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strenoth 02-25-04, 01:05 PM	This one is not about power, this one is about being cool or having a neat theme, even if less powerful that other combinations. Show me what you got! psiwarrior/monk, taking psi-feats that enhance movement, and Jumping Attack feats. crouching Tigher/hidden dragon anyone? ass monk movement rates, add 10 feet from speed of thought, and go Up The Wall while making 90 turns in your charge.... oh, and then jump really far. :) hexblade/battlesorcerer: really charismatic dude in a chain shirt tossing about both buffing spells and offensive spells, burning up spell slots in Arcane Strikes, just all around a kina scary guy any other particularly neat combinations you like?
Cathon 02-25-04, 03:55 PM	Swashbuckler/Rogue for that Grey Mouser type. Fighter/Rogue when you want all the feats and all the skill points Marshal/Bard Leader of men, strummer of Lutes, buffer of party
Banpai 02-25-04, 06:29 PM	Something I have been toying arround since some time is an Evangelist/Sorcerer well thats a char I really call blessed with magic. The other ideas I have are heavily influenced by DBZ and Final Fantantasy. (note to me: research spell Ka-me-ha-me-haaaa) Finaly I got the means as DM to challenge my players with a character like Sephiroth ( I am not talking about a one-shot fear me I am the crazy Seph fight, but a longlasting campaign inspired by the various FFs) IMO he would be a mad Paladin/Sorcerer with the madness domain and a nice template or perhaps only a divine rank ;) . On the other hand a Swashbuckle/Bard could make it into many ladies bedrooms ;) :angel:
Baron Phylos 02-25-04, 06:59 PM	Fighter//Battle Sorceror, Dragon Disciple, Half-Dragon Paragon. Gradually turn into a winged killing machine. Urban Ranger//Rogue, Assassin. Who needs ninjas?
Sabis 02-25-04, 10:12 PM	Human Paragon3/Monk17/Pal20. Holy monk warroir. A paragon of virtue,self-control, contemplation, discipline and humanity.
BalancedOne 02-26-04, 12:32 AM	Illusionist20- Rogue5/Assasin5/Shadow adept10 with alternate specialist abilitys(shadow adept levels stack with assasin spellcasting) with the shadow adept bonus feats, normal magic users can't see you even with true seeing(without a caster level check)
CompleteSatori 02-26-04, 01:00 AM	1- Barb1/Ranger1 Fast Movement, Rage 1-day/ Favored Enemy (Giant), Track, Wild Empathy/ Power Attack, Cleave 2- Barb2/Fighter1 Uncanny Dodge/ Destructive Rage 3- Barb3/Ranger2 Trap Sense +1/ Rapid Shot/ Knight of Stars 4- Barb4/Fighter2 Rage 2-day/ Intimidating Rage 5- Barb5/Ranger3 Improved Uncanny Dodge/ Endurance 6- Barb6/Berserk1 Trap Sense +2 / Battle Fury 1/day, Fast Movement/ Righteous Wrath 7- Barb7/FrBers1 DR 1/- / Frenzy 1-day, Diehard 8- Barb8/FrBers2 Rage 3-day/ Supreme Cleave 9- Barb9/FrBers3 Trap Sense +3/ Frenzy 2-day/ Improved Sunder 10- Barb10/FrBers4 DR 2/- / Deathless Frenzy 11- Barb11/FrBers5 Greater Rage/ Frenzy 3-day. Improved Power Attack 12- Barb12/FrBers6 Rage 4-day, Trap Sense +4/ Inspire Frenzy 1-day/ Combat Brute 13- Barb13/FrBers7 DR 3/- / Frenzy 4-day 14- Barb14/FrBers8 Indomitable Will/ Greater Frenzy, Inspire Frenzy 2-day 15- Barb15/FrBers9 Trap Sense +5/ Frenzy 5-day/ Greater Cleave 16- Barb16/FrBers10 DR 4/-, Rage 5-day/ Inspire Frenzy 3-day, Tireless Frenzy, Supreme Power Attack 17- Champ1/Druid1 Detect Evil (Sp), Tireless Rage, Smite Evil 1-day/ Animal Companion, Nature Sense, Wild Empathy 18- Champ2/Druid2 Divine Grace, Furious Casting/ Woodland Stride/ Improved Toughness 19- Champ3/Druid3 DR 6/-, Resist Enchantment/ Trackless Step 20- Champ4/Druid4 Fearsome Fury, Mighty Rage/ Resist Natures Lure Love this build, very seksi. Champ is Champion of Gwenyfhar from BoED, FrBers is Frenzied Berserk from CW, Berserk is from Deities & Demigods.
klyre 02-26-04, 02:20 AM	Originally posted by CompleteSatori Love this build, very seksi. Champ is Champion of Gwenyfhar from BoED, FrBers is Frenzied Berserk from CW, Berserk is from Deities & Demigods. So.. he ends up as a Bbn16/Drd4/Rgr3/Ftr2/Berserk1/FrBers10/Champ4 Interesting build.
CompleteSatori 02-26-04, 02:28 AM	Thanks Klyre, that build is pretty uber for melee, andif you stack a resistance item on him, at high levels his saves are 30+. There is a complete build on the CO boards... Here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188924) is the link.
Bard-of-all-trades 03-17-04, 01:28 PM	A great combo I've researched is the gestalt cleric/monk. It's simple and straightforward. Both classes' primary ability score is Wisdom. You won't need to worry about spending money on armor or weapons because of the monk abilities. You'll have spells from the cleric abilities to take care of anything you can't talk or fight your way out of normally. Your gestalt cleric/monk would practically surpass a paladin or blackguard. Two thumbs up from me on the optional Gestalt rules!
Michael Tree 03-18-04, 12:32 AM	Originally posted by Bard-of-all-trades A great combo I've researched is the gestalt cleric/monk. Even better is a gestalt OA shaman/monk with the Hero domain. If you put your highest scores in Wisdom and Charisma, and take the Divine Power feat, you'll have the ultimate saving throws in the game, dish great damage, and be able to polymorph into giant form to boost your physical attributes and unarmed damage. Plus, you'll be able to spout twice as many annoying psuedo-Confucian platitutes. :D For the ultimate hunter, combine the urban ranger variant and the hunter druid variant. You'll get double the favored enemies (they don't stack, but you can get twice as many of them), excellent AC without armor, fast movement, versatile spells, and the ultimate in tracking anyone anywhere. If you combine the hunter druid variant with the barbarian, you'll get a lightning-fast spellcasting hunter-killer missile of physical destruction.
Ulden Throatbane 03-18-04, 02:41 AM	paladin//sorcerer/spellsword/exalted arcanist. One level of spellsword is all you'll need for mithral chain shirt or twilight mithral breastplate. True strike prior to power attack, with divine might to boot. At high levels, take greater aspect of the deity to become a mean winged flying machine. Use lesser restoration/restoration to allow you to keep chugging out sanctified spells like Hammer of Rightiousness. Use faster sanctify to quickly drop fireballs at your feet without having to worry about hurting yourself or your allies. And Exalted Fury will give you the type heroic departure that any paladin would love to have (especially because you have the hp to make good use of it).
AstralFire 03-18-04, 07:06 AM	Warmage/Battle Sorcerer Shield (due to loss of 10% ASF)? Check. Armor? Check. Weapon? Check. d8 HP/ 3/4 BAB? Check. Utility and Blasting Spells? Check.
lafdog 03-20-04, 03:32 AM	Hunter Druid / Feat Rogue (no sneak attack).
caeruleus 03-20-04, 01:15 PM	While some may consider this too powerful, I think it ranks high on coolness factor. It uses the generic classes. Begin as a gestalt arcane spellcaster/divine spellcaster. Each class gives access to all druid, cleric, and sorcerer/wizard spells. Once you hit 4th level, you begin taking levels of mystic theurge, while alternating between arcane and divine spellcaster. The ultimate magic-user! Oh, and perhaps also archmage and hierophant at upper levels. Draco Caeruleus
Count Arioch the 28th 03-20-04, 01:36 PM	It says that MyTh is banned from gmaes that allow Gestalt. Anway: It takes a lot of high stats to back it up, but a gestalt paladin/monk would kick arse. Perhas mix in a Vow of Poverty.
SirisC 03-20-04, 01:53 PM	my favorite is generic warrior/psychic warrior
caeruleus 03-20-04, 02:11 PM	Originally posted by Count Arioch the 28th It says that MyTh is banned from gmaes that allow Gestalt. Sure, I think generic classes should also be banned from the gestalt option. I was only thinking of coolness factor. What about this one... Fighter/Cleric/Prestige Paladin You gain more spells per day in your cleric class with the prestige paladin, and your cleric and prestige paladin levels stack for purposes of turning undead. Draco
Necron013 03-20-04, 02:29 PM	Straight Druid/Barbarian. Druid Wildshapes into a high-con creature, and the Barbarian Rages. Uber killing machine. Driud Wildshapes into something small, and barbarian uses uncany dodge. Uber survival machine. Not as cool as the psionic monk, but sure comes close.
Count Arioch the 28th 03-20-04, 02:55 PM	That's a good one. How about Paladin of Freedom/bard? You're a holy warrior, with a canny wit, skill, and a song to bring hope to the opressed masses. Now, don't tell me that wouldn't be all kinds of cool. And, of course, the obligatory: Rogue/druid, chnaging into ninja of the crescent moon/dread pirate. All you would need is a dinosaur animal companion for the druid levels, and then there would be no stopping your character. It would be a combo that can't be beat, like mixing booze and liquor. (10 points if you indentify the quote.)
DrKultra 03-20-04, 08:51 PM	My Quote detector says Twinking Out with Red Mage at www.nuklearpower.com
Contrast 03-20-04, 09:12 PM	I am attempting to make a gestalt who is a fighter and a wizard with Fighter bonus feats rather than Wizard bonus feats ( Page 59 Unearthed Arcana ) and an Animal Companion rather than a Familiar ( Pages 58-59 Unearthed Arcana ) With human as race, he gets 4 feats a first level. 2 fighter, two normal. A quite powerful Melee combatant with a good amount of magic as well.
kazle1 03-20-04, 09:36 PM	I think a monk comboed with a swashbuckler to be very cool.
kazle1 03-20-04, 09:39 PM	or a monk/rouge. Stun followed by lots of pain.
kazle1 03-20-04, 09:42 PM	or even better paladin/monk centeur. Mount would always be on hand. YOU.
trapspringer 03-20-04, 10:48 PM	I think an obvious combo is sneak attack fighter and rouge. Of course, this raises another slightly more sutomizable combo, the feats rouge standard fither human with a couple o flaws. (think about your options with 8 feats by second level and a ton of skill points)
Zeus-the-mighty 03-21-04, 02:26 AM	you would only get one sneak progresion with that combo. I still like the wiz/rogue combo. high inteligence gets you skills beyond belief. or if you go sorc/rogue you could charm your way out of anything magical or not.
claytonian 03-21-04, 05:11 AM	a dreadnought/planar traveler (exact names escape me) could either chose to not be moved, or planeshift around. amusing
ShadowRanger 03-21-04, 09:25 AM	fighter/psion would be fun to play, or rouge/psion, or rouge/psy war. Kind of the coolness factor of being able to manafiest powers when skulking around (rouge), or just flat out changing combat with the psion/fighter combo. Raw power:Psion/Arcane(Wiz or Sorc), or Psion/Divine(Druid or Cleric) combine with resculpt mind a good amount of feats plus access to all those nice psionic feats. Or a psy warrior/wizard- tons of feats and can fight out of trouble
CompleteSatori 03-21-04, 09:26 AM	Favored Soul/ Sorcerer is an awesome combination... All 3 favored saves, d8 hit points, excellent skill list (even if your skill points ARE crappy), and both Divine and Arcane Charisma based spontaneous casting. Coupled with free Weapon Focus (Deitys weapon) and a bunch of interesting Energy Resistances and Weapon Specialization and you have a pretty cool combination of classes. And guys, Rouge means Red in French, and is also a form of womens make-up, while Rogue means vagabond/thief in English.
kazle1 03-21-04, 12:59 PM	Psion/rouge. Once they learn fusion they can make them selfs their own army. They can surround their enemy and sneak attack the crap out of them.
Ashkalzjir 03-21-04, 09:23 PM	barb/monk d12 hit die, full BAB w/ flurry of blows, all good saves, decent skills, etc
riceisnice 03-21-04, 09:27 PM	I don't think you can gestalt a barbarian and monk with their conflicting alignment requirements (non-lawful and lawful only, respectively).
SirisC 03-21-04, 09:40 PM	Originally posted by riceisnice I don't think you can gestalt a barbarian and monk with their conflicting alignment requirements (non-lawful and lawful only, respectively). then do fighter/monk
Peregrine7 03-21-04, 09:53 PM	Paladin/Ranger, my preference being the non-spellcasting variants of each from Complete Warrior. Not so much for cool ability combinations, but a cool roleplaying combo. (Might even be weak as gestalts go.)
riceisnice 03-21-04, 10:25 PM	Combining the ranger and the urban ranger is probably not as strong as some other combos, but its the ultimate bounty hunter, and is especially good if you rule that the ranger's racial favored enemy and the urban ranger's organization favored enemy don't overlap, as well as their spells. They have a slightly different spell list, do they gain both spell progressions do you think?
DrKultra 03-21-04, 11:39 PM	Rouge/Ninja (Base class, came out in OA Web Enchancment and Dragon magazine) at 20th level: Rouge: +10d6 Sneak Attack Ninja: +10d6 Sudden Strike That means that at 20th level, you can deal +20d6 per attack with a max of 7 attacks. with shortswords that means: 147d6 damage per full attack :P now thats abusable with a Ring of Blinking.
strenoth 03-22-04, 12:06 AM	actually, Sneack Attack counts as the same ability form btoh classes. Sorry dude, it is a cool concept., but the rulesare that you only have 10d6 SA at 20th level. otherwise, a cleric/paladin would end up having a turning power of a 37th level cleric at 20th level.
stone_dog 03-22-04, 01:04 AM	Originally posted by riceisnice Combining the ranger and the urban ranger is probably not as strong as some other combos, Or as legal. sorry, but varients of the same class can't be put next to each other like that. One of the Dragons a while ago had Fighter varients, but once you took one of them you could never multiclass into another varient or a normal fighter. I'd say something the same applies here too. Strenoth is right on the sneak attack/sudden strike thing though. If nothing else, sudden strike is inferior to sneak attack and you would get the better of the two.
Rangler 03-22-04, 05:23 AM	Originally posted by strenoth actually, Sneack Attack counts as the same ability form btoh classes. Sorry dude, it is a cool concept., but the rulesare that you only have 10d6 SA at 20th level. otherwise, a cleric/paladin would end up having a turning power of a 37th level cleric at 20th level. You should be able to work around em tho...like a level 1 rouge\fighter then rouge\ninija...will give you about the same results but with 1 extra feat or summit
Ninja Cleric 03-22-04, 06:16 AM	Psion/Psychic Warrior Bonus Feat Of Fighter+Extra Psionics feats. 1d8hitdie.Moderate base attack,Armor+weapon prof.free Weapon Speciallization,early a lot of psionic combat modes+a lot of Power Points(especially after 7th level).
strenoth 03-22-04, 06:49 AM	heh, that combo makes me think of a feat in Mind's eye.. you take this feat, and from then on you cna trade in combat modes for feats. since you ahve so many combat modes, mor ethan you could ever use...
Ninja Cleric 03-22-04, 06:53 AM	Thats true...but i cant recall where I read that strenoth...I think i saw that on a Dragon Magazine.
SirisC 03-22-04, 08:27 AM	the feat is resculpt mind, and it specifically states at which level of psion you can switch out a combat mode for a feat, it ends up giving you 5 bonus feats - 1 Resculpt mind feat.
BalancedOne 05-03-04, 06:00 PM	Nomad(psion)20/ PsiWar5/Elocater10/Metamind 5 seems really neato, and continue Metemind into epic for practicly inf. PP
DBoot 05-04-04, 06:46 PM	Some fun ones: Paladin of Tyranny 3/Fighter 3/Spellsword 10/Master Samurai 4 Sorceror 15/Fighter 4-8 With Arcane Strike, this is just fun Armored Katana Goodness. Also, you can channel meteorstorm if you feel like it! Nasty: Paladin 6/Fighter 2/Iajutsu Master 10/Whatever 2 Sorceror 5/Rouge 1/Arcane Duelist 2/Rouge 2-12/Sorceror 6 9d6 Iajutsu strike+ 6d6 sneak attack, + 9 x Charisma Mod= fun. Hexblade 3/Fighter 2/Horizon Walker 1-6/Occult Slayer 5/Horizon Walker 7-9 Monk 20 The Anti Mage. Take Sun School, use it with Dimensional Door and Vicious Strike whenever someone tries to cast a spell. Oh, and just generally cool combination: Fighter/Cleric = Templar Barbarian/Druid = Raging Death Bear Druid/Monk= Unhittable Death Bear Druid/Rouge= Sneaky Death Bear Swasbuckler-Duelist/Wizard= Int to practically everything
Ph0eNiX 05-04-04, 07:15 PM	Hmm... a Warforged Psion+Soulknife... especially if you take the Mithral or Adamantine feat at first level... Great when the party gets captured, since you can't have your armor or weapons taken away from you. And you'd better get yourself enchanted with the phasing property! Sure, it's not a good base attack progression and your fortitude saves are poor, but it can be fun! Course, you could always go with the Fighter+Soulknife combo and use your slew of fighter feats to become really nasty with your mindblade.
lostone 05-04-04, 10:21 PM	Haven't played any Gestalt, so not completely sure of all the specifics, but Rogue/Sorcerer sprang to mind. Charisma is important to both, Rogues typically wear light armor (so low spell failure), use sorcerer spells to spell up the rogue (improved invisibility, cat's grace, blink, etc), to constantly deny enemies Dex bonus for sneak attacks, and use other spells for enemies that are immune to sneak attacks or to protect from abilities they have. Could you Sneak Attack with magic missile? If so, send one missile at each enemy, for up to 5 sneak attacks in one attack!
Nazzareth 05-05-04, 07:26 AM	These are class combos fighter/mage type Hexblade 20 with Battle sorcerer 15 and havoc mage 5 or maybe archmage. Shadow mage Wizard specialized in Necro or illusion 5, Shadow adept 10, archmage 5, with sorcerer 10 shadow mage 10(the one in the underdark guide). Sneak Human or Tiefling Shadow walker Rogue 3, Battle sorcerer or bard 5, Arcane trickster 10, Shadow Dancer 2 with figther or Ranger 14, shadow lord 6.
Nazzareth 05-05-04, 09:19 AM	Sorry the sneak is broken it should be Sneak Human or Tiefling Shadow walker Rogue 3, Battle sorcerer or bard 7, Arcane trickster 10, with figther or Ranger 12, shadow lord 6, Shadow Dancer 2.
FenixZero 05-05-04, 09:26 AM	Originally posted by strenoth actually, Sneack Attack counts as the same ability form btoh classes. Sorry dude, it is a cool concept., but the rulesare that you only have 10d6 SA at 20th level. otherwise, a cleric/paladin would end up having a turning power of a 37th level cleric at 20th level. They would stack together. It says so in the Dragon Mag. sudden strike is weaker then SA you can only do it to a Dex-denied baddie, and you can do the same with SA, so if they denied their Dex 20d6 if not 10d6. Still good both ways if you ask me. FenixZero
Lord_Anthrax 05-05-04, 09:39 AM	One idea I plan exploring in my next campaign is a Githzerai Fighter-Monk/Psychic Warrior-Soulknife. Thinking a F-M 4/PW-S 16 would be a good one, since that gets a +16 BAB at 20th Level. Concept is the alien warrior battling with skill, speed, agility and glowing blades of the mind, flipping and rolling around foes and slashing them to bits with twin psi-shortswords. Another is an Ogre Fighter-Barbarian/Barbarian-Frenzied Berzerker. HD from hades, and rage-a-licious battle madness. And lostone, you can only Sneak Attack with weaponlike spells. Since Magic Missile doesn't require an attack roll, you can't SA with it. Now, something like Scorching Ray, OTOH... :cool:
Kaiosama214 05-05-04, 02:54 PM	If I'm not mistaken, Fighter + Psionic Warrior from XPH = Feat at every level. Either way, I love the idea of a Monk/PsiWar or a Monk/ Psi; the powers and abilities seem to fit so well...
Kaiosama214 05-05-04, 02:58 PM	Loadstone, try that with the Orb spells from T&B. The higher you go in levels, the more shots you get (i.e. Magic Missile)
Bluebrush 05-06-04, 06:18 AM	Originally posted by Count Arioch the 28th All you would need is a dinosaur animal companion for the druid levels, and then there would be no stopping your character. It would be a combo that can't be beat, like mixing booze and liquor. (10 points if you indentify the quote.) Yeagar, from the greatest Nodwick cartoon to date.
Nifft 05-07-04, 11:32 AM	Druid / Psychic Warrior: Claws of Energy / the Vampire / Truevenom. 'Nuff said. Rogue / Psion (Telepath): You can't even see me, but I know what you're thinking. Hmm, this would be an excellent BBEG... I agree about Monk/Psion -- it's a great combo, very flavorful. However, I've analyzed the Monk/PsiWar, and found it lacking. The PsiWar isn't so good about augmenting unarmed strikes, unless you can convince your DM that they are either Claws (not just natural weapons) or manufactured weapons. (Hmm, actually, the PHB seems to indicate that they can be treated as either. Okay, PsiWar/Monk is cool again -- but remember to take Weapon of Energy, etc. not Claws of XXX!) -- N
inthane 05-08-04, 11:48 PM	I'm all about the Monk/Druid -> Monk/Shifter. Try Monk 5/Druid 5 -> Monk 10/Shifter 10 This gives you: 15 levels of Monk+ 5 levels of Druid spells+ The ability to turn into just about any damn thing you want. Ever wonder what the grapple check of a storm giant monk is? :D
Jandor1 05-09-04, 09:28 AM	How about a fighter/warmage? lotsa big booms, full BAB, decent saves, good HP and lots of feats. Or a Paladin of Slaughter/Warmage Or how about a rogue/assasin/ninjaspy/psiwarrior? throw in master thrower :D and you get a Naruto like running up the walls, slinging shrikens, teleporting ninja of goodness. That could just be COOL. Swashbuckler/Illusionist? uses his spells to make his swordplay even more impressive and intimidating. plus his high INT helps damage.
Retsej Esiw 05-09-04, 09:12 PM	Psion//Wizard Both need INT But if you roll high in all scores take Monk//Psion. I know from personal experience that it freakin rules!!
K.O.E.G 05-11-04, 09:54 PM	Chaos Mnk(Quint monk, I believe?)/Rog, multiclassing into Invisible blade(With DM ruling unarmed strikes as the weapon for IB) Crazy AC, All Good Saves, now stick SA on a monk that can feignt as a free action, and, through rules lawyering of a high degree, Improved Evasion at Level 2. Ninja Incarnate!
RoastSlinky 05-12-04, 12:35 AM	Hexblade/Witch (variant Sorceror spell list, DMG) Curses, curses, and more curses. Plus, with a single Hexblade's Curse, you can stop somebody from beating your Spell DCs.
Frozen Yakman 05-13-04, 03:15 AM	Fighter/Psychic Warrior w/ VoP from BoED. The feat monger.
Jandor1 05-13-04, 11:22 AM	Fighter/Rogue Feat Varient (from UA) with VoP. That is the feat monger. non human with 38 feats at level 20? w00t. :D Human with 40? now we're talking. 5 feats at level 1? mehehehe... Plus he would have 8+ int mod skills, perfect BAB, he wouldn't need items, good reflex/fort saves, and with that many feats iron will is not out of the question. Flavor wise, you have the perfect wandering swordsman. Like Mitsurugi from Kenshin. Just walks around, minding his buisness, and killing those foolish enough to challenge him. to really min/max him you could throw in some monk or iaijutsu master levels...adding your intelligence mod to Armor as well as your dex and wisdom (plus the bonus from VoP) would be wonderful...
eethkoth 05-13-04, 03:20 PM	Fighter/Monk --> Weapons Master/Monk Obviously the weapon you would master would be unarmed strikes. Aside from the weapon focus/specialization tree, take grappling and trip feats. Get in close to the wizard, grapple the sucker and pummel him for all he's worth. You get a ton of feats (particularly with the 3.5 edition of the monk), enhanced speed, unamored AC d10 hit die, a good skill list with 4 points to spend a level. It's a lot of fun. Speaking from experience.
DarkThoughts24 05-14-04, 09:11 PM	i like the warmage. maybe make a wilder/warmage. get to wear good armor, have good touch ac, dencent bab nice skills and destructive glory
TMPikachu 05-15-04, 11:31 AM	Wizard/Sorceror twice (almost) the number of spells, hurrah! Though you'd need equally good Cha and Int to make it work.
Riznar 05-16-04, 09:55 AM	When did this thread become about min/maxing and not about style? In our up and coming gestalt ninja game, I'm going to play a female Swashbuckler/Rogue/Assassin//Enchanter who uses two war fans. I will roxor your boxors and then kill you with them.:D
Jandor1 05-17-04, 11:22 AM	I like that build, Riznar. it should make for much l33t smackage. :D Try this on for size: Fighter/Rogue. He slices, he dices, he makes julien fries. He's a miracle worker. with bonus feats and 8+ skills per level...:devil: Armor check penalty? I'll give you armor check penalty! Seriously, this makes for a cool combat moves. it r0x0r!
ShadowRanger 05-17-04, 12:30 PM	psion/monk, or psywar/monk. Both psionic classes can survive without armor, in addition they can augment a monks natural attacks, plus of all the PHB classes monks are probably the closest flavorwise to psions.
lostone 05-19-04, 10:20 AM	Don't remember this one getting thrown out: Monk20/Spellcaster5/Shadow Adept10/Fighter5 End result is two level 20 monks, each being protected by Shield of Shadows, doing 2d10 damage plus any fighter feats to improve unarmed fighting (weapon specialization) or anything else, with some spells to augment their abilities. Plus it'd be pretty cool to see a shadow monk ;). I'm going off memory here, might need to increase spellcaster (wizard or sorcerer) levels a few, but I think I recall looking at it and thinking 5 was all that was needed.
Zorachus 05-19-04, 02:54 PM	I like this one: Start with a Gloaming (Underdark race), and do a specialist wizard (Illusionist) with the variants from Unearthed Arcana. Select all 3. Then, taking lots of Search and Hide: 1 - Rogue 1 / Wizard 1 2 - Rogue 2 / Wizard 2 3 - Rogue 3 / Wizard 3 4 - Rogue 4 / Wizard 4 5 - Rogue 5 / Wizard 5 6 - Rogue 6 / Wizard 6 7 - Gatecrasher 1 / Wizard 7 8 - Gatecrasher 2 / Wizard 8 9 - Gatecrasher 3 / Wizard 9 10 - Rogue 7 / Planeshifter 1 11 - Rogue 8 / Planeshifter 2 12 - Rogue 9 / Planeshifter 3 13 - Rogue 10 / Shadowcatcher 1 14 - Rogue 11 / Shadowcatcher 2 15 - Rogue 12 / Shadowcatcher 3 16 - Rogue 13 / Shadowcatcher 4 17 - Rogue 14 / Shadowcatcher 5 18 - Rogue 15 / Shadowcatcher 6 19 - Rogue 16 / Shadowcatcher 7 20 - Rogue 17 / Shadowcatcher 8 You end up with a character with formidable Rogue skills, including the ability to make Search checks for portals and then force portals open. You also get 19 caster levels of Illusionist, heavily boosted in effectiveness via the Shadowcatcher class. In addition, the variant options of the UA Illusionist augment the Hide skill considerably, arguably better than even a Shadowdancer's abilities would. Lastly, the character gets the Planar Survival (Ex) ability, so he can function in all the odd places he may roam. Of course, this isn't taking into account the +2 level adjustment for a Gloaming. I am assuming for this example that it would be bought off via UA optional rules. Anyhow, thematically, it seems like fun to me.
Zorachus 05-19-04, 02:57 PM	Ok, that would be shadowcrafter . I have been reading too much Black Company.
Frozen Yakman 05-19-04, 10:17 PM	Cleric/Eidioloncer would be fun. Cast all spells at double caster level.
fish_heads 05-19-04, 11:42 PM	Would you be able to set up a build balancing monk, psion, elocator, and thrallherd? That would be sweet. Float above the battlefield and have your thralls kill stuff. or even better, if your thrall is a rogue, use your elocator abilities to threaten it while you're still out of range, and then your thrall can sneak attack the hell out of it. Of course, I have no details on this yet...
fish_heads 05-20-04, 12:18 AM	Okay, I think I figured it out. with this build, assuming you take the correct feats and skill points (I didn't note them here, but you also need to be human to get the extra feat here), you will end up as a 20th level manifester, monk 16, elocator 10, thrallherd 5, psion 9. 1 Monk/Psion 2 Monk/Psion 3 Monk/Psion 4 Monk/Psion 5 Monk/Psion 6 Psion/Thrallherd 7 Monk/Elocator 8 Psion/Elocator 9 Monk/Elocator 10 Monk/Elocator 11 Psion/Elocator 12 Monk/Thrallherd 13 Monk/Thrallherd 14 Monk/Thrallherd 15 Monk/Thrallherd 16 Monk/Elocator 17 Monk/Elocator 18 Psion/Elocator 19 Monk/Elocator 20 Monk/Elocator Of course, as long as you take Thrallherd before elocator, you can sorta mix it up, but that's the progression I figured out. I worked it so that the psion is paired up with the prestige classes on the levels that they don't get manifesting ability boosts
flyingmoose 05-20-04, 03:06 AM	Monk/Cleric of Law. Buddhist priest.
Serene Selene 05-26-04, 12:04 AM	Paladin of Tyranny/Enchanter Specialist (Variant). Not only would you be able to grind into dust who ever opposes your authority, but you can easily move up the social status ladder with your mind bending spells. I hate to say this - but it is so blatantly obvious. Paladin of Tyranny or Slaughter/Necromancer Specialist (Variant). Shadow Knight so horribly stolen from EverQuest, it makes me convulse thinking it's possible in D&D.
MaverickWolf 05-26-04, 05:26 PM	Fighter/XPH Soulknife - The ultimate in weapon specialization. And then there's the infinite coolness factor of a weapon that you can do this with: "Now you see it......Now you don't....Or do you?" Monk/Rogue - Ninja incarnate without prestige classes. Monk/Fighter - So you can make a weapon out of thin air? Well, I don't even need to do that...
Ertai Planeswalker 05-27-04, 10:29 AM	I like the following concept: Human Paragon3/Cloistered Cleric19/Sorcerer 5/Planeshifter 8/Archmage 5. That's your ultimate Planeswalker right there.
Bluntpencil2001 06-08-04, 06:14 PM	Monk / Wizard or sorceror, reminds me of Nakor from Raymond Feist's novels. No armour, no problem - add in eschew materials and vow of poverty... voila, a near-naked unhittable zen-wizard that is as hard as steel and shoots fire while punching you in the face!!!
lostone 06-08-04, 10:44 PM	This is more than just gestalt for this character concept, it came to me and made me laugh out loud...a halfling paladin wizard, with a familiar that is a phoenix (like Fawkes in Harry Potter). The halfling has the phoenix grip him by the shoulders and fly, the halfling uses a small lance and attacks with "mounted" combat techniques.
werewullfe3 06-11-04, 07:18 PM	I'm playing a gnome bard/psion right now who will take on the Pyro PrC (XHB). This little guy has the strange compulsion to burn anything he writes, burn any libraries or schools he has studied in, and, well, burn anything of creative interest he has taken part in.
K.O.E.G 06-11-04, 08:53 PM	I'm in love with My PsyWar/Mnk Thri-Kreen, he's walking murder. He went 1 on 1 with the Party's Ftr/Bbn and smacked him down in about three rounds.
Moonstonedragon 06-12-04, 01:03 AM	Shes not very strong, but I have a samurai/sohei, shes going to go Iaijutsu master for her samurai half and stay sohei the whole way up.
Part-Human2 06-12-04, 03:58 AM	Mr. Skills & Feats Human Fighter 20/Rogue 20 with Nymph's Kiss from BoED and that's around 12 Skill Points/Level and using the UA variant for Rogues getting Feats instead of Sneak Attack that's around 30 Feats at 20th level. Get more Feats still by taking a couple of Flaws and getting Vow of Poverty for +10 Exaulted Feats.
GoodTeletubby 06-12-04, 11:17 AM	paladin of slaughter/sorcerer not only can you blow everything to pieces, you have absoloutely no reason not to especially if using the vitality spellpool options as well, just carry a bunch of potions of lesser restoration
Azhran 06-13-04, 01:03 PM	Start off with Fighter/Bard, Change into a War Chanter/Bard.
Romers 06-13-04, 09:10 PM	Fighter/Psion all the way Sorcerer/Psion into Hathran//Thrallherd Commoner/Racial Paragon/Survivor/ actual PC class (yeah yeah whatever, a human commoner with a scythe is still a threat)
Jandor1 06-14-04, 03:48 PM	For real evil, there is the fighter/dwarven defender/kineticist... get yourself an amulet of quickened true strike, and with improved combat expertise your AC is through the roof... then you sit back and fry everything out of your range and smack what comes close... :schemes:
Cathon 06-14-04, 09:14 PM	If you'd like to be an inspiration to others, try a Marshal/Bard! What the heck, I'll be spontaneous and suggest Favored Soul/Sorceror...
SirisC 06-14-04, 09:20 PM	a schizophrenic gesalt Paladin of Freedom/Paladin of Tyrrany. Kinda dumb idea but could be interesting to play. (The personality change at DM's discresion)
Nazzareth 06-14-04, 11:40 PM	this is a nasty battle mage firepower combo Battle Sorcerer 20\ Wargemage 15, Archmage 5 For the a dragon Based character Take a Major Dragon Blooded Blood Line with Druid 20\ Sorcerer or Battle Sorcerer 7, Dragon Disciple 10, Half-Dragon Paragon 3. Take the Dragon wildshape Feat from the Draconomicon, try squeezing in a level or two of Warshaper or Natures warrior if you like. For great Lawfull good wandering Holy Warrior Monk 10, Shintao Monk10\ Samurai 10, Iaijutsu Master 10. For a combat monk Monk 15, Shou Disciple 5\ fighter 10, Kensai 10. Use the kensai to enchant your Unarmed attacks your flurry will deadly due to the high base attack bonus, 20,20,20,15,10,5. For the utlimate TWF Samurai Monk 15, Shou Disciple 5\ Samurai 10, Dragon Sword Master 10 or Mirumoto Niten Master 10 Take OA Samurai for an enchented Daisho go for speed weapon enhancement for the katana and defence for the Wakizashi. Take all the TWF fighting feats The TWF which can combine with the flurry thanks to the shou disciple TWF flurry Katana (18*)18,18,18,13,8,3 +Wakizashi 18,13,8 *speed weapon Not only do you have great attacks you can boost you AC to high levels. The Mirumoto Niten Master gains plus +6 AC armour (+11 AC with +5 Defending Wakizashi) with the born duelist feat if you use the Wakizashi as a sheild and do not attack with it. The Dragon Sword Master gains +4 AC armour (+9 AC with +5 Defending Wakizashi) When TWF and can make off hand attacks Your AC can be pumped up higher by these feats Born Duelist +1 Ac to Mirumoto Niten Masters Niten Technique ability or +1 to the Way of the Dragon Feat The Way of the Dragon Feat adds +2 dodge bonus to your AC when TWF, it can be taken more than once each time adding +1 AC dodge bonus. The Monk 15, Shou Disciple 5 is good base to use for any unmarmoured melee character combine it with Samurai 10, Iaijutsu Master for a great unarmoured Samurai. fighter or Rogue 10, Duelist 10 makes for a massive Duelist. fighter 10, Dervish 10 is nasty. rogue 10, Assassin 10 for a ninja type Wizard or Sorcerer X with PRC X great unarmed & Unarmoured battle mage
Nifft 06-15-04, 12:13 AM	Fighter // Druid who puts all his Feats into Claw and Bite weapons would be cool. He'd be a "combat animal". He'd also have enough Feats to emulate a lot of animal abilities (Improved Trip vs. Trip, Improved Grapple vs. Improved Grab, etc.). -- N
Commander of Chaos 06-16-04, 04:02 PM	try out this combo wiz1/swashbuckler 3/ paragon 3/ bladesinger 10/ spellsword 10/ eldrish knight 3/ archmage 2 youy get full spellcasting levels if you do it right along with full or almost full BAB. This combined with armor, spell channeling, insane AC and the ability to kick the crap out of dragons if you take a brilliant energy weapon.
BalancedOne 06-16-04, 04:28 PM	Sorcerror20-Fighter7(or Rogue7)/Dragon Disciple10/Half-Dragon Paragon3 playing one now (lv13) its a blast(har!har!)
Riznar 06-16-04, 05:09 PM	Originally posted by Commander of Chaos try out this combo wiz1/swashbuckler 3/ paragon 3/ bladesinger 10/ spellsword 10/ eldrish knight 3/ archmage 2 youy get full spellcasting levels if you do it right along with full or almost full BAB. This combined with armor, spell channeling, insane AC and the ability to kick the crap out of dragons if you take a brilliant energy weapon. You can't take two PrC at the same time with Gestalt, and you can't take classes that essentially combine two classes like Eldrich Knight. :mad:
castlemike 06-16-04, 11:13 PM	A Battle Spell Caster/Shair or Shair/Psion for flavor in a typical medieval campaign as a foreign and exotic spellcaster (while I prefer the 2E Arabian Adventures Shair the Dragon #315 will also work) or consider the rather deadly and versatile Battle Spellcaster/Psion. Battle Spellcaster vice the UA Battle Sorcerer (Int and all known spell lists for spell choices, D8, Good BAB, Martial Weapon Choice, Light Armor proficiency with no arcane spell failure and choice of an Animal Companion or a familiar or other feat at level one and other levels as per UA). Psion (Int) with the level 4 Psychic Reformation power and one or two feats devoted to Expanded Knowledge (for other useful discipline power access without having to spend 50 exp to constantly change the other discipline powers). For a mere 50 exp you can change your character's skills, powers, feats, known spells anew from previous levels daily or situational if necessary and no casting failure in armor and packing some really neat tricks. Shair gens retrieving spell and basically unlimited spell access with a little waiting with some nifty feats/abilities and genies. Add the Vow of Poverty at first level as a human or second level depending on feat choices (Say taking the MoF spell fire wielder feat or other) if you want to go Uber Itinerent Wanderer Surprise package. With the psionic ramping and energy choices you can choose some really interesting non battle type spells for known spell caster spells. With just two spell choices you could create your own daily food and shelter requirements while addressing many of the VoP constraints. Obtaining spell pool access grants limited daily access to all known spells. Taking "Anyspell and or Anyspell Greater" from PGTF with friendly wizardly associates who allow you to read his or her spell books also really increases access to more known spells. With a few healing type spell choices you could travel as an adept/holy healer which would ensure lodging at many/most churches or local notables as PC reputation precedes and your PC becomes known for his or her generosity for free or minimal healing charges (loaf of bread, chicken, skin of wine, room for the night or a few nights.......) or lodging at the inn with some skill points in perform with magical and illusionary performances superior to the passing bard.
Jandor1 06-17-04, 12:51 AM	Lets see... Cleric/Monk...The wandering Holy man who will use a quickend inflict spell with flurry of blows... :schemes: Paladin/fighter/calvalier/dragonrider with a gold dragon mount... or more DM friendly version: Paladin/Fighter/Griffonrider of Algarond. Your griffon mount will get double extra bonuses from Paladin and Griffonrider, plus lots of mounted combat feats from fighter. Wizard/Psion (duh... :D ) Paladin/Cleric/Radient Servant of Pelor... the ultimate in divine :censored: kicking. And a good party booster. Monstrous humanoid/druid/hexblade/hexer. The ultimate voodoo doctor. Or exchange hexblade for necromancer for a more evil clut feel. :88E: Finally, the 3.0 animal companion rules mixed with a Druid/Tamer of Beasts/Ranger (the squirril master! :rolleyes: ) :angel:
Jandor1 06-17-04, 12:53 AM	thats squirrel.... :banghead:
K@los 06-20-04, 01:37 PM	I'd go for Ranger 20/Sorcerer10/Bladesinger10 - not the most powerful by fits really well with the whole concept of bladesingers (who ever heard of elves needing to read books to cast maigc!!!) Kal
K@los 06-20-04, 01:44 PM	Secopnd thoughts, just make those Sorcerer levels wizard level using UA's spell point system - prefect! Kal
cowdragon 06-20-04, 06:40 PM	Don't know if anybody said it yet, and I know some around here excpect it from me so here goes. Level\Classes 1)Battle Sorcerer/Human Paragon 2)Human Paragon/Hexblade 3)Human Paragon/Hexblade 4)Battle Sorcerer/Hexblade 5)Battle Sorcerer/Rogue 6)Battle Sorcerer/Rogue 7)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 8)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 9)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 10)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 11)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 12)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 13)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 14)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 15)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 16)Battle Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple 17)Battle Sorcerer/Hexblade 18)Battle Sorcerer/Hexblade 19)Archemage/Hexblade 20)Archemage/Hexblade Mettle, Evasion, Bonus Spells, Natural Armour, Natural Attacks, Breath Weapon, Wings, Bonus Feats, Faster Move, Light Armour, Very Good Spellcasting Ability, Minor Curse. Fun Fun Fun. The Cowdragon :mage:
lostone 06-21-04, 10:11 AM	What is this Battle Sorcerer I'm seeing? At first I was thinking it was just a sorcerer who picked spells specifically for battle, but now I'm seeing it used as a base class, so I'm not sure...did I miss this in a new book somewhere?
Contrast 06-21-04, 10:20 AM	Unearthed Arcana Page 56
Hand of Vecna 06-21-04, 10:45 PM	Barbarian/Bard -- I give you GWAR.
jkovacik 06-24-04, 12:47 PM	Re: Barbarian/Bard - my girlfriend is playing a gnome barbarian/bard who refers to her gnome god as "Fancy-pants-dance the Dome Gnome". She likes to sing and dance and smash kneecaps with her warhammer, and she's got a mean temper. In other words, female barbarian/bard = diva. *nod*
Riznar 06-24-04, 12:59 PM	One of my players played a Barbarian/Bard recently as a sort of Wiseman His tribe was really isolated and didn't have much contact with the outside world. So he was on a journey to travel and become wise and worldly, so that he could return are share his knowledge with the tribe.
Jandor1 06-24-04, 03:36 PM	that's a cool take on the concept.
jagggar 06-24-04, 09:02 PM	Cleric/Barbarian using the whirling frenzy variant. Dunno, just think that would really freak the crap out of some enemies. I see using two handaxes or a battleaxe and a handaxe. Wizard 20/Monk 10/Panther Shen 10 Panther Shen PrC comes from Dragon 319, as well as the first feat this character is taking, Kung Fu Genius which allows you to use your INT instead of your WIS for all monk abilities. Panther Shen lets you at 10th level to take an AoO at an enemy whenever he misses in melee. Cast, dodge their AoO, teach whoever why they shouldn't mess with you when you're casting.
lostone 06-25-04, 10:23 PM	Sorry for the cross post, realized this would be a better thread for this question. Cross-posted from http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242936&perpage=30&pagenumber=2 Has anyone used Gestalt rules in Eberron yet? I realize it's supposed to be a lower power world, and was curious if anyone had done this. Does the group completely outclass everything? Any cool combinations you've discovered when using Eberron races and classes?
bahamut_0 06-26-04, 12:58 PM	Originally posted by lostone Sorry for the cross post, realized this would be a better thread for this question. Cross-posted from http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242936&perpage=30&pagenumber=2 Has anyone used Gestalt rules in Eberron yet? I realize it's supposed to be a lower power world, and was curious if anyone had done this. Does the group completely outclass everything? Any cool combinations you've discovered when using Eberron races and classes? I was actually wondering this myself, I'm starting an Eberron game soon.
masterofmayhem 06-27-04, 02:20 AM	Fencer (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=223550) 20/ Variant Rogue 4/ Swashbuckler 3/ Duelist(and epic duelist) 13 :angel: :bounce: EDIT: Originally posted by Hand of Vecna Barbarian/Bard -- I give you GWAR. barbarian/bard= a bardarian! "Me smash with shiny lute! *TWANG* *CRUNCH*":D
cowdragon 06-27-04, 07:43 AM	Warmage/Battle Sorcerer. So many spells, so few targets! The Cowdragon :mage:
Contrast 06-27-04, 09:53 AM	Fighter + Bard. KABONG!!
Jandor1 06-27-04, 12:37 PM	master, keep in mind you cannot go epic untill after CL 20. you could give him three more levels of variant rogue (and thus 2 more feats), or maybe exotic weapon master (if your using an elven thinblade, for example). Check this out: Rogue 20/Fighter 2/Swashbuckler 3/Exotic Weapon Master 1/Invisible Blade 5/Duelist 9 The ultimate kukri wielding dagger fighter of doom! :devil:
Jandor1 06-27-04, 12:39 PM	master, keep in mind you cannot go epic untill after CL 20. I like the idea, however. Maybe you could give him three more levels of variant rogue (and thus 2 more feats), or exotic weapon master (if your using an elven thinblade, for example). Check this out: Rogue 20/Fighter 2/Swashbuckler 3/Exotic Weapon Master 1/Invisible Blade 5/Duelist 9 The ultimate kukri wielding dagger fighter of doom! :devil:
Jandor1 06-27-04, 12:44 PM	monkey, double post :banghead:
kazle1 06-27-04, 02:02 PM	I just thought of a very evil combo. Monk/psion just talk vop and be use fission make your self your own army.
masterofmayhem 06-27-04, 07:56 PM	Originally posted by Jandor1 master, keep in mind you cannot go epic untill after CL 20. Right, I was recently told that on another thread where I had asked the very same question. Instead of more variant rogue, though, I would have to say to take some sort of paragon class. Originally posted by Jandor1 Check this out: Rogue 20/Fighter 2/Swashbuckler 3/Exotic Weapon Master 1/Invisible Blade 5/Duelist 9 The ultimate kukri wielding dagger fighter of doom! :devil: You do know that the Duelist's precise strike ability only works with piercing weapons, right? For any slashing weapons, I would suggest you go dervish. :fight!:
Jandor1 06-27-04, 09:22 PM	you know, that's not a half bad idea at all...kudos! I sense evil.... :88E: :rolleyes:
Canadian-Eh? 06-28-04, 07:02 PM	20 Level Base Class (ie. Fighter) Half ogre 1/ Half Dragon 3/ Half dragon paragon 3/ Greater gold dragon Bloodline (3) / 10 level PrC Just think of the +16? Str bonus (don't have my books) Any thoughts?
Riznar 06-28-04, 08:17 PM	Well unless you've got those 20 base class levels, you're only going to have a BAB of +3, which is pretty lousy.
cowdragon 06-29-04, 12:59 AM	Warmage 1-20 Fighter 1-5 Dragon Disciple 6-15 Fighter 16-20 You're not a utility mage by a long shot, but you can nuke till the cows come home. And when you're done, you can rip stuff up with whatever weapon is handy and just have a good ole time. :) Add in a greater dragon bloodline and you're even cooler. The Cowdragon :mage:
BalancedOne 07-02-04, 09:30 AM	Artificer(Ebberon)/Rogue Use Skills to make a tinker charicter, now those wands of Ray of Frost/Acid Splash, ect... have a better use- Sneak Attack!!!!
Nifft 07-02-04, 10:05 AM	Here's one I haven't seen yet: Half-Dragon Paladin of Dooooom! One side is Paladin20. The other side is Ftr4, Sorc1 (True Strike, Feather Fall), Dragon Disciple10, Half-Dragon Paragon 3, and then two levels of any Paladin-ish PrC that you desire. Trick: Put your "+1 spell slot" Dragon Disciple bonuses into your Paladin spellcasting. End result: Half-Dragon Paladin20 with HD 10d10 and 10d12, and you get a very cool concept to RP ("I am the true chosen son of Bahamut!" or something nifty like that). (Note: I like Paladins for RP.) -- N
lostone 07-02-04, 11:04 AM	I thought you were supposed to keep spell progressions seperate, so your paladin 20 couldn't get benefit from the other side of the gestalt tree. You'd have to apply the +1 spell to the 1 level of sorcerer. Or am I mistaken?
Azhran 07-02-04, 11:23 AM	The dragon disciple only grants bonus spell slots, so I don't think there'd be a lot of trouble giving it to the paladin
Nifft 07-02-04, 12:27 PM	I've seen builds on the CharOpt board that were: Pal4/Sor1/DD10, where each DD bonus spell slot was used for 1st level Paladin spells -- focused on using Bless Weapon many times per day. :) Thus, I'm pretty sure it's okay. The more frightening question becomes, what about a Cleric20//Pal9/Sor1/DD10? Ability score boosts, decent Mount, and bonus spell slots for high-level Cleric spells. That's more of a Power build than a Coolness build, though. ;) -- N
Ferrix 07-02-04, 02:28 PM	a friend is trying this one out monk/ranger - twf/flurry madness, he's also Exalted and focused on fighting undead with his ranger favored enemy. He crushes undead in melee something frightening. It also makes for an interesting wilderness monk concept. druid/rogue - wildshape into a cat, sneak attack! oh the amusement, oh yeah... lotsa skill points and whoever would think that cat was the guy who stole the kings ransom ;-) ranger/rogue - a great wilderness scout, tracker and huntsman, switch to urban ranger for a great in city bounty hunter type druid/ranger - wilderness what? swashbuckler/bard - i sing and i dance and you die with no chance... could be a fun combo for a dilettante type character fighter/rogue - can we say a greatly skilled tactical fighter (improved trip looks awfully good now doesn't it?)
Kaiosama214 07-02-04, 02:56 PM	Fighter + Soulknife = and assload of feats, full BAB, and a free, +9 ranged OR melle weapon that works in an AMF Psionic warrior + Soulkinfe = Same as above, but with powers instad of the Full BAB Psion20/Wilder10/Metamind10 = so many power points you don't know what to do with them Fighter20/Soulkinfe10/pyro10 = I'm sorry, did you say something? I couldn't hear you before I set you on FIRE!
Ice Wizard 07-02-04, 04:56 PM	Wilder/Sorceror. Can you say Cerebremancer on Steroids?
TimeWaster 07-05-04, 10:25 AM	Dex is for Wimps: Cleric 10/Contemplative 10:Ranger 20 Take Zen Archery and who cares if you have a 10 in Dex, you get all the cool Bow feats thanks to Ranger. Cleric can give you Weapon Focus (longbow) thanks to War doman. Make use of Rapid Shot knowing that your Animal Companion can still get you moving on the battlefield (and heal both of you with a single spontaneous cure spell to boot!). Tempted to wear Heavy Armour and blow your archery? Take a Cloistered Cleric instead and revel in your Bardic Knowledge, bonus Knowledge domain access, and ability to cast Identify as a 1st level spell for free! Grab a few levels of Human Paragon to boost your Wisdom even more. Now for something truly BIG: Psychic Warrior 20:Fighter 10/War Hulk 10 (or some other arrangement for the 10 levels of Fighter) Take Enlarge as one of your Psychic Warrior powers and then take levels of the War Hulk PrC. When you get large you get REALLY strong. When you aren't big, enjoy all of your skills and feats without the penalties of War Hulk. +20 to Strength AND +7 BAB has got to be cool! Now that's what I would call a Form of Doom! SjH
Jandor1 07-05-04, 01:39 PM	Arctic Dwarf Barbarian 1/Druid 19/Spirit Shaman 20. The crazy raging Viking shaman of DOOM! Fighter/Rogue (feat variant)/Barbarian/(Frenzied Berserker/Weapon Master). Using the rules for making really strong PrC's that take up both sides of the Gestalt tree, you specialize this guy with a scythe.... just think about that for a moment... :devil: Warmage/Ranger/Fighter/Arcane Archer. Shoot down your opponents with fireball arrows of DOOM! Rogue/Spymaster/Psion (Telepath)
bahamut_0 07-05-04, 02:31 PM	Originally posted by Ferrix druid/rogue - wildshape into a cat, sneak attack! oh the amusement, oh yeah... lotsa skill points and whoever would think that cat was the guy who stole the kings ransom ;-) Omg I love that one, have to try it out.
Nifft 07-05-04, 09:16 PM	Let's try these out for size: Dragonsinger: (combat bard) Bard 20 // Fighter 4 -> War Chanter 3 -> Dragon Disciple 10 -> Half-Dragon Paragon 3 Mage Stalker: (Elf or Half-Elf only) 1: Rgr1 // Wiz1 2: Rgr2 // Wiz2 3: Rgr3 // Wiz3 4: Rgr4 // Wiz4 5: Rog1 // Spellsword 1 6: Rog2 // Bladesinger 1 7: Rog3 // Dragonslayer 1 8: Wiz5 // Rgr5 9: Wiz6 // Occult Slayer 1 10: Wiz7 // Occult Slayer 2 11: Wiz8 // Occult Slayer 3 12: Wiz9 // Occult Slayer 4 13: Wiz10 // Occult Slayer 5 14: Wiz11 // Mindspy 1 15: Wiz12 // Mindspy 2 16: Wiz13 // Mindspy 3 17: Wiz14 // Mindspy 4 18: Wiz15 // Mindspy 5 19: Wiz16 // Arcane Archer 1 20: Wiz17 // Arcane Archer 2 Full spellcasting, BAB +20, HD d8 or d10 at every level, decent saves, and a bunch of special anti-mage abilities. Nature's Avenger: (caster level 17, BAB +17, 1: Drd1 // Rgr1 2: Drd2 // Rgr2 3: Drd3 // Rgr3 4: Drd4 // Rgr4 5: Drd5 // Rgr5 6: Rog1 // Nature's Warrior 1 7: Rog2 // Nature's Warrior 2 8: Rog3 // Nature's Warrior 3 9: Rog4 // Nature's Warrior 4 10: Rog5 // Nature's Warrior 5 11: Drd6 // Warshaper 1 12: Drd7 // Warshaper 2 13: Drd8 // Warshaper 3 14: Drd9 // Warshaper 4 15: Drd10 // Warshaper 5 16: Drd11 // Rog6 17: Drd12 // Rog7 18: Drd13 // Rog8 19: Drd14 // Rog9 20: Drd15 // Rog10 -- N
roll8dn 07-06-04, 04:32 AM	For pure skulking power, there is nothing to match the power of a Ranger20/Rogue20. One gets Camoflage, Hide in Plain Sight, Sneak Attack damage dice, multiple archery feats, and good skills. Max out Spot, Listen, Search, Hide, and Move Silently. Then take all of the Archery feats that you can get your hands on, and enchant your bow to +10 status, with a maximum (dependant upon one's strength) strength bonus. So, within 30 feet (just at the edge, if you want to survive), you take a shot at an evil Fighter20/Sorcerer20 with no elemental immunities (unlikely at this level, but just go with it). (Assume Str bonus of +2) You do 1d8+2(str)+5(enhancement)+1d6 (fire)+2d6 (holy)+1d6 (acid)+ 1d6 (exit wounding)+ 10d6 (sneak attack)+ 10 (favored enemy: humans). So, you end up with 1d8+17+15d6, with a maximum damage potential (barring criticals) of 115 per hit. This may not seem like much, but with the Ranger's Hide in Plain Sight ability, one could (theoretically) do this damage FIVE TIMES A ROUND. However, for flavor, I've always been a fan of the Spellsword. I'd personally go Dwarven Fighter 5/ Wizard 5, then go Spellsword 10/ Wizard 10, and finally go Fighter 5/ Archmage 5. It really is something when you go up against someone in shining plate armor and they turn out to be be able to blast you with Meteor Swarm whilst knocking the snot out of you with a Dwarven Waraxe. Just something funny about that... One I've always wanted to try is a gnome Bard 10/ Wizard10 and then go Bard 10/ Gnome Artificer 10 and invent the electric guitar. Can you see it? A gnome who does Dwarven drinking songs to Jimi Hendrix riffs? How funny would that be? Anywho, just some ideas...
Nifft 07-06-04, 06:46 AM	Okay, so consider this one as a "super-rogue": Ranger15 (TWF) -> Master Thrower // Rogue 15 -> Invisible Blade 5 (Obviously, you'd have to take either Master Thrower or Invisible Blade first, since you can't take both PrCs at the same time.) Or, the classic Halfling battle rogue: Ftr4 -> Swashbuckler 3 -> Master Thrower 5 -> Invisible Blade 5 -> Halfling Paragon 3 // Rogue20 -- N
Riznar 07-06-04, 04:31 PM	I thought of this one while in class today. Exalted Rogue/Cleric The battlefield medic, keep heal maxed because you're going to be treating a LOT of people. Also, since you'll be treating soldiers from both sides, a non-lethal sneak attack does wonders for the rowdy ones.
Riznar 07-07-04, 03:26 PM	Another one: Fighter20/Templates After volunteering for a magical experiment and having it go terribly wrong, your body is mutating uncontrolably. Now you are the tortured superhero! Use your fighter feats to keep up with your new abilities. Multiweapon Fighting and Flyby Attack seem like good ideas.
Elemental 07-09-04, 04:34 PM	Fighter / Monk. All the special features of the Monk, plus the BAB to ensure you can actually reliably hit people, and slightly increased HP. Plus, all those extra feats enable you to really go to town with Complete Warrior--Fists of Iron, Eagle Claw, Pain Touch, Prone Fighting, Close-Quarters Fighting, and all the rest of it.
Elemental 07-09-04, 04:36 PM	Originally posted by TimeWaster [b]Now for something truly BIG: Psychic Warrior 20:Fighter 10/War Hulk 10 (or some other arrangement for the 10 levels of Fighter) Take Enlarge as one of your Psychic Warrior powers and then take levels of the War Hulk PrC. When you get large you get REALLY strong. When you aren't big, enjoy all of your skills and feats without the penalties of War Hulk. +20 to Strength AND +7 BAB has got to be cool! Now that's what I would call a Form of Doom! SjH And take the Half-Green Dragon template. Two words to explain why-- "HULK SMASH!" ;)
lostone 07-09-04, 04:58 PM	:heehee I'm assuming War Hulk is in Complete Warrior? (I'm at work or I'd look before asking, but I don't remember anything about this class).
Dark Halo 07-11-04, 07:14 AM	No, it is in the Miniatures Handbook. Also, to qualify for this class you have to naturally be large or larger. I don't think a power/spell will allow it. However I DO loke the idea. Hmmmm.....:devil:
Korimyr the Rat 08-12-04, 06:01 AM	Paladin Monk 10 / Pious Templar Monk 10. The most superhumanly-dedicated character possible. You're also pretty much invulnerable to anything that requires a saving throw, you've got a good AC, some Damage Reduction, and the ability to heal yourself in several different ways. Ranger/Rogue. The best bounty hunter or assassin build possible. You can sneak, you can track, and you can break stuff. Be sure to take the Urban Tracking feat and keep both Survival and Gather Information maxed out-- you can find anything. If evil, you could replace Rogue with Assassin once you qualify-- but I don't see the point of doing so. Paladin/Favored Soul. Huge Charisma synergy, and all good saving throws. You're a representative of your deity's might-- both in your strong sword arm and in your magical prowess. At tenth level, if you're willing to give up wings and weapon specialization, you can switch to Paladin/Contemplative, and become even more otherwordly.
lostone 08-12-04, 05:31 PM	Monk, paladin, vow of poverty feat. You need no equipment, great fighting class, and can cast divine spells, not to mention getting a cool mount, and all the perks of Vow of Poverty (all the little people love you because you share the spoils of your adventures with them, all very Robin Hood like).
Golem1972 08-13-04, 03:16 AM	Monk 1/ Warmage 4/ Dweomerkeeper 10/ War Mage (PrC) 3/ Spell Dancer 1/ Mystic Wanderer 1 // Cleric 1/ Favored Soul 19 VoP, Monk AC and saves, Wish 4 times per day (Sp), Charisma to AC (or saves, can't remember add in 3 levels of Pally for both if AC), Int mod to spell damage dice +3/ damage die For a more martial/melee feel, replace Favored Soul with Paladin
Ao 08-13-04, 02:20 PM	Assuming that you are taking your class options from sources other than the players handbook. Marshal/Paladin-commander of the holy host. Perhaps a bit too Diablo. But I like it. Barbarian/Warmage-You might consider adding levels of the Rage Mage PrC to this but I think that there is a rule prohibiting gestalt characters from advancing in PrC's that are essentially class combos already. But that's okay, I consider taking PrC's akin to Munchkinism anyway.
KatsuoNova 08-18-04, 01:51 PM	what book is the favored soul in I'd never heard of it till this thread.
KatsuoNova 08-18-04, 02:05 PM	Hopefully I didn't miss this combination in all these pages. I'll try the Fighter-Psion Basically he's a psychic warrior and the pc I have playing this class now I have allowed him to spend his fighter bonus feats on psionic feats if he so chooses. could get out of had but we'll see. it'll be fun either way.
Alana Bloodwright 08-18-04, 09:17 PM	I think Favored Soul is in the Miniatures Handbook.
lostone 08-19-04, 04:44 PM	Favored Soul is in Complete Divine
eternus 08-22-04, 11:47 AM	Druid 20/Monk1/Rogue19 - You get all those fun monk things w/out losing a level in Druid. I was playing a Dru/Rogue in a recent campaign, it can really gimp the Druid to give up lvls, but when I got to be a rogue, it was a blast! I didn't like to draw blood, so the GM would let me castShillelagh on my Sap, I was tumbling Druid with Sneak Attack! The two work very well together except for the shapechange loss.
Lilt 08-24-04, 09:59 AM	Race: Feral Anthromorphic Giant Squid (Air Variant Race from UA) Str +12, Dex +6, Con +0, -4 Int, +6 Wis, -4 Cha LA +2 Buy-off LA at 9th and 12th level (21000 xp in total) 3 Monsterous Humanoid HD/Fighter 2/War Hulk 10/Hulking Hurler 3/Fighter 2 Cleric 20 Feel free to use your favourite cleric build to multiclass the cleric side, although -4 charisma cramps the style of Divine-feat heavy builds. Thuis build takes the Anthromorphic giant squid (8 tentacle attacks with 15-foot reach) out of the water (Breathless from the air variant race), gives it pounce, rake, and rend (feral), gives it +20 strength (on-top of the racial bonus, for total of +32), Clerical Buffing (Divine Power, Rhiteous Might, ETC) Add Multigrab and Improved Multigrab so that you can grapple 7 creatures simultaniously at no penalty (8 if you're willing to use your last tentacle, losing your 15-foot reach for AOOs). Combat reflexes allow you extra AOOs to grapple incoming opponents with. With Hulking Hurler's Really throw anything ability, you could probably even throw opponents you grapple (not sure about the rules on this though).
The Master Weaver Is Warped 09-02-04, 07:54 PM	I have this idea of a Druid/Bard sea captain. She is the ultimate charmer/leader of men as well as a sea captain with weather control. Sings raunchy sea chanties, and 'leave the crowd weeping' ballads. Swims like a fish, literally. Likes wearing pearls.
The Master Weaver Is Warped 09-02-04, 08:04 PM	barbarian/bard=Keith Moon
MetalGemini 09-05-04, 04:06 PM	Not sure if this one has been covered yet. Thread is getting pretty long! :D Monk 20/Paladin 5/Pious Templar 5/Kensai 10 Saves are outstanding from all good saves for monk, plus add your Wis mod and Cha mod from monk and paladin classes, respectively. And don't worry about those pesky "save for partial" spells, etc - evasion + mettle takes care of those. You get some spells from both Paladin and Templar. If you want more spells, add some Templar levels instead of Kensai. Kensai signature weapon is unarmed (of course) and you can enhance them as +10 (+5 enhancement +5 worth of special abilities) by the time you hit level 20. DR is 1/- and 10/magic. Lay on Hands from paladin + wholeness of body from monk = only need clerics healing when you are *really* in trouble. Oh, and don't forget smiting from paladin & templar. Isn't there a weapon special ability that gives smiting? Maybe tack that on with Kensai.
masterofmayhem 09-06-04, 11:48 AM	Doesn't Kensai require you to have a masterwork weapon as your signature weapon?
lostone 09-06-04, 06:15 PM	Doesn't Kensai require you to have a masterwork weapon as your signature weapon? You can specify unarmed (as was specified in the post).
rbingham2000 09-09-04, 12:23 AM	I like the concept of Gestalt Characters myself. Combining two classes opens up a lot of interesting character opportunities. For example, I like the Paladin/Monk. I'm just diggin' the concept of a guy who can smite the forces of evil with his kung fu instead of a Holy Avenger. Maybe he was taught his fighting style by the priesthood of his chosen god in the hopes of forging him into a powerful champion of good. Because he uses unarmed strikes, maybe one of his points of pride is the fact that he can end a fight effectively without resorting to killing and bloodshed. In fact, the only time this character uses the lethal disciplines of his order is when he's up against a foe of irredeemable evil, such as a fiend, an evil dragon, or an undead horror -- and against such foes, he is quite literally a holy terror.
Razorblade Smile 09-10-04, 09:25 AM	I've been tinkering around with the quintessential bladesinger myself. Here's the rough outline I have at the moment. 1st: Wizard/Ranger 2nd: Wizard/Ranger 3rd: Wizard/Ranger 4th: Wizard/Ranger 5th: Wizard/Fighter 6th: Bladesinger/Fighter 7th: Bladesinger/Wizard 8th: Bladesinger/Swashbuckler 9th: Bladesinger/Wizard 10th: Bladesinger/Swashbuckler 11th: Bladesinger/Wizard 12th: Bladesinger/Swashbuckler 13th: Bladesinger/Wizard 14th: Bladesinger/Elf Paragon 15th: Bladesinger/Elf Paragon 16th: Havoc Mage/Elf Paragon 17th: Havoc Mage/Bard 18th: Havoc Mage/Wizard 19th: Havoc Mage/Ranger 20th: Havoc Mage/Ranger This assumes the ranger is adopting the archery style of Combat Mastery as a rogue, too, in order to not only fill in the whole quintessential elf goodness, but to make him a little more versatile. It seems a pretty good build in theory so far. The Havoc Mage and Bladesinger really gel together nicely, and the build maintains full Wizard spell progression to the end and has a BAB of +19/+14/+9/+4 (fractional) all while keeping up with that elven vibe. Saving throws are killer, too. On top of that, Intelligence is affecting your spellcasting, your AC, and your damage all at the same time... wonder which sort of ability score boosts this character would be most after? :D I might end up readjusting some of the level progressions before I'm done, but overall I thought it was going to be a fun character (especially since I normally despise elves, but love stereotypical characters).
MetalGemini 09-10-04, 06:16 PM	Whats with the single level of bard at 17th? typo? I'm suggest swapping that out for another wizard level.
lostone 09-10-04, 06:46 PM	Maybe it's supposed to be Barb (barbarian) not Bard? For that one use of Rage when needed?
Razorblade Smile 09-10-04, 07:11 PM	Whats with the single level of bard at 17th? typo? I'm suggest swapping that out for another wizard level. No, it's bard. One more full BAB progression wouldn't net me anything since we use the fractional BAB rules, so a dedicated warrior class wouldn't net me anything. That particular level of the Havoc Mage also includes a spellcasting level increase, so another level of Wizard would have been completely wasted. The Havoc Mage has both Fortitude and Will as good saving throws, so Barbarian wouldn't really help (especially since Rage sucks for a dedicated caster like this), an odd Fighter level would only get a BAB boost, and a Paladin of Freedom (while an interesting option) just didn't seem to fit quite so well with what I had in mind. If I did go Paladin of Freedom, I'd replace the last two Ranger levels with it as well. After looking at all of those options, I next considered the Rogue class, but the Bard ended up seeming more fitting for the concept with its bardic music as well as (by pumping a bunch of skill points that level into it) letting me get a greatly improved Perform skill or two. I guess I could also replace it with the Rogue variant that uses Fighter feats in place of Sneak Attack damage. Can't go wrong with an extra feat. But again, the boost to the Reflexes and Will saving throw and the class features just seemed to fit better to me.