Leadership at First Level? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Leadership at First Level? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Draegun Fury
08-28-06, 09:03 AM Hey, I've been trying to find away for PCs to take a feat/class in order to play as nobility.

One of my players suggested making Leadership available at first level, and using Followers to generate wealth (in other words, feudalism).

My question is, would allowing Leadership to be taken at 1st level unbalance the game?
(Note: Most PC won't be able to gain followers until 3rd level anyway)

I tend to think any unbalance would be smoothed out by level six when a PC could otherwise take Leadership.

What's your thoughts on the matter?

Cheers.

PS: Any other ideas for a balanced way to play as nobility would be appreciated too.

(NOTE: I am told there is an Eberon Feat that gives a Warforged Adamantine Fullplate at 1st level. Since Adamantine Fullplate is worth 16,150gp, and (in this case) it can't be stolen/ruined, I have ruled that a Feat can = 20,000gp*The level it was taken. So a Wealth Feat (or Inheiritance Feat) taken a 10th level would be worth 200,000gp, and one taken at 20th would be worth 400,000gp).

Any thoughts?
Einvaldurinn_mikli
08-28-06, 12:45 PM Well a good idea i saw somewhere is to convert Leadership into a skill. That could be pretty cool.
Draegun Fury
08-28-06, 02:26 PM Yeah actually I saw that thread, I like the idea alot.

Basically you trade 23 Skill Points for 1 feat, which I think is fair.

What about a Feat that grants 20,000gp (based of the Warforged Adamantine body feat from Eberon)?

Seem fair? Balanced? Too strong at low? Too weak at high?
Either/or?

Cheers.
Jackmojo
08-28-06, 08:43 PM How about a feat that scales with level or potentially grants money everytime the PC levels up (incomes from their 'lands and holdings' if you will)

Perhaps Character Level x 1000 gold? Maybe more, maybe less, depends on the economy of the game at hand as to how out of balance it would be.

Or as a skill it could payout on level up at skill total x 100 or 1000 again depending on game economy.

Jack
Gilias
08-29-06, 02:25 PM The Landlord feat from the stronghold builders guide does just that. It gives you cash useable only for building a stronghold, and it is level dependant. After you take it, you continue to get extra resources every level.
OneWinged4ngel
08-30-06, 05:02 AM Ye gods, must you mention that book? :eek:

So... messed up... (Also 3.0)

A feat that gives cash might be okay though, to represent the wealth gained from nobility or whatever.
DarkThoughts24
08-30-06, 06:09 PM landlord or leadership make for interesting choices at 1st level. a wizard with that might have access to their own place and lab at an early level, with funding from the serfs and those who pay up a tribute for it's research and knowledge

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Draegun Fury 08-28-06, 09:03 AM	Hey, I've been trying to find away for PCs to take a feat/class in order to play as nobility. One of my players suggested making Leadership available at first level, and using Followers to generate wealth (in other words, feudalism). My question is, would allowing Leadership to be taken at 1st level unbalance the game? (Note: Most PC won't be able to gain followers until 3rd level anyway) I tend to think any unbalance would be smoothed out by level six when a PC could otherwise take Leadership. What's your thoughts on the matter? Cheers. PS: Any other ideas for a balanced way to play as nobility would be appreciated too. (NOTE: I am told there is an Eberon Feat that gives a Warforged Adamantine Fullplate at 1st level. Since Adamantine Fullplate is worth 16,150gp, and (in this case) it can't be stolen/ruined, I have ruled that a Feat can = 20,000gp*The level it was taken. So a Wealth Feat (or Inheiritance Feat) taken a 10th level would be worth 200,000gp, and one taken at 20th would be worth 400,000gp). Any thoughts?
Einvaldurinn_mikli 08-28-06, 12:45 PM	Well a good idea i saw somewhere is to convert Leadership into a skill. That could be pretty cool.
Draegun Fury 08-28-06, 02:26 PM	Yeah actually I saw that thread, I like the idea alot. Basically you trade 23 Skill Points for 1 feat, which I think is fair. What about a Feat that grants 20,000gp (based of the Warforged Adamantine body feat from Eberon)? Seem fair? Balanced? Too strong at low? Too weak at high? Either/or? Cheers.
Jackmojo 08-28-06, 08:43 PM	How about a feat that scales with level or potentially grants money everytime the PC levels up (incomes from their 'lands and holdings' if you will) Perhaps Character Level x 1000 gold? Maybe more, maybe less, depends on the economy of the game at hand as to how out of balance it would be. Or as a skill it could payout on level up at skill total x 100 or 1000 again depending on game economy. Jack
Gilias 08-29-06, 02:25 PM	The Landlord feat from the stronghold builders guide does just that. It gives you cash useable only for building a stronghold, and it is level dependant. After you take it, you continue to get extra resources every level.
OneWinged4ngel 08-30-06, 05:02 AM	Ye gods, must you mention that book? :eek: So... messed up... (Also 3.0) A feat that gives cash might be okay though, to represent the wealth gained from nobility or whatever.
DarkThoughts24 08-30-06, 06:09 PM	landlord or leadership make for interesting choices at 1st level. a wizard with that might have access to their own place and lab at an early level, with funding from the serfs and those who pay up a tribute for it's research and knowledge