01-05, 01:17 AM	You hear something yelling "Its getting loose! It's getting loose!" before they're suddenly cut off by something...messy sounding. A window shatters as a four armed insectile/lizard like being jumps through, a corpse hanging from two spikes jutting out of its palms. It charges and jumps at Ashariana, only to have a gate open in front of it again, and in infernal, you hear "not again" before the creature disappears again. Sorry about that, but it appears my newest host doesn't feel like cooperating.
Wilds 11-01-05, 01:32 AM	"What was that?" Incarin floats to the room Ashariana is in Concentration check to Psionically Focus DC 20: 19 base + 7 (http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=177321) = 26. Incarin is psionically focused.
Demonfey 11-01-05, 01:36 AM	THAT *points to swathe of destruction created* was an angry kython. An impaler, to be exact.
Wilds 11-01-05, 01:40 AM	"O, well where is it? It seems capable, could use it for terror very useful. Either way I am sure that the Mistress or me are capable of getting it undercontrol"
Demonfey 11-01-05, 01:42 AM	"O, well where is it? It seems capable, could use it for terror very useful. Either way I am sure that the Mistress or me are capable of getting it undercontrol" This one is for me, and I just brought it to the real "me" in Carcerai. Ashariana can get a slaughterking if she wants one.
Wilds 11-01-05, 01:46 AM	"O, well then..... Hmmmmm what to do." Starts to wander away. Turning back "Have fun with your new pet."
Demonfey 11-01-05, 01:50 AM	"O, well then..... Hmmmmm what to do." Starts to wander away. Turning back "Have fun with your new pet." Pet? No. Body? Yes. This will make my fourth form.
Wilds 11-01-05, 10:42 AM	"Fourth form? You subjigate other creatures bodies to harbor your own soul?"
Demonfey 11-01-05, 12:58 PM	"Fourth form? You subjigate other creatures bodies to harbor your own soul?" Sorry, meant to say fifth. Also, before acting surprised, remember where you are at the moment. To explain this better, I normally just clone it, alter it enough to be considered "me" for dealing with the anti-possession spells, and then animate it and put a fragment of my consciousness into it to keep it under my control and make me the animating force.
Wilds 11-01-05, 02:27 PM	"O, do you need new bodies to live longer or for personal enjoyment?"
Demonfey 11-01-05, 02:31 PM	I need new bodies to physically act upon this plane. I died a few months ago, and can't get out of Carcerai completely.
Wilds 11-01-05, 02:51 PM	"That is rather unfortunate though I am not to sure for those on the mortal plane or those stuck Carcerai. Either way it seems that you have uncovered another form on immortality. Though one I beleive people would rather not do. I am one form, lichs another and gods the last. But you seem to have some how discovered a new way."
Demonfey 11-01-05, 03:16 PM	Immortality? Oh, no. I already had that. This is finding loopholes after you are dead and buried. If it helps, think of it as a hive mind where I'm the center and use the connected minds as extensions of myself.
Wilds 11-01-05, 03:23 PM	"O your already dead... Well then. Hivemind? sounds interesting. Though I find controlling other people to be much more interesting than the thought of having multiple bodies. Say, where you a lich before or something more? Immortality does not come easy. Except to my kind. How did you die then?"
Von Crown 11-01-05, 03:24 PM	"Besides, it's not like he'd have been the first one to use mind swapping for immortality, even if that was the goal."
Wilds 11-01-05, 03:25 PM	"True though what he has done is rather interesting. It is beyond simply switching ones mind with anothers."
Demonfey 11-01-05, 03:30 PM	"O your already dead... Well then. Hivemind? sounds interesting. Though I find controlling other people to be much more interesting than the thought of having multiple bodies. Say, where you a lich before or something more? Immortality does not come easy. Except to my kind. How did you die then?" Long story short, I died on a suicide mission, and that's all you need to know on that. For how I was immortal, it's complicated to explain, so I won't. No, I wasn't a lich, or an undead being. Let's just say I was mostly soul and leave it at that.
Demonfey 11-01-05, 03:33 PM	"True though what he has done is rather interesting. It is beyond simply switching ones mind with anothers." What I do is make empty receptacles that I inhabit.
thasis 11-03-05, 11:11 PM	Thasis comes out of his chambers and sits in his throne. He looks around the room "The fire shrouds my soul. My body is crushing it's own soul from the inside. I have contracted a disease that destroys my essence. In the end I implode. It is not even remotely pleasant. I am having to search for a cure to my illness that I contracted well away in the steamy jungles of Krak'Vran during my last point of absence. This is going to require me to be gone again. I am sorry for my increasing lack of presence in the management of this guild. Things shall be explained when I get back" Leaving for the weekand. I've also been feel like designing somethning so I'm going to work out some story to tell when I get back from cure searching.
Wilds 11-04-05, 12:25 AM	"Understood" sorry above talk was in green ment it to be brown i got confused :(
Demonfey 11-04-05, 12:32 AM	I'll keep an eye on the place until you return, Thasis.
Blasphemous Revenant 11-04-05, 09:14 PM	Any updates on the stronghold?
Demonfey 11-04-05, 10:10 PM	Not really. I'd like to just get one thing done at a time.
Blasphemous Revenant 11-04-05, 11:03 PM	Not really. I'd like to just get one thing done at a time. So, what one thing are we focusing on currently?
Demonfey 11-04-05, 11:09 PM	Trying to think of a good layout for the place.
Blasphemous Revenant 11-04-05, 11:27 PM	Trying to think of a good layout for the place. Need assistance?
turalisj 11-04-05, 11:34 PM	a skull shape? :D anyway, I still need people for my game on rpol.net.........
Demonfey 11-05-05, 12:08 AM	Maybe later. Also, there's college work, so...yeah.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 11-05-05, 12:43 AM	BoVD. Also, the fact that the half fiend survived is amazing. I say we catch a slaymaster to start with, since a slaughterking would be a little too uncontrollable to start with. Subjugate the leader and the nest, bring in a slaughtermate that has been taught that we are stronger, and then enjoy having a nest of the most brutal aberrations I have found in any book at our command. IG... A group of people with a cage made out of bars of adamantine and some...thing thrashing around inside walk in, before an arm breaks through and a spike made out of what appears to be bone runs a carrier through before being forced back into the cage. All the others back away after that, and a portal beneath it opens and the cage falls through. The portal closes shortly after it falls through. Can you guess the purpose of this one? yes it was rather amazing, took a lot of in depth RPing and some good saves.....and a half dozen cans of Mtn.Dew :bow: :chicken: :bow:
Demonfey 11-05-05, 12:47 AM	Ah. That explains it.
Wilds 11-05-05, 12:58 AM	demon college work? like actual work or school work? friday = time to chill
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 11-05-05, 01:00 AM	Ah. That explains it. all is well WORSHIP THE CHICKEN OF THE APOCALYPSE! :bow: :chicken: :bow: anyway, any idea for a cool Impaler Kython character? maybe shadowdancer 20?
Wilds 11-05-05, 01:01 AM	you really like epic stuff dont you? lol
Demonfey 11-05-05, 01:21 AM	demon college work? like actual work or school work? friday = time to chill No, RL college work. I'm a freshman in college, meaning school work.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 11-05-05, 12:29 PM	you really like epic stuff dont you? lol yes, but only because we're involved in an epic campaign and i need some cool ideas.
Wilds 11-05-05, 03:10 PM	No, RL college work. I'm a freshman in college, meaning school work. Stuff is fun isnt it? I got 2 essays from frikcing Bio 1 and Enlgihs 1 due on tuesday..... College :(
thasis 11-06-05, 08:27 PM	becasue of my ununderstanding, narcisitic, arrogant, hypocratical step father, i am being forced to relingquish my right of the use of the internet as a whole function. So i shall have to leave for a very extended period of time farewell and i hope that you will be able to function properly without my assistance. I hearby officially declare taht Demonfay is the new leader of the guild of ultimate evil. i dont ahve anything persoanl against all othersw in this guild i jsut think that demonFay would be the most reliable to lead and for the members of the guild or pure good, i leave Silmarian in charge unless she wishes someone else charge of the guild. again no persoanl feelings toward all others in the guild. i had to type this very quickly because i had little time so for all spelling mistakes i am sorry. this is my last and final post so here are my thanks. i thank everyone for there critisisms because if i didnt ahve them i would ahve never been able to learn the value of perfection. i also thank everyoen else for helping me through the last 2 or 3 years of my life for without you i would simply have killed myself. so in finality goodbye and farewell i will miss you all dreadfully signed , Thasis...
Demonfey 11-06-05, 08:32 PM	Goodbye, thasis. We'll miss you as much as you miss us. :(
Blasphemous Revenant 11-06-05, 08:36 PM	I hope you return in the future, under better circumstances. In the meanwhile, I intend to help preserve this guild until you get back (and even make it better). Good luck.
turalisj 11-06-05, 08:46 PM	Yeah. Without you, the guild house would have died a while ago. On another note; If I go off of the face of the earth for a while, I'm just getting the actual guild wars mmorpg.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 11-06-05, 08:48 PM	becasue of my ununderstanding, narcisitic, arrogant, hypocratical step father, i am being forced to relingquish my right of the use of the internet as a whole function. So i shall have to leave for a very extended period of time farewell and i hope that you will be able to function properly without my assistance. I hearby officially declare taht Demonfay is the new leader of the guild of ultimate evil. i dont ahve anything persoanl against all othersw in this guild i jsut think that demonFay would be the most reliable to lead and for the members of the guild or pure good, i leave Silmarian in charge unless she wishes someone else charge of the guild. again no persoanl feelings toward all others in the guild. i had to type this very quickly because i had little time so for all spelling mistakes i am sorry. this is my last and final post so here are my thanks. i thank everyone for there critisisms because if i didnt ahve them i would ahve never been able to learn the value of perfection. i also thank everyoen else for helping me through the last 2 or 3 years of my life for without you i would simply have killed myself. so in finality goodbye and farewell i will miss you all dreadfully signed , Thasis... goodbye friend
Demonfey 11-06-05, 09:01 PM	A servant, coming out of Thasis' room, somberly carries his blade, and hands it to Crowley. Thanks. This will do for what I have planned to honor him. With that, the Demon, Swarm, Wolf, Elemental, and now, the Aberration, which you can't see through the cloak, walk towards the throne Thasis sat upon, now barren and alone. Chanting, all of them touch either the blade or the throne, and the Demon, Abberation, and Elemental plunge it into the throne, where it shall stand as a testament to Thasis' rule over this building, and carry on as a reminder of him. They have even made sure it will never fall to the march of time. One leaves, and comes back with a plaque, which they all affix to the throne, reading "IN MEMORY OF OUR LEADER, THASIS. MAY HE SOME DAY REJOIN OUR RANKS."
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 11-06-05, 09:21 PM	Nemesis walks somberly into the throne room, Ghost following @ his heels, he places the skull of a large black dragon atop the throne ( anyone who takes hostile action to the throne/guild is affected by the Nailed To The Sky & Vengeful Gaze Of God spells ( this was made by my friend's epic sorceror to protect our guild until Thasis' return, an the backlash damage is dealt to me)
Demonfey 11-06-05, 09:31 PM	The skull doesn't have those properties (GMs'd make us pay for it), but thanks for the thought. Demon takes the skull, and carefully balances it upon the hilt of the blade and the top of the throne, so it may symbolically keep watch for Thasis.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-06-05, 10:18 PM	becasue of my ununderstanding, narcisitic, arrogant, hypocratical step father, i am being forced to relingquish my right of the use of the internet as a whole function. So i shall have to leave for a very extended period of time farewell and i hope that you will be able to function properly without my assistance. I hearby officially declare taht Demonfay is the new leader of the guild of ultimate evil. i dont ahve anything persoanl against all othersw in this guild i jsut think that demonFay would be the most reliable to lead and for the members of the guild or pure good, i leave Silmarian in charge unless she wishes someone else charge of the guild. again no persoanl feelings toward all others in the guild. i had to type this very quickly because i had little time so for all spelling mistakes i am sorry. this is my last and final post so here are my thanks. i thank everyone for there critisisms because if i didnt ahve them i would ahve never been able to learn the value of perfection. i also thank everyoen else for helping me through the last 2 or 3 years of my life for without you i would simply have killed myself. so in finality goodbye and farewell i will miss you all dreadfully signed , Thasis... dear thasis, it has been an honour and a joy - an adventure all the way. I remember the day you arrived and it seems like yesterday. Your company has uplifted and enriched all of us. You have brought candour, colour, energy and enthusiasm to your posts. It's been a two-way street. You've returned as much as we've given. I'm sorry about what has happened or is happening at home. You must never give in to the darkness of despair. You must always remember to let the light in and that life is always vibrant, all around you. Ward well on your way, while you also remember the dignity of the right kind of risks at the same time. take good risks - we are with you in spirit - even when we are far away...... In an explosion of silvery cobolt, Silmarien and the Pereldar appear in formation and attired according to rank, role and privilege at the Keep. The Versemasters and their silver and blue robes, stiched along the hems with silverstarfire thread. Meneldil the Astronamer, heads the Guard, their hauberks and silverstarfire surcoats, and blazing shields by Silmarien's side. Then, beside those ranks, stand the Versediviners, with their Hallowed Wyrding, in draping robes, Rh'iel's face stitched upon their clothes. The rest of the Keep's People gather about, farmers, families, smiths, alchemists and all manner of folk. There is a complete silence, except for the sound of their weeping. They stand about the Obelisk, of Peredhil Halls, under the noon-day sunshine. In unision, the Versemasters go *clack**clack**clack* A blast of Hallowed Song finds your portal and the Silverstarfire erupts from their staffs and a wide, coherent blast of Silvery Blue Fires erupts into the heavens with a massive detonation of sound. In PluriPotent Verse, Silmarien says, The Goddess Rh'iel Hallows thine Path May thine Journey propel thee to heights unknown You are of Stardust, thasis, and all that you are is Vibrant with Life. Go well Hero of the Pereldar! Another detonation of light and sound explodes into the skies.
VampiricBloodlustNemesis 11-06-05, 10:47 PM	The skull doesn't have those properties (GMs'd make us pay for it), but thanks for the thought. Demon takes the skull, and carefully balances it upon the hilt of the blade and the top of the throne, so it may symbolically keep watch for Thasis. alright, well just for a note its the skull of Nemesis' father, a Black Great Wyrm
Demonfey 11-06-05, 11:28 PM	Fair enough, since it's for decor.
Blasphemous Revenant 11-07-05, 01:36 PM	Valde Immodicus and his 'entourage' appear in the doorway and let themselves in. He is accompanied by his wife, Bellatrix, and they are flanked by a number of homunculi. A host of undead Drow follow in their footsteps, some bearing the arms of warriors, while others don robes of scholars and vestments of acolytes. They remain silent and reverently somber throughout the ceremony. Afterwards, Valde places his fist over his chest (where his heart would be), and he kneels before the Monument of the Throne. His host follows suit. Valde speaks quietly. "May swiftness guide you from the Jaws of Despair. Return in due time, honorable leader."
Wilds 11-07-05, 02:00 PM	Fang walks forward and takes a knee infront of the throne. "May the moon light your path back to this world"
Dyne 11-07-05, 02:55 PM	A young elf in emerald green robes steps inconspicuously into the halls. He pays no heed to any of the others gathered within, but instead makes his way directly to the throne. "One of the most influential people to grace these lands. His loss shall be a severe blow." The elf pauses for a moment, thinking. He then turns away, and fades from the presence of the Tyranorians.
Wilds 11-07-05, 03:13 PM	Hey Dyne, happy to see that your still reading the boards.
Demonfey 11-07-05, 04:32 PM	Hey, Dyne. It's been a while.
Demonfey 11-07-05, 06:28 PM	Most of the forms go, with only the Aberration remaining. As they depart, the shadows of the building grow, and a portal to the skygge realm opens. An elder comes through, and stands next to the Aberration. Without Thasis or Droga, you will be our representative to the Skygge, and the true Droga. You shall return to your homeland unless called. This is not an option. Understood? The skygge nods to the creature enshrouded in a cowl, whose form you have yet to see. Excellent. Now leave my sight until I call for you. With that, the skygge melts back into shadows and the portal closes after it.
Von Crown 11-07-05, 06:39 PM	I can't really come up with anything good IG for this, but he will most certainly be missed. In completely unrelated news, I may have made a big breakthrough today in my removal of the alignments system. It deals with mechanics, since that's the bit that's been the hardest. It's still foggy, but I think I may pull out a new categorization system that is in many ways different and the same. I can tell you this- Contagion and Holy Smite go in the same category. As do Animate Dead and Create Food and Water. I won't go into the giant mechanics semantics yet, but the general ideas is that alignment descriptors on spells go bye-bye, and the is something new that I have so far been refering to as Intent. As is, there are 4 categories- Creation, Destruction, Preservation, and Change. It's not terribly difficult in many cases to tell where something goes, but the main point is for things like alignment restriction on spells, you instead have forbidden intent. The most confusing part is that spells can have different intents in different situations. For example, cure light wounds, cast on a living creature, will generally have the Preservation intent, as will an inflict spell cast on an undead, or generally anything that heals hit points. However, the same person casting cure light wounds on an undead would cause the spell to have the Destruction intent, as would an inflict spell cast on a living creature. I plan on working out then how paladins and clerics deal with intent, as well as other previously alignment-based things. The last possible major change pertains to how intent, for example, would apply to turning/rebuking undead. One thought of mine that is fairly at teh forefront is putting more emphasis on a cleric's religion, and abstracting further from the prevalent 'patron deity' system. I'm thinking a sort of alliegance kinda thing, which could of course be dieties, but it would also allow more interesting possibilities such as a nomadic tribe who's divine spellcasters derive their power from their loyalty to one another or something of that sort. In such a setup, divine spellcasting would not be granted by a deity so much as one's faith in said deity. That aside, and to get back to my point, clerics may get abilities other that turn/rebuke undead by their alliegance. In fact, those abilities may be the techniques of several religions that pertain to undead (I've got a deity in my campaign setting that would be great for turn/destroy. Suffice to say, it is said deities followers that are a strong part of why I wanted to remove the alignment system as-is. Think Salem Witch Trials or Spanish Inquisition). Until I get more concrete ideas, that's all for now. Feel free to put in your :twocents: . Keep in mind I will likely ignore anyone who just says 'I think getting rid of the alignment system is dumb', so if that's all you've got, I don't care.
Demonfey 11-07-05, 06:41 PM	Very interesting.
Von Crown 11-07-05, 06:46 PM	Also, a given person wouldn't have a listed intent (i.e. 'I'm a destruction-intent half orc barbarian'), but some characters tend to have prevalent streaks of one or more in their goals, I've noticed. Like Crowley does seem to be quite focused on Destruction (worshipping Garyx and all), but he also does seem to have a strong affinity for Change overall (grafts are a good example). Something vaguely inspired by Crowley was in fact what originally sparked this idea in the first place.
Demonfey 11-07-05, 06:49 PM	May I ask what I inspired, Von Crown?
Von Crown 11-07-05, 07:01 PM	Sure. In a different game I'm designing (computer programming class, long story) I was thinking there might be x amout of powerful NPCs who you could visit to recieve tasks. I was thinking of useing Mordred for one, and I had an idea for another based incredibly loosely on Crowley (particularly the Oni form, as in when you showed up in the side reality). It started out as a vague demonish thing with a somewhat similar attitude, then it became continually more indisticnt in my head that it's now going to end up being called 'The Lord of Chaos' or somesuch, and actually resembles Garyx quite a bit in terms of usage. I then thought "okay, so let's say we've got 4 NPC people. They should represent something, I think, but I want to stay away from traditional 'Good vs. Evil', since I was already trying to remove the alignment system (and not making much headway). In pondering what they could be, I came up with the four Inents and thought "Hey, that's cool, I could probably use that in DnD". I've basically been spending all my time since (this was earlier today I thought of it) mulling over the balance and mechanics ramifications. The toughest think by far, I think, will be incarnum, since the Incarnate and Soulborn classes are very firmly rooted in the alignment system.
Demonfey 11-07-05, 08:45 PM	Sounds interesting. I'm glad that I have made your character concept so indistinct, by the way.
Demonfey 11-07-05, 09:47 PM	Retiring to a room, the Aberration sits on a chair of forged iron and, with a claw wrapped in cloth, grasps something you can't see inside the folds of its cowl. What am I going to do? As the creature mulls over its thoughts, with one hand moving somewhat erratically, as if it were being guided by something that couldn't tell where the items were, it finds a piece of paper, some ink, and tears off some of its bindings around one claw, and begins sketching things as though it were disconnected from the musings of the rest of the body. The result of that drawing is a picture of a gigantic pair of nunchucks attacking the GoPG. After that, the Aberration waves two hands, summoning a Pie Fiend, grabs it, and eats it, shoving it into the hood with sounds of teeth gnashing and a fiend made out of flaky crust screaming in terror, suddenly cut off. Mmm, pie...
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-08-05, 01:51 PM	Glenn and his Erinyes walk into the Guild of Ultimate Evil's halls. They look around and Glenn bows. "Greetings you Kings of Chaos, Sultains of Slaughter, Lords of Lust, Masters of Menace... Alright enough of that. I believe one of your disembodied voices or some form of creature I did not notice wishes to speak about purchasing a thing or two?"
Demonfey 11-08-05, 01:53 PM	The Aberration comes out That'd be me. What did you place on that door in the Temple that caused all incorporeal things to become corporeal?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-08-05, 01:56 PM	The Aberration comes out That'd be me. What did you place on that door in the Temple that caused all incorporeal things to become corporeal? "Ah, I installed blocks in the wall to both make it impossible for etherial or incoporeal creatures to pass through the walls, as well as protecting most of the building from the same. I pitty the ninja that tries to leap through the wall and finds his head crashing into it. I could do that here as well, but a good artist never reveals his secrets. So you'd need me to do it all for you... Have to uhm... would you believe feed the kids? Millions of them?"
Demonfey 11-08-05, 02:17 PM	Not really, no. My real question I guess is how much for that to cover the entire guild?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 03:55 PM	Hello, the name is Priest, funny isnt it, a being who steals power from the Gods and calling himself a "Priest", that aside, May I join your guild?
Demonfey 11-08-05, 04:02 PM	Sure, Ur-Priest.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 04:21 PM	Sure, Ur-Priest. Thank you my friend, now, would anyone direct me to a room or simply to someone who can help me get acquainted here? and simply Priest is fine, as it is the name which seems to follow me.....
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 04:31 PM	-edited due to similarity to....*gag* Nemesis *gag*-
Demonfey 11-08-05, 04:51 PM	Pretty sure Nemesis did something similar, actually.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 04:55 PM	Pretty sure Nemesis did something similar, actually. ugh, I shall not let myself fall into that...thing's pitiful noch of existance, consider that notion terminated. Thank you demonfey for bringing that to my attention.
Demonfey 11-08-05, 04:58 PM	Just out of curiosity, any idea why Nemesis quit in such a rage?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 05:15 PM	Just out of curiosity, any idea why Nemesis quit in such a rage? well, i know him personally, irl, he is the BIGGEST egotistical jerk in the world, he had been spamming the epic boards and such to make people create him ungodly- and i use that term loosely, for i am considered such, IG, but anyway he wanted people to make him actual god-like characters and all this crazy stuff and they got sick and tired of it and he basically - like you said, "quit in a rage" he vowed not to return to the WotC boards again, and i hope he doesnt. but along the lines of MY character, i would appreciate some insight on making a Kobold Ur-Priest 20, i mean, i will make him and all, but i need some cool ideas for him & his gear thank you Priest
Demonfey 11-08-05, 05:25 PM	Have him start by being raised by the Vashar, being noticed as a being with potential for cruelty, evil, and potential deicide. Fighter/sorceror mix would probably be best, although a fighter/warlock could be interesting to see. For items, start with a holy symbol of Kurtulmak (good for a cleric disguise), an unholy vile spear too, and some fiendish grafts. Lighter armor would be better for you, if any at all, so you can retain your kolboldian dexterity and, with the right choices, get away from any potential fight as necessary. Also,a suggestion would be to diversify species wise, so that you don't get stuck in a rut (ex: Nemesis had a fixation on half black dragons). That's not supposed to be meant as an insult, just a suggestion. More later.
Wilds 11-08-05, 05:48 PM	well, i know him personally, irl, he is the BIGGEST egotistical jerk in the world, he had been spamming the epic boards and such to make people create him ungodly- and i use that term loosely, for i am considered such, IG, but anyway he wanted people to make him actual god-like characters and all this crazy stuff and they got sick and tired of it and he basically - like you said, "quit in a rage" he vowed not to return to the WotC boards again, and i hope he doesnt. Dont know about the rest of you but his consistant use of CAPS and already pushyness were starting to wear on my nerves and i mean starting as in i read his first post and disliked him. It will be too soon for me if i ever see him on these boards again. We are a comunity not a bunch of people dedicated to serving someones irrational needs like minions. This is harsh i realize, but i have had a run in with a person who is enough like nemesis to the point were their personality type rubs me the wrong way. Too much backstabbing and/or trying to crush the other persons minimal repuatation of being a nice guy.
Wilds 11-08-05, 05:49 PM	"A priest who steals power from the gods? Sounds like a good thing if u ask me."
Demonfey 11-08-05, 05:52 PM	Now that I think about it, one of my characters could use a partner in his work (grafting), namely one that can cast healing spells. You can steal healing spells as an Ur priest, as well as any other spells you feel like, so you would make a good partner. You'd get half of the money made from the grafting (In other words, (total cost*75 to 100%) -50% (materials)/2 equals your cut. My cut equals the exact same thing). Interested?
Demonfey 11-08-05, 05:54 PM	Dont know about the rest of you but his consistant use of CAPS and already pushyness were starting to wear on my nerves and i mean starting as in i read his first post and disliked him. It will be too soon for me if i ever see him on these boards again. We are a comunity not a bunch of people dedicated to serving someones irrational needs like minions. This is harsh i realize, but i have had a run in with a person who is enough like nemesis to the point were their personality type rubs me the wrong way. Too much backstabbing and/or trying to crush the other persons minimal repuatation of being a nice guy. Even though I don't normally do this, I have to agree with you. So...want to loot the kobold marine center?
Wilds 11-08-05, 06:01 PM	"Lets go, could use some more stuff" Shifts into werewolf hybrid. "Then again this will atract attention." Reverts back to human form. o crap, just relaized i need to psot rest of this char.... ill get to that tonight
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 06:07 PM	"A priest who steals power from the gods? Sounds like a good thing if u ask me." thank you friend, i shall serve well
Demonfey 11-08-05, 06:07 PM	That might help a bit... ;) You think that you'll get looks? Wait until you see...THIS! Grabbing the cloak, the Aberration rips it in half, revealing a carapace the color of blood, chitinous plates, and wings that look both demonic and beetle-like. Otherwise, it looks like a normal Kyton, except it seems to be wearing pants. What do you think?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 06:07 PM	Even though I don't normally do this, I have to agree with you. So...want to loot the kobold marine center? hahaha already planned on it, im in that noted, would anyone mind cooperating with me on getting the basic stats for a Kobold Ur-Priest 20 written out? i will do it, could you just tell me what i would use on a generator....would i use it as a clerical progression/build?
Demonfey 11-08-05, 06:13 PM	Let me just see if we can make money off it.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 06:14 PM	Let me just see if we can make money off it. what do you have in mind DF?
Demonfey 11-08-05, 06:19 PM	Checking with the GMs to see if they will allow the looting of dead guilds.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 06:25 PM	Checking with the GMs to see if they will allow the looting of dead guilds. Hi Ho Hi Ho A Looting we shall go! any ideas on the way to make an Ur-priest using www.pathguy.com/cg35.htm 's generator? should i put it under prestige class with a cleric build?
Demonfey 11-08-05, 06:29 PM	Maybe. Can't hurt, anyway.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 06:38 PM	Maybe. Can't hurt, anyway. well if it's not any trouble could you please review it and let me know so i can get my actual stats down asap?
Demonfey 11-08-05, 06:41 PM	Link's not letting me see the generator.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 06:42 PM	Link's not letting me see the generator. http://pathguy.com/cg35.htm or if not, go to Google, look up Javascript 3.5 D&D Character Generator, and look for that link. PS: abou that Tome Mote....could you post a link to where it is located? thanks.
Demonfey 11-08-05, 06:56 PM	That probably would help... Here's the link (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7694324&postcount=134)
Demonfey 11-08-05, 07:01 PM	Anyway, I have no problems with you using that to roll up a character, so long as you post it in some form on the Player Character Thread 4, to which the character sheets in my sig will lead to it (except for Crowley, who I use as my avatar because I gan get away with such interesting ideas with him...)
Von Crown 11-08-05, 07:13 PM	Ur-Priest 20 as in an Epic progression for the PrC right? And that is presumably then, not for the IFWG, right? Is there an Epic Progression for Ur-Priest anywhere? 'Cuz if so I'd like to see that. Anyways, you may get on well with Mordred. The palanquain (From the portal like a month or so ago) comes into view from wherever it has been. "Ah, another who steals the power of the Gods. It has been quite some time since I have seen one such as yourself. I've bedated studying it myself, but couldn't decide between that or psionics, and overall it just hasn't really seemed worth the effort. A dim light flichers inside the black curtains, followed shortly afterwards by a large plume of smoke coming out the palanquian's windows. "So, have you ever considered having a non-deity patron? I have several in mind with one of your talents, I must say. You heard a loud sigh, along with a rustling sound from within. "I wonder what's holding him up?"
Demonfey 11-08-05, 07:17 PM	Didn't I have Crowley basically grab your Mordred's roaming body and teleport it to where your soul is? Whatever happened to that, anyway?
Von Crown 11-08-05, 07:18 PM	You never said where you teleported to, so I couldn't say anything about you having to leave throught the Inverse Sun. The only way out of that alternate reality is to cast a spell for planar travel while within a mile of so of the Inverse Sun. Planar travel fails anywhere else in there, and you can't just teleport in or out.
Demonfey 11-08-05, 07:23 PM	Oh. Didn't know that. To wrap that up then: What the hell? Why aren't we out? Well, I know someone that can help, anyway... *Teleport back to the circle with the owl-like mage Hi, can I borrow a gate out? Or something like that? Maybe that ship?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 07:34 PM	Ur-Priest 20 as in an Epic progression for the PrC right? And that is presumably then, not for the IFWG, right? Is there an Epic Progression for Ur-Priest anywhere? 'Cuz if so I'd like to see that. Anyways, you may get on well with Mordred. The palanquain (From the portal like a month or so ago) comes into view from wherever it has been. "Ah, another who steals the power of the Gods. It has been quite some time since I have seen one such as yourself. I've bedated studying it myself, but couldn't decide between that or psionics, and overall it just hasn't really seemed worth the effort. A dim light flichers inside the black curtains, followed shortly afterwards by a large plume of smoke coming out the palanquian's windows. "So, have you ever considered having a non-deity patron? I have several in mind with one of your talents, I must say. You heard a loud sigh, along with a rustling sound from within. "I wonder what's holding him up?" The "Priest" moves with an unearthly grace as he moves alongside the sounds of the voice: "Tell me more, friend"
Demonfey 11-08-05, 07:37 PM	That's not Mordred. Mordred is (currently) possessing a female body.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 07:44 PM	That's not Mordred. Mordred is (currently) possessing a female body. fixed last post
Von Crown 11-08-05, 07:50 PM	"Er... Out of what, exactly? And it may take a while for the repairs on the ship to be complete. Why would you need it, anyways? As far as I can tell, you can survive in Inner SPace, right? So why not just rent a catapult or something? That's basically how we launch the ship, anyways." Back in the guildhall- "Well, Mordred aside, myself, Greed, or Envy, the one I'm waiting for, would all be good choices. I've heard the others are offering some powers, and I have a considerable bit myself. I would recommend myself, of course, but that is to be expected. I presume you would choose whomever most suits your disposition. There are others, but I listed those most probabe for one with your talents."
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 07:57 PM	"Er... Out of what, exactly? And it may take a while for the repairs on the ship to be complete. Why would you need it, anyways? As far as I can tell, you can survive in Inner SPace, right? So why not just rent a catapult or something? That's basically how we launch the ship, anyways." Back in the guildhall- "Well, Mordred aside, myself, Greed, or Envy, the one I'm waiting for, would all be good choices. I've heard the others are offering some powers, and I have a considerable bit myself. I would recommend myself, of course, but that is to be expected. I presume you would choose whomever most suits your disposition. There are others, but I listed those most probabe for one with your talents." i could use someone to look up to and about the Level 20 Ur-Priest, i will only be level 10 for the IFGW....but im thinking of making my Kobold Umbral...er Shadow template...whatever you want to call it
Wilds 11-08-05, 08:04 PM	theres actually two different templates so shadow or umbral? you cant go 20 in Ur-priest until epic levels. sorry unless i misunderstood you, which is always possible wiht me
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 08:08 PM	theres actually two different templates so shadow or umbral? you cant go 20 in Ur-priest until epic levels. sorry unless i misunderstood you, which is always possible wiht me Umbral and you did misunderstand me, forgive my lack of info, i will be an Umbral Kobold Ur-Priest 10 eventually gaining core class levels(maybe ex-cleric) but i want to start as an Ur-Priest then go epic Ur-Priest
Wilds 11-08-05, 08:13 PM	you cant gain ex-cleric levels, you can only be that after being a cleric then lossing it. By the way, how did u qualify for ur-priest?
Von Crown 11-08-05, 08:16 PM	Mordred would fill that niche well. He was once a cleric who eventually grew in power and slew his old diety. He's semi-retired, due largely to the fact that I DM now more than I play. 'Ve got my own Campaign Setting that has some... unusual parts. A lot of emphasis on the Far Realms and Alternate Realities and such as well (which gives me good exuse to stick myself just about wherever I want...). I'll admit, he's massively overleveled, but overkill is fun sometimes. Besides, the guy who DMs for me occasionally is good at putting things together to still be challenging, and there's all the fun of planning overly complex long drawn-out plots, and invading the Fogotten Realms never gets old (semi-joke- Published CS's have thousands of duplicate realities. They just occur more often for some reason).
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 08:18 PM	you cant gain ex-cleric levels, you can only be that after being a cleric then lossing it. By the way, how did u qualify for ur-priest? ex-cleric ( i know, i will TAKE cleric then purposely lose it) ur-priest ( forgot to check prereq's, maybe ill start as a cleric, THEN go to it) im having an off day....
Wilds 11-08-05, 08:19 PM	wow no harm ment just wondering. I have a question for every one who reads the thread. How do you loss class levels? It has yet to make sense to me
Demonfey 11-08-05, 08:21 PM	"Er... Out of what, exactly? And it may take a while for the repairs on the ship to be complete. Why would you need it, anyways? As far as I can tell, you can survive in Inner SPace, right? So why not just rent a catapult or something? That's basically how we launch the ship, anyways." Back in the guildhall- "Well, Mordred aside, myself, Greed, or Envy, the one I'm waiting for, would all be good choices. I've heard the others are offering some powers, and I have a considerable bit myself. I would recommend myself, of course, but that is to be expected. I presume you would choose whomever most suits your disposition. There are others, but I listed those most probabe for one with your talents." This is the creator. I'm not sure how well he'd hold up in space as is, due to him being wrent body and soul.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 08:25 PM	wow no harm ment just wondering. I have a question for every one who reads the thread. How do you loss class levels? It has yet to make sense to me through death, and i believe some undead drain the too, but dont quote me but i dont get it either
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 08:26 PM	This is the creator. I'm not sure how well he'd hold up in space as is, due to him being wrent body and soul. hmm?
Von Crown 11-08-05, 08:29 PM	You mean for PrC's with an ex-whatever requirement? You lose the benefits of those levels (gained from the class itself, you keep skills and feats not gained from bonus feats, as far as I can tell), and then get the levels of the other thing as if you had never taken the others, except for anything qualifying you for that PrC. At least, that's my interpretation. And of course, you might also get extra abilities from taking advantage of the opportunity to do this.
Wilds 11-08-05, 08:34 PM	wow that can be abused so badly, keep skills? and feats frick. Well seems kind of balanced. I know its somewhere just not to sure for official rules
Von Crown 11-08-05, 08:40 PM	I mean you keep 'em as in you don't get to change them.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 08:43 PM	helping figure out what the closest i can get with an Umbral Kobold in class levels to a CR 15 ( ie. Cleric(Ex) Ur-Priest ) ?
Wilds 11-08-05, 08:47 PM	O uh sure, where is umbral from? ill look for some info
Von Crown 11-08-05, 08:50 PM	I'd need a LA for Umbral, but Libris Mortis doesn't have one listed. I think there's one in Savage Species, but I don't have that. I'd do it if I had the LA.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 08:54 PM	O uh sure, where is umbral from? ill look for some info i cant remember though i believe the example creature for it was an ettin checl MotP?
Von Crown 11-08-05, 08:57 PM	It's in Savage Species, and reprinted in Libris Mortis with no listed LA. My friend says it has LA in SS. The example creature is Ettin in SS and Displacer Beast in LM.
Wilds 11-08-05, 08:58 PM	crap.... i dont have that up here
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 09:02 PM	sweet so im thinking ExCleric 10/Ur-Priest 5?
Wilds 11-08-05, 09:07 PM	you will only have a CL of 10 i think. Unless i read the book wrong
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 09:13 PM	you will only have a CL of 10 i think. Unless i read the book wrong get me the best build you can using Umbral Kobold ExCleric / Ur-Priest if you cant/dont want to, at least help me figure out the few basics i need for use in the thread Cleric Domains: Darkness Pain
Von Crown 11-08-05, 09:15 PM	No, I mean it has no LA listed. As in LA:-, not LA:+0. LA:- generally means it's not for PCs. I heard it has a listed LA in Savage Species though.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 09:17 PM	No, I mean it has no LA listed. As in LA:-, not LA:+0. LA:- generally means it's not for PCs. I heard it has a listed LA in Savage Species though. alrighty, well work with it if you can ill offer any help i can too
Wilds 11-08-05, 09:17 PM	ok when u become and ex-cleric u loss all spells so domains are worthless. The one thing that i can think of that might work would be a sor 5 then go ur-priest, becaue then u have 2nd level arcane spells at 5CL and 12/13CL Divine spells It says in description that "Any levels gained in the cleric class by an ex-cleric don't count" so ex-cleric 5 would mean only a Caster Level of 10 for Ur-priest and no CL or spells for the 5 ex-cleric levels. so possibly sor 5 which u then loss and pick up the umbral template and 10 levels off Ur-priest, but then you only have a CL of 10 for the Ur-priest again.... arg. Hm gana have to look in CO boards for some good builds that u can modifie
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 09:20 PM	ok when u become and ex-cleric u loss all spells so domains are worthless. The one thing that i can think of that might work would be a sor 5 then go ur-priest, becaue then u have 2nd level arcane spells at 5CL and 12/13CL Divine spells It says in description that "Any levels gained in the cleric class by an ex-cleric don't count" so ex-cleric 5 would mean only a Caster Level of 10 for Ur-priest and no CL or spells for the 5 ex-cleric levels. so possibly sor 5 which u then loss and pick up the umbral template and 10 levels off Ur-priest, but then you only have a CL of 10 for the Ur-priest again.... arg. Hm gana have to look in CO boards for some good builds that u can modifie let me know what u can do why would i lose sorc levels?
Von Crown 11-08-05, 09:23 PM	We'd still need to kow LA for Umbral Creature.
Wilds 11-08-05, 09:24 PM	cause im pretty sure umbral has an LA and u can only have ECL 15
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 09:25 PM	cause im pretty sure umbral has an LA and u can only have ECL 15 fine with me
Wilds 11-08-05, 09:30 PM	arg the fort and will save reqs are killers for sors monk 1, sor 4, Ur-priest 10 and take away first way x for umbral
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 09:33 PM	arg the fort and will save reqs are killers for sors monk 1, sor 4, Ur-priest 10 and take away first way x for umbral getting the base stats down?
Wilds 11-08-05, 09:43 PM	stats? the saves are the problem everything else can be acheived by 5th level, but the saves are killers. its your call ultimatly, but monk1/sor4 for the base classes seems ok, your Ur-Priest CL will only be 12 at most and 10 at least
Von Crown 11-08-05, 09:45 PM	I'd say Umbral is at least +2 or +3, possibly more. You probably would not be able to get full Ur-Priest, so your caster level probably wouldn't even be 10. I'd drop Umbral, although it is a neat idea... What was your reasoning for Umbral? Incorporeality? You might be able to do Ghostwalk-style Ghost for no La and incorporeality. I dan't have the book though, so I dunno.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 09:55 PM	I'd say Umbral is at least +2 or +3, possibly more. You probably would not be able to get full Ur-Priest, so your caster level probably wouldn't even be 10. I'd drop Umbral, although it is a neat idea... What was your reasoning for Umbral? Incorporeality? You might be able to do Ghostwalk-style Ghost for no La and incorporeality. I dan't have the book though, so I dunno. well whatever you think is best, maybe monk/ur-priest?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-08-05, 10:52 PM	http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=533255 put that under allies and remove nemesis from your member list add me thanks Priest
Demonfey 11-08-05, 10:57 PM	I don't have control of the list (thasis posted it, I'll have to start a new one, which will happen after either 1000 posts or after the pruning, whichever comes first. That way, there won't be four possibly active versions of the GoUE. In the mean time, here: Unholy Despoilers (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=533255) Nemesis is no longer a member. Kobold_Ur_Priest is a member, as is Wilds.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 11:59 AM	I don't have control of the list (thasis posted it, I'll have to start a new one, which will happen after either 1000 posts or after the pruning, whichever comes first. That way, there won't be four possibly active versions of the GoUE. In the mean time, here: Unholy Despoilers (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=533255) Nemesis is no longer a member. Kobold_Ur_Priest is a member, as is Wilds. awesome thanks DF!
Demonfey 11-09-05, 12:01 PM	Your welcome, Priest. Also, I got the original marine threads closed (the ones started by Nemesis)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 12:36 PM	Your welcome, Priest. Also, I got the original marine threads closed (the ones started by Nemesis) thanks, thats good, please go check out the new aspects of the Unholy Despoiler's guild, i believe you may like them.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 12:44 PM	is it possible to get a Shadow Demon (BoVD) bound to Priest, or possibly implant his mind into one (which i would like better)? I want to give hime something unique and add some flavour to him. Since he deals with evil beings on a daily basis, I thought it would be cool for him to have one protecting him as he goes about his business
Demonfey 11-09-05, 12:47 PM	Those are interesting ideas. If we can develop a spell for that and get it approved, then yes. Or maybe we can develop one as a cohort, similar to how Ashariana has a bodyguard. Good description for Unholy Despoilers, by the way.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 12:49 PM	Those are interesting ideas. If we can develop a spell for that and get it approved, then yes. Or maybe we can develop one as a cohort, similar to how Ashariana has a bodyguard. Good description for Unholy Despoilers, by the way. thank you, and about the spell, that would be greatly appreciated
Demonfey 11-09-05, 12:51 PM	So, what exactly do you want this to do? Bind the demon to your shadow, or just summon one to be your bodyguard?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 01:30 PM	So, what exactly do you want this to do? Bind the demon to your shadow, or just summon one to be your bodyguard? preferably...i'd like to have my mind implanted in the demon's body ( but we, yes, WE would both control the body equally) but instead of taking class levels, just take him up to CR 15 with added HD maybe? **EDIT** nevermind i see your point, it is munchkiness
Demonfey 11-09-05, 01:36 PM	That wouldn't work, and would be really munchkiny. The GMs would definitely shoot down any attempt to do that.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 01:58 PM	then just bind him to my shadow, i think that would work **EDIT** if not, i shall be scanning the d20 system's Book of Fiends for something suitable
Demonfey 11-09-05, 02:04 PM	Okay. That should work, if we keep the demon on a "leash". Say, 60 ft radius?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 02:17 PM	Okay. That should work, if we keep the demon on a "leash". Say, 60 ft radius? well you mean he can move more than 6o ft from me? ok i'll make up a contract for the official binding
Demonfey 11-09-05, 02:21 PM	Okay. What I meant is that the creature can only move in a 60 ft radius around you i ndependently. What I'm currently thinking: Ritual of Shadow Bonding CL: evil 5, sor/wiz 5 Casting time: 5 hours XP cost (5000, maybe) all I got right now.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 02:23 PM	Okay. What I meant is that the creature can only move in a 60 ft radius around you i ndependently. What I'm currently thinking: Ritual of Shadow Bonding CL: evil 5, sor/wiz 5 Casting time: 5 hours XP cost (5000, maybe) all I got right now. seems good
Demonfey 11-09-05, 02:42 PM	Thanks. Lets see, what else can I put in...Ah, yes. Ritual of Shadow Bonding CL: evil 7, sor/wiz 7 Casting time: 5 hours XP cost (5000, maybe) 1d4 points of damage for 10 rounds, nothing can stop the completion of the ritual (last ten rounds). V, S, M Duration (after casting): instantaneous Requirements This ritual is related to the Ritual of Bonding, used by those who want ot become Acolytes of the Skin. This spell binds the soul of an outsider into the user's shadow, and is how the original shadow demons were created. The process makes the demon into a shadow demon, and they lose all powers they had before this. This merges part of the demon's soul with the soul of the summoner, and keeps the demon within 60 feet of the caster. The demon can't leave that area, and is physically stopped as if by a wall if it tries to pass that point. The demon acts as a guead and lackey to the summoner. For purposes of controlling the demon and dealing with them via magical means, treat as summon monster spell, except 1d6 days after being dispelled/dismissed by magical means. If the demon is killed/destroyed, the summoner takes 10d6 damage, from such a strong connection. Requirements: requires finding a willing demon, making peaceful contact, and making a contract with it beforehand. Material component: 10 souls (like the soul larvae in the BoVD)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 02:56 PM	1) Shadow will NOT harm Priest or his allies in any way, shape or form 2) Shadow will follow direct orders from Priest only 3) Shadow will protect Priest and his allies 4) Shadow will be rewarded for service
Demonfey 11-09-05, 02:57 PM	That's what the souls are for.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 02:58 PM	Thanks. Lets see, what else can I put in...Ah, yes. Ritual of Shadow Bonding CL: evil 5, sor/wiz 5 Casting time: 5 hours XP cost (5000, maybe) 1d4 points of damage for 10 rounds, nothing can stop the completion of the ritual (last ten rounds). V, S, M Duration (after casting): instantaneous Requirements This ritual is related to the Ritual of Bonding, used by those who want ot become Acolytes of the Skin. This spell binds the soul of an outsider into the user's shadow, and is how the original shadow demons were created. The process makes the demon into a shadow demon, and they lose all powers they had before this. This merges part of the demon's soul with the soul of the summoner, and keeps the demon within 60 feet of the caster. The demon can't leave that area, and is physically stopped as if by a wall if it tries to pass that point. The demon acts as a guead and lackey to the summoner. For purposes of controlling the demon and dealing with them via magical means, treat as summon monster spell, except 1d6 days after being dispelled/dismissed by magical means. If the demon is killed/destroyed, the summoner takes 10d6 damage, from such a strong connection. Requirements: requires finding a willing demon, making peaceful contact, and making a contract with it beforehand. Material component: 10 souls (like the soul larvae in the BoVD) Priest comes back into the room, followed closely by a quasit demon: " He is ready to receive the transformation"
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 03:02 PM	can i have Dyrzakis cast "Mark of the Messiah on Priest IF he remains a non-combatant? it would be kinda sweet having only the demon act on his behalf while he remains immune to attacks, basically only able to perform normal actions, but still a commanding presense.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 03:05 PM	I don't even know what that is (or who you're referring to as the caster). The result is a standard shadow demon, just to make things balanced a bit (like a ritual in savage species, a species turning into another species goes with standard HD). Also, you have to just wait for the spell to be approved.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 03:33 PM	I don't even know what that is (or who you're referring to as the caster). The result is a standard shadow demon, just to make things balanced a bit (like a ritual in savage species, a species turning into another species goes with standard HD). Also, you have to just wait for the spell to be approved. Dyrzakis, the demigod manipulating Priest ( i want him to cast MotM on Priest to basically make it so he cant be killed,forcing the demon to act on his behalf) but i will make it so Priest is unable to fight or he loses the ability *the actual casting/effects of the spell will be unknown to Priest, since he does not worship Dyrzakis, but is controlled by him* read the spell description in his stats on my guild page
The Kobold Hero 11-09-05, 04:01 PM	You see a black scaled kobold sorcerer wearing red battle robes enter the guild. He seems to be right at home in the imposing enviroment, and approaches the nearest member. "What must I do to appease the guild? For I am here to serve. . ." Varek Varek usually is seen wearing red battle robes, with a black leather chest piece. These robes were a parting gife from his mother and he values them greatly. Gender: Male Race: Half-Black Dragon Half-Kobold Class: Fighter 1/Sorcerer 3 Alignment: Lawful Evil Height: 3' 4" Weight: 38 lb Skin: Black Eyes: Red Strength 18 (+4) Dexterity 20 (+5) Constitution 17 (+3) Intelligence 14 (+2) Wisdom 12 (+1) Charisma 20 (+5) Total Hit Points: 39 Speed: 30 feet Armor Class: 21 = 10 +5 [dexterity] +1 [small] +4 [half-dragon] +1 [kobold] Touch AC: 16 Flat-footed: 16 Initiative modifier: +5 = +5 [dexterity] Fortitude save: +6 = 3 [base] +3 [constitution] Reflex save: +6 = 1 [base] +5 [dexterity] Will save: +4 = 3 [base] +1 [wisdom] Attack (handheld): +7 = 2 [base] +4 [strength] +1 [small] Attack (unarmed): +7 = 2 [base] +4 [strength] +1 [small] Attack (missile): +8 = 2 [base] +5 [dexterity] +1 [small] Grapple check: +2 = 2 [base] +4 [strength] -4 [small] Languages: Common, Draconic, Abissal, Undercommon. No familiar yet Feats: Combat Casting, Two-Weapon Fighting Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Two Bladed Sword Skills: Appraise 2 Balance 5 Bluff 5 Climb 11 Concentration 10 Diplomacy 5 Disguise 5 Escape Artist 5 Forgery 2 Gather Information 5 Heal 1 Hide 9 Intimidate 12 Jump 4 Listen 1 Move Silently 5 Ride 5 Search 4 Sense Motive 1 Spellcraft 9 Spot 1 Survival 1 Swim 4 Use Rope 5 Sorcerer Cantips: Detect Magic Mage hand Mending Read Magic Resistance First-level Sorcerer spells: Identify Mage Armor Magic Missle Equipment: Backpack, Bolts (40), Caltrops, Flint and steel, Parchment, Sealing wax, Signet ring, Spell component pouch, Scroll case, Whetstone, Two-bladed Sword, Composite Shortbow.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 04:55 PM	Priest approaches the young kobold, brushing aside one of the hanging chains as he moves, causing a bound trumpet archon to writhe and scream in pain above him: "I wonder, young one, how its is you came across this place, and why you are here...."
Wilds 11-09-05, 05:11 PM	"I smell something else..." Looking around he sees the new kobold. "Another one? Well at least that last one is gone, but now theres another. Reptiliean smelll.."
The Kobold Hero 11-09-05, 05:16 PM	"Let us just say that I. . . Felt a calling." (PS: Kobolds are fully mature at the age of six and he is 10. So Varek is not that young, just young enough that his mind can be corrupted easly.)
Demonfey 11-09-05, 05:34 PM	Oy. No character sheets outside the Player Character Thread 4, PLEASE.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 05:37 PM	Dyrzakis, the demigod manipulating Priest ( i want him to cast MotM on Priest to basically make it so he cant be killed,forcing the demon to act on his behalf) but i will make it so Priest is unable to fight or he loses the ability *the actual casting/effects of the spell will be unknown to Priest, since he does not worship Dyrzakis, but is controlled by him* read the spell description in his stats on my guild page NO. No demigods are getting involved with this. Nemesis tried, he was shot down. The demon thing I can see, BUT no interference from deities except through the form of spells of the appropriate level granted to divine spellcasters.
Wilds 11-09-05, 05:50 PM	@Demonfey TY on the Demigods call
Demonfey 11-09-05, 05:52 PM	Yeah, well, do you have any idea how angry the GMs would be if he did that? Remember: the only ones allowed to play at being gods are those in control. ;)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 06:24 PM	@Demonfey TY on the Demigods call ok thats fine i just thought it would be cool to have a basically comatose character who was acted upon by the demon, but please work on casting that spell for me thanks
Demonfey 11-09-05, 06:26 PM	Can't until GMs approve it. And you could cast it if it's approved as is, and you're just a normal kobold.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 06:32 PM	Can't until GMs approve it. And you could cast it if it's approved as is, and you're just a normal kobold. i guess ill be waiting
Demonfey 11-09-05, 06:34 PM	Okay. I'll let you know when the meeting is (it may just never happen, just so you know). Also, I've got notes on things you might want to do as defenses for the Unholy Defilers.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 06:36 PM	Okay. I'll let you know when the meeting is (it may just never happen, just so you know). Also, I've got notes on things you might want to do as defenses for the Unholy Defilers. whats your ideas?
Demonfey 11-09-05, 06:44 PM	The leadership rules; using Sulkyr's Cha for the GoUE because he's 15th level and a member. here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5996199) Could someone post Epic Leadership progression? I don't have it with me.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 07:03 PM	Credit to MoF for the fort (he said I could do this), will be altered to fit our needs. 5+4+6+2+3+6+1+1+1+1+1+1+6+1+1=40*20=800 feet to these areas (name, spaces, cost) basic bedroom suite*5, 5, 2,000gp Fancy bath (x4), 4, 8,000gp Fancy armory (x6), 6 , 12,000gp Fancy chapel, 2, 6,000gp Fancy kitchen (x3), 3 ,36,000gp Fancy dining area (x3), 6, 36,000gp Prison cell (x2), 1, 1,000gp Torture chamber, 1, 2400 gp Servents quarters, 1, 400gp Fancy Smithy, 1, 2,000gp Fancy Study (x4), 4, 10,000gp Combat Training Area, 1, 1,000gp barracks (x6), 6, 2,400gp Alchemical laboratory, 1, 2400 gp fancy magical laboratory, 1, 2400 gp Three floors, Second devoted to the labs, smithy, armory, study, and rooms first to dining, bathhouse, training, chapel, kitchen, dining basement: torture chamber and prison cells 124,000 gp for the total. Taking suggestions on what to add/take off Material: Outside; reinforced masonary. Inside; reinforced masonary. (135,000gp total) Total costs (before modifiers): 440,800gp 699,500 if I forgot to add those items in. Tower basic construction. maybe 60 ft diameter, four stories (280 ft), +20 for the basement, total 3 floor building.
Von Crown 11-09-05, 07:06 PM	I'd post it, but I have no idea how to do tables on this forum.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 07:19 PM	Neither do I. Whenever I see it and need to use it, I just find a post with that format and quote, copy, and paste. Also, thanks. This will help us get the entire guild fleshed out (who knows, we may be able to take on something!) Here's the code and example: ECL of Follower 1st Level Followers Traded In Recieved 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 8 7 11 8 16 9 22 10 32 11 45 12 64 13 90 14 128 15 181 16 256 17 362 18 512 19 724 20 1024
Von Crown 11-09-05, 07:32 PM	Okay, I think I get it. I'll give it a shot. Leadership Score Cohort Level Number of Followers by Level 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 25 17th 135 13 7 4 2 2 1 — — — 26 18th 160 16 8 4 2 2 1 — — — 27 18th 190 19 10 5 3 2 1 — — — 28 19th 220 22 11 6 3 2 1 — — — 29 19th 260 26 13 7 4 2 1 — — — 30 20th 300 30 15 8 4 2 1 — — — 31 20th 350 35 18 9 5 3 2 1 — — 32 21st 400 40 20 10 5 3 2 1 — — 33 21st 460 46 23 12 6 3 2 1 — — 34 22nd 520 52 26 13 6 3 2 1 — — 35 22nd 590 59 30 15 8 4 2 1 — — 36 23rd 660 66 33 17 9 5 3 2 1 — 37 23rd 740 74 37 19 10 5 3 2 1 — 38 24th 820 82 41 21 11 6 3 2 1 — 39 24th 910 91 46 23 12 6 3 2 1 — 40 25th 1000 100 50 25 13 7 4 2 1 — per +1 +½* +100** † † † † † † † † † Leadership Score: Your Leadership score equals your level plus any Charisma modifier. Outside factors can affect a character’s Leadership score, as detailed in the Leadership feat. Cohort Level: You can attract a cohort of up to this level. Regardless of your Leadership score, you can’t recruit a cohort of your level or higher. Number of Followers by Level: You can lead up to the indicated number of characters of each level. *The maximum cohort level increases by 1 for every 2 points of Leadership above 40. **The number of 1st-level followers increases by 100 for every point of Leadership above 40. †You can command one-tenth as many 2nd-level followers as 1st-level followers. You can command one-half as many 3rd-level followers as 2nd-level followers, one-half as many 4th-level followers as 3rd-level followers, and so on (round fractions up, except any fraction less than 1 rounds to 0). You can’t have a follower of higher than 20th level.
Wilds 11-09-05, 07:35 PM	So do i get those or the normal ones?
Demonfey 11-09-05, 07:38 PM	You get normal. This is for the Guild's actual army.
Wilds 11-09-05, 07:44 PM	o my bad what shoudl my cohort be? i dont know what to do with the followers. Werewolves? or have a ton of scouts and rangers and a few werewolves?
Blasphemous Revenant 11-09-05, 07:46 PM	Since Werewolves have an LA +3, you could have some werewolves, but the lower-level followers would probably have to be something else.
Wilds 11-09-05, 07:52 PM	not only LA + 3 but also 2 racial HD, so a werewolf by its seld is ECL 5
Demonfey 11-09-05, 07:56 PM	Thanks, Von Crown. Let's see...our current leadership ability is 14+1(Sulkyr)+1(Ashariana)+1(Revenant's a member, have to update that)+1(Kobold Hero was absorbed into the guild from the alteration of the kobold marines, which were supposed to be a part of this place, into the GoUE)=18 Guild Leadership is currently 18 total. If Thasis were in control still, 20. Go with rangers and druids, higher up followers being werewolves/other lycanthropes. Remember that every druid can have an animal companion. Here's our "army" at the moment 1: 35 2: 3 3: 1 4: 1 So: 10 human clerics, 10 orc barbarians, 15 Vashar warlocks 3 human monks 1 elven wizard 1 goliath barbarian
Blasphemous Revenant 11-09-05, 08:20 PM	Thanks, Von Crown. Let's see...our current leadership ability is 14+1(Sulkyr)+1(Ashariana)+1(Revenant's a member, have to update that)+1(Kobold Hero was absorbed into the guild from the alteration of the kobold marines, which were supposed to be a part of this place, into the GoUE)=18 Guild Leadership is currently 18 total. If Thasis were in control still, 20. Go with rangers and druids, higher up followers being werewolves/other lycanthropes. Remember that every druid can have an animal companion. Those seem like awful low scores for an entire guild. On the same note, I can't decide between Undead Leadership and regular Leadership. Most of my followers and cohort will be undead, but I'm thinking on making my highest-level followers be Death's Chosens.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 08:29 PM	Well, you have to understand that I'm not using those who haven't posted in the last couple months, or have actually left. We need more members and some temples and power centers.
Blasphemous Revenant 11-09-05, 08:46 PM	I could probably hold a stronghold or two to get some territory for the guild. But, I might need upkeep to cover expenses and the like (maybe in resources, or just gold). I'm going to have some number of minions to provide a sizable force, including leadership, rebuke undead, animate dead, and constructs.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 08:48 PM	You see how big our force is. What we need are the temples most. They'd be fitting, don't you think?
Blasphemous Revenant 11-09-05, 08:52 PM	You see how big our force is. What we need are the temples most. They'd be fitting, don't you think? I was thinking on making Power Centers for the GoUE and saving the Temples for the Temple of the Damned (they are my main guild, afterall). But, yes, they are fitting for this guild as well. Perhaps we should divide up territory between the GoUE and the Temple of the Damned? Then we could go about and hold/develop our lands, without stepping on each other's toes.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 09:02 PM	That was actually part of what I wanted to do with the meeting. First, we should decide where our bases are (and that includes where they are located). The temple can be located in Tyranor. We'll probably take the Horchound Jungle, maybe an extension into the Burning Marches. I'll ask Jagggar if that is okay. For the Unholy Despoilers, maybe an outpost on Thalingrad Island?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 09:29 PM	does anyone mind if i just use Nemesis's character since mine isnt statted yet? and since all his things were given to me? ill just bind the shadow demon to his kobold
Demonfey 11-09-05, 09:33 PM	Go ahead, although I'd keep the shadow demon part for when you have your own character started.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 09:37 PM	Go ahead, although I'd keep the shadow demon part for when you have your own character started. ok then, i removed the "wings" that he thought he had, which being small, he didnt..but oh well. posted.
The Kobold Hero 11-09-05, 10:26 PM	So there will be two Kobolds now? Huh. . . What kind of character is he?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-09-05, 10:27 PM	shall we do this?
The Kobold Hero 11-09-05, 10:54 PM	Yes. I belive we shall.
Demonfey 11-09-05, 10:56 PM	No one should begin the fight until we can get a GM watching. There have been issues in the past with it.
Wilds 11-10-05, 12:01 AM	Im gana start making the scouts. Low level first then to higher. Demonfey: Should they all be scouters of some sort or have some fighters too? Ok question i have been pondering for a while. Can my followers have actual class levels or are they all npc levels?
Demonfey 11-10-05, 12:06 AM	Well, since rangers are both, that would cover it, really.
Wilds 11-10-05, 12:08 AM	do we use a set stat chart to pull stats off of or do we roll for all as a group
Demonfey 11-10-05, 12:11 AM	Whichever you prefer. I'd reccomend using the standard NPCs given in the DMG for stats.
Von Crown 11-10-05, 12:38 AM	Though you could always swap out a few feats to suit your purposes.
Demonfey 11-10-05, 12:38 AM	True.
Wilds 11-10-05, 12:45 AM	Yep they are going for stealth as of now at lev 1, the fewer numbers at higher levels will most likely mean more specialized
Wilds 11-10-05, 01:24 AM	"The packs scouts have been gathered and are assembled." Here they are. In an Sblock (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7595377&postcount=75) IF u see anything wrong tell me, so i can change it and what to do with the rest of the gold
Demonfey 11-10-05, 01:30 AM	I'm okay with them. Ah, thank you for summoning your pack. I'm sure they will each be an incredible asset to us. You are currently our main force.
Wilds 11-10-05, 01:54 AM	"O, well they can hold their own for a short time. But will need actual forces to replace them so that significant losses arent taken."
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-10-05, 03:42 PM	Priest moves almost fluidly as he take his place beside Hero and DF, " well, let us get approval and then get our plans underway"
Demonfey 11-10-05, 03:51 PM	"O, well they can hold their own for a short time. But will need actual forces to replace them so that significant losses arent taken." And our targets only have about the same sized force as I was able to scrounge up myself, if not fewer. Also, do you have a second in command yet?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-10-05, 03:52 PM	DF, what should i do, being one of your generals and all...?
Demonfey 11-10-05, 03:54 PM	Get your guild an army and have it lay claim to a district. I'll mention what I have targeted as acquisitions in a PM. Your guild's function, until we get a strong power base so that we have more minions to spread around. Define what exactly you want to be your functionin the guild, such as being in charge of divine casters, too.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-10-05, 04:27 PM	Get your guild an army and have it lay claim to a district. I'll mention what I have targeted as acquisitions in a PM. Your guild's function, until we get a strong power base so that we have more minions to spread around. Define what exactly you want to be your functionin the guild, such as being in charge of divine casters, too. My guild shall provide backup support for the GoUE, but i have a question, would i use the same leadership from the GoUE (18)? or would i add myself to it also---if i do that what will it become?
Demonfey 11-10-05, 04:44 PM	On second thought, you get to control the GoUE NPC army, unless, say, Alek Knell (whose character would have a past of combat, being an ex paladin), or anyone else whose character would be better suited to commanding armies, returns. At that point, you get to decide what you want to happen with what you are charged with (say, the holy magic division, or a second combat division). In the mean time, you control the GoUE soldiers that aren't brought in by other people.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-10-05, 04:58 PM	On second thought, you get to control the GoUE NPC army, unless, say, Alek Knell (whose character would have a past of combat, being an ex paladin), or anyone else whose character would be better suited to commanding armies, returns. At that point, you get to decide what you want to happen with what you are charged with (say, the holy magic division, or a second combat division). In the mean time, you control the GoUE soldiers that aren't brought in by other people. well what are they?
Demonfey 11-10-05, 05:19 PM	Besides small in number, this: 1: 35 2: 3 3: 1 4: 1 total 40. Do you want me to make them, or would you prefer to make that which you will command? Also, the only reason Wilds has more people than you is because he brought his own scouts. :D
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-10-05, 05:22 PM	Besides small in number, this: 1: 35 2: 3 3: 1 4: 1 total 40. Do you want me to make them, or would you prefer to make that which you will command? Also, the only reason Wilds has more people than you is because he brought his own scouts. :D thats fine if you would prefer to make them, go ahead, what race(s)/class(es) will you use?
Demonfey 11-10-05, 05:32 PM	So: 10 human clerics, 10 orc barbarians, 15 Vashar warlocks 3 human monks 1 elven wizard 1 goliath barbarian
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-10-05, 05:36 PM	So: 10 human clerics, 10 orc barbarians, 15 Vashar warlocks 3 human monks 1 elven wizard 1 goliath barbarian *EDITED* sorry DF
Demonfey 11-10-05, 05:45 PM	No. And for the last time, THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED. If it's not approved, then IT CAN'T OCCUR. GM's get to say what is allowed and what isn't. So stop asking about it until we get things approved and ready to go. It's annoying.
Wilds 11-10-05, 06:44 PM	"My second is on the way. The pack took some convicing too allow her to leave its territory." Basically I havent made the cohort yet. So what would be best? Cleric of Malar? Ranger? Scout? any others
Demonfey 11-10-05, 06:48 PM	Druid/master of many forms would work.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-10-05, 07:00 PM	Orcy doesn't know what has gone on since he last posted... but he'd like to know what the last thing adressed to him was...
Demonfey 11-10-05, 07:05 PM	Asking about that thing that made incorporeal things corporeal, I believe. And maybe construction of the guild house itself.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-11-05, 01:31 AM	i have a request for you in the Merchant Guild
Demonfey 11-11-05, 01:33 AM	He'll notice.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-11-05, 02:08 AM	alright,sorry
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-11-05, 09:31 AM	"Well that little beauty that I installed at the Temple of the Damned will run you probably... 100,000gp for a roughly fifty five foot radius from the location I place it. Not a bad price considering how much it would cost if you had it done elsewhere. Other object would cost you more of course, but it really depends on what you want exactly." Glenn smiles and leans against a nearby wall, crossing his arms over his chest and watching the creatures that lurk around the halls of the GoUE.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-11-05, 12:10 PM	"Well that little beauty that I installed at the Temple of the Damned will run you probably... 100,000gp for a roughly fifty five foot radius from the location I place it. Not a bad price considering how much it would cost if you had it done elsewhere. Other object would cost you more of course, but it really depends on what you want exactly." Glenn smiles and leans against a nearby wall, crossing his arms over his chest and watching the creatures that lurk around the halls of the GoUE. do you mean the demonflesh golem?
Demonfey 11-11-05, 03:01 PM	"Well that little beauty that I installed at the Temple of the Damned will run you probably... 100,000gp for a roughly fifty five foot radius from the location I place it. Not a bad price considering how much it would cost if you had it done elsewhere. Other object would cost you more of course, but it really depends on what you want exactly." Glenn smiles and leans against a nearby wall, crossing his arms over his chest and watching the creatures that lurk around the halls of the GoUE. Hm. Well, how much would rennovating the entire guild cost? I'm thinking tower, with three stories total, built out of reinforced masonry. I can get the basic notes for you if you are interested in some construction. After hearing a price, I'll be able to give you an answer about that amazing thing you made at the Temple. Sound good?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-12-05, 04:05 PM	Hm. Well, how much would rennovating the entire guild cost? I'm thinking tower, with three stories total, built out of reinforced masonry. I can get the basic notes for you if you are interested in some construction. After hearing a price, I'll be able to give you an answer about that amazing thing you made at the Temple. Sound good? "Well, I can't give you a real set price until I know what you want to do to the place. I can tell you it will probably be significantly less than what you would normally pay, even more so when it comes to the magical. So... it depends on what exactly you'd want."
Demonfey 11-12-05, 04:07 PM	Let me just dig out my notes...Ah, here they are. Unfortunately, I don't have any blueprints. Credit to MoF for the fort (he said I could do this), will be altered to fit our needs. 5+4+6+2+3+6+1+1+1+1+1+1+6+1+1=40*20=800 feet to these areas (name, spaces, cost) basic bedroom suite*5, 5, 2,000gp Fancy bath (x4), 4, 8,000gp Fancy armory (x6), 6 , 12,000gp Fancy chapel, 2, 6,000gp Fancy kitchen (x3), 3 ,36,000gp Fancy dining area (x3), 6, 36,000gp Prison cell (x2), 1, 1,000gp Torture chamber, 1, 2400 gp Servents quarters, 1, 400gp Fancy Smithy, 1, 2,000gp Fancy Study (x4), 4, 10,000gp Combat Training Area, 1, 1,000gp barracks (x6), 6, 2,400gp Alchemical laboratory, 1, 2400 gp fancy magical laboratory, 1, 2400 gp Three floors, Second devoted to the labs, smithy, armory, study, and rooms first to dining, bathhouse, training, chapel, kitchen, dining basement: torture chamber and prison cells 124,000 gp for the total. Taking suggestions on what to add/take off Material: Outside; reinforced masonary. Inside; reinforced masonary. (135,000gp total) Total costs (before modifiers): 440,800gp Stronghold Spaces: 30*10=300 by 300 feet
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-12-05, 10:59 PM	whats the price on that 17 HD Slaymaster, and the 2 15 HD Impalers?
Demonfey 11-14-05, 07:19 PM	Actually, hearing about your plan for a store has given me an idea. How big of a creature would you say is necessary to hold a guild in or on it, Glenn?
The Kobold Hero 11-14-05, 07:24 PM	Hmmm. . . I don't really know. Question: Could I be the arcane spellcasting instructor? If you like the idea, I dibs the fancy study!
Demonfey 11-14-05, 07:26 PM	Not even sure what's staying and what's not at the moment.
thasis 11-15-05, 02:49 PM	Holy... looks like I was a little more liked then I though. I wish I could stay so bad. Oh my, and the work that is being acomplished. Very nice. I'm extremly impressed. I'm glad that you guys can continue up the guild after my disapearance. I frankly thought it would die and people would all move to the Temple of the Dammned. Unfournetly I'm not posting this cause I can come back. The truth of the matter is that I merely am in a computers course right now and I managed to sneak some time on the message boards. When I can I will check in and maybe post, but I can't promise anything. Thasis
Demonfey 11-15-05, 02:51 PM	Okay, Thasis. Hope you get many, many chances to do so.
thasis 11-15-05, 03:07 PM	I'll see what I can do. If you want me to work on something that might take a long time I can do that, say I'm doing it for private reasons, put it on a disk, and then copy it from the disk and paste in on the forums. Good way of doing things. I don't think I'll be doing any more in-game posts though since I can't realy respond in time.
Demonfey 11-15-05, 03:11 PM	Don't worry about anything like projects. I can probably handle most of them on my own, such as a new plan to make the guild in/on a colossal effigy/other construct.
thasis 11-15-05, 03:15 PM	Oh my, Matt likes the idea. I likes it alot. To bad Thasis the Evil isn't here to see the work done. Mmm... I guess I'll just possibly design new spells and monsters and post them, I've been feeling paticularly creative lately.
Demonfey 11-15-05, 03:21 PM	Sounds great to me. Just post them here, and I'll make sure that they end up getting into the material approval thread at some point (probably each ten put into one post).
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-15-05, 03:24 PM	Don't worry about anything like projects. I can probably handle most of them on my own, such as a new plan to make the guild in/on a colossal effigy/other construct. Speaking of which, Orcy will get back to you about any of this stuff, just PM him exactly what you want Glenn to build and Orcy is sure he can have it done. Also keep in mind that Glenn accepts magical items as payment (worth 75% of their original value of the item off your bill). Orcy will get to it as soon as he finishes with Sargatanas' guild house and... other orders.
Demonfey 11-15-05, 03:25 PM	Currently, I just want to know if it should be colossal or colossal+.
thasis 11-15-05, 03:26 PM	Well all of my creations are pretty much evil. I think I might have designed one good creature in alllllllll of my numereos creations over the years. I have sooooo many ideas, and quiet a few monsters on my hardrive. I jus need to get the formating tags on them and they'll be all good.
Demonfey 11-15-05, 03:27 PM	*Burns style* Excellent.
thasis 11-15-05, 03:29 PM	I'm also did Phyrexian Conversions (see my sig) in case your intressted. I'll send them to the approval thread probally on thursday (which is when I should be on next).
Demonfey 11-15-05, 03:31 PM	Sounds good to me.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-15-05, 03:35 PM	I'm also did Phyrexian Conversions (see my sig) in case your intressted. I'll send them to the approval thread probally on thursday (which is when I should be on next). great, i shall await your triuphant return
thasis 11-15-05, 03:37 PM	Oi, I decieded that I don't need to start the newst project in Computers (won't take me that long to complete) so I got around to sending the Phyrexians in. I have some more on the works to so I'll see what I can do.
Demonfey 11-15-05, 03:40 PM	Do whatever you feel like, Thasis.
Von Crown 11-15-05, 09:45 PM	BEHOLD! http://home.comcast.net/~n.sattler/ IT IS BORN! This site is for an audio drama thing (with Mordred) I've been working on with a friend of mine for a while now. I finally got a site up for it, even if it isn't much to look at yet. Expect further updates, of course, as well as extra stuff. Unless plans change, there will probably eventually be game-rule related extras as well (just don't expect the to be too serious) [/shamelessplug]
Dyne 11-15-05, 09:50 PM	Very cool, Von Crown.
Von Crown 11-15-05, 09:51 PM	Thanks. I've got the next three scenes to upload yet, and part of the fourth.
Dyne 11-15-05, 10:11 PM	It's kinda hard to understand sometimes, though (especially Shorteus). Maybe if there were a script or something people could follow along with....
Von Crown 11-15-05, 10:18 PM	I doplan onputting the scripts up, but first I needa typed up copy. My friend (the voice actor for Shorteus) has the scripts right now. I'm just putting a few fnishing touches on Scene three now, so it'll be up soon. Of course, don't expect such speedy updates in the future. It usually takes us about a week or two to get one together. Aside from scripts, anyone have suggestions for the site?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-15-05, 10:38 PM	i commend you on the EXCELLENT work, it was funny, and i admire your achievements
Von Crown 11-15-05, 10:38 PM	Thanks. 3 is up. That's all I've had done, 4 is in the works. Exclusive Preview (http://home.comcast.net/~n.sattler/SC4EXERPT.mp3) EDIT: Feel free to come up with quotey things I could put up (y'know, like the kind they put in movie adds and such)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-15-05, 10:50 PM	This product was nominated "Best Maniacal Laugh" by your friendly neighborhood gnome slayers, and short-person sacrificers: Priest, and his faithful beast, Savant. haha
Von Crown 11-15-05, 11:01 PM	And yes, there will eventually be game statistics for Shorteus.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 01:22 PM	Ever just begin concocting plans and been unable to stop?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-16-05, 01:28 PM	Ever just begin concocting plans and been unable to stop? *Looks up from his lists of prices, defenses, magics, and other assorted things* Yes
The Kobold Hero 11-16-05, 01:31 PM	Ever just begin concocting plans and been unable to stop? Indeed I have.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 01:41 PM	So far, this is what I have: Colossal/colossal+ dragon effigy (probably pyroclastic, due to more movement types, namely burrowing and climbing), which should come to something between 100,000 and 200,000 if I did the calculation correctly. After upcoming fight, retire Sulkyr, since he seems to not be going anywhere, and make someone new. canoloth "pet(s)" dragon cohort, maybe? Might Makes Right and Leadership, if both cha and str are high siege crab and kraken effigies for naval force keep drakestone golems get large, intimidating steed (dragon cohort) if applicable at creation, draconic familiar feat. Dracotaurs? maybe some stuff from Libris Mortis & Lords of Madness... On the topic of the guild: catwalks inside, to allow easy bottlenecking of enemies from outside that are land bound arching platform inside mouth for casters to stand on. wand turrets on said platform, namely fireball, lightning bolt, and disintegrate. Few other kinds will be there, scattered about. shoulders with gyroscopic compartments for archers/mages to shoot from main rooms built either along the belly/the roof of the inside, if possible magical lair defenses built into things like the eyes.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-16-05, 01:58 PM	So far, this is what I have: Colossal/colossal+ dragon effigy (probably pyroclastic, due to more movement types, namely burrowing and climbing), which should come to something between 100,000 and 200,000 if I did the calculation correctly. After upcoming fight, retire Sulkyr, since he seems to not be going anywhere, and make someone new. canoloth "pet(s)" dragon cohort, maybe? Might Makes Right and Leadership, if both cha and str are high siege crab and kraken effigies for naval force keep drakestone golems get large, intimidating steed (dragon cohort) if applicable at creation, draconic familiar feat. Dracotaurs? maybe some stuff from Libris Mortis & Lords of Madness... If Orcy may make a suggestion. The Sea Drake from the Fiend Folio is also a very nice creature to have for a naval force (what with it's abilities to destroy ships).
Demonfey 11-16-05, 02:01 PM	I know. I'm still deciding dragon eel, styx dragon, or sea drake for the naval base, though.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-16-05, 03:32 PM	Ever just begin concocting plans and been unable to stop? yes, as a matter of fact, i have an idea... but i would need to review the Shadow Seed first, but cannot find info for it,....damn
Wilds 11-16-05, 05:03 PM	If by concocting plans u mean that i think about dnd and other games constantly and plan stuff all through class then yes
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:05 PM	I meant like defenses, methods of attack, things like that. Like the list I have above for the guild
Wilds 11-16-05, 05:07 PM	Ooo, I general just favor overwhelming force or destruction. So most of my plans come down to a lot of fire and explosive. Which are not tactically sound 80% of the time
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:12 PM	Actually, so do many of mine. One of my contingiencies for the guild being in over its head will involve both... I call it contingency 777 and 666.
Wilds 11-16-05, 05:14 PM	Sweet lol that is what my SBB char is based around. Just blowing stuff up and burning stuff. I can develop plans for a contigency if u can give me a starting point
Von Crown 11-16-05, 05:16 PM	I do often pull together elaborate plans, but it's generally something smaller. Like the staff I'm presently working on.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:21 PM	Since I named them, I might as well say what they will be: 777: in the event of the effigy fort going down due to damage, all GoUE members and surviving followers will be teleported to the Despoilers, except for the leader, which will be explained in the next bit. 666: explosives will be teleported/made with major creation to fill all available spaces except for the effigy control room, where the leader will then pilot the effigy into the most strategically devastating spot that he can against his enemies, kamikaze style, with any invaders on board going with him, with the impact causing sparks in the effigy and causing the entire thing to blow sky high. Going down with the ship, and all that.
Wilds 11-16-05, 05:22 PM	weapons and items have never applied to me. everything i would want to do with them either costs too much to be fiesable. Or would require way to computing of Ad Hoc prices and stuff
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:28 PM	Tell us a few of those ideas, then.
Von Crown 11-16-05, 05:29 PM	Well, expensive isn't much of a barrier for me so that may have something to do with it Also, on Contingency 666- Why not have someone who'd be able to survive it going up pilot it, then teleport back? If someone able to survive it is feasible, of course.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:31 PM	It's also kind of a punishment, because they managed to lose against an enemy when they were piloting a colossal dragon which by the time I'm done with it may have trouble taking off due to the weight of all the weapons. Also, on survival, we're talking about every nook, cranny, and crevice in a dragon efifgy of that size be filled to its maximum holding space and put on a collision course with the most enemy crippling thing that can be spotted. That'd probably be a payload of at least a couple tons behind them right there.
Wilds 11-16-05, 05:35 PM	teleporting the dragon? or flying it into back of enemy army
Von Crown 11-16-05, 05:45 PM	What if they became Ethereal a moment before impact, or other such thing? Regardless of how many explosives are used, there is a way to suvive it. It just isn't always something that can be utilized in a given environment (the restrictive factor here being ECL15, for example). I see the punishment point, though. This'll be pricey. Eerily enough, Mordred also has a similar project at the moment... Not somassive, though. Or dragon-shaped.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:45 PM	More like flying it into the opposing army. What's going to go into the dragon is gunpowder. Lots and lots of gunpowder.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:47 PM	What if they became Ethereal a moment before impact, or other such thing? Regardless of how many explosives are used, there is a way to suvive it. It just isn't always something that can be utilized in a given environment (the restrictive factor here being ECL15, for example). I see the punishment point, though. This'll be pricey. Eerily enough, Mordred also has a similar project at the moment... Not somassive, though. Or dragon-shaped. I'm just saying, you're losing the fight, retreating with the guild isn't possible, you're about to be destroyed...at that point, you think "why not?" and just try and take as many with you that you can.
Wilds 11-16-05, 05:48 PM	So basically getting a HUGE effigy made, filling it with gunpowder and other fun explosives. Then flying it straight into the enemy army? That definatly needs a guy with tele otherwise we are gana run out of people really fast. Better yet, contigency tele. that way when the thing explodes the pilot will still be on it, therefor ensuring the other side doesnt gain control of it
Demonfey 11-16-05, 05:53 PM	That's only if they are bound to lose with the effigy. Not before, not after, but when defeat has become inevitable on the field and fleeing isn't an option.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-16-05, 05:57 PM	Just so you know... Orcy doubts there is something with few enough hit dice for Glenn to craft that is colossal. However, Glenn CAN create a flying keep or something of the sort through a 'ritual' spell from something Orcy has called Relics and Rituals (raise the Keep is the name Orcy believes). Of course, if you want the dragon fort, Orcy can make a Gargantuan Wyvern... not sure about colossal however.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 06:59 PM	That's why I was asking how large you think a dragon would have to be to either support a guild on it or have a guild based inside of it. Also, if Glenn is unable to build the effigy, there are NPC means to acquire it. If you can make something big enough to hold a guild, that'd be great, of course. On making a floating castle...no. It gets done too often.
The Kobold Hero 11-16-05, 07:30 PM	That's why I was asking how large you think a dragon would have to be to either support a guild on it or have a guild based inside of it. Also, if Glenn is unable to build the effigy, there are NPC means to acquire it. If you can make something big enough to hold a guild, that'd be great, of course. On making a floating castle...no. It gets done too often. As for a base, why not have it deep within some remote mountin range? Or in a abandond chapel that was compleatly remodeled? There is so many options out there.
The Kobold Hero 11-16-05, 07:31 PM	That's why I was asking how large you think a dragon would have to be to either support a guild on it or have a guild based inside of it. Also, if Glenn is unable to build the effigy, there are NPC means to acquire it. If you can make something big enough to hold a guild, that'd be great, of course. On making a floating castle...no. It gets done too often. As for a base, why not have it deep within some remote mountin range? Or in a abandond chapel that is completly remodeled for our needs? There is so many options out there.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 07:34 PM	Because this way, we have a guild that can go on a godzilla style ramage. :D
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-16-05, 07:35 PM	If you didn't want to put it all in one Effigy, you could perhaps... place the guild in multiple effigies. Parts of it built in different locations with linked circles of teleportation to travel between the sections... just an idea.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 07:38 PM	That could work. But what size do you think it would take to house a guild? Also, just because I'm a fan of the older Godzilla movies, can we get one half gold pyrohydra effigy?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-16-05, 07:45 PM	That could work. But what size do you think it would take to house a guild? Also, just because I'm a fan of the older Godzilla movies, can we get one half gold pyrohydra effigy? Orcy isn't sure what size a guild would require. A gargantuan creautre is roughly 64ft, so possibly colossal to house an entire guild. Though if Orcy were to make gargantuan creatures there could be like... a Wyvern, a Purple Worm... etc. Also, you should know that even if Orcy did make a Pyrohydra it wouldn't have firebreath.
Demonfey 11-16-05, 07:46 PM	Forgot about that for a minute. Then a half gold, 3 headed hydra?
Mid-Boss 11-16-05, 07:46 PM	(Back in the Guildhall [or whatever the hell it is now]) A second Vincent enters through the main doors (or whatever the hell they are now [I would kill, by the way, to meet the guy who can find an invention that will replace the almighty door]). Dah, dah dah. . .blah, blah blah. Unduely long description. . .blah. He stands over the other Vincent sitting in a chair. He raises his hand. . .long story, er description short, the sitting Vincent (and also Anton) disintigrate. Vincent then removes a dusting pan and a broom from his suit pocket and brushes the ashes into the pan, emptying them into his pocket. He then greets those new to the guild who are still in the hall (if nobody's there, then I'm greeting the god damn darkness), then he heads back the way he came. Due to a certain . . .er. . .stellar menace, I have been absent from the guild for a while. And I doubt I will be posting anytime soon when I look at my schedule (found Collage, start new breeding program, write out scripts, run said scripts through a translator into Japanese, then back to english again, conquer Ebberon [economicaly of course], etc.]. I really only posted because it made me feel odd leaving an empty vessal (NOT the Ebberon humanoid. . .and that's why I'm trying to come up with a new name for my messangers) in the guildhall for so long. Oh, and if my grammer and spelling are a little off, well then it must be becuse I'm feeling mighty unwell right now. . .so :censored: grammer and spelling. . .Okay?
Demonfey 11-16-05, 07:53 PM	Good to see you again, Vincent. We're just planning the newer fort, or maybe even fortresses.
Mid-Boss 11-16-05, 07:55 PM	I just left, but. . .nice to see you too :D
Demonfey 11-16-05, 07:57 PM	Oh. Sorry, still settling in to being a guild master and the fact that I can afford all the fun stuff with those funds.
Demonfey 11-21-05, 12:20 PM	Relisting current guild defenses: gargantuan wyvern base after finding out how much we have left after effigies, other things.
Sargatanas 11-21-05, 02:24 PM	The silent Vampiric man with pitch black eyes that usually accompanies Sargatanas appears in the doorway. He walks further into the room and looks around, his solid black eyes shifting slightly, mostly unnoticable save from the light's reflection. "Gentlemen, I am Lord Kanosic, General of the Temple's armies. I am here as a messanger from the Temple. Lord Sargatanas sends greetings and invitation. As you know, the alliances between our... organizations, will benefit us both. My Lord would like to invite you to join a council of three that will take rulership of this land. It will be composed of yourselves, the Temple, and the Stormhand Federation. Lord Sargatanas awaits your decision."
Demonfey 11-21-05, 02:26 PM	Tell him that we humbly accept. Actually, I believe I'll say so at the conference.
Sargatanas 11-21-05, 02:32 PM	Kanosic nods, turning and walking back out the doors without another word. His form shifts and blurs and then disappears as a cloud of mist floats off into the distance.
thasis 11-21-05, 05:08 PM	Just going to say that I agree with the decision of the GoUE joining the Council of Three (or w/e). And also, I might be able to get my internet back sooner then I thought (next few months or so). Untill then my posting will be limited to once a week at most. Adios!
Demonfey 11-21-05, 05:16 PM	That's great, Thasis! Good luck with getting posting ability back!
The Kobold Hero 11-21-05, 05:40 PM	Fare thee well comerade! ;)
Mid-Boss 11-21-05, 06:17 PM	Hey, uhh, wait a sec. . . is there some additions being added to the evil tower/castle/whatever the hell it is, or are we just replacing it?
Demonfey 11-21-05, 06:18 PM	I'm planning on replacing with mobile fortresses.
Mid-Boss 11-21-05, 06:34 PM	:doh: of course! Why didn't I see that coming?! Mobile Fortress Rating Creativity: :devil: Coolness: :devil: :devil: :devil: Evilness: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: Usefulness: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: Hours of fun that can be had w/ said fortress: :invasion: Cost of Mobile Fortress Price of Building Material: A LOT Price of Rations, munitions, amor, and weapons to supply army: A LOT More Price of Labor used in Construction of Said fortress: Priceless :evillaugh There are some things that money can't buy, in those cases, we use souls. For everything else, there's Visa Master card, accepted everywhere souls are damned [Hell, the Abyss, a Lawschool, etc.].
Demonfey 11-21-05, 06:37 PM	Not when the fort's an effigy gargantuan wyvern (or one of them is). It was actually paid for completely with magic items, although armaments and whatnot will be done later.
Mid-Boss 11-21-05, 06:44 PM	I was comenting on Mobile fortresses in general. . .and the use of slave labor. . .but the whole "effigy Wyvren" thing would up the creativity factor to a 3 or 4. So, uh :shifty: . . .who's idea was this?
Ashariana 11-21-05, 06:49 PM	I wonder what would happen if you made two Gargantuan Wyvern effigies and built a tower between the two of them... Then you have a weird flying tower...
Mid-Boss 11-21-05, 06:55 PM	Mobile Fortresses are fun and all, but nothing beats a Fake Volcanic Island :dancin:
Demonfey 11-21-05, 07:15 PM	I was comenting on Mobile fortresses in general. . .and the use of slave labor. . .but the whole "effigy Wyvren" thing would up the creativity factor to a 3 or 4. So, uh :shifty: . . .who's idea was this? Kind of got the effigy part off Orcy when he made his shop, but before that, at the Warlock's Circle, we were toying around with a different kind of dragon ship around, and it may have been me who suggested it. @Ashariana: That might work somewhat, but then again, the two wyverns would be attached to eachother and would probably be unable to fly due to their wings getting in the other's way.
Ashariana 11-21-05, 07:34 PM	Kind of got the effigy part off Orcy when he made his shop, but before that, at the Warlock's Circle, we were toying around with a different kind of dragon ship around, and it may have been me who suggested it. @Ashariana: That might work somewhat, but then again, the two wyverns would be attached to eachother and would probably be unable to fly due to their wings getting in the other's way. I mean a tower that has a distance long enough for one to fly at the top and one at the bottom, kind of like a big rod in the center of two bats. -v- I -v-
Demonfey 11-21-05, 07:39 PM	Interesting idea. If we destroy the GoPG, I'll fund such a project with their funds. Also, do you think a mageslayer yuan ti (SR 20, +7 nat armor, has spells equal to an 8th level sorceror and has a 1/day ability called Venomous tentacles, like Evards Black Tentacles except poisoned, 8 HD, and a few powers that make it total ECL 14, but similar to a halfblood) would be a good idea?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-21-05, 08:16 PM	so where has Orcy gone to? I need to ask about my army
Wildonion 11-22-05, 07:52 PM	this where you wanted me to come Ur_Priest?
The Kobold Hero 11-22-05, 09:40 PM	Who is Orcy?
Demonfey 11-22-05, 09:47 PM	You don't know Orcy the Green Wonder? One of the last three GMs, creator and operator of the Mountaintop Arena, player of the most popularly visited character on concerns of business? Also, even though it should be against our moral code, we are making an alliance with the Order of the Giving Hand, sharing the Deeping Quarry land with them.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-22-05, 10:04 PM	welcome hero & wildonian the new domain is about to be established, will you march with the soldiers of the Outpost?
Wildonion 11-23-05, 10:05 AM	*Readies his weapons* Of course, High Priest.
The Kobold Hero 11-23-05, 11:50 AM	Indeed. I am always ready.
Wilds 11-23-05, 12:52 PM	"What use do we have of a quarry?" Fang says as he walks back into the guild. Remenants of woods stick to his body.
Master_of_Flames 11-23-05, 01:13 PM	We can build up fortresses around the continent. With so many outposts, the fools will be hard pressed to stop us. More so than they are now. La'fae said, drinking some elven wine. (no, not wine made from elves)
Wilds 11-23-05, 03:53 PM	didnt know they made wine from elves....
Von Crown 11-23-05, 04:27 PM	Just curious, why Wyvern? I'd try to find something that can get to colossal at low HD, because it mayjust be me, but gartangtuan still seems a tad small for a fortress... Anyways, I've been busy on a building of my own (not for IFGW), so if I comeupp with any ideas that would be applicable for your fortress, I'll let you know. The twobestideas I have for mine right nw would be ill-suited to a mobile fortress, though. BTW, anyone wanna check out my latest creature? I spent a couple hours typing it up yesterday, and I haven't gotten any responses yet... It's at the Blackstar Syndicate (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7818736&postcount=208)
Demonfey 11-23-05, 04:39 PM	"What use do we have of a quarry?" Fang says as he walks back into the guild. Remenants of woods stick to his body. Stone is required to build most buildings, such as guild halls and mercantile areas. By mining our own stone, we can supply ourselves with the necessary amounts needed to increase the funds of the GoUE, and become a supplier for the Temple and Stormhand Federations. The gargantuan wyvern was readily available, can fly, and when the full thing is set up so that there are multiple effigies with teleportation circles to the other effigies in them, it can serve as a central hub, maybe.
Von Crown 11-23-05, 04:50 PM	Ahh... interesting. What do you think would be the most inexpensive effigywith a decent fly speed? I'll have to check something, but I may have an idea that goes with your earlier talk of self-destruct mechanisms in effigies (i.e. we fill it with explosives ;) )
Demonfey 11-23-05, 04:56 PM	Hawks, eagles, and pseudodragon effigies would be best to send as smart missiles. They don't need to fly fast as much as be able to catch up with normal creatures.
Master_of_Flames 11-23-05, 04:58 PM	and perhaps sending half-fiend goblin effigies as dumb bombs?
Demonfey 11-23-05, 04:59 PM	No, rats, wolves, and lion effigies for that. Torpedos would be eels, sharks, and barracuda.
Von Crown 11-23-05, 05:06 PM	I see you all caught on well. I could also see cheetahs as making good explosives too. Better yet, add a template to give 'em a fly speed.
Demonfey 11-23-05, 05:18 PM	That sounds like a good idea, although I want something a little more inconspicuous.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-23-05, 05:52 PM	@Orcy can you get back to me ASAP? @ Hero & Wildonian: Ready yourselves for war. soon we march on"
The Kobold Hero 11-23-05, 05:57 PM	"Vary well. What would you have your sorcerer do?" PS: With all of the indicision on what out fortress looks like, why not find a referance? I would be happy to supply links to differant picture that could be used as a base, such as THIS (http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/326/f/4/_lost_castle__by_noah_kh.jpg) A dark brooding fortress perched upon a cliff overlooking the great sea. Undead dragons constantly patrol the dark sky, and artifacts of unimaginable power are stored in the castles highest tower. Contained within the structure are liberarys filled with magical books, dungeons and prisions, guard towers, a great hall, and a magical study in one of the towers that serves as my home.
Demonfey 11-23-05, 06:11 PM	@Orcy can you get back to me ASAP? @ Hero & Wildonian: Ready yourselves for war. soon we march on" He won't be on today. He's driving home for the weekend. Also, you actually have to list out what you want (say, 50 impalers, 100 adults) before he can do anything. @Kobold Hero. Well, I would have MY sorceror begin stocking up on wands. You have a 50,000 gold budget for right now from the GoUE. Get some that are devastating against large groups.
The Kobold Hero 11-23-05, 06:15 PM	Okay. I'll be sure to do that. UPDATE: see my above post. You''l fine that it has been updated. ANOTHER UPDATE: Would a ton of fireball wands be enough? From what i've read good based creatures don't often have fire resistence.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-23-05, 06:27 PM	@ DF: as many Kythons ( Slaymasters/Impalers as possible + the Great Wyrm Black Dragon(guild/transport) + possibly some half-dragon outsiders as possible on an 800,000-850,000 gp budget) @ Hero...see about developing a way to bind outsiders to mortals.
The Kobold Hero 11-23-05, 06:31 PM	I'm on it. Would Geas (6th level sorcerer/wizard spell) work?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-23-05, 06:36 PM	to bind outsiders with mortals? i dont know...interesting idea though, mentally force them to do it...
The Kobold Hero 11-23-05, 06:38 PM	Then there is always the ole Greater Planar Binding (8th level sorcerer/wizard spell.) PS: i was able to get 6 fireball wands for 40500 gp
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-23-05, 06:42 PM	@ Hero: nice work on the wand, stock up 4 the battle & i mean bind the outsiders INTO the mortal not just bind them to serve (kind of like making the outsider leave its corporeal body & possess the mortal, granting it some enhancements/abilities & make it permanent)
The Kobold Hero 11-23-05, 06:52 PM	Hmm. . . that will take a bit more research. hang on.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-23-05, 07:08 PM	will do friend good luck
Demonfey 11-23-05, 09:32 PM	Okay. I'll be sure to do that. UPDATE: see my above post. You''l fine that it has been updated. ANOTHER UPDATE: Would a ton of fireball wands be enough? From what i've read good based creatures don't often have fire resistence. I was hoping you'd say that. They'll do just fine. Also, Magic Missile (for specific targets), disintegration for hopeful instant kills, and lightning bolts for in case they decide to protect themselves against fire.
Dyne 11-23-05, 09:36 PM	I was hoping you'd say that. They'll do just fine. Also, Magic Missile (for specific targets), disintegration for hopeful instant kills, and lightning bolts for in case they decide to protect themselves against fire. Disintegrate is too high level to be made into a wand. Works well in staffs, though.
Von Crown 11-23-05, 09:37 PM	Keep in mind that with charge-based items, you can cut the cost by increasing the charge cost. Same charge-to-gold ratio, but since it's divided among more items, you can split the charges among multiple people, in effect.
Demonfey 11-23-05, 09:38 PM	That'd work, too. Good start, Hero. That'll allow for some offensive power from inside the guild.
The Kobold Hero 11-23-05, 10:16 PM	I posted my updated character sheet in the right thread. Turns out the one that i needed was in archive! PS: my characer HAS Disintegrate. After all, he is a level 11 sorcerer.
Demonfey 11-23-05, 10:32 PM	That may be, but 50 uses just sound so fun.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-23-05, 10:54 PM	BREAKDOWN OF GUILD OFFENSE & DEFENSE: @ Hero = wands/spell backup @ DF = mobile wyvern guild / troops @ ME = effigy army (coming soon) anymore,let me know and ill edit. thanks Priest
Demonfey 11-23-05, 10:58 PM	Thanks, Priest. I'll let you know. Current GoUE purchases: demonflesh golem (260,000) wands (50,000) wyvern (store credit)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-23-05, 11:42 PM	and my 3 effigies ( total cost = 48,000 paid for by Me)
Von Crown 11-24-05, 12:07 AM	Another benefit to spreading out charges is that if you have the featthat lets you use more than one wand at a time, I think you could get more spells per round. I think that feat has something about spending more charges, though. Still, it's a setup that has benefits. I plan on testing an artificier built around that concept at some point, too.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 12:09 AM	@ VC: sounds good, keep us updated Priest
Demonfey 11-24-05, 12:10 AM	I was actually thinking multiple mages standing on an attack platform, each with their own spells and at least one wand each. Mage-caused death from above!
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 12:50 AM	great minds think alike
Wildonion 11-24-05, 11:00 AM	Any particular place you want a character sheet made?
Demonfey 11-24-05, 12:14 PM	Player Character Thread 4, and nowhere else. Please look at the front page before making a character, too. So asks your friendly Character DM
Master_of_Flames 11-24-05, 12:50 PM	what, my warforged army is supposed to guard the place? that's no fun. I want to go wipe out the GoPG once and for all, then hit the weaker, newer guilds, and finaly Ghashmal.
The Kobold Hero 11-24-05, 04:46 PM	A warforged army? We'll have to put that to use!
Master_of_Flames 11-24-05, 06:03 PM	I have nearly 100 warforged warlocks. Each one able to shoot powerful balls of eldritch energy at more than 200ft.
The Kobold Hero 11-24-05, 06:17 PM	Now you're making me feel under powered, thank-you-vary-much. :( Oh well. At least I have six wands of fire ball. And i'll probably get a staff of desintigrate.
Master_of_Flames 11-24-05, 06:21 PM	So? My men can strike from far away while your effigies move in to slaughter them. An effective tactic. My warforged army can blast through the defences of almost anyone. Ontop of that, La'fae and Li'ruak can behind floating above the ground, killing enemy characters and commanders.
The Kobold Hero 11-24-05, 06:27 PM	And thats why we are allys. We are here to fight those who oppose us. Not each-other.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 06:57 PM	as soon as Orcy gets back to me on the effigies, we shall mount an offense
Master_of_Flames 11-24-05, 07:00 PM	good.... mwahahahhahahahaha!!!!! :evillaugh
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 07:03 PM	mwahahaha....uhhhhh....now if only Orcy would come in and clarify this whole thing, we could begin....ughhh
Master_of_Flames 11-24-05, 07:50 PM	Well, how many do we have in our forces? I have 72 2nd level warforged warlocks and 4 3rd level warforged warlocks.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 08:15 PM	well, my guild lists the description of what i have so far, though when Orcy gets done with my order it shall increase more than 10 fold.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 08:32 PM	well, my guild lists the description of what i have so far, though when Orcy gets done with my order it shall increase more than 10 fold. There IS no order. You have given Orcy nothing in character. You have ordered nothing. All Orcy has been told is that you want an effigy army. You have not given a definite amount of what you want. You have not stated type or exactly what effigies you want. If Glenn is to work on an order, Orcy must know exactly what you want. Otherwise, this effigy army is just a dream.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 08:40 PM	ahhhh! how many times do i have to post it?! i told you the order OOC multiple times i need that Colossal + Black Dragon effigy for the guild & as many Slaymasters & Impalers as you can get with 950,000 ( 900,00 from me + my 50,000 loan from the GoUE) So i will have atleast 100,000 left over for further things...
Wilds 11-24-05, 09:08 PM	You do realize that it takes a while and that he will get to it right?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 09:15 PM	ahhhh! how many times do i have to post it?! i told you the order OOC multiple times i need that Colossal + Black Dragon effigy for the guild & as many Slaymasters & Impalers as you can get with 950,000 ( 900,00 from me + my 50,000 loan from the GoUE) So i will have atleast 100,000 left over for further things... You have not told Orcy that. You have said that you wanted a black dragon effigy and kythons. That is all, no specifics were ever mentioned. Orcy cannot make a colossal black dragon, it's HD are far too high. The Kythons and such will depend on how many you wan't. If you don't want to specify... Glenn will take liberties with the orders.
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 09:17 PM	You do realize that it takes a while and that he will get to it right? Orcy hasn't been doing it cause the order apparently wasn't clear to him, but it should be now so its no big and ya it will take a few days for them all to be made. But I think we're ok with that. Also sorry Orcy but I am with Ur-Priest on this. I have seen him make that same post at least 2 times before.
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 09:20 PM	You have not told Orcy that. You have said that you wanted a black dragon effigy and kythons. That is all, no specifics were ever mentioned. Orcy cannot make a colossal black dragon, it's HD are far too high. The Kythons and such will depend on how many you wan't. If you don't want to specify... Glenn will take liberties with the orders. What did you make for that GoUE? That should do just fine for Ur-Priest. The number of kythons is as many as you can with the money you are given after you make the big flying critter. Any other problems?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 09:25 PM	What did you make for that GoUE? That should do just fine for Ur-Priest. The number of kythons is as many as you can with the money you are given after you make the big flying critter. Any other problems? The problem is that Glenn is a businessman. He does not deal in estimations or guesses. He deals in set and solid prices (which are listed in the shop). If someone wants something, they must come to him and tell him exactly what they want. They should not give estimations... and he should not have to guess at what it is they want.
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 09:31 PM	The problem is that Glenn is a businessman. He does not deal in estimations or guesses. He deals in set and solid prices (which are listed in the shop). If someone wants something, they must come to him and tell him exactly what they want. They should not give estimations... and he should not have to guess at what it is they want. Fair enough. From what I can tell this is basicly what the order and problems are: Ur-Priest wants a large number of Kythos (the exact number to be deturmined after the flying critter problem is handled). He wants a Flying fortress type thing much like the GoUE had ordered. He has 950,000 to spend. What did you make for the GoUE as their Flying base order? This will help to desided the number of Kythos. @Ur-Priest What type of Kythos are you wanting?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 09:35 PM	Orcy made a Gargantuan Wyvern effigy for the GoUE. He prefers to have numbers rather than just 'make a bunch of these' for an order. Also, Glenn has not been spoken to in character about these things. He was not in the location that priest attempted to had him a bag with an undisclosed amount of money in it.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 09:40 PM	@ Orcy: ok let me list this so as to make it simple: 1. Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy 2. after taking that cost from the total of 950,000...make as many Slaymasters/Impalers as possible with what is left. i cannot give you an exact number beacause i dont know how much the dragon will cost 3. Priest stands before Glenn with a grim look on his face: " I need that Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy & after that is done, as many Slaymasters/Impalers you can possibly make."
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 09:42 PM	Orcy made a Gargantuan Wyvern effigy for the GoUE. He prefers to have numbers rather than just 'make a bunch of these' for an order. Also, Glenn has not been spoken to in character about these things. He was not in the location that priest attempted to had him a bag with an undisclosed amount of money in it. We will handle IC once we have taken care of what it is we want. We will also hadle number right after we handle the flying fortress and what type of Kythos Ur-Priest wants. Exactly what can you do as far as the fly fortress problem goes? I dought Ur-Priest wants the same thing as the GoUE and it would be better if they were different any ways since that will make it harder for our enemies to prepare. Are there any type of Fortresses of this manner (flying creature thyp thing) that would be better than what the GoUE has and/or can you make anything that holds the Black Dragon theme and powers (looks like it, spits acid, what ever)?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 09:42 PM	@ Orcy: ok let me list this so as to make it simple: 1. Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy 2. after taking that cost from the total of 950,000...make as many Slaymasters/Impalers as possible with what is left. i cannot give you an exact number beacause i dont know how much the dragon will cost 3. Priest stands before Glenn with a grim look on his face: " I need that Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy & after that is done, as many Slaymasters/Impalers you can possibly make." Orcy will have to repeat himself yet again. He cannot make a colossal black dragon effigy, it's HD are FAR TOO HIGH.
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 09:43 PM	@ Orcy: ok let me list this so as to make it simple: 1. Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy 2. after taking that cost from the total of 950,000...make as many Slaymasters/Impalers as possible with what is left. i cannot give you an exact number beacause i dont know how much the dragon will cost 3. Priest stands before Glenn with a grim look on his face: " I need that Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy & after that is done, as many Slaymasters/Impalers you can possibly make." ok the problem with this is that he said he cant make a Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy. said it was beyond him or some such. We need to come to a different idea for the Flying Fortress. Mabye you could do something similar to what the GoUE did.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 09:44 PM	Priest stands before Glenn with a grim look on his face: " I need that Colossal + Black Dragon flying fortress effigy & after that is done, as many Slaymasters/Impalers you can possibly make." Glenn stares blankly at the kobold. He scratches his head and looks around the room then back at the kobold. Pointing to himself he seems confused. "You uh... talkin to me? What colossal black dragon? I've never heard of a colossal black dragon effigy... and I couldn't make one even if I had." Zombo... Orcy can handle this... things are just being repeated now.
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 09:46 PM	Glenn stares blankly at the kobold. He scratches his head and looks around the room then back at the kobold. Pointing to himself he seems confused. "You uh... talkin to me? What colossal black dragon? I've never heard of a colossal black dragon effigy... and I couldn't make one even if I had." Zombo... Orcy can handle this... things are just being repeated now. Ya I am going to slow down my posts, but I will likely still need to post here and there as your two personalities dont mix very well. :)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 09:50 PM	Priest looks away with a look of disgust "then make it as big as you can,...." "and i still need the army of kythons" @ Orcy: FULL TOTAL OF AVAILABLE GOLD = 950,000, willing to go as high as 1,000,000 now.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 09:52 PM	Priest looks away with a look of disgust "then make it as big as you can,...." "and i still need the army of kythons" @ Orcy: FULL TOTAL OF AVAILABLE GOLD = 950,000, willing to go as high as 1,000,000 now. The largest black dragon you could get would be size large, and Orcy doesn't think that would be very good for a guild... have you looked at any of his prices or HD information at all?
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 09:55 PM	Priest looks away with a look of disgust "then make it as big as you can,...." "and i still need the army of kythons" @ Orcy: FULL TOTAL OF AVAILABLE GOLD = 950,000, willing to go as high as 1,000,000 now. Priest just calm down we will figure this out. Do you want to get the same order GoUE got? It will give you the flying base you have been wanting. @Orcy If he desides to go with this then can you give us the price? As far as the Kythos go how aren't Slaymasters of hight HD? If so i think we will want the majority of Kythos to be Impailer so we get more numbers.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 10:07 PM	@ Z: the order is like this 1. Black Dragon flying fortress ( as big as possible) 2. 12 Slaymaster Kythons 3. as many Impalers as possible after the totals of 1&2 have been subtracted from 1,000,000
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 10:11 PM	@ Z: the order is like this 1. Black Dragon flying fortress ( as big as possible) 2. 12 Slaymaster Kythons 3. as many Impalers as possible after the totals of 1&2 have been subtracted from 1,000,000 Ok the biggest Black Dragon he can make is Large. That will make a horibble fortress. If you still want to go with the Flying Fortress idea you will want to rethink the black Dragon part of the order. Mabye do like DF did and get the big Wyvern.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 10:35 PM	@Z: why can he make a large black dragon but a gargantuan wyvern? if there are better choices for a Kython/Dragon related mobile fortress let me know, i despise having the same as others so wyvern is out of the question
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 10:41 PM	@Z: why can he make a large black dragon but a gargantuan wyvern? if there are better choices for a Kython/Dragon related mobile fortress let me know, i despise having the same as others so wyvern is out of the question Becase a gargantuan Wyvern has far fewer HD than a gargantuan dragon.
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 10:44 PM	@Z: why can he make a large black dragon but a gargantuan wyvern? if there are better choices for a Kython/Dragon related mobile fortress let me know, i despise having the same as others so wyvern is out of the question Because of the HD. Wyverns have a lower HD and are those much easier to make. So a Black Dragon Fortress is out of the question. We will just have to think of something else. @Orcy Are there any other gargantuan flying creatures you can make? ---------------------------------------------------------------- We are amking a lot of progress with this. So far the order is -gargantuan flying creature -12 Slaymasters -unknow number of Impailers
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 10:45 PM	@ Orcy: then what dragon/kython related creature do you reccomend that you can make large enough to fit an entire kython effigy army & the guild in it? and can u make all this?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-24-05, 10:47 PM	@ Orcy: then what dragon/kython related creature do you reccomend that you can make large enough to fit an entire kython effigy army & the guild in it? and can u make all this? The Wyvern is really the largest thing Orcy can make. Orcy would suggest trying to do something else however. Maybe fewer effigies. Since using all of your money leaves you without any say... magical defenses and other such things.
Demonfey 11-24-05, 11:01 PM	When did I lend you money, Priest? I lent Hero money, the 50,000, and I will let him keep the extra 8800 gold to buy something nice, but I never said anything about lending any to you. Before you ask, I was looking through the progress of this thread. I had forgotten to log off after being asked to help with Thanksgiving preparations. And how's this for an example order, to get this to stop: another wyvern kythons: 12 slaymasters 24 impalers 60 adults. the black dragon could be a personal vehicle, if you think about it.
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 11:04 PM	Priest if you dont want to make the Wyvern you will have to scrap the flying Effigy Fortress idea all together. If you really want a moble base you could go Fly Castle type thing. It is a older idea, but still very good, Here are some alternitives to the Fly Effigy Fortress: Flying Castle Gargantuan Land Effigy Normal-esk land base Gargantuan Sea Effigy Underwater base under ground base gargantuan Effigy with a borrow speed these are just some ideas. And onestly I think the "Flying base" idea is only really good when one mabye two people are doing it. You might want to go with something else. Doing something different will give your base more origanality. On the different bases the land, sea, and underground would be the best. If you really dont want to copy people then scrape flying as it is being done and everyone expects that. I think a Effigy base would be the best as it can then attack people as well as be a base. If you go sea it will be a bit more naturaly safe as there is none claiming the water regians as their own. This will make it really hard to attack your base as it is far under water and not many people have swim speeds. I think that would honestly be your best choice. @DF Is that a order for you or a order that you think Priest should do?
Master_of_Flames 11-24-05, 11:05 PM	Li'ruak floated down, his many claoked followers behind him. It seems you are not yet ready priest. Contact me when you are. I will be in the Sunrise Mountains 'protecting' the villiages there. With that he and his army disapeared.
Demonfey 11-24-05, 11:15 PM	Li'ruak floated down, his many claoked followers behind him. It seems you are not yet ready priest. Contact me when you are. I will be in the Sunrise Mountains 'protecting' the villiages there. With that he and his army disapeared. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE!?! LI'RUAK, GET BACK HERE, WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS NOW!
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 11:16 PM	FINE, here's the order: @ Orcy/Glenn Priest presents a small scroll to Glenn then walks off 1. another Wyvern 2. 12 slaymasters ( for a total of 13 counting the original 1) 3. 60 Impalers ( for a total of 62 couting the original 2) 4. 40 Adults (total 40) 5. Black Dragon (personal vehicle for Priest like somewhat of a personal plane) (total !) @ Li'ruak: Priest nods after Li'ruak as he dissipates into the shadows " alright then, im placing the order now"
Demonfey 11-24-05, 11:22 PM	Priest if you dont want to make the Wyvern you will have to scrap the flying Effigy Fortress idea all together. If you really want a moble base you could go Fly Castle type thing. It is a older idea, but still very good, Here are some alternitives to the Fly Effigy Fortress: Flying Castle Gargantuan Land Effigy Normal-esk land base Gargantuan Sea Effigy Underwater base under ground base gargantuan Effigy with a borrow speed these are just some ideas. And onestly I think the "Flying base" idea is only really good when one mabye two people are doing it. You might want to go with something else. Doing something different will give your base more origanality. On the different bases the land, sea, and underground would be the best. If you really dont want to copy people then scrape flying as it is being done and everyone expects that. I think a Effigy base would be the best as it can then attack people as well as be a base. If you go sea it will be a bit more naturaly safe as there is none claiming the water regians as their own. This will make it really hard to attack your base as it is far under water and not many people have swim speeds. I think that would honestly be your best choice. @DF Is that a order for you or a order that you think Priest should do? It was just something that he could start with.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 11:28 PM	:cheer: *See Last Post* :cheer:
Zombomaniac 11-24-05, 11:29 PM	:cheer: *See Last Post* :cheer: Ok then Orcy you have your Order lets be on our merry little way and start this army construction if we can.
Demonfey 11-24-05, 11:31 PM	I know, Priest. I just wanted to respond to a question.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-24-05, 11:32 PM	@ Z: thank you for expressing the things my mind screams @ DF: i know, im just making sure everyone ELSE did
Master_of_Flames 11-24-05, 11:48 PM	WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE!?! LI'RUAK, GET BACK HERE, WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS NOW! *stick shead in* huh? what's going on now? and no need for you to shout. I think you started a few avalanches around ghashmal.....
Demonfey 11-25-05, 12:04 AM	You notice that there is a pile of cooling stone in a puddle on the ground Is there a problem with having a few avalanches near there? Anyway, the GoPG is currently semi-existant. In that state, there is nothing to attack. Now, we are going to sit down and figure out exactly how to use the wyvern *The wyvern comes in for a landing not too far away* and your army's special abilities.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 12:10 AM	Priest nods to his friends then steps next to them " and we shall settle the matter of my army"
Demonfey 11-25-05, 12:14 AM	You have to ask Glenn on that part. Big guy, human, doesn't float around, two grafted arms...this is currently to figure out our strike range and number of attacks at the moment.
The Kobold Hero 11-25-05, 12:18 AM	Tarsas looks up from his book, glances around the room, and says: "Lets get this overwith. The faster we figure this out, the closer we get to smiting our foes." *Tarsas goes back to his book*
Demonfey 11-25-05, 12:21 AM	Thank you, Tarsas. Now, Li'ruak, what is the maximum range of each of your soldiers after any helpful invocations involving range are added? In other words, how many have the eldritch spear power?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 12:26 AM	Priest looks around at the others as he waits for Glenn to return "let us get our armies situated and prep them for the movement"
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-25-05, 01:20 AM	You may wish to modify that order. The Kython effigies alone would cost you 1,254,000gp
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 01:24 AM	@ Orcy then just get the maximum you can get with 1,000,000
Demonfey 11-25-05, 01:27 AM	Priest looks around at the others as he waits for Glenn to return "let us get our armies situated and prep them for the movement" I alone will give the order to mobilize. Patience, Priest.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-25-05, 01:31 AM	@ Orcy then just get the maximum you can get with 1,000,000 Look at the prices in Orcy's signature under the Glenn's Mechana link and get back to Orcy when you've figured out exactly how many of what you want by using the price listings. Until then, Orcy has his own things to do and can't keep figuring out all the prices for this army for you.
Demonfey 11-25-05, 01:44 AM	Personal reference (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7405772&postcount=84)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 01:53 AM	50 15 HD Impalers = 450,000 17 HD Gargantuan Wyvern = 235,000 CHANGED FROM 21 HD (not sure of total price now) 12 17 HD Slaymasters = 120,000 72 Bugbear Effigies = 194,400 450,000 235,000 120,000 194,400 -------- 999,400 total (NOT SURE NOW) ( 600gp left for me,haha) Priest hands him the order form as well as the appropriate amount of gold "good luck my friend" TOTAL Outpost Army Size 52 Impalers 13 Slaymasters 01 Wyvern 10 human clerics 10 orc barbarians 15 Vashar warlocks 03 human monks 01 elven wizard 01 goliath barbarian ---------------------- 106 TOTAL (not including actual PCs)
Demonfey 11-25-05, 01:59 AM	Orcy can only make up to 17 HD creatures. Level restrictions. Probably to prevent people from making half dragon epic abominations.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 02:07 AM	updated --- can someone fix the price?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-25-05, 02:34 AM	50 15 HD Impalers = 725,000gp 17 HD Gargantuan Wyvern = 27,000gp 12 17 HD Slaymasters = 228,000gp 72 Bugbear Effigies = 194,400 total: 1,174,400 Orcy suggests you look at the prices again. He doesn't know what you did with that Wyvern. It seems you multiplied the price by number rather than HD for some of the others... Orcy really didn't think his price list was that hard to read...
Demonfey 11-25-05, 02:38 AM	Can I get 50 bugbear combos (2700 gp ones). Total'd be 135,000 gold, paid in magical items to drain. At the same time, can I get 50 sets of drogue wings (300 gold is one set, so 15,000 for them all, nonmagical parachute/hanglider things that unfold after 20 feet of dropping into something like a hanglider). Purchase total: 150,000 gold, 135,000 paid in items, 15,000 paid in gold.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 02:41 AM	knock off a few bugbears to drop it to 1,000,000 and give it a go Orcy. thanks
Zombomaniac 11-25-05, 11:56 AM	knock off a few bugbears to drop it to 1,000,000 and give it a go Orcy. thanks Ok Priest one of the big problems that has been keeping your order from being made is just what you did. It isn't Orcy's Job to figure out how many Bug Bears he needs to knock off. Now since he does know the Price per Bugbear he can esily do it, but it is the princeable of the thing. As a common curtisy you should have told him the number not tell him to figure it out and then remove the needed amount. It is this same thing that caused the Kython problem. You expect Orcy to do everything. Just food for thought. :D
Master_of_Flames 11-25-05, 02:08 PM	Thank you, Tarsas. Now, Li'ruak, what is the maximum range of each of your soldiers after any helpful invocations involving range are added? In other words, how many have the eldritch spear power? A maximum of 250ft. In addition, I have four more powerful warforged who cand deal twice as much damage as the others. Li'ruak said, giving the signal for a demonstration. One of thwe warforged raised his hands up, decimating a bird that was flying a good 100ft overhead. I think we should ask Sargantas for his aid before we go and assualt anywhere. His men are powerful and his army is vast. That, and he might feel left out if we don't invite him to help.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 02:55 PM	50 15 HD Impalers = 725,000gp 17 HD Gargantuan Wyvern = 27,000gp 12 17 HD Slaymasters = 228,000gp 72 Bugbear Effigies = 194,400 total: 1,174,400 Orcy suggests you look at the prices again. He doesn't know what you did with that Wyvern. It seems you multiplied the price by number rather than HD for some of the others... Orcy really didn't think his price list was that hard to read... lets just go with this: 17 HD Gargantuan Wyvern = 27,000 360 Bugbear effigies = 972,000 -------------------------------- = 999,000 total (1,000) left for me! TOTAL TROOPS @ The Outpost 360 Bugbears 001 Wyvern 010 human clerics 010 orc barbarians 015 Vashar warlocks 003 human monks 001 elven wizard 001 goliath barbarian ----------------------- 401 TOTAL
Wildonion 11-25-05, 03:18 PM	Player Character Thread 4, and nowhere else. Please look at the front page before making a character, too. So asks your friendly Character DM Can you send me a link to it?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 03:50 PM	http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=7828248#post7828248
Demonfey 11-25-05, 05:01 PM	A maximum of 250ft. In addition, I have four more powerful warforged who cand deal twice as much damage as the others. Li'ruak said, giving the signal for a demonstration. One of thwe warforged raised his hands up, decimating a bird that was flying a good 100ft overhead. I think we should ask Sargantas for his aid before we go and assualt anywhere. His men are powerful and his army is vast. That, and he might feel left out if we don't invite him to help. Well, he didn't invite us. Also, with you, that's over two hundred soldiers, not counting effigies yet to be started.
Wilds 11-25-05, 05:53 PM	My scouts are awaiting any commands
Demonfey 11-25-05, 06:00 PM	Soon as the GoPG declares itself IG, we are launching a full scale attack. You and yours on foot, bugbear effigy paratroopers dropping from the guild, and Li'ruak's forces inside the wyvern raining eldritch death from above, and any with fell flight acting similar to smaller, short range fighters. We may boost our numbers of effigies to include aarakocra fighter (1st through 3rd levels) with javelins.
Master_of_Flames 11-25-05, 08:22 PM	blitzkrieg, dnd style. :P
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-25-05, 10:57 PM	@ DF: actually. keep you people DF, ill take my BB's, my 3 Kythons & MY Wyvern
Demonfey 11-25-05, 11:09 PM	18 Vasharan warlocks, lvl1 10 raptoran clerics, lvl1 14 human warriors, lvl1 3 human monks, lvl2 1 elven wizard, lvl3 1 raptoran cleric, lvl4 48 total 50 bugbear effigies
gabrion 11-26-05, 01:03 AM	Soon as the GoPG declares itself IG, we are launching a full scale attack. You and yours on foot, bugbear effigy paratroopers dropping from the guild, and Li'ruak's forces inside the wyvern raining eldritch death from above, and any with fell flight acting similar to smaller, short range fighters. We may boost our numbers of effigies to include aarakocra fighter (1st through 3rd levels) with javelins. Well even though the GoPG doesn't exist IG, my character Aramel does and you can feel free to throw your forces against him if you like. He's chillin out in the Peaceful Orchard most of the time (although right now he is at TFAIGGC). Rally the forces of evil, if you dare...
Demonfey 11-26-05, 01:10 AM	Oh no. I'm going to let you get your fort, get everything ready, declare where you are IG. Then, I'm going to attack you with everything I have at that point.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-26-05, 01:12 AM	the GoPG needs to hurry up and get themselves settled, hells, we've been established for quite a while, i mean even my Outpost has flourished in mere weeks whereas they are not even IG yet
turalisj 11-26-05, 01:15 AM	I blame it on Sil....
Zombomaniac 11-26-05, 01:17 AM	I blame it on Sil.... Don't worry we all do.
Dyne 11-26-05, 01:18 AM	Well, you can look at it this way: The longer the GoPG stalls, the longer you actually have an enemy to face.
Demonfey 11-26-05, 01:18 AM	Well, if they do keep stalling, and Sargatanas makes a move on the Keep, we could just attack that.
Dyne 11-26-05, 01:20 AM	Well, if they do keep stalling, and Sargatanas makes a move on the Keep, we could just attack that. 'Course, then I'd have to fight you, since I have a character there. And you would have to face thousands of mercenaries, who were cheaply hired for only the day.
turalisj 11-26-05, 01:23 AM	But wouldn't the SF technicaly go against them, thus also send a samuria with great cleave against them? merc: whaat!? one samuria against all of us? hahah! *three seconds later* merc: ow...ouch...ow... I think my spleen is somewhere over there, could someone hand it to me?
Demonfey 11-26-05, 01:23 AM	I'd have to fight myself, too.
Dyne 11-26-05, 01:25 AM	But wouldn't the SF technicaly go against them, thus also send a samuria with great cleave against them? merc: whaat!? one samuria against all of us? hahah! *three seconds later* merc: ow...ouch...ow... I think my spleen is somewhere over there, could someone hand it to me? The SF would have to attack with the GoUE. If it did, I would be fighting on both sides (Grindelwald and William Emrys), which is confusing and difficult.
gabrion 11-26-05, 01:26 AM	Well, you can look at it this way: The longer the GoPG stalls, the longer you actually have an enemy to face. Or the longer you get to think evil actually has a chance of winning. :D ps-just so you know, i'm simply in the mood for some trash talk tonight, so don't take it personally. :)
turalisj 11-26-05, 01:27 AM	True... I think I'll have Valshin go hunting dragons at that time. Perhaps he's heard of a guide needed in Eberron for exploring Xen'Drik and has gone off to help.... (p.s, warforged samuria ^_^)
Zombomaniac 11-27-05, 01:33 AM	I love Warforged. :D Hey DF, there is something I have been wondering. How is it the the Gargantuan Effigy will be a guild house? I have been wondering how that works. :confused:
Demonfey 11-27-05, 01:44 AM	That's still in the works. Probably going to have a few rooms built into the area where the stomach would be, with any possible layers, and having the mouth also act as a landing bay/port for dirgibles, where non-flyers can be moved into one of them. I just haven't figured out if it's going to be just dirgibles or if it will be a mix of stormwrack ships built to house large numbers and airships or not.
Zombomaniac 11-27-05, 01:49 AM	That's still in the works. Probably going to have a few rooms built into the area where the stomach would be, with any possible layers, and having the mouth also act as a landing bay/port for dirgibles, where non-flyers can be moved into one of them. I just haven't figured out if it's going to be just dirgibles or if it will be a mix of stormwrack ships built to house large numbers and airships or not. I would like to hear more once you have it figured out. It is a really good idea and I have several veriasion ideas for it. :cool:
Demonfey 11-28-05, 07:57 PM	And now, to make sure I don't forget to, I introduce Nhyris Hss'tafi, the replacement for Sulkyr. A viper wrapped around his arm slithers to the floor, and changes into a more humanoid creature. It still has a serpent's head, tail, scales, eyes, and tail rattle, as it gazes at each of you in turn, sampling the air. A pair of serpentine heads extend from its shoulders, and a strangely large scimitar and bow rest behind its back, as does a shield. It's wearing fine leather armor. Finally, it speaks. Greetings, you scaleless primates.
Wilds 11-28-05, 08:38 PM	"Greetings to you cold blooded reptile"
Demonfey 11-28-05, 08:43 PM	Why thank you for the compliment. For yuan-ti, that would probably be a compliment.
Wilds 11-28-05, 08:55 PM	"...Yer still a lizard. With two legs.....and a "normal" head..."
Demonfey 11-28-05, 09:01 PM	Legs? What the hell're you talking about. I don't have legs. And while a serpentine head is normal for yuan-ti, I had no idea it was considered normal by other standards. Added snake arms are grafts.
The Kobold Hero 11-28-05, 09:28 PM	"Greetings. A fellow scaled one is always welcome. I grow tired of these warm-bloods."
Demonfey 11-28-05, 09:40 PM	Hello, little kobold...half dragon...person. Maybe we should begin with introductions from you all, now, because not knowing what to call people's annoying.
The Kobold Hero 11-28-05, 09:50 PM	"Ah yes, of course. My name is Tarsas." The kobold gives a low, elegant bow.
Demonfey 11-28-05, 09:58 PM	Nhyris.
turalisj 11-28-05, 10:13 PM	"Greetings. A fellow scaled one is always welcome. I grow tired of these warm-bloods." Some of us have no blood at all. Denrik said, walking though the door. Oh, and I'd like to note that Denrik constantly has detect magic active, so he detects any magical items when he enters a room.
Demonfey 11-28-05, 10:15 PM	Bow, armor, shield, ring. Most of the building, too, since it's a GIANT EFFIGY WYVERN.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-28-05, 10:23 PM	Hello, little kobold...half dragon...person. Maybe we should begin with introductions from you all, now, because not knowing what to call people's annoying. you all know me Priest --- any luck on getting my effigy army?
Demonfey 11-28-05, 10:30 PM	Basically, it works like this: When we sell a magic item, it ends up going at about 1/2 the price it was sold to you at. Same goes for magic items that are used as payment, which means you could get 150 to start with, have some cash left over to determine what is still affordable, and then go from there.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-28-05, 10:33 PM	fine, sign me up for the wyvern & 150 BBE's
The Kobold Hero 11-28-05, 10:41 PM	To Turalisj: The Robes, Sword, and Bracers are magical. To Priest: The army is still under construction? Hmmm. . .
Demonfey 11-28-05, 10:42 PM	@Hero: issues with pricing and whatnot. @Priest: I'll let Orcy know.
Wilds 11-29-05, 12:24 AM	"Another Kobold? Well hello. Well I must say you are the strangest snake thing I have ever seen. But then again I am strange to some"
Demonfey 11-29-05, 12:27 AM	Then you have never seen the holiest Anathema, the Blessed of Merrshaulk. To be honest, even other yuan-ti are unnerved by the fact that they have six heads...
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-29-05, 12:36 AM	@ Wilds: <---- black skinned kobold with poisonous fangs, a serpent for a left arm, a serpentine tail, and is constantly wearing a black robe/hood made of snake scales and his right arm is encased in a locked/spiked gauntlet with a sickle attached to it ( it flips into place like Bloodrayne's blades do) and has a monitor lizard as a pet call that normal?
Demonfey 11-29-05, 12:38 AM	Your boss has six different bodies. Call that normal?
Dyne 11-29-05, 12:42 AM	semi-functioning wings( he can only glide 10 ft. per round since DF decided he couldnt use his wings from the half dragonness, i decided to make them only able to glide, not fly) He wouldn't have wings at all. He'd be as earthbound as any other kobold.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-29-05, 12:45 AM	fine. gah... i wanted to add flavour and COMPROMISE a bit, but noooooooo. Fork.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 12:45 AM	If I do it for you, I'd have to compromise on other characters, like the "saint" idea.
Dyne 11-29-05, 12:50 AM	fine. gah... i wanted to add flavour and COMPROMISE a bit, but noooooooo. Fork. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's no way to compromise with the rulebook. We all gotta play by the same rules, or else people would be coming up with all sorts of garbage. I don't think you'd want any of your enemies to suddenly sprout something out of their butt for no reason, so consider this a protection from the wild imaginations of the other players.
gabrion 11-29-05, 12:51 AM	...We all gotta play by the same rules... If only this were true...
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-29-05, 12:52 AM	Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's no way to compromise with the rulebook. We all gotta play by the same rules, or else people would be coming up with all sorts of garbage. I don't think you'd want any of your enemies to suddenly sprout something out of their butt for no reason, so consider this a protection from the wild imaginations of the other players. But Orcy likes his wild imagination, otherwise where would Goblin Liches and monkey pirates come from? What would we ever do without Raed Yddet and the like?
Demonfey 11-29-05, 12:54 AM	But what about the people who make the unique demons that are huge and evil and basically slightly weaker balors that they say "Oh, it's okay, it's a half fiend. It's only ECL 3".
Wilds 11-29-05, 12:56 AM	@Priest Fang is a werewolf lord who can prolly rip a chunk of wall out. Str 36ish i think when changed
Demonfey 11-29-05, 12:59 AM	I DMed for a person with a character that could probably hurl a literal ton at a person.
Wilds 11-29-05, 01:02 AM	the person or the character person would be freakily strong, like.....get away from me and play what u want freakly strong
gabrion 11-29-05, 01:04 AM	I DMed for a person with a character that could probably hurl a literal ton at a person. Of course without houserules to prevent it, that's fully possible (ie no one has to break the rules to do it).
Demonfey 11-29-05, 01:06 AM	The character could probably hurl the ton. He was a half ogre barbarian/fighter/war hulk 10. It was my first time DMing.
gabrion 11-29-05, 01:32 AM	The character could probably hurl the ton. He was a half ogre barbarian/fighter/war hulk 10. It was my first time DMing. Well if you'd like to see what kind of nasty stuff can be done with something like that, check out this guy. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=1992640&postcount=1) If you feel really bored, continue to read the rest of the thread, where things get progressively worse (to the point where he is doing enough damage to destroy toril and oerth). Ah the beauty of badly written and poorly thought out rules.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 01:40 AM	His ranged weapons were resizing orc shotputs, one of which was basically the "Bowling Ball of DOOM". I forget what it did. He could have made that collosal, and since he had potions of fly, he could have dropped that on the dungeon. He was strength 48 without rage, and he had a sizing, morphing weapon, which he made into a duom. Nothing ever got within 15 feet of him.I had to make cheap shots to hurt him, and in the long run, just decided in the end that most things died in two rounds, since that was the running pattern. Then, I let in the UR PRIEST. Not as regretted as the war hulk, but still regrettable. He did it in the restricted 16 levels he had. Few more, he'd probably have done that exactly, except he was smart about his ammo.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 01:15 PM	Let's see...with standard rules for leadership, using Nhyris as the leader for collecting followers for the GoUE, it is 3+7+5 for him alone, making a score of 15 (add level and charisma, in this case with Might Makes Right (Races of Faerun), add +5 from strength score). Add in the normal +10 from being a guild leader, that's 25, include +3 for characters with above Cha 16 besides Nhyris, total 28 for leadership score, at least I think that's right. Cohort level from having leadership and might makes right as a character=10. Leadership Score #:1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 28 220 22 11 6 3 2 1 That will end up being: 330 warforged warrior 1 110 raptoran experts 1 11 shifter barbarian 2 11 elf monk 2 11 orc paladins of slaughter 3 2 human wizard 4 2 orc barbarian 4 2 skarn monk 4 3 raptoran warmage 5 1 elven druid 6 1 raptoran cleric 6 1 kobold sorceror 7 Cohort: Probably going to be a medusa, actually...
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-29-05, 01:22 PM	Erm... Orcy wasn't aware that the guild gained all the benefits of your own personal character. Also... if this is for the guild then it doesn't gain a cohort, only followers, unless that was changed too... Orcy hasn't really seen all the rules modifications yet...
Demonfey 11-29-05, 01:36 PM	The cohort's from being a character with Leadership, and I also boosted it so that the strength score will increase it. I use my current GoUE character as the stats for the guild leadership, since the other option really isn't that good of an idea. Nhyris will take over as the leader of the GoUE, Igor will be the CoA, and the CotP and Pyros will probably stay under Crowley's control. The goal is to just phase out Crowley to something with less power than conrtolling a couple of what have in the past been the strongest guilds in the game, and evolve other characters more. Here's a link (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7862432)
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-29-05, 01:41 PM	Well yes, but your guild leadership caps at the amount for 25, because it doesn't go higher without epic leadership... Orcy seems a bit confused. Did you combine your leadership abilities with the guild's. Or did you just combine the two groups of followers?
Demonfey 11-29-05, 01:47 PM	Guild leadership acts as epic leadership, at least for right now. Building a guild (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=5996199) Guild Leadership Score Each guild receives a Leadership score (and is treated as having the "Epic Leadership" feat) of 10, plus the Charisma modifier of the Guildmaster, plus the District Level of any district that the guild has a Temple or Hard Power Center asset in. This Leadership score may only be used to recruit followers (not cohorts). For each member a guild has with a Charisma score higher than 16, that guild recieves a +1 bonus to its Guild Leadership Score. Certain Special Events held by DMs and GMs may also give a guild an opportunity to increase their Guild Leadership Score. This may change a bit, but from the rules here, and what I set up character-wise, it is currently accurate. I forget the complete list of people with 16+ charisma, but I remember at least 3.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-29-05, 01:49 PM	Yes, Orcy knows that. But none of the guild leadership things apply to personal leadership. Your cohort would not be based off of guild leadership, but of your character's leadership. Essentially having two different leadership scores and two different types of leader. Orcy isn't sure that might makes right even applies to guild leadership. He knows it applys to the feat... but guild leadership is different.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 01:53 PM	My cohort is based off of my personal leadership score. That happens to be 15, which allows for a 10th level cohort. I just forgot to delete the cohort part of the epic leadership. Also, if might makes right would apply to normal leadership, then wouldn't make sense that it would boost leadership in any form? I mean, it does require leadership to even take, so would it make sense to have a personal army and a guild army?
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-29-05, 01:59 PM	Well, if might makes right applies to guild leadership... it means Orcy's new guild is going to be... fun. If all leadership feats apply to guild leadership... well... thats a good question that needs to be adressed.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 02:00 PM	I'm surprised it hasn't come up earlier, actually.
Dyne 11-29-05, 06:24 PM	The specifics of Guild Leadership are currently being worked out at Meta, I believe. I would suggest just leaving the numbers alone until it's all worked out, because depending on what is decided, your score could vary widely.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 06:27 PM	I just decided to calculate the amount from having leadership right now. I'm keeping that for sure, and I noticed something that makes me think my current numbers are off, anyway. Tell me, would you say that HD help determine the character level for most things?
Dyne 11-29-05, 06:47 PM	I just decided to calculate the amount from having leadership right now. I'm keeping that for sure, and I noticed something that makes me think my current numbers are off, anyway. Tell me, would you say that HD help determine the character level for most things? HD are supposed to be character level. Until Level Adjustments came along, and the idea of levels in which you only gain abilities came about. But yes, HD are character levels, as are LA, and added together you get the total level of the character (ECL).
Demonfey 11-29-05, 06:52 PM	Ah. That means I was wrong anyway, so this works out after all. Calculations for personal score: 7(yuan-ti HD)+3(ranger)+5(MMR)+7(charisma)=10+12=2 2. :mymy: Apparently, I was wrong anyway.
turalisj 11-29-05, 07:07 PM	Ah. That means I was wrong anyway, so this works out after all. Calculations for personal score: 7(yuan-ti HD)+3(ranger)+5(MMR)+7(charisma)=10+12=2 2. :mymy: Apparently, I was wrong anyway. add in all of the calculations for the guild members, and the score is around 30.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 07:12 PM	They're retooling those rules, so I'm going to wait before doing anything involving that.
Zombomaniac 11-29-05, 10:24 PM	Speaking of Characters, when I look through character sheets in thier stats it says "+2 levels" What are the "levels"? It isn't said anywhere I look. :confused:
Demonfey 11-29-05, 10:30 PM	Where did you see this?
Zombomaniac 11-29-05, 10:33 PM	It is on several C. Sheets. Your most resent one has it. It is in stats you have "+1 levels" to Char.
Demonfey 11-29-05, 10:44 PM	Oh, that. It's standard for stats to increase over level intervals by +1. When that happens, we put it in the +n (level) slot.
Zombomaniac 11-29-05, 10:47 PM	Do you mean the every five levels thing? Or what?
Demonfey 11-29-05, 10:48 PM	Yeah, the 5 level thing.
Zombomaniac 11-29-05, 10:51 PM	Oh ok. I thought that was taken care of by the 42 point buy. Thanks. :)
Dyne 11-29-05, 10:52 PM	Isn't it every 4 levels, and 32 point buy? :confused:
Demonfey 11-29-05, 10:56 PM	It is 32 point buy, and I forget how often off the top of my head.
Zombomaniac 11-29-05, 11:09 PM	I dont really know the levels and I think I did my Character wrong. :eek:
turalisj 11-29-05, 11:12 PM	I thought it was 52 levels, every 2....
Demonfey 11-29-05, 11:14 PM	Joke about that only if you want to automatically lose all approvals, Turalisj.
Dyne 11-29-05, 11:18 PM	I wouldn't mind a few 52nd-level characters.... :plotting:
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-29-05, 11:25 PM	I wouldn't mind a few 52nd-level characters.... :plotting: the highest characters i've seen were 100, and they were all greater deities that compromised a pantheon of all my friends retired characters
Demonfey 11-30-05, 12:39 AM	Personal force: 1st: 75 2nd: 7 3rd: 4 4th: 2 5th: 2 6th: 1 Cohort: 12 24 raptoran experts1 51 warforged fighters, equipment longspears and longswords1 7 raptoran clerics2 4 orc barbarians3 2 skarn monks4 2 elven wizards5 1 human druid6 Cohort: medusa fighter2.
Orcy The Green Wonder 11-30-05, 01:03 AM	the highest characters i've seen were 100, and they were all greater deities that compromised a pantheon of all my friends retired characters Wow, if Orcy did that his pantheon would rival the Forgotten Realm's deities in number...
turalisj 11-30-05, 06:43 AM	Wow, if Orcy did that his pantheon would rival the Forgotten Realm's deities in number... yeah, but he said it was composed of his friends old characters. so it'd depend on how many friends he has. :D
Wilds 11-30-05, 10:08 AM	:rimshot: :shifty:
Kobold_Ur_Priest 11-30-05, 03:28 PM	yeah, but he said it was composed of his friends old characters. so it'd depend on how many friends he has. :D all in all, they had like 11 i think, 1 for each alignment and then 2 which were for..concepts rather than an actual being
Demonfey 11-30-05, 09:58 PM	Just because it's about time to do this: Crowley, in all his forms, enters the guild house, and clears his throat. As of today, I am stepping down as leader of the GoUE. In my stead, I place Nhyris, who has served well as a leader of large groups in the past. I hope that he does his job well, here. I will still pop in from time to time, but I will be dealing with my other responsibilities. In other words, my newest character controls this place.
Demonfey 11-30-05, 11:14 PM	Current thinking: Guild defenses up until the wyvern: scrapped. Current buys: wyvern effigy (got credit from Sulkyr's items, so not a dime out of guild funds), bugbear effigy plan (270,000, since items are expensive), and wands (50,000, left over money went to Hero who got the wands so he could buy something more for his character) Current plans for semi-magical buys: 2 zepellins 2 dirgibles, one with a cargo hold that has what basically a bomb door, and will be one hell of a siege weapon if I can figure out the mechanics accurately for it. That will take another 190,000 gp for those, if charged full price. Each of these vehicles will need extending bridges and airlocks (bridge length would be, say, 20 ft, folded four times near the door to be effectively 5) 2 drakestone golems, standard issue. (175,000 gp for the pair) Will put more down as I go.
The Kobold Hero 11-30-05, 11:50 PM	Just to let you know, I used the gold that you gave me to get bracers of armor and a +1 bastard sword. And if I remember right, I also got a cloak of resistance. EDIT: Yep. My memory WORKED for once. :rolleyes:
Demonfey 11-30-05, 11:53 PM	Good choices.
The Kobold Hero 11-30-05, 11:58 PM	Thank you. I thought the bracers and cloak would give me a chance of survival in combat, and the sword was just to give me a edge (no pun entended) in battle. Oh! One other thing to mention if you were wondering, the sword's name means Sorcerer's Blade in draconic.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-01-05, 12:20 AM	Thank you. I thought the bracers and cloak would give me a chance of survival in combat, and the sword was just to give me a edge (no pun entended) in battle. Oh! One other thing to mention if you were wondering, the sword's name means Sorcerer's Blade in draconic. nice hahaha my friend's old character ( the wench of the group -he did all our mundane tasks,lmao) was named Rhyvos Raex ( cow meat) in draconic.
The Kobold Hero 12-01-05, 01:31 AM	LoL. What race was he?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-01-05, 03:38 PM	LoL. What race was he? Elf. sad thing was, he couldnt speak draconic, so noone ever told him what his nickname was, he thought it was something all cool and dramatic-like
thasis 12-01-05, 04:17 PM	My posting is so limited recently that I can't keep track of things, but what I've seen seems good. I give mein thumbs up. I'd do the whole thumbs up smilie but I'm to lazy to go find it in the smilies thing...
Demonfey 12-02-05, 03:28 PM	Couple things from this (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=506980&page=1) thread, that I'm putting here as a guild motto during the war: Experience is that marvellous thing that enables you recognise a mistake when you make it again. F. P. Jones "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor sons-of-*****es die for theirs." -George Patton
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-02-05, 03:36 PM	Orcy has always been a fan of... "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
Demonfey 12-02-05, 03:44 PM	That is a good one. Here's another group: "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on." -Winston Churchill "A closed mouth gathers no foot." "One can choose to trip over stones, or to build with them." "Remeber - it only takes ten drunk men with torches to destroy in minutes what it took fifty men with education fortnights to build." Reply With Quote
gabrion 12-02-05, 06:12 PM	@Orcy-don't leave out the line right before that... It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. We gotta include that line to hate on the critics!
Wilds 12-02-05, 06:22 PM	I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... H.P. Lovecraft "From Beyond" Got to love Lovecraft
The Kobold Hero 12-02-05, 06:28 PM	I like that one. It has some weight to it. Its also less well known then most of the others
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-03-05, 03:16 PM	.....
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-03-05, 06:11 PM	double post.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-03-05, 07:54 PM	damn.
Demonfey 12-03-05, 08:01 PM	You expect people to automatically respond to things like that? Once again, that is what Nemesis did.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-03-05, 08:43 PM	:raincloud:
Zombomaniac 12-03-05, 10:48 PM	:raincloud: Calm down, Friend. I have spent a few day waiting for replys on a post before. its not fun waiting but its how things work. Not everyone can reply right away or feel they have nothing to add. I once spent almost a week waiting for a reply on a class I post in the Class Compindium forum. Just lighten up and relax, beside posts number 712-714 and 716 are making you look bad.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-03-05, 10:57 PM	Calm down, Friend. I have spent a few day waiting for replys on a post before. its not fun waiting but its how things work. Not everyone can reply right away or feel they have nothing to add. I once spent almost a week waiting for a reply on a class I post in the Class Compindium forum. Just lighten up and relax, beside posts number 712-714 and 716 are making you look bad. @ Z: thanks man, but i deleted the post out of fear of...ridicule, lol but yeah you're right
Zombomaniac 12-03-05, 10:58 PM	@ Z: thanks man, but i deleted the post out of fear of...ridicule, lol but yeah you're right Glad to be of service. :)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-03-05, 11:14 PM	Glad to be of service. :) thanks again my friend
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-04-05, 12:13 AM	Calm down, Friend. I have spent a few day waiting for replys on a post before. its not fun waiting but its how things work. Not everyone can reply right away or feel they have nothing to add. I once spent almost a week waiting for a reply on a class I post in the Class Compindium forum. Just lighten up and relax, beside posts number 712-714 and 716 are making you look bad. Speaking of which... Orcy is still waiting on your reply in character at Ghashmal Keep.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-04-05, 12:25 AM	Speaking of which... Orcy is still waiting on your reply in character at Ghashmal Keep. go see
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-04-05, 12:37 AM	go see Orcy was adressing Zombo with that post.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-04-05, 12:49 AM	OOPS... anyways @ Orcy: Priest looks upon the strange being: " What have you of MY requests friend" is there any way you can make me an intelligent staff composed of chains, bound with a kyton & able to self cast/recharge spells( like dancing chains and such) and move on its own accord? i want it for a plan i have...
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-04-05, 12:56 AM	OOPS... anyways @ Orcy: Priest looks upon the strange being: " What have you of MY requests friend" is there any way you can make me an intelligent staff composed of chains, bound with a kyton & able to self cast/recharge spells( like dancing chains and such) and move on its own accord? i want it for a plan i have... Even intelligent items need a character to be used. So Orcy would say no, even if he did it would have to be approved by the GMs.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-04-05, 01:06 AM	Even intelligent items need a character to be used. So Orcy would say no, even if he did it would have to be approved by the GMs. it has nothing to do with these boards, its for my friend's game, but i want it to be active on its own, maybe craft retractable legs/wings to it...
Demonfey 12-04-05, 01:07 AM	Actually, the chains could act as legs.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-04-05, 02:22 AM	Actually, the chains could act as legs. and it could pull the whole "Spiderman" act with chains...so..can you do it Orcy?
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-04-05, 02:30 AM	and it could pull the whole "Spiderman" act with chains...so..can you do it Orcy? Perhaps... but uhm... Orcy isn't the best at creating items off the top of his head. Perhaps asking on the items board since it isn't something for the guild wars. Theres no reason to be asking only orcy... Glenn won't be crafting something for out of game...
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-04-05, 02:39 AM	Perhaps... but uhm... Orcy isn't the best at creating items off the top of his head. Perhaps asking on the items board since it isn't something for the guild wars. Theres no reason to be asking only orcy... Glenn won't be crafting something for out of game... will do......didnt know there WAS an items board..hmm...
Von Crown 12-05-05, 09:49 PM	Hey everybody, I decided to atempt to revive an old PrC of mine that needs ore ablities. It's The Master of the Black Sands (http://boards.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=321149)
baron_redscale 12-06-05, 01:42 AM	Demonfey I have arrived, Bring forth those to be sacrificed!!!! :rant:
Demonfey 12-06-05, 01:45 AM	Soon as the GoPG is put IG, you'll have your sacrifices...in the mean time, make a character, and you can be our mad inventor, the maker of deadly weapons and explosives, the maker of all the things that cause the enemy to s**t themselves in fear of the item. Unless you believe yourself to be in control...in which case, you will find out fast you aren't.
baron_redscale 12-06-05, 01:56 AM	Soon as the GoPG is put IG, you'll have your sacrifices...in the mean time, make a character, and you can be our mad inventor, the maker of deadly weapons and explosives, the maker of all the things that cause the enemy to s**t themselves in fear of the item. hmm making others cower in fear,.. sounds right up my alley. What is the criterea on chars?
Demonfey 12-06-05, 01:59 AM	ECL 15, no deities, otherwise, anything up to ECL 15 is fair game. You can make a total of 3 characters if you want, any sourcebook (some may take a bit longer to get back to you on, due to not having a book you might), some homebrew (go to materials approval thread to get something like that looked at). No two characters run by the same person can be in the same guild. Starting gold =200,000 gp, can start with one trait and one flaw. No gestalt, by the way.
Demonfey 12-06-05, 02:10 AM	Post characters here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=470766&page=1)
Wilds 12-06-05, 02:19 AM	As soon as the GoPG is IG, can we start the napalming? (or what ever equivelant we posses)
Demonfey 12-06-05, 02:22 AM	Yes. We can start the napalming, the slaughtering, capturing souls, bombing, annihilating, and bombarding. When it's down, we can start the looting.
The Kobold Hero 12-06-05, 11:34 AM	As soon as the GoPG is IG, can we start the napalming? (or what ever equivelant we posses) The equivelant would be Fireballing. Thats my job. :P
Wilds 12-06-05, 11:58 AM	This is getting aggervating, Sil is wanting to see if new that he made are approved yet..... Those are the most broken things i have ever seen :( Not to mention vengance is always a fun thing
Demonfey 12-06-05, 12:24 PM	Simply because I don't feel like losing it, Now, to construct the oni...or at least the offspring of the original Zamiel no Oni, comparable to the Lord of Skygge to a lesser skygge. Notes on construction: Sanru no Oni base creature (Oriental Adventures), feral template for advancement, two extra powers for added flavor NOTE: NOT MEANT FOR TRUE PC CHARACTERS. ONLY AS SOLDIER STOCK. Zamiel no Oni, lesser 6d8 HD, average 51 Initiative: +2 Speed: 40 ft, 40 ft fly (poor) attacks: 2 kicks+9, four claws +8/+3 Damage: Primary: kick 1d6+4, secondary: claws 1d8+4 Face/reach: 5 by 5 Special attacks: spell like abilities, fear aura, improved grab, pounce Special qualities: DR 10/jade; fast healing 3, regeneration 2; fire immunity Saves: fort 10, ref 7, will 8 Abilities: str 18, dex 15, con 20, int 9, wis 17, cha 16 Skills: balance +9, bluff +9, intimidate +9, intuit direction +8, knowledge (planes) +7, listen +8, move silently +9, search +7, spot +8, wilderness lore +8 Feats: alertness, flyby attack, power attack Climate/terrain: shadowlands/any organization: solitary or wing (2-8) CR 12 Treasure: standard AL: CE Advancement: 7-12 HD (medium), 13-18 HD (large) Creatures born from the essence of the true Zamiel no Oni, they are footsoldiers and aerial infantry forces. They are creatures 7 feet tall, with four arms, bat wings, demonic horns, black skin, and glowing yellow eyes, varying from two to three eyes. These creatures inherited the fire immunity and ability to change form from the soul that made Zamiel no Oni, but not its intelligence. Beware of their claws, for they tend to try sweeping attacks from the sky. Combat: Improved grab: standard rules Pounce: can make full attack after jumping-or swooping-upon an enemy. Regeneration: holy, jade, and crystal weapons harm them normally. Spell like abilities: at will: alter self, darkness, body blaze (see Sandstorm), desecrate
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 06:00 PM	:crazy: My destruction senses are tingling!!! What'sa gonna' die? Maybe, better yet, a war?
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 06:06 PM	Oh, it is a war. . .but with whom? :D Feeling too sick to bother with back-reading today. . .
Demonfey 12-06-05, 06:07 PM	Think about who our opposite would be.
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 06:11 PM	That's kind'a ironic considering you happen to be posting on their boards (even if you may be a member). Wow. I didn't think they would be considered an enemy, considering their small size and all.
Demonfey 12-06-05, 06:12 PM	I post there to draw them out of hiding. I actually am listed as an enemy of that guild.
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 06:33 PM	That's kind'a ironic considering you happen to be posting on their boards (even if you may be a member). Wow. I didn't think they would be considered an enemy, considering their small size and all. may 7 entries found for may. To select an entry, click on it. may[1,verbal auxiliary]may[2,noun]MayMay[1]devil-may-careMay DayMay, Cape Main Entry: 1may Pronunciation: 'mA Function: verbal auxiliary Inflected Form(s): past might /'mIt/; present singular & plural may Etymology: Middle English (1st & 3d sing. present indic.), from Old English mæg; akin to Old High German mag (1st & 3d singular present indicative) have power, am able (infinitive magan), and perhaps to Greek mEchos means, expedient 1 a archaic : have the ability to b : have permission to <you may go now> : be free to <a rug on which children may sprawl -- C. E. Silberman> -- used nearly interchangeably with can c -- used to indicate possibility or probability <you may be right> <things you may need> -- sometimes used interchangeably with can <one of those slipups that may happen from time to time -- Jessica Mitford> <copula may optionally be deleted -- J. D. McCawley> -- sometimes used where might would be expected <you may think from a little distance that the country was solid woods -- Robert Frost> 2 -- used in auxiliary function to express a wish or desire especially in prayer, imprecation, or benediction <long may he reign> 3 -- used in auxiliary function expressing purpose or expectation <I laugh that I may not weep> or contingency <she'll do her duty come what may> or concession <he may be slow but he is thorough> or choice <the angler may catch them with a dip net, or he may cast a large, bare treble hook -- Nelson Bryant> 4 : SHALL, MUST -- used in law where the sense, purpose, or policy requires this interpretation usage see CAN
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-06-05, 06:47 PM	@ DF: great work on the Oni love it
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 06:48 PM	I post there to draw them out of hiding. I actually am listed as an enemy of that guild. Just to clairify, I was responding to the bold line. :blush: Was that a bit of one of these :rant:
Demonfey 12-06-05, 06:51 PM	Calm down, Mid Boss! I just didn't feel like responding at the moment.
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 06:53 PM	I see. . .I am shamed. I shall repent by giving away one of my stars to some randm local yokel. Note: Star = Something REALLY good.
Demonfey 12-06-05, 06:56 PM	It's okay. It happens.
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 07:02 PM	Youre sarcasm has trumped my sarcasm. . .(hehehehe)
Demonfey 12-06-05, 07:08 PM	You have yet to see my sarcasm. It's stronger than my sense of satire using characters.
Mid-Boss 12-06-05, 07:09 PM	Is that more sarcasm? Damn. . .it's hard to tell when people are being sarcastic. . .HEY! That's a great way to win an arguement! Pretend that everything the other person says is sarcastic! Perfect!
The Kobold Hero 12-06-05, 07:15 PM	I sense sarcasm. :P
Demonfey 12-06-05, 07:19 PM	Is that more sarcasm? Damn. . .it's hard to tell when people are being sarcastic. . .HEY! That's a great way to win an arguement! Pretend that everything the other person says is sarcastic! Perfect! Actually, it wasn't sarcasm. My paragraph using the Weekly World News in my senior anthology on fiction as a satire on the real world, now that was sarcastic. Seriously, it was.
Wilds 12-06-05, 07:36 PM	:bounce:
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-06-05, 08:57 PM	lets get our slaughter on!
Demonfey 12-06-05, 08:59 PM	What part of we can't until the GoPG has a set position and the rules are complete isn't getting across?
Wilds 12-06-05, 09:03 PM	:rimshot:
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-06-05, 09:07 PM	What part of we can't until the GoPG has a set position and the rules are complete isn't getting across? i KNOW that. im just a lil excited in advance :raincloud:
Zombomaniac 12-06-05, 09:27 PM	Why wont Sil just make the friggen thing? He takes to long. I know he is trying to making things really cool and all, but sometimes coolness needs to be lost for time saving. But on the matirial approval stuff can someone look at my stuff.
Wilds 12-06-05, 11:40 PM	Sil is stalling cause hes trying to fiugre out how to assassinate all of us most likely before we can act.
Demonfey 12-06-05, 11:43 PM	Would be against their code.
Wilds 12-07-05, 12:07 AM	Then was that little attakc on teh Temple just a raid to free someone?
Demonfey 12-07-05, 12:10 AM	Yes, and before Sil even had the character join anything. Silimna just popped out of nowhere and began attacking.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-07-05, 05:48 PM	Priest lurks within the cavernous abyss for a moment then continues onward to the TRUE Abyss, to the Layer Of Portals...he has a mission at hand.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-09-05, 01:16 PM	Priest moves about the abyssal layer, past swirling puddles of random colors, looking for the one he needs, his other 2 Effigies flanking him the entire way, always watching for danger
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-10-05, 10:49 PM	Orcy has been asked to deliver a message for reasons that currently must be left unknown. He will note that this is not another character of his, and that he has been asked to post this by another, who will also remain nameless at this time. So here it goes. The lights within the Guild of Ultimate evil go out, darkness covers the halls within. Outside lightning strikes down upon the ground as rain begins to pour down. The lightning flashes again, revealing a figure robed in black. An extended flash lights the room once more as the figure nods it's hidden head toward Nhyris. As the lights fade from the lightning once more, the room's own illumination returns to normal. The figure is gone and there is no sign of his pressance.
Demonfey 12-10-05, 10:59 PM	I...think I've just been granted a great honor.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-10-05, 11:14 PM	Within the Abyssal layer, the world's law seem not to exist, as pools of swirling color send a being to another plane when they step into them, demons and devils wage war on fiendish landscapes, and the cries of tortured angels fill the air
Wilds 12-11-05, 02:42 AM	"Grrrrrr what was that about..."
Demonfey 12-11-05, 04:10 AM	Honestly? I don't have any clue...
Demonfey 12-11-05, 03:27 PM	Current defenses: 2 zepellins with a list of rooms still being completed 2 dirgibles with a list of rooms that will be sent soon 2 drakestone golems if you can make them 4 +1 sizing morphing clubs (read as incredibly mobile siege weaponry (they're weapons too) 3 bombards 3 greater bombards Inscriptions of Privacy on all ships, and the wyvern Prices: Inscriptions of privacy: 14,000 each, Draconomicon Sizing and Morphing: +1 enchantment each, Underdark book. Dirgible: 35,000 gp, Arms and Equipment. Gargantuan. Doesn't require xp Zeppelin: 60,000 gp, Arms and Equipment. Collosal. Doesn't require xp. Drakestone golems: Each is 175,000 gp, Draconomicon Light bombard: 2000 gp each, 6000 gp for all 3 Great Bombard: 8000 gp, bombard and great bombard are both in Stormwrack This altogether would be 558,000 gp, before constructing rooms. As a side note, how many rooms would you say a 10 ton cargo capacity with 40 by 10 feet dimensions and 10 feet tall have? And a 5 ton cargo capacity with 30 by 10 dimensions?
Demonfey 12-11-05, 07:14 PM	Wolf boy, it is your task to determine exactly how much of your pack will fit in a ship, to be generous a zepellin this time, and also to account for that ship's crew and onboard mages. Wolf boy=Fang Nhyris doesn't like the smell of human, and wolf is a less appealing scent because of sharp, pointy teeth being associated with it. The reason Fang's being asked to do this is because he has a good number of followers. Account for crews of 15 and at least 3 mages, please. Hero, could you have your character conveniently pop up, please? I have something to discuss with you IG.
Wilds 12-11-05, 09:22 PM	163 followers + Fang + cohort (still need to make) = 165 165 + 15 crew + 3 mages = 183 Growls "183 people total Not to sure how many one of your zeplins can hold. Why would it matter how many? Other than drop off. Unless you plan on dropping us into a battle. You dont smell too good your self snake"
Demonfey 12-11-05, 09:32 PM	I've been thinking about things involving drogue wings. Let's leave it at that, until we make sure everything inside is in order. What I want is for you to just see how many can be fit in relatively comfortably, maybe mark off a few places where barracks could be with double bunks, although this time it may be...what's that word..."hammock?"...something like that. These are going to be the main barracks areas, at any rate. Drogue wing: basically, think parachute hangliders.
Demonfey 12-11-05, 09:40 PM	Orcy has been asked to deliver a message for reasons that currently must be left unknown. He will note that this is not another character of his, and that he has been asked to post this by another, who will also remain nameless at this time. So here it goes. The lights within the Guild of Ultimate evil go out, darkness covers the halls within. Outside lightning strikes down upon the ground as rain begins to pour down. The lightning flashes again, revealing a figure robed in black. An extended flash lights the room once more as the figure nods it's hidden head toward Nhyris. As the lights fade from the lightning once more, the room's own illumination returns to normal. The figure is gone and there is no sign of his pressance. Just going to slither over and look at the spot the thing showed up at.
Wilds 12-11-05, 09:41 PM	How big are the zeplins?
Demonfey 12-11-05, 09:45 PM	Just sent you a PM with measurements. Dirgibles are 10 feet shorter (going to be used as equipment carriers, hopefully).
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-11-05, 09:55 PM	Priest steps intot the swirling color pool,his body & those of the effigies ripped away to the River Styx.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-12-05, 11:01 PM	Priest waits patiently besides the River Styx for the Styx Dragon known only as the Fifth Order, the beast whom Priest must find in order to complete his mission
Demonfey 12-13-05, 02:22 PM	Alright, roll call, people. If you are still an active member of the GoUE, post and mention which character.
Wilds 12-13-05, 02:33 PM	Growls Deftinatly here Finals were too easy, im scared....
thasis 12-13-05, 02:58 PM	My dad caved in. If I can keep my grades up and work on my bad courses then I'm allowed on the net again. Expect me back over the christmas break :D
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-13-05, 03:08 PM	DF you know im still here
thasis 12-13-05, 03:17 PM	BTW Thasis the Evil isn't my active character for the time being (and for an unknown period of time). As I mentioned in another thread I'll explain in my official returning post.
The Kobold Hero 12-13-05, 03:21 PM	Tarsas is still here. As always.
Demonfey 12-13-05, 05:17 PM	Okay, good, and great to hear from you, thasis!
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-13-05, 07:56 PM	The water's surface ripples hellishly as The Fifth Order ascends from beneath its fetid, roiling waters, the beast hangs above Priest, swaying in a serpentine motion before lurching downward,staring into Priest's eyes
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-13-05, 09:52 PM	Priest looks up into the towering beast's eyes, a wave of understanding passing between them, they both know what must be done, a merger of sorts was in the making
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-13-05, 10:27 PM	I am hereby requesting a reply on this: May I have Priest (after leaving his effigy suit) be swallowed by the Fifth Order, and effectively use the dragona as my character? it will be a CR 14 Mature Adult Styx Dragon.
Demonfey 12-13-05, 10:50 PM	We do this by ECL, not CR. A styx dragon would probably be too high an ECL
turalisj 12-13-05, 11:49 PM	*a styx dragon flies in, swallows preist, gags, spits him out, then tail-slaps him into the farthest regions of the world*
Sssargoth 12-13-05, 11:49 PM	I am hereby requesting a reply on this: May I have Priest (after leaving his effigy suit) be swallowed by the Fifth Order, and effectively use the dragona as my character? it will be a CR 14 Mature Adult Styx Dragon. There isnt an LA for a Mature Adult Styx dragon, since a juvie has 14 HD and LA +6, making it ECL 20.
Wilds 12-14-05, 12:00 AM	:OMG!
Demonfey 12-14-05, 12:02 AM	Turalisj, is Denrik part of the GoUE?
Demonfey 12-14-05, 12:18 AM	f***ing double posts
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-14-05, 04:15 PM	We do this by ECL, not CR. A styx dragon would probably be too high an ECL is there an age category which will bring him close to 15 ECL that i can use? & Styx's cant fly
gabrion 12-14-05, 04:43 PM	is there an age category which will bring him close to 15 ECL that i can use? & Styx's cant fly Yes, you could play a very young styx dragon advanced to 10 HD, making him an ECL 15. It's all right there in the entry. HD+LA=ECL.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-14-05, 07:32 PM	Yes, you could play a very young styx dragon advanced to 10 HD, making him an ECL 15. It's all right there in the entry. HD+LA=ECL. perfect, i have approval from Sssargoth
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-14-05, 08:58 PM	now what would the advanced HD give him? more feats, sp, stat upgrades, etc? just give me an idea and ill write out the stats once in know what i need to add for advanced HD
Sssargoth 12-14-05, 09:08 PM	3 Feats, SP: (6+Int mod)xHD, with standard 4x at 1st HD, Str +4 Con +4 Int +2 Wis +2 Cha +2, +10 BAB.
Von Crown 12-14-05, 09:11 PM	For the most part, advancing HD is very similar to leveling up. You get feats and ability score increases at the same rate, and you gain skill points as listd forthe creature type. Also, your BAB and base saves increase as for your creature type, and you get more hp (to state the obvious). Overall, you get whatever a normal class gets, except with better racial abilities instead of class features per se. Also, save DCs increase. It's worth noting, also, that you wouldn't necessarily just advance HD. As long as your age is in the right category, soe or all of the HD gained could be in classlevels instead. Of course, youwouldn't get much for so few levels, so I wouldn't recommend anything more than a level or two of fighter or something for feats. Although, I don't know off the top of my head how many HD styx dragons have, so it might be just a level or two anyways.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-14-05, 10:35 PM	3 Feats, SP: (6+Int mod)xHD, with standard 4x at 1st HD, Str +4 Con +4 Int +2 Wis +2 Cha +2, +10 BAB. thank you friend i shall write him up this weekend probably or maybe before if i have time
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-14-05, 11:12 PM	3 Feats, SP: (6+Int mod)xHD, with standard 4x at 1st HD, Str +4 Con +4 Int +2 Wis +2 Cha +2, +10 BAB. also---forgot to edit last post: where would i find the rules on advancing HD for dragons? i looked in my Draconomicon, but i may have been in the wrong section because it was for the Colossal + dragons...but anyway...im thinking of taking a prestige class with him later/ a dragon PrC that is...any good ideas?
Demonfey 12-15-05, 12:01 AM	Personally, I've been waiting to see a bloodscale in action.
Wilds 12-15-05, 01:45 AM	bloodscale?
A_shadowy_figure 12-15-05, 01:50 AM	bloodscale? It's a dragon PrC from the Dracinomicon. Basically a feral bad@ass dragon that does even more smashing than normal dragons are capable of. Of course there is the slight problem of a required +22 BAB to enter the class... Edit: Btw, does anyone around here need some killing done?
Wilds 12-15-05, 02:02 AM	OG those things LOL i would keep your soliciting of free lance work to a minimum suggestably zero, the SBB doesnt like competition. And we are bored to top it off :D
Demonfey 12-15-05, 02:15 AM	It's a dragon PrC from the Dracinomicon. Basically a feral bad@ass dragon that does even more smashing than normal dragons are capable of. Of course there is the slight problem of a required +22 BAB to enter the class... Edit: Btw, does anyone around here need some killing done? Oh yeah... Nah, we're good on killing. We've got two zepellins (with 10 ton cargo capacity), two dirgibles (with five ton cargo capacity), and a rock quarry.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-15-05, 03:12 PM	Personally, I've been waiting to see a bloodscale in action. i was thinking either a Bloodscaled Fury as you suggested, DF, or a Hidecarved, or a Disciple of Ashardalon, any of the 3 however, would require me to advance in atleast another age category... On a side note: can dragons,(as long as they meet the Prequisites) take any anti-dragon classes like hoardstealer,dragon slayer, etc?
Von Crown 12-15-05, 04:26 PM	It doesn't say anywhere that they can't, does it? i don't really see any reasons why not. A dragon Hoardstealer in particular makes pefect sense.
gabrion 12-15-05, 04:37 PM	i was thinking either a Bloodscaled Fury as you suggested, DF, or a Hidecarved, or a Disciple of Ashardalon, any of the 3 however, would require me to advance in atleast another age category... Also, you would have to advance to epic levels before any of those were an option. On a side note: can dragons,(as long as they meet the Prequisites) take any anti-dragon classes like hoardstealer,dragon slayer, etc? Yes they can. Anyone who meets the requirements for a PrC can take it, even if the flavor is a bit strange.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-15-05, 06:19 PM	It doesn't say anywhere that they can't, does it? i don't really see any reasons why not. A dragon Hoardstealer in particular makes pefect sense. ok thanks for the input any idea which of the classes available in the Draco. would be available to my dragon at this time or in the near future? EDIT- stats coming VERY shortly need help on a few things tho
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-15-05, 07:27 PM	Styx Dragon “Fifth Order” Medium Dragon (Aquatic, Extraplanar) HD: Very Young, Advanced to 10 HD Initiative: +0 Speed: 60 ft, Swim 60 ft, Burrow 20 ft Armor Class: 17 (+10 +7 Nat.) BAB/Grapple: +18/+? Attack: +10? Full Attack: +10 melee (need damage amount/type) Space/Reach: 5 ft / 5 ft Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Constrict Special Qualities: Amphibious, Disease, Improved Grab, Styx Adaptation, Immune To Poison & Disease, Spell Resistance 14, Frightful Presence Saves: Fort +8, Reflex +6, Will +7 Abilities: Str 19 Dex 10 Con 19 Int 14 Wis 13 Cha 14 Skills: ??? (need total amount of SP, including the number of SP before the advancement because it is not listed) Feats: (need 3 more) need all feat, including those from the pre-advancement period) Alignment: Chaotic Evil Amphibious: Although a Styx Dragon thrives in the very river from which its name derives, it can survive indefinately on land Disease: Any creature hit by a Styx Dragon’s bite or tail blade attacks are subject to its Disease (DC 32) Incubation period of 1 day, 1d6 Con damage, a victim must make 3 successful saves in a row to rid themselves of the Disease Breath Weapon: 2d6 (DC 16) Frightful Presence: DC 15 Constrict: On a successful Grapple, a Styx Dragon can crush a grabbed opponent dealing twice its tail blade damage as bludgeoning damage
The Kobold Hero 12-15-05, 07:31 PM	The GoPG will never expext this! :D
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-15-05, 07:56 PM	The GoPG will never expext this! :D exactly. now...does any1 know what i need to add?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-15-05, 09:58 PM	a few minor adjustments made, though i still need input thanks a lot everyone
Demonfey 12-16-05, 11:50 AM	Well, ECL's maxed out, so now all you can do is equipment, really.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-16-05, 12:04 PM	Styx Dragon “Fifth Order” Medium Dragon (Aquatic, Extraplanar) HD: Very Young, Advanced to 10 HD Initiative: +0 Speed: 60 ft, Swim 60 ft, Burrow 20 ft, Fly 60 ft(good) Armor Class: 37 (+10 +7 Nat. + 12 Armor +8 Bracers) BAB/Grapple: +18/+20 Attack: +10 [B]Full Attack: +10 melee Bite 1d8+7 +10 Melee Tailslap +10 Melee Tailblades 1d6+7 Space/Reach: 5 ft / 5 ft Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Constrict Special Qualities: Amphibious, Disease, Improved Grab, Styx Adaptation, Immune To Poison & Disease, Spell Resistance 14, Frightful Presence Saves: Fort +8, Reflex +6, Will +7 Abilities: Str 19 Dex 10 Con 19 Int 14 Wis 13 Cha 14 Skills: Hide 15, Move Silently 15, Escape Artist, 15 Listen 15, Appraise 10, Open Lock 10, Search +10, Intimidate +24, Use Magic Device +30 Feats: Enlarge Breath, Maximize Breath, Clinging Breath Alignment: Chaotic Evil Possessions: Jaws Of The Dragon, Dragon Armor Of Invincibility(Greater= shadowed,slick,Silent Moves), Major Circlet Of Blasting( 40 dmg),Wings Of Flying, Bracers of Armor +8, Amulet Of The Planes, Ring Of Chameleon Power, Ring Of Djinn Calling, 5 Scrolls Of Summon Monster VIII (Vrocks Only) Amphibious: Although a Styx Dragon thrives in the very river from which its name derives, it can survive indefinately on land Disease: Any creature hit by a Styx Dragon’s bite or tail blade attacks are subject to its Disease (DC 32) Incubation period of 1 day, 1d6 Cha damage, a victim must make 3 successful saves in a row to rid themselves of the Disease Breath Weapon: 2d6 dmg, 30 ft line of acid (DC 16) or 2 Int damage, 90 ft cone of stupefying gas Frightful Presence: DC 15 Constrict: On a successful Grapple, a Styx Dragon can crush a grabbed opponent dealing twice its tail blade damage as bludgeoning damage (From Scrolls) Vrock Size/Type: Large Outsider (Chaotic, Extraplanar, Evil) Hit Dice: 10d8+70 (115 hp) Initiative: +2 Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares), fly 50 ft. (average) Armor Class: 22 (-1 size, +2 Dex, +11 natural), touch 11, flat-footed 20 Base Attack/Grapple: +10/+20 Attack: Claw +15 melee (2d6+6) Full Attack: 2 claws +15 melee (2d6+6) and bite +13 melee (1d8+3) and 2 talons +13 melee (1d6+3) Space/Reach: 10 ft./10 ft. Special Attacks: Dance of ruin, spores, stunning screech, Special Qualities: Damage reduction 10/good, darkvision 60 ft., immunity to electricity and poison, resistance to acid 10, cold 10, and fire 10, spell resistance 17, telepathy 100 ft. Saves: Fort +14, Ref +9, Will +10 Abilities: Str 23, Dex 15, Con 25, Int 14, Wis 16, Cha 16 Skills: Concentration +20, Diplomacy +5, Hide +11, Intimidate +16, Knowledge (any one) +15, Listen +24, Move Silently +15, Search +15, Sense Motive +16, Spellcraft +15, Spot +24, Survival +3 (+5 following tracks) Feats: Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Multiattack, Power Attack Challenge Rating: 9 Alignment: Always chaotic evil Combat Vrocks are vicious fighters who like to fly down into the enemy and cause as much damage as possible. They prance about in battle, taking briefly to the air and bringing their clawed feet into play. Despite their advantage in mobility, the vrocks’ deep love of battle frequently leads them into melee combats against heavy odds. A vrock’s natural weapons, as well as any weapons it wields, are treated as chaotic-aligned and evil-aligned for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Dance of Ruin (Su) To use this ability, a group of at least three vrocks must join hands in a circle, dancing wildly and chanting. At the end of 3 rounds of dancing, a wave of crackling energy flashes outward in a 100-foot radius. All creatures except for demons within the radius take 20d6 points of damage (Reflex DC 18 half). Stunning, paralyzing, or slaying one of the vrocks stops the dance. The save DC is Charisma-based. Spores (Ex) A vrock can release masses of spores from its body once every 3 rounds as a free action. The spores automatically deal 1d8 points of damage to all creatures adjacent to the vrock. They then penetrate the skin and grow, dealing an additional 1d4 points of damage each round for 10 rounds. At the end of this time, the victim is covered with a tangle of viny growths. (The vines are harmless and wither away in 1d4 days.) A delay poison spell stops the spores’ growth for its duration. Bless, neutralize poison, or remove disease kills the spores, as does sprinkling the victim with a vial of holy water. Stunning Screech (Su) Once per hour a vrock can emit a piercing screech. All creatures except for demons within a 30-foot radius must succeed on a DC 22 Fortitude save or be stunned for 1 round. The save DC is Constitution-based. Skills Vrocks have a +8 racial bonus on Listen and Spot checks. UPDATED! THANKS Priest aka Fifth Order
Demonfey 12-16-05, 12:14 PM	I'd say hoardstealer, since it's a time honored tradition for getting a dragon's hoard.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-16-05, 11:09 PM	I'd say hoardstealer, since it's a time honored tradition for getting a dragon's hoard. so then, i shall take Hoardstealer later on, thank you my friend, perhaps after that, maybe take hidecarved or bloodscale or some combination of those classes...idk for sure yet
jagggar 12-16-05, 11:15 PM	Disease: Any creature hit by a Styx Dragon’s bite or tail blade attacks are subject to its Disease (DC 32) Incubation period of 1 day, 1d6 Con damage, a victim must make 3 successful saves in a row to rid themselves of the Disease Wait a sec. Isn't the Styx disease thing DC equal to breath weapon's (in this case DC 16) and 1d6 Charisma damage, not Con?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-16-05, 11:24 PM	IIRC it was 2 x the breath weapon DC and yeah it was cha, not con, you're right also can someone finish the calculations i missed?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 12:20 AM	COMPLETED! Bow to the almighty.
Zombomaniac 12-17-05, 12:40 AM	Can't wait to see it in action Priest. So....how many do you think you'll kill in your first battle with that monster? ;)
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 12:50 AM	Can't wait to see it in action Priest. So....how many do you think you'll kill in your first battle with that monster? ;) -changed some SP around to qualify for HrS (Hoard Stealer) i think quite a few Z.... :evillaugh: muahahahahaha!
Zombomaniac 12-17-05, 12:56 AM	i think quite a few Z.... :evillaugh: muahahahahaha! *joins in on the laughter* :evillaugh Laugh with us now. Laugh I say! :evillaugh
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 01:05 AM	*joins in on the laughter* :evillaugh Laugh with us now. Laugh I say! :evillaugh -cant remember off-hand- what's your character's name Z?
Zombomaniac 12-17-05, 01:11 AM	Which one? I am runing two evil ones and a good one. Hirohito is my Temple and SF PC. He is the Imp that flys around sitting on people's shoulders and drink Pride Wine. Cazic is my SBB, WC, and PA PC. He only recently came back to active status. He is a Drow that sees Crowley as his Sensie. Gabriel is my good PC. He runs the Order and leads Stone Town. The guys a Monk and doesn't believe in owning anything.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 01:42 AM	ahhh Cazic & Hiro those were the 2 thanks also wondering, is it possible say, for a creature to gain a subtype by spending a long time on another plane ( since my Styx has a CE alignment & summons demons, i thought of giving him the Tanar'ri subtype later on after living in the Abyss for some time...
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-17-05, 01:58 AM	Since Tanar'ri is a race of demons, Orcy would say that no, you cannot simply gain the type. It denotes that the creature comes from this race of demons, and thus cannot be added to anything outside said race.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 11:48 AM	Since Tanar'ri is a race of demons, Orcy would say that no, you cannot simply gain the type. It denotes that the creature comes from this race of demons, and thus cannot be added to anything outside said race. i see what you mean Orcy, but i was wondering if he coudl BECOME one after spending so much time on demon-oriented planes, and by having such a close relationship with demons, you know---like how people adapt to their surroundings and become something more appropriate for them...
Zombomaniac 12-17-05, 12:00 PM	i see what you mean Orcy, but i was wondering if he coudl BECOME one after spending so much time on demon-oriented planes, and by having such a close relationship with demons, you know---like how people adapt to their surroundings and become something more appropriate for them... If you spend a few thousand years there, get some grafts, kill a lot of people, infuse yourself with a great deal of the Plane's energy.....then ya probably. But you cant do it over night without some Epic Spell or Class Feature.
turalisj 12-17-05, 12:18 PM	i see what you mean Orcy, but i was wondering if he coudl BECOME one after spending so much time on demon-oriented planes, and by having such a close relationship with demons, you know---like how people adapt to their surroundings and become something more appropriate for them... Styx dragons can't become demons, because they naturaly inhabit areas that demons happen to inhabit. That's like saying an inevitable can become a formian after thousands of years.
Orcy The Green Wonder 12-17-05, 12:52 PM	i see what you mean Orcy, but i was wondering if he coudl BECOME one after spending so much time on demon-oriented planes, and by having such a close relationship with demons, you know---like how people adapt to their surroundings and become something more appropriate for them... As Orcy said... no. They cann't become a Tanar'ri. It is a RACE of demons. It would be like saying a dog becomes human because it's been around them for so long. It just can't happen (short of deity intervention and the hideous mingling of two creatures. Which is never a good thing.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 01:21 PM	ok, sorry, it was just a thought,...maybe ill have him acquire the half-fiend template later
Zombomaniac 12-17-05, 01:23 PM	ok, sorry, it was just a thought,...maybe ill have him acquire the half-fiend template later And how do you plan to do that?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 01:35 PM	And how do you plan to do that? by spending most of his time in Demon-oriented areas and maintaining such a close relationship with them, he will become warped by the very essence of the Abyss itself
jagggar 12-17-05, 04:01 PM	Magic ceremony and savage progression. Not particularly impossible.
Sssargoth 12-17-05, 06:36 PM	by spending most of his time in Demon-oriented areas and maintaining such a close relationship with them, he will become warped by the very essence of the Abyss itself Dude, you already have the Extraplanar sub-type. Hell your native to the river that goes through the first layer if every lower plane in existance! What more do you want?
Zombomaniac 12-17-05, 11:16 PM	by spending most of his time in Demon-oriented areas and maintaining such a close relationship with them, he will become warped by the very essence of the Abyss itself Just to let you know......That wont work. Now that we have that out of the way whats next?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-17-05, 11:58 PM	Magic ceremony and savage progression. Not particularly impossible. thank you
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 12:09 AM	Dude, you already have the Extraplanar sub-type. Hell your native to the river that goes through the first layer if every lower plane in existance! What more do you want? ....hmmm....BEEF JERKY! lmao....ah now that the stupidity is done...whats next?
Zombomaniac 12-18-05, 12:16 AM	Let me check the agenda....Lets see....Death....murder...destruction.... ..hey! Who tore out the Last page!?
Sssargoth 12-18-05, 12:18 AM	Let me check the agenda....Lets see....Death....murder...destruction.... ..hey! Who tore out the Last page!? *paper sticking out of mouth* Uhh...He did it! *points at sil* *runs away*
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 12:24 AM	*smacks Sssargoth upside the head with an UBER-L33t +3 Large Club of ADD deliviering* ahhh fun times.... by the way HE DID IT!
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 01:21 PM	ok seriously, lets get this back on track
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 06:43 PM	so...would anyone like to accompany me on a recon mission to the GoPG or any of our other enemies' HQ?
Zombomaniac 12-18-05, 06:48 PM	so...would anyone like to accompany me on a recon mission to the GoPG or any of our other enemies' HQ? GoPG has not base. Otherwise go wild. :D
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 07:37 PM	GoPG has not base. Otherwise go wild. :D then where would you like to go my friend?
Zombomaniac 12-18-05, 07:43 PM	Don't know. You could go kill somebody, fight in the Arena, work on your guild, whatever.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 08:06 PM	well i am debating actually, i want to go fight, but i also want to start work on the guild, but it has been like inactive for so long, i might as well just run a small Merc company out of DF's base...
Wilds 12-18-05, 08:09 PM	lol, why are so many killing groups poping up?! ARRRGGGGG *runs of cliff*
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 08:14 PM	im a cruel-hearted, sadistic,DRAGON who resides mostly in the river connecting all the lower planes...what do you think im going to do, speak Celestial, play with flowers and fairies, and prance around in a frilly little DRESS?! I think not my friend. I am here to Maim, Kill, and Destroy anything that suits my fancy.
Zombomaniac 12-18-05, 08:16 PM	Mmmmmm....thrashings, so tasty.... ;)
Wilds 12-18-05, 08:18 PM	Lol and my SBB char is no better, just less egotistical and more insaneish/arrogant. So close enough to a dragon. Doesnt live in the Styx though, blood would be better lol
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 08:28 PM	so...would you're characters like to help me out? im thinking of running a small Merc band into an enemy's guild, knocking off a high status person or two, and then looting what we can to finance a bit of a...vacation, lets call it, for some of our guild members... ( i want to get enough gp to get a scroll or item that will allow a few of us to go to the Styx, and possibly strike a deal with a few demons...or else build a permanent gate in FO's den)
Sssargoth 12-18-05, 08:29 PM	im a cruel-hearted, sadistic,DRAGON who resides mostly in the river connecting all the lower planes...what do you think im going to do, speak Celestial, play with flowers and fairies, and prance around in a frilly little DRESS?! Yes! Because they wouldnt expect it. :D
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 08:30 PM	Yes! Because they wouldnt expect it. :D so true...know any tailors who can make a dragon-shaped dress? lmao jk
The Kobold Hero 12-18-05, 08:34 PM	Yay blood. I have a sudden urge to go fireball the GoPG. . . Hmm i wonder where THAT idea came from. I really hope some paladin walks into this place. It'd be like that guy in the gaming quotes thread: DM: "You walk into the Temple of Elemental Evil. PC: "Oooo. . . I use detect evil" He's probably go blind from all of the glowing. :P
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 08:37 PM	Yay blood. I have a sudden urge to go fireball the GoPG. . . Hmm i wonder where THAT idea came from. I really hope some paladin walks into this place. It'd be like that guy in the gaming quotes thread: DM: "You walk into the Temple of Elemental Evil. PC: "Oooo. . . I use detect evil" He's probably go blind from all of the glowing. :P LMAO i just bought the Hellspike Prison adventure and im gonna playtest it soon YAY!
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 08:43 PM	*hits the Sig-O-Matic button*
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 08:46 PM	how do i make a signature appear in ALL my posts cuz i cant see the one i just remade...
Sssargoth 12-18-05, 08:55 PM	how do i make a signature appear in ALL my posts cuz i cant see the one i just remade... Cant. It only shows up on 1 post a page, typically its your first.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 09:00 PM	Cant. It only shows up on 1 post a page, typically its your first. weak. oh well lets get this moving again
Dyne 12-18-05, 09:06 PM	You can change it in options. There's a setting for allowing signatures to appear more than once per page. Alternatively, you could go to Edit Signature and click Preview Signature.
Zombomaniac 12-18-05, 09:14 PM	You can change it in options. There's a setting for allowing signatures to appear more than once per page. Alternatively, you could go to Edit Signature and click Preview Signature. Or just look at your fisrt post that page.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 09:37 PM	i think i've got it. anyway lets figure a plan of action out
Ravenscroft 12-18-05, 09:57 PM	i think i've got it. anyway lets figure a plan of action out Perhaps a bit less spacy spaceness , your Sig obscures the message a tad. :)
turalisj 12-18-05, 09:58 PM	Could you perhaps sblock your sig? please, so that way we don't have to look at 9 lines of nothingness?
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 10:11 PM	oops i didnt realize it was like that, sorry, ill fix it
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-18-05, 11:19 PM	goodnight everyone happy hunting ---wouldnt it be fun to prowl the dreams of your enemies and kill with a simple thought?--- Yep.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-19-05, 04:48 PM	*5th Order turns toward the gathering of others, his eyes full of malicious intent* Soon, we kill.
The Kobold Hero 12-19-05, 05:00 PM	goodnight everyone happy hunting ---wouldnt it be fun to prowl the dreams of your enemies and kill with a simple thought?--- Yep. Almost like Alma from F.E.A.R. She could send you into a dream realm where she would try to kill you. The scary thing is that she looks like a eight year old girl. That laugh of her's will scare me for the rest of my life. . . :gah:
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-19-05, 05:35 PM	im so F'in Pi$$ed. i bought FEAR, and thought it would work on my comp but NOOOO...uber-l33t lameness, graphics card wont support it, and i lost the receipt, so im gonna sell it on ebay or something...grrr
The Kobold Hero 12-19-05, 05:50 PM	Yeah I know how THAT works. . .
Wilds 12-19-05, 06:05 PM	Im not even gana get FEAR my laptop almost imploded when i started up the demo. Before i could get the graphics down, it was heating up badly
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-19-05, 07:37 PM	Im not even gana get FEAR my laptop almost imploded when i started up the demo. Before i could get the graphics down, it was heating up badly FEAR should be called " Uber-L33t RipOff x500"
The Kobold Hero 12-19-05, 08:31 PM	Whys that? I thing that it was the only PC game that i played that didn't rip off of other games.
Wilds 12-19-05, 09:41 PM	FEAR should be called " Uber-L33t RipOff x500" No FEAR owns. It requirements kill any one though that cant get the new comp stuff or is unwilling to part with that much money to play games. I fall in both categories.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-19-05, 10:00 PM	i didnt mean the game was bad, merely the requirements my comp isnt even a year old and i figured it would have a good enough graphics card, but NO and im not gonna completely remodel my comp just to play 1 game any1 wanna buy it?
thasis 12-22-05, 10:27 PM	Thasis the Evil walks into his chambers and sits down at his throne "Well now that I've claimed the Guild of Ultimate Evil Outpost and clarified that I'm back, it's nice to be back at my original home". Thasis then waves his hand and a small buttler comes running in "I would like some elven blood. Get it quick, I'm in a feasting mood". The small creature then runs off and returns with a glass and bottle of wine "Here master".
Demonfey 12-22-05, 10:45 PM	The zepellins, dirgibles, and wyvern all land in front of the Citadel area.
thasis 12-22-05, 10:54 PM	Thasis the Evil looks at the new arrivals "Intressting, they must have purchased these when I was gone".
thasis 12-22-05, 10:56 PM	Anvil of Doom Conjuration (Creation) [Evil] Level: 2 Sorcerer/Wizard, 2 Cleric, 2 Doom Components: V, S Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal Effect: Summoned Weapon Duration: 1 round/ 2 levels Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No When Anvil of Doom is cast a magical anvil is summoned into your hands. This Anvil counts as a +1 Unholy Anvil. Anvil Simple Weapon Damage: 1d12 Critical: x3 Weight: 15lb Weapon Type: Bludgeoning
Demonfey 12-22-05, 10:57 PM	A note flutters down: "This is your guild. The dirgibles and zepellins will be good for troop movement and probably a little bit of troop housing. Another purchase is probably on the way. Merry Winter Solstice"
thasis 12-22-05, 10:58 PM	Thasis the Evil picks up the note "I wonder who this may be. I shall have to get familiar with the new faces. Whoever this is, I thank them".
Demonfey 12-22-05, 11:00 PM	Another note flutters down: "Hint: you left me in charge of buying stuff before you left."
thasis 12-22-05, 11:05 PM	Thasis just assumed it wasn't Crowley because of the signature. I left Crowley in control didn't I?
Demonfey 12-22-05, 11:43 PM	You okay with two soarwood galleys that would hold 300 soldiers apiece, and hold a potential 170 others (including necessary pilots/crew) for 120,000 gp each? That would give us housing for 600 soldiers and something to keep 320 warforged occupied with until combat situations (Races of Eberron, they don't like remaining idle), and a cargo bay of 30 tons. It would help deal with where the main body of soldiers is, maybe free up a zepellin or dirgible for holding space, and mean that the wyvern could be just the main hall for members. Also, the main reason I chose Deeping Quarry is purposes of potential ammo. :devil:
thasis 12-23-05, 01:21 AM	The purchases seem good. I approve them. Also I feel like such an idiot now, I thought you signed it Merry Winter Solistce (or whatever) as in your name... I'm totally out of it... haha!
Demonfey 12-23-05, 02:28 AM	Meh, I've done worse. A couple of examples of said worse has cost me stitches a couple of times, but still, I've done worse.
Demonfey 12-23-05, 02:38 AM	Okay, GoUE fund breakdown: 50k went to wands and letting Hero get his character something nice to be more efficient 622.4k went to vehicles, the wyvern (character died and funded that), and a number of little treats :devil: 240k is about to go into a pair of soarwood galleys, normal material 30k, soarwood 4x standard price. They'll just be from some NPC builder, since Orcy gets too much business for him to handle it all, and is also getting really, really rich. Total remaining gold in coffers: 87,600 gold Will take requests.
thasis 12-23-05, 02:57 AM	What about construction of the actual guild, or is that under a diffrent budget?
Demonfey 12-23-05, 03:10 AM	This is the guild. Let me explain: When I began making the guild, I realized that a mobile base would be a good idea. If the forces of good decided to rally and attack, or if Sargatanas and Ashariana decided we would be better as target practice, I figured we could just fly up and out of the way, split up so that the chances of us all being caught would be minimal, and meet in a different area that they would have very limited access to at best. If we also think about troops, there is a distinct lack of aerial forces that we can hopefully corner the market on, with aerial raiding parties headed by aarakocra and raptorans, and aerial bombardments (that's the main purpose of the bombards-they do 3d10 and 6d10 damage (lesser and greater in that order)). Then, there's the idea of acting as mage strike platforms, so that they can get a good shot of the enemy forces from above without having to worry about obstructions, and raining multiflavored magical doom upon our enemies without fear of being taken out of the sky with a well placed dispel magic.
thasis 12-23-05, 03:18 AM	So are base is comprised of numereous flying ships?
Demonfey 12-23-05, 03:33 AM	Exactly, and for us, the more ships, the better. More ships means it would be harder to try and defeat the entire GoUE because you'd have to fight on multiple battlegrounds. It would already take seven specialized and highly coordinated attack groups to conquer all the ships if they were out of reach of spells or siege weaponry. Would you like Nhyris's personal force to be mostly front line, aerial raiders, or the crew of each ship and use the rest as standard soldiers/casters?
Wilds 12-23-05, 10:32 AM	A muscular werewolf loups into the room. It walks infront of Thasis and takes a knee. "I am Fang, my pact is ready"
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-23-05, 02:53 PM	someone needs to work on arming the Outpost...
Demonfey 12-23-05, 03:27 PM	Let us finish here, and then we'll worry about the outpost.
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-23-05, 03:41 PM	alright, sorry for the interruption
Demonfey 12-23-05, 06:27 PM	Let's see, personal score for followers=22 1st: 75 warforged artificers to cover the siege weaponry/crew 2nd: 7 kobold druids 3rd: 4 aarakocra fighters (1 level) 4th: 2 warforged artificers 5th: 2 kobold druids 6th: 1 kobold dread necromancer
thasis 12-23-05, 10:52 PM	You can use your forces wherever you see fit. What I suggest we do is attempt to get more cash, as of to increase our own defenses to a much greater sense then the other guilds. What is a good way of getting cash in this game? Can you still do missions like you would within normal D&D? And if so, how would that work?
Demonfey 12-24-05, 12:55 AM	I'd suggest starting the mines as soon as the map's done. We'd get a good amount of iron and stone, which would be useful for building/selling. And with Stone Town under a trade agreement, they'd have to pay us for the stone we contribute to the town either by helping us expand our own trade via merchant trains or by taking our wares to other areas they'd normally be unwelcome. I'm going to be mainly piloting/siege weaponry, since it's our smallest sized force.
thasis 12-24-05, 01:43 AM	Hmmm... how do we go about setting up mines? Is there any rules for that in a book? Sorry for asking all the questions... I'm just more of a political intrigue guy, not a Bob the Builder :P
thasis 12-24-05, 01:45 AM	Thasis the Evil returning to the Guild of Ultimate Evil looks at the werewolf "Your are pledging yourself to the guild? Well I'm very glad... we now have an uncontrobable beast at our disposal". With that Thasis sits at this Throne and orders for his servents to get some steak.
Demonfey 12-24-05, 01:46 AM	No clue yet. Besides, that's currently a moot point, due to the GMs working on that set of rules at the moment.
thasis 12-24-05, 01:47 AM	Hmmm... I see. Untill then... are we allowed to attack and rob civilians within Tyrannor?
Demonfey 12-24-05, 01:51 AM	That's called taxes, and not until we conquer Tyranor. And before we can tax our own districts, first we have to get it somewhat prosperous.
thasis 12-24-05, 01:53 AM	No, I ment other sectors we don't control, and I ment to actualy go in personally and kill them and take there stuff.
Demonfey 12-24-05, 01:57 AM	My point is that there's nothing to take yet, Thasis. It may help to read the last four-five pages of the IFWG meta thread 05-06 to catch up on things.
thasis 12-24-05, 02:00 AM	Probally... where is the rules that are created so far located anywayz?
Demonfey 12-24-05, 02:03 AM	In that general area, maybe extended to the last 10 pages as a guess. Just start with the posts from a couple months ago and head on from there.
thasis 12-24-05, 03:01 AM	I reviewed that. Were are the rules that were already created posted thought. It was a rather large set of rules posted somewhere... it was divided into diffrent sections and stuff... I searched for them through the various threads but couldn't find them...
Demonfey 12-24-05, 03:09 AM	Don't know anymore. There are connection posts around, somewhere. I'll try and find them for you tomorrow.
thasis 12-24-05, 03:19 AM	Found it, and saved it all to word. Now I'll review up on the rules and become fluent in Guild House Rules :D
Wilds 12-24-05, 09:53 AM	Lol i dont understand the rules totally. "Im not that uncontrollabnle...." Looks around wanting to rip something
thasis 12-24-05, 04:45 PM	"Hmm... you seem like the type of person who might have use in our guild... despite your... nature. You can stay, just make sure not to kill OUR men"
The Kobold Hero 12-24-05, 10:46 PM	"I'll keep an eye on him."
Kobold_Ur_Priest 12-24-05, 10:48 PM	Join In The Hunt!
Demonfey 12-24-05, 11:45 PM	"Hmm... you seem like the type of person who might have use in our guild... despite your... nature. You can stay, just make sure not to kill OUR men" Prejudice against our allies is something that my master didn't want. That much, I am sure. Even against fur boy, here.
thasis 12-25-05, 12:59 PM	"I'm just saying to be catious". Thasis then looks at the werewolf "Nothing personal. I am just a little more... paranoid lately"
Demonfey 12-25-05, 02:52 PM	He also commands his followers, about 150 of them, to be precise. @Wilds: for a cohort, why not a shifter?
Demonfey 12-25-05, 03:52 PM	An aarakocra flies onto the deck, whispers something to Nhyris, and flies off again. Nhyris clears his throat, and addresses the entire group. It has come to my attention that Stone Town has flopped. It is on our land, so why don't we move towards what's left, make it our own, and use it as our first town?
Wilds 12-26-05, 11:06 AM	"Vengance only burns against those who saw my family and village burn because of me. I was harvesting wood for the winter and my entire village ws massacurded because of me. They thought of me as evil, I wasnt then but am now." Looking towards Hero, "I need no watch, none of you have wronged me" Fang was originally True Neutral. When his village was massacred he shifted to NE mainly for hunting down and killing some of the leader paladins that attacked his life. @Demonfey: Shifer sounds good. Ill get to it some time soon. Need to clean around house before mother flips over wrapping paper being everywhere. I got hold of Magic of Incarnum, has any one seen anything good in it?
Demonfey 12-26-05, 12:47 PM	Shape soulmeld feat+either blink shirt or airstep sandals.
Wilds 12-26-05, 01:48 PM	Should I make an Incarnum character then? For infiltration and monerverability
The Kobold Hero 12-26-05, 02:25 PM	That would be good. We need a infiltrator/assassin character. We currently have to my knoledge: A kobold sorcerer A Styx dragon (with really good combat prowress I assume) A halfblood yuan-ti ranger And a warewolf Yes this seems to be perfectly normal! :P
Wilds 12-26-05, 10:46 PM	totemist 2 (blink shirt, bound to chakra) / Druid 5 / Master of Many Forms 3? Does Right by Might add only to the Leadership score for followers? or are cohorts included. I dont owned the book and know no one that does that I can harrasse (jokingly) to find out
The Kobold Hero 12-26-05, 11:50 PM	What is this 'cohorts' thing? I don't think i've ever heard of it before. :(
gabrion 12-27-05, 09:58 AM	What is this 'cohorts' thing? I don't think i've ever heard of it before. :( Try reading the leadership (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#leadership) feat.
Demonfey 12-27-05, 11:12 AM	totemist 2 (blink shirt, bound to chakra) / Druid 5 / Master of Many Forms 3? Does Right by Might add only to the Leadership score for followers? or are cohorts included. I dont owned the book and know no one that does that I can harrasse (jokingly) to find out Might Makes Right only applies to followers, I'm afraid.
Wilds 12-27-05, 11:19 AM	!!! :censored: !!! Well my cohorts going to be pitiful then. Level 10 instead of 14 Should I just go with Druid 5 / Master of Many Forms 5 Dimension Door at will is nice, but definatly lacking in wildshape
gabrion 12-28-05, 12:16 PM	Should I just go with Druid 5 / Master of Many Forms 5 Why not just Druid 10? Dimension Door at will is nice, but definatly lacking in wildshape Ya, it's really only worth it for a character with Shadow Pounce.
Wilds 12-28-05, 04:53 PM	Why Druid 10? Ill have 2 more wildshapes a day if i go druid5/master5. Wildshape (humanoid) seems goods
Demonfey 01-02-06, 09:12 PM	Because druid 10 gets to bring back dead allies with reincarnate. Also, a simple shape soulmeld feat would let you get the dimension door ability. We have a new policy! All primary members must leave a sample of blood here to use as potential material to bring them back from the dead. Those that can't donate, well, it sucks to be you, but anyway, that's the policy now. Please report to one of the kobold druids to give the blood. Call it the plan B.
The Kobold Hero 01-02-06, 09:18 PM	I just had a thought. . . My character is a kobold right? What if i was brought back as a kobold again? Now THAT would be funny.
Demonfey 01-02-06, 09:19 PM	Better than a pixie (that has happened to me once).
turalisj 01-02-06, 09:22 PM	I just had a thought. . . My character is a kobold right? What if i was brought back as a kobold again? Now THAT would be funny. No, being brought back as a gnome would be funny.
The Kobold Hero 01-02-06, 09:33 PM	Tarsas would probably find some way to bring back his old body. And if that failed, he would kill himself. Then haunt the caster of the spell for the rest of his. . . Umm. . . Afterlife!
Wilds 01-02-06, 09:34 PM	Fang walks up to one of the druids and cuts his arm. Blood flows out of it into his open hand. The wound quickly heals. "Here"
Wilds 01-02-06, 09:36 PM	Fang walks over infront of the snake. "My pack is patrolling the area around the guild. Hopefully that will give us some warning incase any one decides to drop by."
Demonfey 01-02-06, 09:46 PM	Finished followers, the sixth level one will be here shortly. As they have been completed, they've been collecting here 1.5 RL days after completion. Excellent. I'll send the aarakocras around, too. The aarakocras, each carrying two javelins as a precaution, take flight and begin fanning out in a spiraling pattern and keeping their keen eyes open for anything...out of place. *blood: flasked!*
premier666 01-02-06, 09:50 PM	Because druid 10 gets to bring back dead allies with reincarnate. Also, a simple shape soulmeld feat would let you get the dimension door ability. Those that can't donate, well, it sucks to be you. Call it the plan B. :rofl: hm, anyway, I'm thinking of making my char raynor to be also a member here. I'm not sure, but put me as a Non-IFGW member for now.
turalisj 01-02-06, 10:01 PM	Then this guild will have the only two samurai (or is it samuria?) in the entire guild house. mwahahah...
Demonfey 01-02-06, 10:04 PM	Excellent... :plotting: Premier, consider yourself on that list.
premier666 01-02-06, 10:33 PM	I'm glad I'm wanted :D . Raynor is currently LN, but I'm thinking of bringing him to the Dark... I mean Evil Side. (its samurai.)
Demonfey 01-02-06, 10:58 PM	Really? You have him marked as LE on the PC thread 4. First page, #25.
gabrion 01-03-06, 02:07 AM	Why Druid 10? Ill have 2 more wildshapes a day if i go druid5/master5. Wildshape (humanoid) seems goods Well cause a straight druid will be better than a MoMF any day, mostly because of the spellcasting. You have to keep in mind that the druid, along with being one of the best tank type characters in the game, is also one of the best casters. Some of the MoMF wildshapes give cool abilities (although it doesn't really pay off until MoMF 7 when you get extraordinary abilities), but in the long run a straigh druid will be better. Just make sure to pick up Natural Spell or whatever it is at level 6.
Demonfey 01-03-06, 03:09 AM	That too. And the cohort'd be the only evil being in the game that can bring back dead allies.
Zombomaniac 01-03-06, 08:07 AM	Here is something that I found while looking through the PrC Boards. Master of Many Forms Bible (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=363632)
premier666 01-03-06, 08:56 AM	Really? You have him marked as LE on the PC thread 4. First page, #25. Really? I thought I never altered him. Oh well. In that case, he is your new member. Oficial presentetion later.
Wilds 01-03-06, 11:09 AM	Ill get to work on it soon
thasis 01-03-06, 04:47 PM	Parents found out I was sneaking on and I got in big ****... on christmas... anywayz, I'll be limited to posting at the school again so I won't be able to play in-game or realy keep up to much. I'll pop in when I can though.
jagggar 01-03-06, 04:51 PM	Hey, as long as you're on, looks like GoUE could use another topic again. We'd rather have you back part-time with low risk than full-time only to have you get in major trouble.
Demonfey 01-03-06, 05:30 PM	Parents found out I was sneaking on and I got in big ****... on christmas... anywayz, I'll be limited to posting at the school again so I won't be able to play in-game or realy keep up to much. I'll pop in when I can though. So, I should just keep on as I have, then?
Zombomaniac 01-03-06, 08:53 PM	So, I should just keep on as I have, then? Ya basicly, I bet.
Sargatanas 01-03-06, 11:31 PM	In the oldest section of the Guild of Ultimate evil, a long dead object begins to move. Darkness swirls within a circular structure of bone, slowly expanding to fill the entire structure. Once filled the sounds of many whispers slip outward through the dark portal. Within the shadows of the structure, a pair of red eyes open and shine forth, and in the blink of an eye, they are gone.
The Kobold Hero 01-03-06, 11:39 PM	Tarsas, looking vary scared, glances around the room. "What was that? I could've sworn i was something over that ways. . ."
Zombomaniac 01-03-06, 11:40 PM	Just to cover my bases if that is an attempt to bring Sarg the PC back then remember that Jacob has his head aswell as those of his cohorts. If it unrelated to Sarg the PC then ignore this post. :)
Demonfey 01-04-06, 11:45 AM	That was my plan, but he's decided to just make something else. Also: :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh
Demonfey 01-04-06, 12:00 PM	Tarsas, looking vary scared, glances around the room. "What was that? I could've sworn i was something over that ways. . ." A Crowley pops in I just got a good kind of shiver down my spine that heralded back to when Droga was here, and the Skygge Door was used very often. Could it be another one coming to take his place? If so, I'm definitely seeing this.
Wilds 01-04-06, 12:42 PM	Fang swings his lupine head around smelling. "More evil..... our cause is not lost then"
premier666 01-04-06, 08:52 PM	I've got a RP problem. How in the world a honor full samurai (albeit evil) like James "Darkstorm" Raynor will come to join you guys? I see most on this guild as CE, not LE. EDIT: No ofence but I see you as a bunch of bloody bastards... :D
The Kobold Hero 01-04-06, 09:33 PM	I'm Lawful Evil! I don't go behind my allys back and plot for uber backstabbing! :P
Kobold_Ur_Priest 01-04-06, 10:03 PM	im torn between LE & CE....im going neutral evil for now...
Wilds 01-04-06, 10:07 PM	EDIT: No ofence but I see you as a bunch of bloody bastards... :D Thats a compliment here. Fang is NE and doesnt really care much other than avenging his family and village. LE? Play as a person who follows most ideals but twistes them so they fit his ways.
The Kobold Hero 01-04-06, 10:15 PM	I like Lawful. After all, why slaughter the happless village when you can show them our side? Show them our point of view. Bring them to our side. . . To grow stronger! :evillaugh
Wilds 01-04-06, 10:29 PM	I like Lawful. After all, why slaughter the happless village when you can show them our side? Show them our point of view. Bring them to our side. . . To grow stronger! :evillaugh Exactly :schemes:
jagggar 01-04-06, 10:37 PM	Tax them. :devil:
The Kobold Hero 01-04-06, 10:39 PM	Plus I think my 20 Charisma would com in handy for 'persuading' them.
Zombomaniac 01-04-06, 10:42 PM	Plus I think my 20 Charisma would com in handy for 'persuading' them. Ya and my 34 for Char will "persuad" them right back. :angel:
The Kobold Hero 01-04-06, 10:49 PM	Hmm... I feel owned. How did you get 34 cha?!?!
Sargatanas 01-04-06, 10:57 PM	The shadows of the room lenghten momentarily as a pair of shining red eyes appear in a darkened corner. Slowly, a large figure begins to form from the dark shadows, a set of grinning teeth the first to solidify. A massive claw clicks upon the floor as it forms, bringing the creature closer. Then comes another, the claws themselves as long as a man is tall. Thick, muscled arms connect the claws to huge shoulders and a powerfully built body. Finally come the ever-bent knees as the creature pushes itself from the shadow's comfort and into the light. It rises high into the air, pushing it's powerful legs upward and bringing it's arms back, roaring at the celings and the sky above. It's gaze lowers again to look upon those within the Guild of Ultimate Evil. A deep, dark, booming voice comes forth as it's fang filled mouth opens. "I am Droga of the Black Skull clan. The time has come... for the shadows to rise up once more! I have come to finish what my predecessor started. For the glory of the lightbane! THE SHADOWS COME ONCE MORE!" The creature's claw rises high into the air closing as it again roars loudly, the portal in the older section of the GoUE springing to life once more. Many eyes appear as a black sea begins to exit the gate.
Zombomaniac 01-04-06, 11:02 PM	Hmm... I feel owned. How did you get 34 cha?!?! :tiphat: Well let class begin. First, we are given a 32 point buy system and this allows for a great amount of customization and we are given the Level increase to stats. Fifteen Level +3 to what ever stat I want. You can split them up bettween stats if you want to, but you already know this. I spent it all as I saw fit. Second, one level of Risen Martyr. This will make you a Deathless Creature. Deathless are basicly the Good Undead, thus no Constitution Score. Aswell First Level give you a +2 to Charisma. Third, I took the Craft Wonderus Item Feat. This makes it so that I can craft many of my items and thus spening half the amount of gold per wonderus item. Forth, with the 200,000 we are given plus my Craft Wonderus Item Feat I am able to buy a Vest of Charisma +6 and a Lences of Profane Charisma +6. Now since the Lences give me a Saced Bonus they stack with the Vest which gives me a bonus to Char. In the End it is Cha 34 (+12) (19 natural, +3 levels, +6 item, +6 Sacred). :teach:
Wilds 01-04-06, 11:06 PM	Ugh Zombo you are too good at making chars. Fang looks at the shadow creature with confusion and a small glime of hope in his eyes. "What did your predesecor start?"
Zombomaniac 01-04-06, 11:07 PM	*snip* Is that the original Droga. The one we all know and fea, the one that makes elves cry them sleves to sleep at night, the one that renews our fears of the shadows, the one that brings evil back into its full glory, and tore the head off a half elf!? Or is this another Droga that plans to full fill all the previous one's plans?
Wilds 01-04-06, 11:09 PM	Im liking his new char already :evillaugh
Orcy The Green Wonder 01-04-06, 11:12 PM	Zombo WOULD be too good at making characters, if his pricing was right ;) The prices for Glenn making an item are completely different than the prices for a normal person making an item. You're vest and lenses should cost you 36,000gp and 2880xp to create. Completely different than what it takes a character based around reducing the prices of what it takes for him to create an item. Edit: also, the old droga was the ruler of the Shadow Fang Clan orcy believes.
Zombomaniac 01-04-06, 11:12 PM	Ugh Zombo you are too good at making chars. Please, you falter me. Do go on. :D Since HiroHito was never fully finished and I still have a free Cjaracter spot, and the Temple is dead. I think I will remake him more powrful and have him join up here. Though he may go through a personality change to fit with this group more and he will still be LE. So James "Darkstorm" Raynor wont have to much of a problem. But a part of Hirohito's personality that I have been wanting to get in is his Master Familiar side. He has been the Familiar to hundreds of Wizards so it is now a part of him. If anyone is willing to be HiroHito's "Wizard" please tell me. Anyone in the guild will fit with him.
Zombomaniac 01-04-06, 11:21 PM	Zombo WOULD be too good at making characters, if his pricing was right ;) The prices for Glenn making an item are completely different than the prices for a normal person making an item. You're vest and lenses should cost you 36,000gp and 2880xp to create. Completely different than what it takes a character based around reducing the prices of what it takes for him to create an item. Whatever. I'll just get ride of my Lences and put that gold toward the Vest and mabye something else to. :P Also I typed that wrong. The Lences gave me Wisdowm. The Cloak was Char, so thats still ok. Just nee to fix the Vest. Also how is it 36,000gp and 2880xp? My Cloak of Char +6 and Gloves of Dex +6 are 18,000 after the Craft Feat. Does it being Sacred really change it that much? :confused:
Zombomaniac 01-04-06, 11:23 PM	Edit: also, the old droga was the ruler of the Shadow Fang Clan orcy believes. Ah thank you. So its a different Droga, but we should be able to expect the same evil.
Orcy The Green Wonder 01-04-06, 11:25 PM	Whatever. I'll just get ride of my Lences and put that gold toward the Vest and mabye something else to. :P Also I typed that wrong. The Lences gave me Wisdowm. The Cloak was Char, so thats still ok. Just nee to fix the Vest. Also how is it 36,000gp and 2880xp? My Cloak of Char +6 and Gloves of Dex +6 are 18,000 after the Craft Feat. Does it being Sacred really change it that much? :confused: Technically there is no 'real' pricings for a sacred stat bonus item. However, every other type that uses sacred, luck, profane, etc bonuses double the price. So Orcy did the same when he made them. That means that a sacred stat item (+6) costs 72,000gp. Glenn's reductions in crafting are so high that he makes then incredibly easy.
Wilds 01-04-06, 11:28 PM	I be working on a class advancement for shadow dragons. Ill see if its legit once i finish it tomorrow. I think it could be fun once the next round starts
Sargatanas 01-04-06, 11:34 PM	The creature comes back down upon it's clawed hands and moves toward the wolf-man, supported by it's massive arms and bent legs. It grins in a twisted smile as it leans in closer to the wolf-man. "Death of course. The Droga that was previously in this land began the process of distruction. Killing the 'good' beings of this world, and making way for the Skygge to pour forth into this world. That is what I will finish. That is what the Black Skull clan comes to bring. Death to those who oppose the skygge! As well, perhaps, as places of honor, and greater strength to those who assist us in our goals."
Zombomaniac 01-04-06, 11:35 PM	Technically there is no 'real' pricings for a sacred stat bonus item. However, every other type that uses sacred, luck, profane, etc bonuses double the price. So Orcy did the same when he made them. That means that a sacred stat item (+6) costs 72,000gp. Glenn's reductions in crafting are so high that he makes then incredibly easy. Oh that makes sence. Ok I'll edit that in. Thanks Orcy. [EDIT] Fixed. Still have 34 Char. :cool:
The Kobold Hero 01-04-06, 11:59 PM	You still hurt my brain. . . :doh:
Demonfey 01-05-06, 12:11 AM	The creature comes back down upon it's clawed hands and moves toward the wolf-man, supported by it's massive arms and bent legs. It grins in a twisted smile as it leans in closer to the wolf-man. "Death of course. The Droga that was previously in this land began the process of distruction. Killing the 'good' beings of this world, and making way for the Skygge to pour forth into this world. That is what I will finish. That is what the Black Skull clan comes to bring. Death to those who oppose the skygge! As well, perhaps, as places of honor, and greater strength to those who assist us in our goals." Ah, it is good to see another of your kind take up the cause. I'm now content with what I've seen. See you. buymystuff
Sargatanas 01-05-06, 12:41 AM	The creature looks around the room and taps it's one of it's massive claws. It sniffs a bit and growls as it looks about. "Where is your master? I will speak with him before I attend to... business I have."
Demonfey 01-05-06, 12:43 AM	Nhyris slithers up to the huge creature. The original master of this place has left. I was appointed here by the one he left in charge.
Zombomaniac 01-05-06, 12:46 AM	No one want to take me up on the Hirohito thing? Come on people its a loyal 15 ECL Character.
Sargatanas 01-05-06, 12:48 AM	The Droga scoffs as he looks down at the snake man. He shakes his large head as his eyes flash a brighter red and he grins. "A puny mortal is left to replace the like of a Skygge? Insulting, but if you are the creature in charge, you will have to do. You will prepare your troops for my inspection, since the previous Droga's disappearance, the Lightbane wishes me to see what forces we have to work with. I wish to see your soldiers, and assess their strength. While you prepare your soldiers, I shall be traveling to this Temple of the Damned I have heard tale of... There, I shall... persuade them to come under the Black Skull's rule. I do hope they resist."
Demonfey 01-05-06, 12:49 AM	No one want to take me up on the Hirohito thing? Come on people its a loyal 15 ECL Character. Sorry, meant to respond to that earlier. I will.
Demonfey 01-05-06, 12:59 AM	The Droga scoffs as he looks down at the snake man. He shakes his large head as his eyes flash a brighter red and he grins. "A puny mortal is left to replace the like of a Skygge? Insulting, but if you are the creature in charge, you will have to do. You will prepare your troops for my inspection, since the previous Droga's disappearance, the Lightbane wishes me to see what forces we have to work with. I wish to see your soldiers, and assess their strength. While you prepare your soldiers, I shall be traveling to this Temple of the Damned I have heard tale of... There, I shall... persuade them to come under the Black Skull's rule. I do hope they resist." If it helps, the other wasn't mortal. In fact, the Lightbane might still remember him. He was the one that bestowed the power of umbral flame unto the Skull. Also, SIR, you aren't in charge of this guild, and would be advised not to try taking it over, under penalty of those loyal to me having orders to leave this guild in rubble if anyone tries to cause any infighting for control, such as you may be inclined to do by ordering me around. Our soldiers are still gathering, my personal troops have just finished that process, actually, and as of yet we have no true power. I will destroy the guild rather than have it do the same through infighting. I will not take orders from anyone that isn't Thasis here IG.
Sargatanas 01-05-06, 01:13 AM	If it helps, the other wasn't mortal. In fact, the Lightbane might still remember him. He was the one that bestowed the power of umbral flame unto the Skull. Also, SIR, you aren't in charge of this guild, and would be advised not to try taking it over, under penalty of those loyal to me having orders to leave this guild in rubble if anyone tries to cause any infighting for control, such as you may be inclined to do by ordering me around. Our soldiers are still gathering, my personal troops have just finished that process, actually, and as of yet we have no true power. I will destroy the guild rather than have it do the same through infighting. I will not take orders from anyone that isn't Thasis here IG. I made no claim to be in control of this guild. It's destruction would not bother me, though it would make all of our plans harder. If I wished to take this place, I would have already begun fighting. You may see them as orders, take them in that way if you wish, it matters not. I have simply stated my wishes. It would be my wish that the soldiers of this guild gather... more quickly, we will need them in time. I don't care about your 'infighting' at all, killing eachother is only going to decrease our power, and we cannot have that. There are much to punish, much to kill, much to put in their place. It would be best to get on with the preperations and cease talking about fighting amongst eachother. I still... wish... to see the soldiers at your command, or at the very least will need information on what they are capable of... when I return. I have things to attend to." The creature's body melts away and disappears from view, the shadows sound with the click clack movement familiar to some. The noise moves through the halls and then out, growing slowly distant. Uhm.... Skygge.
Demonfey 01-05-06, 01:20 AM	Part of the Droga story, we decided we might move into the plane they live on, since it'd be cheaper and have the same effects, and in the process a little exchange occurred, where Crowley had to prove his evilness. So, with Von Crown's help, and a gift from the Lightbane, we made bugs that had poison that makes people evil (Lightbane's gift), and my gift in exchange was to empower the artifact with umbral fire (there was a ritual to bestow its gifts at that time, instead of the classes) and basically that was that.
Sargatanas 01-05-06, 01:21 AM	Part of the Droga story, we decided we might move into the plane they live on, since it'd be cheaper and have the same effects, and in the process a little exchange occurred, where Crowley had to prove his evilness. So, with Von Crown's help, and a gift from the Lightbane, we made bugs that had poison that makes people evil (Lightbane's gift), and my gift in exchange was to empower the artifact with umbral fire (there was a ritual to bestow its gifts at that time, instead of the classes) and basically that was that. I know, I read the backposts of the guild so I could get familiarized with the big bad guy everyone loved. Thats why I said 'uhm... skygge' as in, "They make requests?"
Demonfey 01-05-06, 01:24 AM	Sorry, just remembering Droga and how he'd normally command instead of request, in that way people do it so no matter what they say, it can even sound like a question, it always comes out a command. Also, the recap helps the ones that don't look at the old threads figure out what the hell I'm talking about in parts of it.
turalisj 01-05-06, 07:06 AM	:tiphat: Well let class begin. First, we are given a 32 point buy system and this allows for a great amount of customization and we are given the Level increase to stats. Fifteen Level +3 to what ever stat I want. You can split them up bettween stats if you want to, but you already know this. I spent it all as I saw fit. Second, one level of Risen Martyr. This will make you a Deathless Creature. Deathless are basicly the Good Undead, thus no Constitution Score. Aswell First Level give you a +2 to Charisma. Third, I took the Craft Wonderus Item Feat. This makes it so that I can craft many of my items and thus spening half the amount of gold per wonderus item. Forth, with the 200,000 we are given plus my Craft Wonderus Item Feat I am able to buy a Vest of Charisma +6 and a Lences of Profane Charisma +6. Now since the Lences give me a Saced Bonus they stack with the Vest which gives me a bonus to Char. In the End it is Cha 34 (+12) (19 natural, +3 levels, +6 item, +6 Sacred). :teach: *rips off the vest and the lenses* and that is why stat boosting items are crap. :teach:
Wilds 01-05-06, 07:33 AM	Fang walks over infront of the snake. "What do we do"
Zombomaniac 01-05-06, 08:24 AM	*rips off the vest and the lenses* and that is why stat boosting items are crap. :teach: I've still got the vest. Fang walks over infront of the snake. "What do we do" "What do we do? Will kill them, thats what we do. Kill every last one of those light hugging sacks of positive energy." Releasing the invisablity Hirohito flaps into viewand after speaking he lands upon Nhyris's shoulder. "Dead, Dead, Dead. Their all dead! Sargantanas, the Cat wench, the Minotaur. All dead. Dead, dead, dead. I though these ones would last, but no they have to die on me. Stupid wanna-be immortalls."
Wilds 01-05-06, 08:32 AM	"You are not immortal imp, well a life that I would never want even if it is immortal. Then when do you think we should start the campgain? It all depends what the snake wants, but more voices need to be heard."
Zombomaniac 01-05-06, 08:49 AM	"You are not immortal imp, well a life that I would never want even if it is immortal. Then when do you think we should start the campgain? It all depends what the snake wants, but more voices need to be heard." "And neither are even the Gods you people worship immortal. Its all just a matter of who is more immortal than who."
Wilds 01-05-06, 08:51 AM	"True, though I find no need to worship gods. Malar Lord of the Hunt to who I owe my heritage and respect. But I do not worship him"
premier666 01-05-06, 11:31 AM	okay, I'll bring Raynor when the timing is right. He'll introduce himself soon. Edit: just relised that this is th post 1008. this thrad is gonna get prunned...
thasis 01-05-06, 01:38 PM	A note flutters into the halls of the Guild of Ultimate Evil: Dear members of the Guild of Ultimate Evil, I am sorry for my absence once again. I have important buisness in another area however. The urgency was critical and I know that my being here is important but I can't. I have also come to hear that a new Droga has come. I welcome him as a fellow Skygge. Treat him well and be patient. A war was comming anyways, he will simply speed it up, which might just be good for us. Demonfey, just keep up how you feel fit. I trust your judgement that you will do the Guild Evil :D I'm going to create a new thread now.