Charge time fluke for Sorcerer/bards [Archive] - Wizards Community

Charge time fluke for Sorcerer/bards [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lawrence
04-15-06, 05:11 PM Simple question: could you 'repeat' a spell by heightening or metamagicing it to a different spell level? What about spells with a duration (and thus a set amount of time until the spell is normally available)?

I can't try and look myself, as a friend has my book currently.
jagggar
04-15-06, 07:55 PM I'm not familiar enough with recharge to answer it with any confidance, but you can look yourself (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/magic/rechargeMagic.htm).
Lawrence
04-15-06, 11:02 PM Wow, that place has things all the time, lol...thanks. I'll look into it...

from what I can tell...if you metamagic a spell into a new spell level, it's treated as a separate spell in that instant. So a magic spell metamagiced onto multiple spell levels can be used multiple times in that respect...scary...

but handy for sorcerers with Heighten magic, lol. Obviously there's some abuse risk to it, but...well, we'll see how it goes.
FriendlyBiscuit
04-20-06, 10:04 PM I don't think it's really all that overpowered; you're still using up the recharge time of those higher-level spells. Generally speaking, your higher-level spells are better spells. The only time that's not true is in certain tactical scenarios. For example, if there's a field of goblins charging your way, that Fireball is better than your 4th or 5th level (can't remember which) Drown spell. On the flipside, your Drown spell is probably better than Fireball or even Chain Lightning if you're just fighting one or two BBEGs, especially if they look like they might be frail casters or rogues with a poor Fort save. In either case, a sorceror can spam the lower-level spell regardless of whether or not you're using the Recharge Magic variant. Remember, a sorceror can already use higher-level spell slots to cast lower-level spells, regardless of whether or not he's got the Heighten metamagic feat. The Heighten feat makes your high-level spell wasting more worthwhile by increasing save DCs, but isn't necessary to use higher-level slots or recharge times.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lawrence 04-15-06, 05:11 PM	Simple question: could you 'repeat' a spell by heightening or metamagicing it to a different spell level? What about spells with a duration (and thus a set amount of time until the spell is normally available)? I can't try and look myself, as a friend has my book currently.
jagggar 04-15-06, 07:55 PM	I'm not familiar enough with recharge to answer it with any confidance, but you can look yourself (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/magic/rechargeMagic.htm).
Lawrence 04-15-06, 11:02 PM	Wow, that place has things all the time, lol...thanks. I'll look into it... from what I can tell...if you metamagic a spell into a new spell level, it's treated as a separate spell in that instant. So a magic spell metamagiced onto multiple spell levels can be used multiple times in that respect...scary... but handy for sorcerers with Heighten magic, lol. Obviously there's some abuse risk to it, but...well, we'll see how it goes.
FriendlyBiscuit 04-20-06, 10:04 PM	I don't think it's really all that overpowered; you're still using up the recharge time of those higher-level spells. Generally speaking, your higher-level spells are better spells. The only time that's not true is in certain tactical scenarios. For example, if there's a field of goblins charging your way, that Fireball is better than your 4th or 5th level (can't remember which) Drown spell. On the flipside, your Drown spell is probably better than Fireball or even Chain Lightning if you're just fighting one or two BBEGs, especially if they look like they might be frail casters or rogues with a poor Fort save. In either case, a sorceror can spam the lower-level spell regardless of whether or not you're using the Recharge Magic variant. Remember, a sorceror can already use higher-level spell slots to cast lower-level spells, regardless of whether or not he's got the Heighten metamagic feat. The Heighten feat makes your high-level spell wasting more worthwhile by increasing save DCs, but isn't necessary to use higher-level slots or recharge times.