Sorcerers, Bonus spells earlier [Archive] - Wizards Community

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codemancac

01-17-06, 10:36 PM
What do you think of the following alteration to the spells per day and spells known tables for sorcerers? In short, they gain their bonus spells one level earlier.

Spells per Day
.LVL 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
.1st 5 3 — — — — — — — —
.2nd 6 4 — — — — — — — —
.3rd 6 5 0 — — — — — — —
.4th 6 6 3 — — — — — — —
.5th 6 6 4 0 — — — — — —
.6th 6 6 5 3 — — — — — —
.7th 6 6 6 4 0 — — — — —
.8th 6 6 6 5 3 — — — — —
.9th 6 6 6 6 4 0 — — — —
10th 6 6 6 6 5 3 — — — —
11th 6 6 6 6 6 4 0 — — —
12th 6 6 6 6 6 5 3 — — —
13th 6 6 6 6 6 6 4 0 — —
14th 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3 — —
15th 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4 0 —
16th 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3 —
17th 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4 0
18th 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3
19th 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4
20th 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6


Spells Known
.LVL 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
.1st 4 2 — — — — — — — —
.2nd 5 2 — — — — — — — —
.3rd 5 3 * — — — — — — —
.4th 6 3 1 — — — — — — —
.5th 6 4 2 * — — — — — —
.6th 7 4 2 1 — — — — — —
.7th 7 5 3 2 * — — — — —
.8th 8 5 3 2 1 — — — — —
.9th 8 5 4 3 2 * — — — —
10th 9 5 4 3 2 1 — — — —
11th 9 5 5 4 3 2 * — — —
12th 9 5 5 4 3 2 1 — — —
13th 9 5 5 4 4 3 2 * — —
14th 9 5 5 4 4 3 2 1 — —
15th 9 5 5 4 4 4 3 2 * —
16th 9 5 5 4 4 4 3 2 1 —
17th 9 5 5 4 4 4 3 3 2 *
18th 9 5 5 4 4 4 3 3 2 1
19th 9 5 5 4 4 4 3 3 3 2
20th 9 5 5 4 4 4 3 3 3 3

*One spell is known, provided the sorcerer has a high enough charisma score to cast a bonus spell of this level.
Crimson_Concerto

01-17-06, 11:10 PM
That is EXACTLY what my group does...
It works out fine.
codemancac

01-18-06, 03:03 PM
Do you think that the battle sorcerer variant from unearthed arcana should also gain bonus spells earlier?
Crimson_Concerto

01-18-06, 08:54 PM
Do you think that the battle sorcerer variant from unearthed arcana should also gain bonus spells earlier?I don't see why not.
FriendlyBiscuit

01-19-06, 05:02 AM
I can't say whether or not this is balanced, but as far as sorceror fixes go, it's a breath of fresh air from the "I give sorcerors eschew materials and metamagic feats free!" fixes.
AquaticSpaceChicken

01-19-06, 08:44 AM
I don't necessarily think Sorcerers are unbalanced to start with, but I admire the simple elegance of your fix.

**tucks codemancac's idea into brain, for future reference**
Valoy_Muniz

01-19-06, 09:46 AM
I for one like it. I do not think I would give it to a battle soc though.
Xabre

01-19-06, 10:01 AM
All I'd probably do for battle sorcerer is allow the levels where 1-1=0 to take bonus spells. Therefore, they're still not delayed ANOTHER level to learn spells of new levels.

Kudos on the spell progression, though. It's decent.
Darth Sephiroth

01-20-06, 11:39 AM
I just gave them a single Minor Dragon bloodlines abilities thats chosen at level 1.
RaspK FOG

01-20-06, 11:51 AM
Elegant, logical... ;)
codemancac

01-20-06, 12:05 PM
I appreciate the comments and critiques. :)