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BenjaminBinder 10-12-04, 09:31 PM	Unearthed Arcana, p. 60: Rapid Summoning (Ex): Any time a conjurer using this variant casts a summon monster spell, its casting time is 1 standard action rather than 1 full round. (Creatures so summoned can only take action in the round they are summoned.) Conjurers using this variant gain the normal benefits from enhancing a summon monster spell with the Quicken Spell feat. This passage confuses me. What 'benefits' of the Quicken Spell feat are they talking about? The Quicken Spell feat makes the casting time of a spell a free action, but this ability makes the casting time 1 standard action. Is this a typo? I don't understand.
Part-Human2 10-12-04, 11:52 PM	My guess is that Quicken Spell does not work on spells with a 1 full round casting time. Since this makes Summon Monster spells a Standard Action, they now can be affected with the Quicken Spell feat.
MetalGemini 10-13-04, 12:18 AM	Its possible to Quicken a summon monster spell to a free action. A spell must have a casting time of no more than one full-round action (from the PHB) to be Quickened. I'm guessing it means that since the casting time is shortened, the Quickened feat doesn't make the casting time any less than a free action. Kind of like the benefits don't stack, so it wouldn't have a casting time of less than free? Long story short, its there for clarity.
Lord_Fergus 10-16-04, 09:36 AM	The benefit is that in 1 round you could cast a Quickened Summon Monster x and a standard Summon Monster x and both would spells would summon monsters of your choice and have them attacking that round. Without this variant you can only cast one Summon Monster x per round and the summoned creatures would attack on the next round.
hamilcar 10-16-04, 09:29 PM	"QUICKEN SPELL [METAMAGIC] Benefit: Casting a quickened spell is a free action. You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast a quickened spell. You may cast only one quickened spell per round. A spell whose casting time is more than 1 full round action cannot be quickened. A quickened spell uses up a spell slot four levels higher than the spell’s actual level. Casting a quickened spell doesn’t provoke an attack of opportunity. Special: This feat can’t be applied to any spell cast spontaneously (including sorcerer spells, bard spells, and cleric or druid spells cast spontaneously), since applying a metamagic feat to a spontaneously cast spell automatically increases the casting time to a full-round action." -3.5 SRD What they mean, I think, is that even though the spell's casting is shortened, it can still be quickened. The two types of casting faster are not mutually exclusive. This really does make sense to put in there to avoid rules conflicts, although it does seem to cause some confusion.
edsonaoki 10-18-04, 10:28 AM	hamilcar is right. The one who wrote the passage about the Quicken Spell feat was probably just confused.
K@los 10-28-04, 06:37 AM	spells with a casting time of one round can not be quicken, so the variant shortens it to a standard action and we all know that standard actions can be quickened. Kal
hamilcar 10-30-04, 07:50 PM	a full round spell can be quickened. I posted the quicken spell feat above for reference, but I will quote it again here: "A spell whose casting time is more than 1 full round action cannot be quickened." That means a spell with a full round casting can be quickened. I feel that the comment in UA was intended to show that just because the spell had already been shortened in time (from a full round to a standard action) doesn't prevent it from being shortened again (from a standard action to a free action).