gestalt monk/warlock, any good? [Archive] - Wizards Community

gestalt monk/warlock, any good? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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nabuchadnysar
02-21-07, 03:56 AM I'll will be playing a gestalt game soon. Isthe monk/warlock a good mix? The eldritch blast seem to compensate for the lack of range attack of the monk and is a alternative to unarmed strike against monsters with DR. Hideous blast add puch to melee attacks.

So even if it looks alittle like DBZ, is it any good or just ordinary?

Thanks and forgive my french ;)
Cyanide300
02-21-07, 04:01 AM Hmm...lets see, a monk with a touch attack range of maybe 250ft, DR, limited fast healing, at will abilities like dimension door, spider climb, dispell magic, and invisibility. Oh, and did we mention Use Magic Device?

Yeah, probably a decent combo. Although, it's an odd combo because monks are lawful and warlocks are usually chaotic.
nabuchadnysar
02-21-07, 04:19 AM Or evil. So I was thinkink LE. Loyal to the group, but likes to bend the rules when in sociaty. Not like we never act like that in real life.
ravenshrike
02-21-07, 03:33 PM 'lock isn't alignment restricted. Um, best thing would be to concentrate on Wis/Dex, nd to try and toss at least a +1 bonus in CHA. Skills wise go Tumble/UMD/Diplo/Listen/Spot/. Grab Deflect arrows 2nd monk level. 1st 3 invocs go Beguiling influence, entropic warding, and Summon swarm. Switch out swarm at 6th for Spear. Go with fell flight for first lesser along with imp flight. Eventually, you'll be nigh untouchable. You won't be doing "much" damage, but hurting you will be a major pain in the ass. You'll also be able to turn most of your enemies neutral eventually.
Cyanide300
02-21-07, 04:35 PM 'lock isn't alignment restricted.

I never said it was restricted. I just said that they are usually chaotic. Just like Wizards are usually lawful.
CaoSlayer
02-22-07, 12:31 PM This shout to me: MAD MAD MAD.

With this character you need str, dex, con, wis and cha. your only posible dump stat is int.
Darth Sephiroth
02-25-07, 11:02 AM Isn't the Warlock supposed to be any Chaotic Or Evil? Did that change since Aomplete Arcane?

Warlock with Chaos Monk could work pretty well though
Grod_The_Giant
02-25-07, 12:03 PM This shout to me: MAD MAD MAD.

With this character you need str, dex, con, wis and cha. your only posible dump stat is int.

actually, not so much. With Henious Blow+Eldrich Blast, you're getting enough of a bonus to damage that the few points of Str isn't significant. You can use Dex with your unarmed strike, after all. Charisma isn't too nessicary either, as long as you don't take invocations that need saves. So you can completely drop Int, and Cha and Str aren't too nessicary. With this build, I'd go:

dex-wis-con-cha-str-int
claypigeons
02-25-07, 01:14 PM With Henious Blow+Eldrich Blast, you're getting enough of a bonus to damage that the few points of Str isn't significant.

Do you mean Hideous Blow? I cannot find a listing of "Henious Blow" in either Complete Arcane or Complete Mage. But, seriously, depending on how many levels of monk you want to toss in here, it could end up as crap. Hideous Blow is a standard action, which means no flurry.

Why not just play a Warlock with Improved Unarmed Strike and Superior Unarmed Strike.. you get close to the unarmed damage of the monk, without all that crappy MAD-ness and without the multiclassing...
vardock
02-25-07, 01:28 PM str is important for you for the following reasons.
1: it gives you a bonus to HIT and damage.
2: strength checks
3: Grappeling.
4: carring capacity.
Darth Sephiroth
02-25-07, 02:48 PM My suggestion is to go with Weapon Finesse to limit the dependancy on stats.

Another idea would be to ditch Monk for Swordsage with the Unarmed combat variant it lists. It may be slower, but you've got other abilities you can pull off when you need it.
Draz74
02-26-07, 07:48 PM Hideous Blow sucks. It's a standard action to use, so you can only use it once per turn, and you can't even make it part of a Spring Attack. And it provokes attacks of opportunity.
Tetsubo
02-27-07, 04:24 PM Hideous Blow sucks. It's a standard action to use, so you can only use it once per turn, and you can't even make it part of a Spring Attack. And it provokes attacks of opportunity.

That last point is the really annoying part. I can deal with it being a full round action. But it provokes an AoO? That has always bugged me... Does a Sneak Attack provoke an AoO...? No... neither should HB...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
nabuchadnysar 02-21-07, 03:56 AM	I'll will be playing a gestalt game soon. Isthe monk/warlock a good mix? The eldritch blast seem to compensate for the lack of range attack of the monk and is a alternative to unarmed strike against monsters with DR. Hideous blast add puch to melee attacks. So even if it looks alittle like DBZ, is it any good or just ordinary? Thanks and forgive my french ;)
Cyanide300 02-21-07, 04:01 AM	Hmm...lets see, a monk with a touch attack range of maybe 250ft, DR, limited fast healing, at will abilities like dimension door, spider climb, dispell magic, and invisibility. Oh, and did we mention Use Magic Device? Yeah, probably a decent combo. Although, it's an odd combo because monks are lawful and warlocks are usually chaotic.
nabuchadnysar 02-21-07, 04:19 AM	Or evil. So I was thinkink LE. Loyal to the group, but likes to bend the rules when in sociaty. Not like we never act like that in real life.
ravenshrike 02-21-07, 03:33 PM	'lock isn't alignment restricted. Um, best thing would be to concentrate on Wis/Dex, nd to try and toss at least a +1 bonus in CHA. Skills wise go Tumble/UMD/Diplo/Listen/Spot/. Grab Deflect arrows 2nd monk level. 1st 3 invocs go Beguiling influence, entropic warding, and Summon swarm. Switch out swarm at 6th for Spear. Go with fell flight for first lesser along with imp flight. Eventually, you'll be nigh untouchable. You won't be doing "much" damage, but hurting you will be a major pain in the ass. You'll also be able to turn most of your enemies neutral eventually.
Cyanide300 02-21-07, 04:35 PM	'lock isn't alignment restricted. I never said it was restricted. I just said that they are usually chaotic. Just like Wizards are usually lawful.
CaoSlayer 02-22-07, 12:31 PM	This shout to me: MAD MAD MAD. With this character you need str, dex, con, wis and cha. your only posible dump stat is int.
Darth Sephiroth 02-25-07, 11:02 AM	Isn't the Warlock supposed to be any Chaotic Or Evil? Did that change since Aomplete Arcane? Warlock with Chaos Monk could work pretty well though
Grod_The_Giant 02-25-07, 12:03 PM	This shout to me: MAD MAD MAD. With this character you need str, dex, con, wis and cha. your only posible dump stat is int. actually, not so much. With Henious Blow+Eldrich Blast, you're getting enough of a bonus to damage that the few points of Str isn't significant. You can use Dex with your unarmed strike, after all. Charisma isn't too nessicary either, as long as you don't take invocations that need saves. So you can completely drop Int, and Cha and Str aren't too nessicary. With this build, I'd go: dex-wis-con-cha-str-int
claypigeons 02-25-07, 01:14 PM	With Henious Blow+Eldrich Blast, you're getting enough of a bonus to damage that the few points of Str isn't significant. Do you mean Hideous Blow? I cannot find a listing of "Henious Blow" in either Complete Arcane or Complete Mage. But, seriously, depending on how many levels of monk you want to toss in here, it could end up as crap. Hideous Blow is a standard action, which means no flurry. Why not just play a Warlock with Improved Unarmed Strike and Superior Unarmed Strike.. you get close to the unarmed damage of the monk, without all that crappy MAD-ness and without the multiclassing...
vardock 02-25-07, 01:28 PM	str is important for you for the following reasons. 1: it gives you a bonus to HIT and damage. 2: strength checks 3: Grappeling. 4: carring capacity.
Darth Sephiroth 02-25-07, 02:48 PM	My suggestion is to go with Weapon Finesse to limit the dependancy on stats. Another idea would be to ditch Monk for Swordsage with the Unarmed combat variant it lists. It may be slower, but you've got other abilities you can pull off when you need it.
Draz74 02-26-07, 07:48 PM	Hideous Blow sucks. It's a standard action to use, so you can only use it once per turn, and you can't even make it part of a Spring Attack. And it provokes attacks of opportunity.
Tetsubo 02-27-07, 04:24 PM	Hideous Blow sucks. It's a standard action to use, so you can only use it once per turn, and you can't even make it part of a Spring Attack. And it provokes attacks of opportunity. That last point is the really annoying part. I can deal with it being a full round action. But it provokes an AoO? That has always bugged me... Does a Sneak Attack provoke an AoO...? No... neither should HB...