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pyromage2012 07-10-04, 10:55 PM	Can anyone help me figure out a good way to make a Wizard, Cleric, Psion and Mystic Thuerge, Cerebromancer to gain the most effectiveness, preferebly with equal levels. Or wizard as the higher caster if you have to. thanks
Kintara 07-10-04, 11:11 PM	You can't use classes like Mystic Theurge with the gestalt rules. Those hybrids are verboten! Muahahahah! Sorry.
Khan the Destroyer 07-11-04, 01:20 AM	Well, technically, it says that they should simply not be allowed. That to me says that a crazy Dm could allow it if he wanted to. Anywho, if the threadstarter would like to see a build, try this one: Wizard 1/Cleric 1 Wizard 2/Cleric 2 Wizard 3/Cleric 3 Psion 1/Mystic Theurge 1 Psion 2/Mystic Theurge 2 Psion3/Mystic Theurge 3 Psion 4/Mystic Theurge 4 Psion 5/Mystic Theurge 5 Psion 6/Mystic Theurge 6 Psion 7/Mystic Theurge 7 Psion 8/Mystic Theurge 8 Psion 9/Mystic Theurge 9 Psion 10/Mystic Theurge 10 Cerebremancer 1/Cleric 4 Cerebremancer 2/Cleric 5 Cerebremancer 3/Cleric 6 Cerebremancer 4/Cleric 7 Cerebremancer 5/Cleric 8 Cerebremancer 6/Cleric 9 Cerebremancer 7/Cleric 10 Now that I think about it, I might go with: Wizard 3/Psion 3 Cleric 10/Cerebremancer 10 Mystic Theurge 7/Psion 7 (ten actual psion levels total) That way, you get 20th caster level with both Wizard and Psion, and 17th with the cleric. Since the cleric already knows every spell on the cleric list though, it isn't that big of a deal. Practiced Spellcaster (complete divine) would take care of the lower cleric caster level as well. Anyway, I hope that works out for you :).
pyromage2012 07-11-04, 03:51 PM	Thanks, that really helps. I get high powered Arcane, Psionics, and enough healing. By the way its my own personal homebrew campaign, and need a strong NPC using the same rules I let my PC's use.
Kintara 07-11-04, 06:35 PM	Originally posted by Khan the Destroyer Well, technically, it says that they should simply not be allowed. That to me says that a crazy Dm could allow it if he wanted to.True, but then I couldn't say "verboten." ;) Plus, in no way do I think that you should allow Mystic Theurge, Eldritch Knight, Cerebremancer, or any other class that basically functions like a lower-powered gestalt character. If you want a 20th level Psion/Cleric/Wizard, then make him an epic character. Is that so terrible? If you want him to be a 20th level character, then buy them up as evenly as possible, and take Practiced Spellcaster. Did your players take EK, MT, Cerebremancer, or any of those other hybrids? If not, why didn't they? Why would you want to be a Cleric/Wizard, if you could take Khan's build instead? You don't lose much, and you gain a whole lot. Or, you could be a Fighter/Wizard/Cleric/Eldritch Knight/Mystic Theurge. Need we discuss the Arcane Trickster too? It's just silly. Silly, I say. For entertainment's sake, I'd like to see a gestalt using the hybrid PrCs that fills every class slot. A fighter/rogue/mage/cleric.
pyromage2012 07-11-04, 07:13 PM	A Fighter/Mage/Cleric/Rogue would be nice, add in a Barbarian and I could make the elite enemy for the PC's, I try not to restrict PC's so I can make my NPC's as overly powerful as I can. If the players want a insanely powerful PC, then they can face the DM's wrath when I unleash the Uber-Enemy. For Every choice their is an overly harder challenge to face.