Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Insignia) 04-21-05, 05:50 AM	Hey everyone, I just made an NPC for a game I'm running (a cleric), and he has 8 cha. The rules state that you can turn/rebuke undead 3+cha mod. times per day. Would having a negative cha modifier translate to actually having less that 3 turn attemps/day (2 in this specific case)? Also, after all this time, I've grown kinda bored with the ability in general. Do any of you know a good cleric variant which loses turning in favor of another (non-cha-based) ability? Or could it become a flaw? If you have any ideas/suggestions, please share. :) A
Eliza_Stormwhisper 04-21-05, 06:03 AM	3 + (-1) = 2.
HailSpork 04-21-05, 12:24 PM	Yes, you would have -2 attempts per day. There are a few alternatives to turn undead. There is the planar banishment variant. There is also an alternate cleric build (I don't remember it offhand, but I believe it gets smite instead of turn undead and a few other changes. I could be wrong). There are also divine feats that let you use your turning attempts for other purposes. Honestly though, if you only have 2 uses a day, it's probably not worth substituting. I'm not sure if you even qualify for most divine feats (since they're based on charisma). I believe all of the variants to turning are charisma based. A few of the divine feats don't use charisma score, but you'd only have 2 uses per day (unless you took improved turning). This is mostly done to prevent power-gamers from substituting the ability so they can be as powerful without having a good charisma score.
Insignia) 04-21-05, 12:34 PM	Yeah, that about wraps it up. It's pretty much as I thought (unfortunately). -_- In any case, thanks for the feedback. A