Medium Fraccional Save [Archive] - Wizards Community

Medium Fraccional Save [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Jaerom Darkwind
05-28-04, 05:00 PM I'm just putting this here for reference.

I worked out the formula (which is quite wierd) and fraccional progression for the Medium Save bonus yesterday. It goes like this:

Formula: 1 1/5 + 2/5 class level

FRACC
MED MED
LVL SAVE SAVE
1 +1 +1 3/5
2 +2 +2
3 +2 +2 2/5
4 +2 +2 4/5
5 +3 +3 1/5
6 +3 +3 3/5
7 +4 +4
8 +4 +4 2/5
9 +4 +4 4/5
10 +5 +5 1/5
11 +5 +5 3/5
12 +6 +6
13 +6 +6 2/5
14 +6 +6 4/5
15 +7 +7 1/5
16 +7 +7 3/5
17 +8 +8
18 +8 +8 2/5
19 +8 +8 4/5
20 +9 +9 1/5I assume that this progression was determined by visually arranging numbers on a table, because there is no way anyone would have thought "medium save" and started thinking about 5ths.
Lord Schpungus
05-28-04, 08:41 PM you say increase by 1/5 per class level yet the table increases by 2/5. I assume you mean 2/5 since it works out that way.
Jaerom Darkwind
05-29-04, 04:30 PM Oops, my mistake. It's 2/5. Thanks.
SykeXero
06-02-04, 12:18 PM Shouldn't it start out as 1-2/5?

I look at it this way: A good save starts out with 2-1/2 (2 base and 1/2 for level). As such a mid save should be 1-2/5 (1 base and 2/5 for level).

I guess it breaks down to where did that extra 1/5 come from at level 1?
Jaerom Darkwind
06-02-04, 08:44 PM Originally posted by SykeXero
Shouldn't it start out as 1-2/5?

I look at it this way: A good save starts out with 2-1/2 (2 base and 1/2 for level). As such a mid save should be 1-2/5 (1 base and 2/5 for level).

I guess it breaks down to where did that extra 1/5 come from at level 1? Well, I don't really know. The Medium save was invented a long time ago, and it seems WotC didn't have fraccional progressions in mind when they did so. For whatever reason, the progression works out as I have it listed.

And 1 2/5 wouldn't reach 2 until level 3. As written, it works better, I think.
DaTedinator
06-04-04, 12:33 AM I think it came from just averaging the good and poor saves at each level. Each time it equals the Medium save. ;) Did it myself a while ago, didn't think to post it. Oh well. :D
WotC_Andy
06-07-04, 09:35 PM Originally posted by Jaerom Darkwind
Well, I don't really know. The Medium save was invented a long time ago, and it seems WotC didn't have fraccional progressions in mind when they did so.

As the person who created the Medium save progression for Star Wars when I was still a neophyte designer, I can say that's pretty much dead-on accurate. The design team wanted something between the polar extremes of "Good" and "Poor" saves, and that progression split the difference.

I remember, some time after I created the progression, Jonathan Tweet asked me what formula I'd used to build it. After I stared blankly at him for a few seconds, he realized that the 3E designers *hadn't ever told anyone* that there was a formula hiding behind the good & bad save progressions. :rolleyes:
Riznar
06-07-04, 09:55 PM That's sorta crazy that people didn't realize...I never realized that people didn't know it was a formula. I guess having a group entirely of engineers helps a bit. Damn nerds. ;)

EDIT: Err, I just realized that could be taken insultingly, no insult was meant.
Jaerom Darkwind
06-07-04, 10:09 PM Originally posted by WotC_Andy
As the person who created the Medium save progression for Star Wars when I was still a neophyte designer, I can say that's pretty much dead-on accurate. The design team wanted something between the polar extremes of "Good" and "Poor" saves, and that progression split the difference.

I remember, some time after I created the progression, Jonathan Tweet asked me what formula I'd used to build it. After I stared blankly at him for a few seconds, he realized that the 3E designers *hadn't ever told anyone* that there was a formula hiding behind the good & bad save progressions. :rolleyes: Heh, as I suspected. Didn't know you were the one who wrote it, Andy. But in any case, it works out nice enough with this formula. So now you can tell Johnathin Tweet that the formula is definitly a very normal 1 1/5 + 1/5 class level. :D

Beautiful work, by the way, on everything related to UA, and especially the racial paragons.

:bow: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Jaerom Darkwind 05-28-04, 05:00 PM	I'm just putting this here for reference. I worked out the formula (which is quite wierd) and fraccional progression for the Medium Save bonus yesterday. It goes like this: Formula: 1 1/5 + 2/5 class level FRACC MED MED LVL SAVE SAVE 1 +1 +1 3/5 2 +2 +2 3 +2 +2 2/5 4 +2 +2 4/5 5 +3 +3 1/5 6 +3 +3 3/5 7 +4 +4 8 +4 +4 2/5 9 +4 +4 4/5 10 +5 +5 1/5 11 +5 +5 3/5 12 +6 +6 13 +6 +6 2/5 14 +6 +6 4/5 15 +7 +7 1/5 16 +7 +7 3/5 17 +8 +8 18 +8 +8 2/5 19 +8 +8 4/5 20 +9 +9 1/5I assume that this progression was determined by visually arranging numbers on a table, because there is no way anyone would have thought "medium save" and started thinking about 5ths.
Lord Schpungus 05-28-04, 08:41 PM	you say increase by 1/5 per class level yet the table increases by 2/5. I assume you mean 2/5 since it works out that way.
Jaerom Darkwind 05-29-04, 04:30 PM	Oops, my mistake. It's 2/5. Thanks.
SykeXero 06-02-04, 12:18 PM	Shouldn't it start out as 1-2/5? I look at it this way: A good save starts out with 2-1/2 (2 base and 1/2 for level). As such a mid save should be 1-2/5 (1 base and 2/5 for level). I guess it breaks down to where did that extra 1/5 come from at level 1?
Jaerom Darkwind 06-02-04, 08:44 PM	Originally posted by SykeXero Shouldn't it start out as 1-2/5? I look at it this way: A good save starts out with 2-1/2 (2 base and 1/2 for level). As such a mid save should be 1-2/5 (1 base and 2/5 for level). I guess it breaks down to where did that extra 1/5 come from at level 1? Well, I don't really know. The Medium save was invented a long time ago, and it seems WotC didn't have fraccional progressions in mind when they did so. For whatever reason, the progression works out as I have it listed. And 1 2/5 wouldn't reach 2 until level 3. As written, it works better, I think.
DaTedinator 06-04-04, 12:33 AM	I think it came from just averaging the good and poor saves at each level. Each time it equals the Medium save. ;) Did it myself a while ago, didn't think to post it. Oh well. :D
WotC_Andy 06-07-04, 09:35 PM	Originally posted by Jaerom Darkwind Well, I don't really know. The Medium save was invented a long time ago, and it seems WotC didn't have fraccional progressions in mind when they did so. As the person who created the Medium save progression for Star Wars when I was still a neophyte designer, I can say that's pretty much dead-on accurate. The design team wanted something between the polar extremes of "Good" and "Poor" saves, and that progression split the difference. I remember, some time after I created the progression, Jonathan Tweet asked me what formula I'd used to build it. After I stared blankly at him for a few seconds, he realized that the 3E designers hadn't ever told anyone that there was a formula hiding behind the good & bad save progressions. :rolleyes:
Riznar 06-07-04, 09:55 PM	That's sorta crazy that people didn't realize...I never realized that people didn't know it was a formula. I guess having a group entirely of engineers helps a bit. Damn nerds. ;) EDIT: Err, I just realized that could be taken insultingly, no insult was meant.
Jaerom Darkwind 06-07-04, 10:09 PM	Originally posted by WotC_Andy As the person who created the Medium save progression for Star Wars when I was still a neophyte designer, I can say that's pretty much dead-on accurate. The design team wanted something between the polar extremes of "Good" and "Poor" saves, and that progression split the difference. I remember, some time after I created the progression, Jonathan Tweet asked me what formula I'd used to build it. After I stared blankly at him for a few seconds, he realized that the 3E designers hadn't ever told anyone that there was a formula hiding behind the good & bad save progressions. :rolleyes: Heh, as I suspected. Didn't know you were the one who wrote it, Andy. But in any case, it works out nice enough with this formula. So now you can tell Johnathin Tweet that the formula is definitly a very normal 1 1/5 + 1/5 class level. :D Beautiful work, by the way, on everything related to UA, and especially the racial paragons. :bow: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: