Normal Monster DC's vs Gestalt Char's [Archive] - Wizards Community

Normal Monster DC's vs Gestalt Char's [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Machiel_WarriorofDarkness
04-19-04, 03:33 AM I'm wondering about how one would go about tweaking Monster DC's to effectively challenge Gestalt characers. Well made gestalted characters can easily beat the DC's that many regular Low-Epic Level characters would find difficult. My question is how to alter the DC's of monsters to counter this?
strenoth
04-19-04, 01:29 PM character saves won't be signifigantly higher if any higher than normal, they just will have more good dsaves, but few will have ALL good saves, except anything/monk, anydex/cleric, and a couple other combos with 2-good save classes. the max save number will still be about the same.
Tzepish
04-20-04, 05:49 AM Gestalt characters have more good saves, but their save values are actually lower than standard characters' if you are applying the CR adjustments (as you should be). For example, since the Medusa is 2 less CR in a gestalt campaign, the characters will face her 2 levels earlier, so their base good saves will be one point lower, and their bad save(s) (if any) may be a point lower as well.

(Not to mention their spellcasters will be casting spells at one spell level lower, and the fighter types will have 2 less BAB... As long as the CR adjustments are made, gestalt campaigns are not easier than standard ones).

EDIT: I just realized that, due to MAD (for some gestalt builds) and having less potent magical items against the same foes (again, because they are one or two levels lower), the saving throw values may be even lower.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Machiel_WarriorofDarkness 04-19-04, 03:33 AM	I'm wondering about how one would go about tweaking Monster DC's to effectively challenge Gestalt characers. Well made gestalted characters can easily beat the DC's that many regular Low-Epic Level characters would find difficult. My question is how to alter the DC's of monsters to counter this?
strenoth 04-19-04, 01:29 PM	character saves won't be signifigantly higher if any higher than normal, they just will have more good dsaves, but few will have ALL good saves, except anything/monk, anydex/cleric, and a couple other combos with 2-good save classes. the max save number will still be about the same.
Tzepish 04-20-04, 05:49 AM	Gestalt characters have more good saves, but their save values are actually lower than standard characters' if you are applying the CR adjustments (as you should be). For example, since the Medusa is 2 less CR in a gestalt campaign, the characters will face her 2 levels earlier, so their base good saves will be one point lower, and their bad save(s) (if any) may be a point lower as well. (Not to mention their spellcasters will be casting spells at one spell level lower, and the fighter types will have 2 less BAB... As long as the CR adjustments are made, gestalt campaigns are not easier than standard ones). EDIT: I just realized that, due to MAD (for some gestalt builds) and having less potent magical items against the same foes (again, because they are one or two levels lower), the saving throw values may be even lower.