Gestalt Monster CR [Archive] - Wizards Community

Gestalt Monster CR [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
GreatOne
08-07-07, 02:40 PM Hi all. I was just wondering what the CR would be for gestalt mosnters with hit dice? I already figured out how to do it and I was wondering how I would calculate CR?

I was thinking just using the class oppisite their racial hit dice for the CR.

What do you guys think?
deathbane
08-07-07, 08:41 PM Hi all. I was just wondering what the CR would be for gestalt mosnters with hit dice? I already figured out how to do it and I was wondering how I would calculate CR?

I was thinking just using the class oppisite their racial hit dice for the CR.

What do you guys think?

You mean a monster with gestalt character classes? If that is what you mean then just add one to the CR. Example: Orc/fighter3/rouge3=CR4
GreatOne
08-08-07, 09:07 AM I mean gestalted monsters that have racial hit dice. Like a gnoll fighter 3/ranger 5 What would be the cr for this thing? I was going with cr 5.

My question is this what about something with alot of racial hit dice? what would be the CR on that?
deathbane
08-08-07, 09:12 PM I mean gestalted monsters that have racial hit dice. Like a gnoll fighter 3/ranger 5 What would be the cr for this thing? I was going with cr 5.

My question is this what about something with alot of racial hit dice? what would be the CR on that?

If you are going to gestalt then both of the classes should have the same level. That is the only way to truly gestalt.

CR should be The CR of the monster in the monster manual +the class levels+1
example: gnoll(which is a cr1)/fighter 5/ranger5 would be a CR 7. Now all gestalt combinations are not equal but that is good for an generic formula.
SilentOne
08-08-07, 11:12 PM He means gestalting the racial hitdice of the monster with another class, then doing multiple classes.

Gnoll HD 1 // Ranger 1
Gnoll HD 2 // Ranger 2
Gnoll HD 2/Fighter 1 // Ranger 3

etc.
concerro
08-09-07, 12:03 AM He means gestalting the racial hitdice of the monster with another class, then doing multiple classes.

Gnoll HD 1 // Ranger 1
Gnoll HD 2 // Ranger 2
Gnoll HD 2/Fighter 1 // Ranger 3

etc.

ok thanks for the clarification, but since not all monster HD count the same toward CR it would be different for each monster. I would not even bother with racial HD because they are not as effective classes, but if that is what he wants to do then they should increase the racial HD of the monster and find it's new CR(there is a guide in the back of MM1 which tells you how to find new CR's), and then gestalt the classes
Witch
08-09-07, 08:37 AM I think that some of Kain Darkwind's results from asking this earlier is that if you apply 1/3 of total HD gestalt levels, it's CR +1, 2/3 is CR +2, and full is CR +3. Something like that. It might vary, ofcourse - this is just a guideline.
schpeelah
08-09-07, 01:26 PM One question - are the PCs gestalt as well?
GreatOne
08-10-07, 01:05 PM Yes. The PCs are gestalt. It said in the book to Gestalt important NPCs or anyone with more then one lvl of a pc class.
schpeelah
08-10-07, 03:12 PM Then, the CR should stay as written. If both sides are gestalt the general balance is, IMO, mantained. And the non-gestalt enemies should have negative CR adjustment.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
GreatOne 08-07-07, 02:40 PM	Hi all. I was just wondering what the CR would be for gestalt mosnters with hit dice? I already figured out how to do it and I was wondering how I would calculate CR? I was thinking just using the class oppisite their racial hit dice for the CR. What do you guys think?
deathbane 08-07-07, 08:41 PM	Hi all. I was just wondering what the CR would be for gestalt mosnters with hit dice? I already figured out how to do it and I was wondering how I would calculate CR? I was thinking just using the class oppisite their racial hit dice for the CR. What do you guys think? You mean a monster with gestalt character classes? If that is what you mean then just add one to the CR. Example: Orc/fighter3/rouge3=CR4
GreatOne 08-08-07, 09:07 AM	I mean gestalted monsters that have racial hit dice. Like a gnoll fighter 3/ranger 5 What would be the cr for this thing? I was going with cr 5. My question is this what about something with alot of racial hit dice? what would be the CR on that?
deathbane 08-08-07, 09:12 PM	I mean gestalted monsters that have racial hit dice. Like a gnoll fighter 3/ranger 5 What would be the cr for this thing? I was going with cr 5. My question is this what about something with alot of racial hit dice? what would be the CR on that? If you are going to gestalt then both of the classes should have the same level. That is the only way to truly gestalt. CR should be The CR of the monster in the monster manual +the class levels+1 example: gnoll(which is a cr1)/fighter 5/ranger5 would be a CR 7. Now all gestalt combinations are not equal but that is good for an generic formula.
SilentOne 08-08-07, 11:12 PM	He means gestalting the racial hitdice of the monster with another class, then doing multiple classes. Gnoll HD 1 // Ranger 1 Gnoll HD 2 // Ranger 2 Gnoll HD 2/Fighter 1 // Ranger 3 etc.
concerro 08-09-07, 12:03 AM	He means gestalting the racial hitdice of the monster with another class, then doing multiple classes. Gnoll HD 1 // Ranger 1 Gnoll HD 2 // Ranger 2 Gnoll HD 2/Fighter 1 // Ranger 3 etc. ok thanks for the clarification, but since not all monster HD count the same toward CR it would be different for each monster. I would not even bother with racial HD because they are not as effective classes, but if that is what he wants to do then they should increase the racial HD of the monster and find it's new CR(there is a guide in the back of MM1 which tells you how to find new CR's), and then gestalt the classes
Witch 08-09-07, 08:37 AM	I think that some of Kain Darkwind's results from asking this earlier is that if you apply 1/3 of total HD gestalt levels, it's CR +1, 2/3 is CR +2, and full is CR +3. Something like that. It might vary, ofcourse - this is just a guideline.
schpeelah 08-09-07, 01:26 PM	One question - are the PCs gestalt as well?
GreatOne 08-10-07, 01:05 PM	Yes. The PCs are gestalt. It said in the book to Gestalt important NPCs or anyone with more then one lvl of a pc class.
schpeelah 08-10-07, 03:12 PM	Then, the CR should stay as written. If both sides are gestalt the general balance is, IMO, mantained. And the non-gestalt enemies should have negative CR adjustment.