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domain wizard [Archive] - Wizards Community

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giova
02-21-04, 07:01 AM the domain wizard has no drawback?
why a player should play a wizard if a domain wizard is similar, with some bonus spell?
stone_dog
02-21-04, 07:18 AM Well, there will be games with and without domain wizards, but I don't think that a DM allowing domain wizards would see many normal wizards since they don't have drawbacks.

In the end though, the player doesn't get to make that decision though.
DarkThoughts24
02-21-04, 10:43 AM cuz a dm using a domain wizard may grant a wizard 3 free spells a level instead of 2 or soem other tweak domain wizards ar optional stuff a dm might toss in as an excuse to tweak the standard egghead wizard
Kastas
02-21-04, 02:45 PM You're right, there's no real reason to play a standard wizard when domain wizards are available. This may be overpowerd compared to a regular wizard, but consider it when compared to a specialist. The specialist also gets one free spell per day of each level, but they actually get to choose from a list of several. The fact that a specialist looses access to two schools is somewhat of a balancing factor, but a player that cares about their character's combat performance can easily choose two schools that aren't going to hinder them greatly.

In my next campaign, I plan to simply remove the standard wizard completely and have any wizard select either a domain or a specialization.
Doomhawk
02-21-04, 11:44 PM But a specialist doesn't get extra spells known in their chosen school, nor do they cast with added effectiveness from their chosen school...

What I was considering for the Domain Wizard was that instead of an extra spell slot of each level, one spell slot at each level HAS to be used for a domain spell (so, a 20th-level wizard wouldn't have 4+1 spells at each level, but 3+1). It's limiting, but on the other hand, he gets extra spells known and he casts them at a higher level. And most domain wizards will have chosen a domain that they won't mind having the spells from memorized, anyway.
MadBlue
02-22-04, 11:16 AM Originally posted by Doomhawk
What I was considering for the Domain Wizard was that instead of an extra spell slot of each level, one spell slot at each level HAS to be used for a domain spell (so, a 20th-level wizard wouldn't have 4+1 spells at each level, but 3+1). It's limiting, but on the other hand, he gets extra spells known and he casts them at a higher level. And most domain wizards will have chosen a domain that they won't mind having the spells from memorized, anyway. I think that might be what the text under "Spellcasting" is supposed to imply, even though it appears to say the Domain Wizard gets an additional spell slot (although it doesn't actually say "slot").

It just isn't like WotC to give a variant class that grants something without losing something in exchange. Then again, the Domain Druid House Rule on the bottom of p68 does just that (although it's listed as a House Rule rather than an official variant).

MadBlue
Hengwrt Ellesmere
02-22-04, 03:51 PM The way I read it was that the domain wizard got an extra slot per day per spell level, and he had to fill it with the domain spell of that level or lower (or metamagicked to that level or lower). He loses nothing over a non-specialized wizard. Compared to a specialist wizard, he loses the versatility of choosing what spell to prepare in that spot, but he isn't denied access to any spells. Seems like a pretty good trade to me.
Zaebos
02-22-04, 05:03 PM Keep in mind that the Domain wizard doesn't have to give up schools of magic like a specialits either, and this is what makes it overpowered.

I would only use a Domain Wizard in a campaign where Domain Wizards exist EXCLUSIVELY, no sorcerers, no specialist wizards, no normal wizards, etc. or as an NPC. This probably would work well in a world like dragonlance where the wizards draw their magic powers from 3 specific gods.
Hengwrt Ellesmere
02-22-04, 05:29 PM I'm going to use it for all wizards, and I'm going to give sorcerers a free progression of bloodline feats from Dragon #311. It gives the sorcerer an extra spell known at each level, and some neat powers at higher levels.
NorthSaber
02-24-04, 02:55 PM I'm glad I found this thread to confirm what I thought was odd: that there are no drawbacks for being a domain wizard compared to a standard, non-specialist wizard. I'll probably never use them because of this. The variant specialists are enough for me.
Count Arioch the 28th
02-24-04, 07:02 PM From my thread asking for opinions, the general consensus is that although Domain wizards are a bit too much, adding those arcane domains to Sorcerors insteads is a nice idea.

Edit: If you want to see the thread I made on this subject, go HERE (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187782)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
giova 02-21-04, 07:01 AM	the domain wizard has no drawback? why a player should play a wizard if a domain wizard is similar, with some bonus spell?
stone_dog 02-21-04, 07:18 AM	Well, there will be games with and without domain wizards, but I don't think that a DM allowing domain wizards would see many normal wizards since they don't have drawbacks. In the end though, the player doesn't get to make that decision though.
DarkThoughts24 02-21-04, 10:43 AM	cuz a dm using a domain wizard may grant a wizard 3 free spells a level instead of 2 or soem other tweak domain wizards ar optional stuff a dm might toss in as an excuse to tweak the standard egghead wizard
Kastas 02-21-04, 02:45 PM	You're right, there's no real reason to play a standard wizard when domain wizards are available. This may be overpowerd compared to a regular wizard, but consider it when compared to a specialist. The specialist also gets one free spell per day of each level, but they actually get to choose from a list of several. The fact that a specialist looses access to two schools is somewhat of a balancing factor, but a player that cares about their character's combat performance can easily choose two schools that aren't going to hinder them greatly. In my next campaign, I plan to simply remove the standard wizard completely and have any wizard select either a domain or a specialization.
Doomhawk 02-21-04, 11:44 PM	But a specialist doesn't get extra spells known in their chosen school, nor do they cast with added effectiveness from their chosen school... What I was considering for the Domain Wizard was that instead of an extra spell slot of each level, one spell slot at each level HAS to be used for a domain spell (so, a 20th-level wizard wouldn't have 4+1 spells at each level, but 3+1). It's limiting, but on the other hand, he gets extra spells known and he casts them at a higher level. And most domain wizards will have chosen a domain that they won't mind having the spells from memorized, anyway.
MadBlue 02-22-04, 11:16 AM	Originally posted by Doomhawk What I was considering for the Domain Wizard was that instead of an extra spell slot of each level, one spell slot at each level HAS to be used for a domain spell (so, a 20th-level wizard wouldn't have 4+1 spells at each level, but 3+1). It's limiting, but on the other hand, he gets extra spells known and he casts them at a higher level. And most domain wizards will have chosen a domain that they won't mind having the spells from memorized, anyway. I think that might be what the text under "Spellcasting" is supposed to imply, even though it appears to say the Domain Wizard gets an additional spell slot (although it doesn't actually say "slot"). It just isn't like WotC to give a variant class that grants something without losing something in exchange. Then again, the Domain Druid House Rule on the bottom of p68 does just that (although it's listed as a House Rule rather than an official variant). MadBlue
Hengwrt Ellesmere 02-22-04, 03:51 PM	The way I read it was that the domain wizard got an extra slot per day per spell level, and he had to fill it with the domain spell of that level or lower (or metamagicked to that level or lower). He loses nothing over a non-specialized wizard. Compared to a specialist wizard, he loses the versatility of choosing what spell to prepare in that spot, but he isn't denied access to any spells. Seems like a pretty good trade to me.
Zaebos 02-22-04, 05:03 PM	Keep in mind that the Domain wizard doesn't have to give up schools of magic like a specialits either, and this is what makes it overpowered. I would only use a Domain Wizard in a campaign where Domain Wizards exist EXCLUSIVELY, no sorcerers, no specialist wizards, no normal wizards, etc. or as an NPC. This probably would work well in a world like dragonlance where the wizards draw their magic powers from 3 specific gods.
Hengwrt Ellesmere 02-22-04, 05:29 PM	I'm going to use it for all wizards, and I'm going to give sorcerers a free progression of bloodline feats from Dragon #311. It gives the sorcerer an extra spell known at each level, and some neat powers at higher levels.
NorthSaber 02-24-04, 02:55 PM	I'm glad I found this thread to confirm what I thought was odd: that there are no drawbacks for being a domain wizard compared to a standard, non-specialist wizard. I'll probably never use them because of this. The variant specialists are enough for me.
Count Arioch the 28th 02-24-04, 07:02 PM	From my thread asking for opinions, the general consensus is that although Domain wizards are a bit too much, adding those arcane domains to Sorcerors insteads is a nice idea. Edit: If you want to see the thread I made on this subject, go HERE (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187782)