Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MikeTheAmazingMuskrat 03-22-06, 11:24 AM	Made ya look! -mike the amazing muskrat
ideasmith 03-22-06, 08:49 PM	So you did.
Lina_Inverse 03-22-06, 11:30 PM	:D
konrad_the_tall 03-23-06, 04:39 AM	There is a magicaless wizard. Its called a commoner.
elven warriorXX 03-29-06, 10:28 AM	There is a magicaless wizard. Its called a commoner. This is funny :) I was about to die if this board was real >.>
Vestigial_Thumb 03-29-06, 12:55 PM	Made ya look! AAAAAAAAA! (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAA%21)
Sargeras 03-29-06, 01:58 PM	AAAAAAAAA! (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAA%21) Whoa.
elven warriorXX 03-29-06, 02:13 PM	Whoa. O_O dear gods!! I have never seen so many AAAAAs
Vestigial_Thumb 03-29-06, 03:45 PM	O_O dear gods!! I have never seen so many AAAAAs When I saw it, I transformed into the pope and started shooting lasers out of my eyes. This is a self-taken photo. :P
elven warriorXX 03-29-06, 03:58 PM	When I saw it, I transformed into the pope and started shooting lasers out of my eyes. This is a self-taken photo. :P The mighty Laser pope! I will fear A until I die. Anyway Lets start working on that Magicless wizard!
Vestigial_Thumb 03-29-06, 04:54 PM	The mighty Laser pope! I will fear A until I die. Anyway Lets start working on that Magicless wizard! Something like this: Base Attack Fort Ref Will Level Bonus Save Save Save Special 1st +0 +0 +0 +2 Summon familiar, Scribe Scroll 2nd +1 +0 +0 +3 3rd +1 +1 +1 +3 4th +2 +1 +1 +4 5th +2 +1 +1 +4 Bonus feat 6th +3 +2 +2 +5 7th +3 +2 +2 +5 8th +4 +2 +2 +6 9th +4 +3 +3 +6 10th +5 +3 +3 +7 Bonus feat 11th +5 +3 +3 +7 12th +6/+1 +4 +4 +8 13th +6/+1 +4 +4 +8 14th +7/+2 +4 +4 +9 15th +7/+2 +5 +5 +9 Bonus feat 16th +8/+3 +5 +5 +10 17th +8/+3 +5 +5 +10 18th +9/+4 +6 +6 +11 19th +9/+4 +6 +6 +11 20th +10/+5 +6 +6 +12 Bonus feat ?
SilentOne 03-29-06, 08:29 PM	That's so broken! Good will save? Drop it to poor, and take away the bonus feats, the familiar, and the scribe scroll feat. That should do it. Oh, and d2 HD? Any objections?
elven warriorXX 03-29-06, 09:12 PM	That's so broken! Good will save? Drop it to poor, and take away the bonus feats, the familiar, and the scribe scroll feat. That should do it. Oh, and d2 HD? Any objections? Sounds good to me! I would play it. I will go ask my DM to see if he will let me be this class, It is balanced so he should say yes!
Soel Griffin 03-30-06, 01:36 AM	This is funny. I have played in a Dragonlance campaign with a magic-less wzard and his magic-less apprentice. The best thing they could do was make alchemical items. They were also good at draining xp from the rest of the party. I'm not joking...
elven warriorXX 03-30-06, 03:57 PM	This is funny. I have played in a Dragonlance campaign with a magic-less wzard and his magic-less apprentice. The best thing they could do was make alchemical items. They were also good at draining xp from the rest of the party. I'm not joking... Thats a real horror story. I will never look at Dragonlance the same way again.
Thelon Fairblade 03-31-06, 09:30 AM	I actually thought this *would* be a thread about an alchemy-themed wizard. Silly me.
gbnogkfs 03-31-06, 09:37 AM	Yeah! you anticipated me: I was going to create a "wizard without spells" thread after I was annoying of seeing the many "ranger without spells", "paladin without spells", "bard without spells"... :cool:
elven warriorXX 03-31-06, 09:46 AM	Yeah! you anticipated me: I was going to create a "wizard without spells" thread after I was annoying of seeing the many "ranger without spells", "paladin without spells", "bard without spells"... :cool: Paladin needs spells, Bard needs spells. Rangers don't :) it does not fi the theme.
michel andre 04-01-06, 12:01 PM	An expert would make an excellent magicless wizard. The skills would include: use magic item, spellcraft, knowledge (arcana) and other knowledge skils. Plus, they can wear armor and use weapons.
MikeTheAmazingMuskrat 04-01-06, 03:27 PM	An expert would make an excellent magicless wizard. The skills would include: use magic item, spellcraft, knowledge (arcana) and other knowledge skils. Plus, they can wear armor and use weapons. Armor? Weapons? U krazE. -mike the amazing muskrat
CaoSlayer 04-02-06, 05:50 AM	well,all spell-less wizzards have competence with half-brick inside a sock.
rbingham2000 04-08-06, 06:43 PM	I suspect that a "magic-less" wizard would focus more on alchemy and herbalism than your common D&D style of spellcasting. If your DM allows exotic plants and other stuff with weird properties in his campaign world, I can see this style of wizard being quite useful -- especially if you also throw in a greater ability to use the Incantations from Unearthed Arcana (now THAT was an awesome idea), like the Occultist from D20 Modern. Maybe throw in some other cool abilities as class features, such as a wizardly version of Bardic Knowledge to reflect wizards' general penchant for knowing a lot of weird stuff in fantasy fiction.
darth_borehd 04-08-06, 10:57 PM	well,all spell-less wizzards have competence with half-brick inside a sock. Rincewind is the ultimate example of a wizard with no spells. Maybe a Rogue with a lot of points in Use Magic Device and the Run feat. :D
Darth Sephiroth 04-09-06, 08:08 PM	When I saw this I immediately thought of someone from a Low-No magic fantasy world.
darth_borehd 04-09-06, 09:04 PM	When I saw this I immediately thought of someone from a Low-No magic fantasy world. Like the "wizard" from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.
EternalZzyx 04-11-06, 10:47 AM	the mongoose publishing Alchemist power class is sort of non-magic wizard, but it does have some magic stuff (wish 1/year at level 20!) with a bit of work it could be brought up to 3.5... that said, carting round an alchemist lab is not fun...
Madacapa 04-11-06, 11:41 AM	Made ya look! -mike the amazing muskrat I am going to take your question seriously. Yes, it is possible to have a magicless mage character class. He or she would use skills instead of spells.
Hariman 04-11-06, 12:29 PM	I just remembered, Dragon 335 has a 5 level prestige class called the "Charlatan" They gain the ability to "cast" certain spells via Alchemical Trickery. So you get a fake wizard whose "Spells" work in an antimagic field. Specifically, the spells are Burning Hands and Flare (1st Level), and Glitterdust, Obscuring Mist and Pyrotechnics at third level. There are also Mind Affecting spells that the charlatan can duplicate,. Like Charm Person, Scare (one target only) Command and Tasha's Hideous Laughter. They even gain a mundane version of Dispel Magic and the ability to turn entire communities against their leaders. Of course, the Charlatan lives a lie, so someday, someone will come along and say that that archmage is a fake.
Need_A_Life 04-11-06, 12:42 PM	Truenamer? Well, in our group we were talking of wizards in deadmagic/antimagic areas: Me: "Well, hello Mister Commoner-with-the-good-will-save..."
Pegasos989 04-12-06, 10:03 AM	The Magicless Wizard: At any given time in the history there has always been cultures that have hated the whole concept of magic. Guilds, nations and even whole races have thought of it as something cowardly, useless or just evil. When spellcasters moved into such cultures they soon realized they had to keep their skills in secret. They could no longer keep their spellbooks available or go around buying spell components. During the generations these spellcasters lost their ability to cast spells. Adventures: Magicless wizards adventure for many reasons. Some want to expand their knowledge of how the world works while the others want to find a way to get them back their ability to cast spells. Some want to get away from the culture and actually see the magic that they have spent their whole life reading of and some want to teach their ancient lore to the next generation. Characteristics: The Magicless wizards favor knowledge over everything else. They also specialize in sciences such as alchemy. Alignment: The alignment of a magicless wizard can be anything but as the class depends on knowledge over all, it depends in years of solitary studying. As such the chaotic characters often find it impossible to be patient enough for this class. Religion: Ironically enough, many of the magicless wizards favor Boccob, the deity of magic. Evil magicless wizards however seem to find Vecna, the god of magic, secrets and knowledge, the most logical choice. Background: Not all the magicless wizard have once been spellcasters nor their parents have been. Creatures with spell-like abilities but nobody to tech them spells find themselves often looking for more and more knowledge. It is not uncommon for a wizard to abandon their magic when falling in love with a member of a culture that prohibits magic. Races: Magicless wizards can be found with all the races that can become sorcerers, wizards or the like. Especially races with spell-like abilities suit magicless wizards. Other Classes: Magicless wizards feel great respect but also envy the spellcasters. Warrior classes can help to defend a class with no actual fighning proweness. Role: A magicless wizard has great anmounts of knowledge and as such is good help in virtually any party. However the magicless wizards can neither cast spells nor fight well so they are often underestimated. GAME RULE INFORMATION Magicless wizards have the following game statistic. Alignment: Any. Hit Die: d6 Starting gold: As wizard Starting Age: As wizard Class Skills The Gemini Dancer's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are: Bluff (Cha), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disguise (Cha), Hide (Dex), Knowledge (any) (Int), Profession (Wis), Sense Motive(Wis), spellcraft(int) and Use Magic Device(int). Skill Points at 1st Level: (6 + Int modifier) × 4. Skill Points at Each Additional Level: 6 + Int modifier. Level___BAB____Fort___Ref____Will___Spec ial 1............0...........0..........0... ......2.........Arcane knowledge 2............1...........0..........0... ......3.........Magic sense 3............1...........1..........1... ......3 4............2...........1..........1... ......4.........Brew magicless potion 5............2...........1..........1... ......4.........Spell Resistance 10 6............3...........2..........2... ......5.........Expanded knowledge 7............3...........2..........2... ......5 8............4...........2..........2... ......6.........Magic sense 9............4...........3..........3... ......6 10..........5...........3..........3.... .....7.........Resistant mind 11..........5...........3..........3.... .....7.........Spell Resistance 15 12..........6/1........4..........4.........8......... See the truth 13..........6/1........4..........4.........8 14..........7/2........4..........4.........9......... Dignity 15..........7/2........5..........5.........9......... Spell Reistance 20 16..........8/3........5..........5.........10.......T he power of knowledge 17..........8/3........5..........5.........10 18..........9/4........6..........6.........11.......M agic sense 19..........9/4........6..........6.........11 20..........10/5......6..........6.........12.......Spe ll Resistance 25 Arcane knowledge: At first level the magicless wizard gets the ability to add half of his level (minium of 1) as a bonus to all his knowledge(arcana) and spellcraft checks. Magic sense: A 2nd level magicless wizard can sense if the item has magical properties by just touching it. This ability expands to 30 feet at 8th level and from 18th level it can be activated by just seeing the object. Magicless wizard does not need to be actively looking for magical items for this power to take effect. Brew magicless potion: A magicless wizard's specialization in alchemy lets him creat potions without using any actual magic. All the creation costs except the experience loss are doubled. Spell reistance: From 5th level the magicless wizard is no longer being affected by the lowest spells. Expanded knowledge: At some point the magicless wizard can add 1/2 of his character level to all his knowledge checks. Resistant mind: The magicless wizard gains +4 bonus on all saving throws against mind affecting spells and spell-like abilities. See the truth: The MW's +4 bonus expands to work against all illusions. Dignity: The MW gains the ability to resist mind affecting abilities for a while. Spells such as dominate start working with a delay of the WIS modifier of MW. The power of knowledge: The MW can instantly identify any magic items he touches.