Ranger & Paladin non-spellcasting var. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ranger & Paladin non-spellcasting var. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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DragonBringerX
06-25-06, 11:05 PM ok, i had an idea of a ranger and a paladin that didn't get spell-casting, but instead got something different. Now, i used the ranger presented in Iron Kingdoms for reference, but i didnt just copy it. I know they have a varient presented in Comp. War. but i dont like it at all.
Ranger
bonus feat at 3rd, 8th, 13th, & 18th.
favored terrain at 2nd, 9th, & 16th

Paladin
bonus feat at 2nd, 7th, 12th, & 17th
favoried enemy at 4th, 11th, & 18th -limited choices though [undead, ousider evil, chaotic, lawful, abberation, and a few others maybe)

Favored Terrain (works just like favored enemy except its +2 on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Spot, Survival, and Know (nature) dealing with that terrain type.
Aquatic :u:
Desert :t:
Forest :g:
Hills :thinks:
Marsh :b:
Mountain :r:
Plains :w:
Underground :coolcthul

too powerful or is it worth it at all. Should i lower the number of feats or give it something else instead.
Verelor
06-26-06, 12:14 AM A paladin definitely belongs as a divine character. I don't know if I've ever seen a half-decent paladin variant that didn't have spellcasting.

Several good nonspellcaster rangers have been done, like the one in CW and Szatany's Ultimate Ranger (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=169174)
Phoenix Knight
06-26-06, 01:56 AM Favored terrain is a really cool idea, though I suppose you argue it treads on Horizon Walker's turf.

I think favored enemy does make sense for a paladin, too.

As for balance, that's hard to say. What exactly is spellcasting worth? Spellcasting is so powerful that few variants are worth the price of losing it.

I have seen analyses, both ad hoc and thought out that seemed to say a ranger was better with spells than even several bonus feats. A paladin probably has even better spells than a ranger.

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DragonBringerX 06-25-06, 11:05 PM	ok, i had an idea of a ranger and a paladin that didn't get spell-casting, but instead got something different. Now, i used the ranger presented in Iron Kingdoms for reference, but i didnt just copy it. I know they have a varient presented in Comp. War. but i dont like it at all. Ranger bonus feat at 3rd, 8th, 13th, & 18th. favored terrain at 2nd, 9th, & 16th Paladin bonus feat at 2nd, 7th, 12th, & 17th favoried enemy at 4th, 11th, & 18th -limited choices though [undead, ousider evil, chaotic, lawful, abberation, and a few others maybe) Favored Terrain (works just like favored enemy except its +2 on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Spot, Survival, and Know (nature) dealing with that terrain type. Aquatic :u: Desert :t: Forest :g: Hills :thinks: Marsh :b: Mountain :r: Plains :w: Underground :coolcthul too powerful or is it worth it at all. Should i lower the number of feats or give it something else instead.
Verelor 06-26-06, 12:14 AM	A paladin definitely belongs as a divine character. I don't know if I've ever seen a half-decent paladin variant that didn't have spellcasting. Several good nonspellcaster rangers have been done, like the one in CW and Szatany's Ultimate Ranger (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=169174)
Phoenix Knight 06-26-06, 01:56 AM	Favored terrain is a really cool idea, though I suppose you argue it treads on Horizon Walker's turf. I think favored enemy does make sense for a paladin, too. As for balance, that's hard to say. What exactly is spellcasting worth? Spellcasting is so powerful that few variants are worth the price of losing it. I have seen analyses, both ad hoc and thought out that seemed to say a ranger was better with spells than even several bonus feats. A paladin probably has even better spells than a ranger.