Prestige Bards, etc. and Gestalt characters [Archive] - Wizards Community

Prestige Bards, etc. and Gestalt characters [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Wander
02-18-04, 01:11 PM Gestalt rules do not allow pursuit of two prestige classes simultaneously. If you use the rules for prestige bards, paladins, and rangers, you might want to make an exception to the gestalt rules concerning two prestige classes simultaneously. I think these two variant rules are compatible, and the bard, paladin, and ranger are still "basic" enough classes that this might not ruin a campaign of gestalt characters.

FWIW.
Banpai
02-19-04, 05:00 AM I share your oppinion with this issue, its is really not that bad to make exeptions for certain PrCs.
BUT and shtis is an important but, the rule that you can´t take 2 PrCs simultaniously has a good resason to exist, chause certain combinations of Prcs are just to strong in non epic levels. To prove my point: Imagine the following Gestalt (using 3.0 rules to make it more obvious)
Necromancer Wizard 5/Sorc 6
Red Wizard 10 / Shadow Adept 10´
Archmage 5 / Incatatrix4

So lets calculate the save for Necromancy spells : 10 base + 5 Red Wizard + 3 Shadow Adept +6 Archmage + Spell Focus Greater Spell Focus and Tatoo Focus +5 = 29 base save DC so lets cast Finger of Dead: 29+7+3(you need Int or Cha 17 to cast the spell) = so we end up at 39 thats not even for a char with a good Fort base save possible without problems....

So there is a reason why this variant forbits advancing in 2 PrCs at once but you as DM can alway ignore this Rule if the combination does not damage the Game like the Bard PrC.
Wander
02-19-04, 11:55 AM Very true. But for these three, they so strongly resemble the original class, except for the spellcasting, that they don't feel like the usual prestige class. Other than for these, I think the rule prohibiting simultaneous prestige class progression for gestalt characters a good one.

FWIW.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Wander 02-18-04, 01:11 PM	Gestalt rules do not allow pursuit of two prestige classes simultaneously. If you use the rules for prestige bards, paladins, and rangers, you might want to make an exception to the gestalt rules concerning two prestige classes simultaneously. I think these two variant rules are compatible, and the bard, paladin, and ranger are still "basic" enough classes that this might not ruin a campaign of gestalt characters. FWIW.
Banpai 02-19-04, 05:00 AM	I share your oppinion with this issue, its is really not that bad to make exeptions for certain PrCs. BUT and shtis is an important but, the rule that you can´t take 2 PrCs simultaniously has a good resason to exist, chause certain combinations of Prcs are just to strong in non epic levels. To prove my point: Imagine the following Gestalt (using 3.0 rules to make it more obvious) Necromancer Wizard 5/Sorc 6 Red Wizard 10 / Shadow Adept 10´ Archmage 5 / Incatatrix4 So lets calculate the save for Necromancy spells : 10 base + 5 Red Wizard + 3 Shadow Adept +6 Archmage + Spell Focus Greater Spell Focus and Tatoo Focus +5 = 29 base save DC so lets cast Finger of Dead: 29+7+3(you need Int or Cha 17 to cast the spell) = so we end up at 39 thats not even for a char with a good Fort base save possible without problems.... So there is a reason why this variant forbits advancing in 2 PrCs at once but you as DM can alway ignore this Rule if the combination does not damage the Game like the Bard PrC.
Wander 02-19-04, 11:55 AM	Very true. But for these three, they so strongly resemble the original class, except for the spellcasting, that they don't feel like the usual prestige class. Other than for these, I think the rule prohibiting simultaneous prestige class progression for gestalt characters a good one. FWIW.