Paladins and Rangers without Spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

Paladins and Rangers without Spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

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MageDance
07-21-06, 01:08 AM Does anyone also dislikes the idea of spellcasting Paladins and Rangers? Well, this is something i never liked since the beginning of (A)D&D. I know there is a variant in the CW (Complete Warrior), does anyone uses it and could tell me if its allright?

I developed a variant myself, its very simple, instead of spells, they gain a bonus feat at 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th and 19th level, it must be a Fighter bonus feat or a Wild (for Rangers) or Divine (for Paladins) feat. I dont know if unbalaces the classes in any way, what you guys think?
Dnjscott
07-21-06, 02:05 AM Kind of makes the Fighter suck in comparison. Though the Pally late levels aren't wonderful, either.
Mystyc
07-21-06, 02:08 AM Can Rangers even use Wild feats? They don't get Wild Shape.
Verelor
07-21-06, 02:34 PM Can Rangers even use Wild feats? They don't get Wild Shape.

If they are playing a wild shape variant (such as the one in UA). But I think that taking a ranger's spellcasting and replacing it with wild shape is a shoddy idea at best; wild shape is profoundly magical.

Does anyone also dislikes the idea of spellcasting Paladins and Rangers? Well, this is something i never liked since the beginning of (A)D&D. I know there is a variant in the CW (Complete Warrior), does anyone uses it and could tell me if its allright?

I developed a variant myself, its very simple, instead of spells, they gain a bonus feat at 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th and 19th level, it must be a Fighter bonus feat or a Wild (for Rangers) or Divine (for Paladins) feat. I dont know if unbalaces the classes in any way, what you guys think?

It is not a new idea. While I have seen several decent non-spellcaster varaints of the ranger (the best one is found here at http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=169174)

I can't recall ever seeing a great nonspellcasting paladin variant.
Thane26425
07-21-06, 03:50 PM I have allowed a Paladin to drop spellcasting, Turn Undead and special mount in favor of more feats.
MageDance
07-22-06, 03:00 AM oh.. yeah... i´m not too much into rules details, so Wild feats are magical shapechanging things? So forget what I said, i thought they were more like "wild" stuff, you know, tracking, hunting, and all that Ranger stuff.. hehe.. sorry for that, I do got the books... just never paid attention to details, I read "wild feats" and I concluded what it should be like, didnt even read it exactly since no on ein my groups plays Rangers and/or Druids, never took a look at it.. hehe.. sorry, my mistake. Well, forget what I said then.. instead of Wild Feats, rangers would gain ... uh.. ."wild" feats, feats that have to do with rangers, yeah, that´s better, instead of making a list, let the players choose something and I´ll say if its allowed or not, better and simpler this way.

So now that this´s been cleared up, what do yo guys think of my idea? Sounds allright making the Ranger and Pal like that?
DragonBringerX
07-23-06, 02:15 AM i proposed an idea about this very thing a little while back...
Ranger
bonus feat at 3rd, 8th, 13th, & 18th.
favored terrain at 2nd, 9th, & 16th

Paladin
bonus feat at 2nd, 7th, 12th, & 17th
favoried enemy at 4th, 11th, & 18th -limited choices though [undead, ousider evil, chaotic, lawful, abberation, and a few others maybe)

Favored Terrain (works just like favored enemy except its +2 on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Spot, Survival, and Know (nature) dealing with that terrain type.
Aquatic
Desert
Forest
Hills
Marsh
Mountain
Plains
Underground

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MageDance 07-21-06, 01:08 AM	Does anyone also dislikes the idea of spellcasting Paladins and Rangers? Well, this is something i never liked since the beginning of (A)D&D. I know there is a variant in the CW (Complete Warrior), does anyone uses it and could tell me if its allright? I developed a variant myself, its very simple, instead of spells, they gain a bonus feat at 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th and 19th level, it must be a Fighter bonus feat or a Wild (for Rangers) or Divine (for Paladins) feat. I dont know if unbalaces the classes in any way, what you guys think?
Dnjscott 07-21-06, 02:05 AM	Kind of makes the Fighter suck in comparison. Though the Pally late levels aren't wonderful, either.
Mystyc 07-21-06, 02:08 AM	Can Rangers even use Wild feats? They don't get Wild Shape.
Verelor 07-21-06, 02:34 PM	Can Rangers even use Wild feats? They don't get Wild Shape. If they are playing a wild shape variant (such as the one in UA). But I think that taking a ranger's spellcasting and replacing it with wild shape is a shoddy idea at best; wild shape is profoundly magical. Does anyone also dislikes the idea of spellcasting Paladins and Rangers? Well, this is something i never liked since the beginning of (A)D&D. I know there is a variant in the CW (Complete Warrior), does anyone uses it and could tell me if its allright? I developed a variant myself, its very simple, instead of spells, they gain a bonus feat at 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th and 19th level, it must be a Fighter bonus feat or a Wild (for Rangers) or Divine (for Paladins) feat. I dont know if unbalaces the classes in any way, what you guys think? It is not a new idea. While I have seen several decent non-spellcaster varaints of the ranger (the best one is found here at http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=169174) I can't recall ever seeing a great nonspellcasting paladin variant.
Thane26425 07-21-06, 03:50 PM	I have allowed a Paladin to drop spellcasting, Turn Undead and special mount in favor of more feats.
MageDance 07-22-06, 03:00 AM	oh.. yeah... i´m not too much into rules details, so Wild feats are magical shapechanging things? So forget what I said, i thought they were more like "wild" stuff, you know, tracking, hunting, and all that Ranger stuff.. hehe.. sorry for that, I do got the books... just never paid attention to details, I read "wild feats" and I concluded what it should be like, didnt even read it exactly since no on ein my groups plays Rangers and/or Druids, never took a look at it.. hehe.. sorry, my mistake. Well, forget what I said then.. instead of Wild Feats, rangers would gain ... uh.. ."wild" feats, feats that have to do with rangers, yeah, that´s better, instead of making a list, let the players choose something and I´ll say if its allowed or not, better and simpler this way. So now that this´s been cleared up, what do yo guys think of my idea? Sounds allright making the Ranger and Pal like that?
DragonBringerX 07-23-06, 02:15 AM	i proposed an idea about this very thing a little while back... Ranger bonus feat at 3rd, 8th, 13th, & 18th. favored terrain at 2nd, 9th, & 16th Paladin bonus feat at 2nd, 7th, 12th, & 17th favoried enemy at 4th, 11th, & 18th -limited choices though [undead, ousider evil, chaotic, lawful, abberation, and a few others maybe) Favored Terrain (works just like favored enemy except its +2 on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Spot, Survival, and Know (nature) dealing with that terrain type. Aquatic Desert Forest Hills Marsh Mountain Plains Underground