Single-class gestalt [Archive] - Wizards Community

Single-class gestalt [Archive] - Wizards Community

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caeruleus
08-20-05, 12:37 PM Yes, single-class gestalt. Here's what I mean. Imagine taking one class, and just doubling up the abilities that it gets. I don't think it would work for most classes, but it might work for some. Here are three examples.

Gestalt Wizard: One spellbook with double the number of spells (six plus twice Int modifier at 1st level, four spells for each level gained), double the number of spells per day (including bonus spells for high Int or for specialization), a bonus feat at every odd-numbered level, with Scribe Scroll being the bonus feat for 1st level (a regular wizard gets five bonus feats over 20 levels, this doubles that for ten bonus feats over 20 levels, and spreads them out). Otherwise just like the wizard.

Gestalt Fighter: Two bonus feats at 1st and 2nd level. One bonus feat per level thereafter (from 11 to 22 bonus feats, spread out a bit). Otherwise just like the fighter.

Gestalt Cleric: Double the number of spells per day (including bonus spells for high Wis, and domain spells), choose four domains, double the number of turn/rebuke attempts per day (including for Cha bonus). Otherwise just like the cleric.

So do you think these would work in a gestalt campaign? I think the main advantage is if you want a character with a specific flavor that only the single classes have.

(Edit: see my multiclassing comments in post#4, in response to Norhg's points)
Mandarbgrim
08-20-05, 12:50 PM Depending on the circumstances I think that could become even more overpowered than normal Gestault. In my opinion that takes away one of the only justifications for gestault not being powergaming, though. The combination of classes seems to generate a richer more varied character concept...this just ups the power level. Good thought, though.
Norhg
08-20-05, 12:54 PM You give me a headache just by making me think about it...
Anyway, sure that works. But only if (example) Wizard 1/Wizard 1 use different caster levels. Later on you might have a Wizard 16/Wizard4, fighter 12.
You would then be a lvl 4 and a lvl 16 Wiz.

That is instead of just doubling every class gives.

(things would get messed up with prestige classes and multiclassing otherwise.)
caeruleus
08-20-05, 01:58 PM You give me a headache just by making me think about it...
Anyway, sure that works. But only if (example) Wizard 1/Wizard 1 use different caster levels. Later on you might have a Wizard 16/Wizard4, fighter 12.
You would then be a lvl 4 and a lvl 16 Wiz.

That is instead of just doubling every class gives.

(things would get messed up with prestige classes and multiclassing otherwise.)

You're right, I had not thought about multiclassing. But then again, I suppose what I had in mind (and did not make explicit) is to make single gestalt classes. So a gestalt fighter/rogue would be one class, and it would be a different class than a gestalt fighter/monk.

Perhaps my idea would work if you did that, but could not take the same class in a different combo. So if I level up as a fighter/rogue, I wouldn't be able to ever level up as a fighter/monk or fighter/fighter, say. Then you wouldn't have to worry about being a wizard 4/wizard 16.

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caeruleus 08-20-05, 12:37 PM	Yes, single-class gestalt. Here's what I mean. Imagine taking one class, and just doubling up the abilities that it gets. I don't think it would work for most classes, but it might work for some. Here are three examples. Gestalt Wizard: One spellbook with double the number of spells (six plus twice Int modifier at 1st level, four spells for each level gained), double the number of spells per day (including bonus spells for high Int or for specialization), a bonus feat at every odd-numbered level, with Scribe Scroll being the bonus feat for 1st level (a regular wizard gets five bonus feats over 20 levels, this doubles that for ten bonus feats over 20 levels, and spreads them out). Otherwise just like the wizard. Gestalt Fighter: Two bonus feats at 1st and 2nd level. One bonus feat per level thereafter (from 11 to 22 bonus feats, spread out a bit). Otherwise just like the fighter. Gestalt Cleric: Double the number of spells per day (including bonus spells for high Wis, and domain spells), choose four domains, double the number of turn/rebuke attempts per day (including for Cha bonus). Otherwise just like the cleric. So do you think these would work in a gestalt campaign? I think the main advantage is if you want a character with a specific flavor that only the single classes have. (Edit: see my multiclassing comments in post#4, in response to Norhg's points)
Mandarbgrim 08-20-05, 12:50 PM	Depending on the circumstances I think that could become even more overpowered than normal Gestault. In my opinion that takes away one of the only justifications for gestault not being powergaming, though. The combination of classes seems to generate a richer more varied character concept...this just ups the power level. Good thought, though.
Norhg 08-20-05, 12:54 PM	You give me a headache just by making me think about it... Anyway, sure that works. But only if (example) Wizard 1/Wizard 1 use different caster levels. Later on you might have a Wizard 16/Wizard4, fighter 12. You would then be a lvl 4 and a lvl 16 Wiz. That is instead of just doubling every class gives. (things would get messed up with prestige classes and multiclassing otherwise.)
caeruleus 08-20-05, 01:58 PM	You give me a headache just by making me think about it... Anyway, sure that works. But only if (example) Wizard 1/Wizard 1 use different caster levels. Later on you might have a Wizard 16/Wizard4, fighter 12. You would then be a lvl 4 and a lvl 16 Wiz. That is instead of just doubling every class gives. (things would get messed up with prestige classes and multiclassing otherwise.) You're right, I had not thought about multiclassing. But then again, I suppose what I had in mind (and did not make explicit) is to make single gestalt classes. So a gestalt fighter/rogue would be one class, and it would be a different class than a gestalt fighter/monk. Perhaps my idea would work if you did that, but could not take the same class in a different combo. So if I level up as a fighter/rogue, I wouldn't be able to ever level up as a fighter/monk or fighter/fighter, say. Then you wouldn't have to worry about being a wizard 4/wizard 16.