house rules being considered for my next campaign [Archive] - Wizards Community

house rules being considered for my next campaign [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Firevalkyrie
10-31-06, 07:47 AM This first post has to do with Tome of Battle:

Barbarian: Starts with 2 maneuvers known, 2 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Tiger Claw. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5.

Fighter: Replaced by Warblade.

Monk: Rules as written.

Paladin: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and White Raven. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5.

Ranger: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Devoted Spirit. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5.

Swordsage: Swordsages recover all maneuvers by spending a full round action instead of only one. This makes the Adaptive Style feat "merely" very useful instead of absolutely essential.
Firevalkyrie
10-31-06, 06:39 PM So... um... any commentary?
Kaelas Bloodstorm
10-31-06, 06:53 PM This first post has to do with Tome of Battle:

Fighter: Replaced by Warblade.

Are you eliminating the fighter in place of the warblade or just tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade? Fighters still have a place in the game and tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade is too powerful.

Swordsage: Swordsages recover all maneuvers by spending a full round action instead of only one. This makes the Adaptive Style feat "merely" very useful instead of absolutely essential.

This is cool.
Pellanor
10-31-06, 07:07 PM Fighters still have a place in the game...Yup. Two level dips for Bonus feats.
Wayett
10-31-06, 07:24 PM make a game where everyone has maneuvers, the paladin is replaced by the Crusader, the fighter with warblade and use the swordsage, then use ur ideas and give everyone maneuvers and stances. Rogues get shadow hand and somethin else, sorcerers and wizards could be taken out(no magic campaign, or wizards and sorcerers are PrC classes) bards could be kind of like swordsage. I like ur ideas, i like um a lot and if you have any comments or just want to type really loud at me then message me!
Kaelas Bloodstorm
10-31-06, 10:03 PM What about a valid career choice as a straight fighter for at least 10 levels?
Firevalkyrie
11-01-06, 07:56 AM Are you eliminating the fighter in place of the warblade or just tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade? Fighters still have a place in the game and tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade is too powerful.
I'm seriously considering simply replacing the fighter with the warblade. It's not set in stone yet (it couldn't be, considering that my next campaign is a few months off yet and I'm running Red Hand of Doom right now), but the idea seems to have merit to me.

This is cool.
Thanks. :) I've done a few Swordsage builds and noticed consistently that you tend to run out much faster than you'd think, unless you're playing at high level (15-20), and that as you run out of maneuvers, you also tend to run out of the ones you really want to use first.
Firevalkyrie
11-02-06, 12:15 AM Incidentally, to answer the question of "how do Pals/Rgrs/Bbns recover maneuvers?": Barbarians can recover maneuvers in the way that a Swordsage does now (spend a full round action to recover one maneuver). Paladins and Rangers only recover at the end of an encounter, because they have divine magic to back up their maneuvers.

I'm also considering the idea that barbarians can only use their maneuvers if they're raging.

Well, sirs, what do you think?
NineInchNall
11-02-06, 11:37 PM This first post has to do with Tome of Battle:

Barbarian: Starts with 2 maneuvers known, 2 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Tiger Claw. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5.

Maybe too many additions. I'd cut it down to one new maneuver per four levels with standard non-martial adept initiator level (1/2 class level). Also make it one more stance per six levels.

Fighter: Replaced by Warblade.

Fighter is still very useful for feat-heavy character types. That is, the class remains a useful tool despite being weak as a kitten. Replacing the Fighter entirely is probably not a very good idea.

Monk: Rules as written.

Meh. Monks.

Paladin: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and White Raven. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5.

Why not just replace the Pally with the Crusader? And not giving the Paladin Devoted Spirit just sounds silly.

Ranger: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Devoted Spirit. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5.

Rangers don't really need anything, but adding Tiger Claw maneuvers for great TWF justice wouldn't hurt. The other schools you mention don't really fit the Ranger theme.

Swordsage: Swordsages recover all maneuvers by spending a full round action instead of only one. This makes the Adaptive Style feat "merely" very useful instead of absolutely essential.

I'm all for this. Swordsages as written kinda bite.

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Firevalkyrie 10-31-06, 07:47 AM	This first post has to do with Tome of Battle: Barbarian: Starts with 2 maneuvers known, 2 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Tiger Claw. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5. Fighter: Replaced by Warblade. Monk: Rules as written. Paladin: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and White Raven. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5. Ranger: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Devoted Spirit. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5. Swordsage: Swordsages recover all maneuvers by spending a full round action instead of only one. This makes the Adaptive Style feat "merely" very useful instead of absolutely essential.
Firevalkyrie 10-31-06, 06:39 PM	So... um... any commentary?
Kaelas Bloodstorm 10-31-06, 06:53 PM	This first post has to do with Tome of Battle: Fighter: Replaced by Warblade. Are you eliminating the fighter in place of the warblade or just tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade? Fighters still have a place in the game and tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade is too powerful. Swordsage: Swordsages recover all maneuvers by spending a full round action instead of only one. This makes the Adaptive Style feat "merely" very useful instead of absolutely essential. This is cool.
Pellanor 10-31-06, 07:07 PM	Fighters still have a place in the game...Yup. Two level dips for Bonus feats.
Wayett 10-31-06, 07:24 PM	make a game where everyone has maneuvers, the paladin is replaced by the Crusader, the fighter with warblade and use the swordsage, then use ur ideas and give everyone maneuvers and stances. Rogues get shadow hand and somethin else, sorcerers and wizards could be taken out(no magic campaign, or wizards and sorcerers are PrC classes) bards could be kind of like swordsage. I like ur ideas, i like um a lot and if you have any comments or just want to type really loud at me then message me!
Kaelas Bloodstorm 10-31-06, 10:03 PM	What about a valid career choice as a straight fighter for at least 10 levels?
Firevalkyrie 11-01-06, 07:56 AM	Are you eliminating the fighter in place of the warblade or just tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade? Fighters still have a place in the game and tacking fighter bonus feats for the warblade is too powerful. I'm seriously considering simply replacing the fighter with the warblade. It's not set in stone yet (it couldn't be, considering that my next campaign is a few months off yet and I'm running Red Hand of Doom right now), but the idea seems to have merit to me. This is cool. Thanks. :) I've done a few Swordsage builds and noticed consistently that you tend to run out much faster than you'd think, unless you're playing at high level (15-20), and that as you run out of maneuvers, you also tend to run out of the ones you really want to use first.
Firevalkyrie 11-02-06, 12:15 AM	Incidentally, to answer the question of "how do Pals/Rgrs/Bbns recover maneuvers?": Barbarians can recover maneuvers in the way that a Swordsage does now (spend a full round action to recover one maneuver). Paladins and Rangers only recover at the end of an encounter, because they have divine magic to back up their maneuvers. I'm also considering the idea that barbarians can only use their maneuvers if they're raging. Well, sirs, what do you think?
NineInchNall 11-02-06, 11:37 PM	This first post has to do with Tome of Battle: Barbarian: Starts with 2 maneuvers known, 2 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Tiger Claw. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5. Maybe too many additions. I'd cut it down to one new maneuver per four levels with standard non-martial adept initiator level (1/2 class level). Also make it one more stance per six levels. Fighter: Replaced by Warblade. Fighter is still very useful for feat-heavy character types. That is, the class remains a useful tool despite being weak as a kitten. Replacing the Fighter entirely is probably not a very good idea. Monk: Rules as written. Meh. Monks. Paladin: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and White Raven. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5. Why not just replace the Pally with the Crusader? And not giving the Paladin Devoted Spirit just sounds silly. Ranger: Starts with 1 maneuver known, 1 readied, 1 stance. Schools available are Stone Dragon and Devoted Spirit. Gains 1 maneuver known per 3 levels, 1 maneuver readied per 4, 1 stance known per 5. Rangers don't really need anything, but adding Tiger Claw maneuvers for great TWF justice wouldn't hurt. The other schools you mention don't really fit the Ranger theme. Swordsage: Swordsages recover all maneuvers by spending a full round action instead of only one. This makes the Adaptive Style feat "merely" very useful instead of absolutely essential. I'm all for this. Swordsages as written kinda bite.