Gestalt confusion [Archive] - Wizards Community

Gestalt confusion [Archive] - Wizards Community

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HidaSasuke
04-08-04, 02:00 AM Maybe I'm just confused, or more likely I'm missing something. But I just had an idea for a character using the Gestalt rules, and I know it can't possibly be mechanically allowed.

Start with, I dunno, Fighter/Wizard. It doesn't really matter much, so long as one of them is a spellcasting class. Level however is necessary to qualify for the Prestige class that adds to casting of your choice, in this example Loremaster. Then you Gestalt that Prestige Class with Wizard, and advance in them.

You go Fighter/Wizard 7 (if you're Human, you'll meet the Feat prerequisites at this point, and it's not hard to pick up the 7 Divination spells). Then, you go Loremaster/Wizard 10, then, let's say, Archmage/Wizard 3. So, at 20th level, you cast as a 33rd-level Wizard, with Epic spells and suchlike. Or, hell, Ftr/Wiz 5, RedWiz/Wiz 10, Archmage/Wiz 5, and get spells per day and CL and such as a level 35 Wizard.

I'm wrong, aren't I? This doesn't work for some reason, right?
Riznar
04-08-04, 02:10 AM I don't have UA on me, but I think a general rule of thumb is that your Real Caster Level shouldn't exceed your HD. (As opposed to your Effective Caster Level)
Tzepish
04-08-04, 02:12 AM This doesn't work because if two classes gain the same abilities, you don't gain them twice, rather, you gain them at the faster rate.
strenoth
04-08-04, 03:12 AM exactly.

same thing wiht sneak attack, and familiar advancement (imagine a sorc/wiz at level 10 with a familiar who had 20 levels of powers.. beyond that the familiar woudl start gaining the epic familair ability, to cast spells it's master knows 1/day!)
flyingmoose
04-09-04, 02:11 AM Think of sorc or wizard as giving you "+1 arcane spellcaster level" every level. PrCs that give the same thing don't stack.
So you're intuition was right. That isn't allowed.
Veton
04-09-04, 10:47 PM Originally posted by HidaSasuke
Start with, I dunno, Fighter/Wizard. It doesn't really matter much, so long as one of them is a spellcasting class. Level however is necessary to qualify for the Prestige class that adds to casting of your choice, in this example Loremaster. Then you Gestalt that Prestige Class with Wizard, and advance in them.

You can't do that. Once you choose what two classes you Gestalt in, you can not "switch" over your choices.
jagggar
04-09-04, 11:03 PM Hello, yes you can. It's called multi-classing

Otherwise they would have said "no PrC what-so-ever" instead of saying that you can't take two PrC at a time or a PrC that's basicly two classes at once.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
HidaSasuke 04-08-04, 02:00 AM	Maybe I'm just confused, or more likely I'm missing something. But I just had an idea for a character using the Gestalt rules, and I know it can't possibly be mechanically allowed. Start with, I dunno, Fighter/Wizard. It doesn't really matter much, so long as one of them is a spellcasting class. Level however is necessary to qualify for the Prestige class that adds to casting of your choice, in this example Loremaster. Then you Gestalt that Prestige Class with Wizard, and advance in them. You go Fighter/Wizard 7 (if you're Human, you'll meet the Feat prerequisites at this point, and it's not hard to pick up the 7 Divination spells). Then, you go Loremaster/Wizard 10, then, let's say, Archmage/Wizard 3. So, at 20th level, you cast as a 33rd-level Wizard, with Epic spells and suchlike. Or, hell, Ftr/Wiz 5, RedWiz/Wiz 10, Archmage/Wiz 5, and get spells per day and CL and such as a level 35 Wizard. I'm wrong, aren't I? This doesn't work for some reason, right?
Riznar 04-08-04, 02:10 AM	I don't have UA on me, but I think a general rule of thumb is that your Real Caster Level shouldn't exceed your HD. (As opposed to your Effective Caster Level)
Tzepish 04-08-04, 02:12 AM	This doesn't work because if two classes gain the same abilities, you don't gain them twice, rather, you gain them at the faster rate.
strenoth 04-08-04, 03:12 AM	exactly. same thing wiht sneak attack, and familiar advancement (imagine a sorc/wiz at level 10 with a familiar who had 20 levels of powers.. beyond that the familiar woudl start gaining the epic familair ability, to cast spells it's master knows 1/day!)
flyingmoose 04-09-04, 02:11 AM	Think of sorc or wizard as giving you "+1 arcane spellcaster level" every level. PrCs that give the same thing don't stack. So you're intuition was right. That isn't allowed.
Veton 04-09-04, 10:47 PM	Originally posted by HidaSasuke Start with, I dunno, Fighter/Wizard. It doesn't really matter much, so long as one of them is a spellcasting class. Level however is necessary to qualify for the Prestige class that adds to casting of your choice, in this example Loremaster. Then you Gestalt that Prestige Class with Wizard, and advance in them. You can't do that. Once you choose what two classes you Gestalt in, you can not "switch" over your choices.
jagggar 04-09-04, 11:03 PM	Hello, yes you can. It's called multi-classing Otherwise they would have said "no PrC what-so-ever" instead of saying that you can't take two PrC at a time or a PrC that's basicly two classes at once.