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Grizzled Gryphon 01-03-07, 04:34 AM	What? What would this very nice new class mix well with in your book?
unundindur 01-03-07, 10:25 AM	What? What would this very nice new class mix well with in your book? You mean to get a powerful character? If that is the case this is the wrong sub-forum :) Head over to character optimization, or if you don't want insame powermongering see the class-forum. Take care :)
Grizzled Gryphon 01-03-07, 11:52 AM	How is this the wrong forum, when the gestalt option is from unearthed arcana? As it is, this is the right forum for this. As I have done this before, most notably with the Classes from Tome of Battle, and got some well thought out responses, this is most CERTAINLY the right forum. Thanks anyway, though. Back to the topic, I was only wondering what you guys would gestalt this with, and why. I can only assume that gestalting this class with any class that uses armor would be bad, as he wouldn't be able to use his innvocations without incurring arcane spell failure. Of course, there are suits of armor that wouldn't incur a Arcane Spell Failure Chance. How about DA/Monk? Wizard seems like another good one. But Sorcerer seems like the best, as it benefits from the same stats as the DA.
Bill Bisco: Average Adventurer 01-03-07, 01:24 PM	You mean to get a powerful character? If that is the case this is the wrong sub-forum :) Head over to character optimization, or if you don't want insame powermongering see the class-forum. Take care :) Character Optimization has nothing to do with Insane Powermongering ;) It has to do with making characters effective at what they're supposed to do.
strenoth 01-03-07, 01:32 PM	Dragon Shaman, for 2 sets of breath weapons! (the shaman's at least you can meta-breath) + other buffs. Warlock, for even more invocations, and a better EB Cleric or Druid, just because. :-D
d24478667 01-03-07, 05:47 PM	You can metabreath adepts to. It is in the Dragon Magic thread, from Raz. Page 3 or so, I think.
sren 01-03-07, 07:26 PM	I love the gestalt concept... too bad I haven't been able to get any DM to try it other than myself... As for what to gestalt a Dragonfire adept with; almost anything. As you already pointed out, there's a problem with armor, so strike the fighter classes that go best with heavy armor to make the character concept work. Since dragonfire adepts don't fit perfectly into any party role, the easiest solution is to pick one of the basic party roles, and find a good class to make the dragonfire adept fit that party role. I've found, that my personal opinion on gestalts is to try and make them good at two things instead of trying to optimize them for one purpose, so my advice here will try to reflect that. Party Role: Fighter (Meat Shield or Tank, whichever you prefer) Swordsage and monk are decent choices to make a dragonfire adept into a fighter. Both get to add their wisdom bonus to AC, so they aren't dependant on armor, and both have a good selection of combat abilities that make up for (at least partially) for their medium BAB. If you want a slightly better melee combatant, go with ranger. While the ranger normally wears armor, he can get away with light armor, bracers of armor, or even no armor if you're careful. He gets full BAB AND eventually gets some divine spells (HEALING!), so you can even back up the cleric occasionally, or carry the wand of Cure Light Wounds the party has (your party does have one of these? Right? RIGHT!) The Dragonfire adepts breath is optimized for close up use (to catch more opponents), so making him competant in melee does a good job in helping him take advantage of his signature ability. Party Role: Blaster Any of the blaster classes work pretty well with the dragonfire adept, but they don't really let him do anything he doesn't already do (although they let him do it better). Sorcerer and Wizard are both good choices, depending on what you want to play. Soem of the partial spellcasters work good as well. Since there aren't any prestige classes designed for a dragonfire adept, choosing to mix him with bard, and the PrC (I've forgotten the name, sorry) that allows bards to learn other sorc/wizard spells might be a good option. That would give you access to healing and blasting. Making a DA a gestalt blaster shuold be fun, but doesn't really let him fill or even partially back-up one of the other standard party roles, so its definately not the best option, however, I really like playing wizards, so I'd personally be tempted to go wizard (just remember to prep extra defensive spells so you don't become a serious liability to the rest of the group when you rush into combat to use your 15-foot cone attack). Warlocks are great fun too, but all they really do is reinforce the abilities the DA already has (endless supply of damage, and a few unlimited use spell-like abilities). Party Role: Expert (trap finder; skilled or unskilled doesn't matter, as long as the rest of the party is fine) Any of the trapfinding classes would also work really well with the DA. Rogues and scouts both have good melee combat skills, aren't dependant on heavy armor, are useful to the party outside of comabat, and they get a lot of skillpoints. In the expert's role as scout, invocations that help conceal the DA or let him fly allow the DA to be an excellent scout if he also has good perception skills. Party Role: Healer (every party needs a couple, but not always fun to play) A dragonfire adept who worships one of the dragon gods should be a common concept for gestalts, but a lot of people shy away from playing cleriks (at least in my experience). The DA//Cleric mix brings save bonuses, better BAB and better HD to the character, in addition to powerful spells, but doesn't bring more skills, which makes filling the healer/cleric role a little difficult (requires at least one skill, generally two skills; Heal and Knowledge (religion)). For a backup healer, as someone already pointed out, you could go DA//Dragon Totem Shaman, but there's a lot of overlap in abilities there. At that point, your character is weaker than the a gestalt between Dragon Totem Shaman and Warlock, only with shorter range attacks, and less invocation, with the only upside being able to change your breath weapon's energy type (somehthing the warlock's eldritch blast can do if you take the right invocations anyways). Bottom line, you really need to decide what you want in the most general terms for the characters before I can give any really helpful advice, but I'd shy away from healer if you were alread sure you wanted to play a dragonfire adept. Hope that was somewhat helpful, S'Ren
Damionte 01-03-07, 10:09 PM	Since the Dragonfire adept can't wear armor but has a good con score as thier primary cast stat they gestalt great with the monk!
Grizzled Gryphon 01-03-07, 10:32 PM	Oh, I am not looking for a build, here. just like I wasn't looking for one with the thread for the TOB classes. I am just curious as to what every one else thinks would be a good build. I think the Bard would be a pretty good one, though. Nice sinergy with the cha for both classes. Talk about the face man for a group. Sorcerer would work nicley, too. Don't need to take all the blasty spells, as that is very adequetly covered by the breath weapon. Maybe not as damaging as some spells can become, but still... Dragon Shaman is an interesting choice, too. Unfortunately, according to CustServ, the DFA is not elible to take the metabreath feats. However, as you can take them as a Dragon Shaman, there is nothing saying you can't use them with the breath weapon from DFA.
Grizzled Gryphon 01-13-07, 09:41 AM	No one else has any interesting combos with this class? Bummer.
WackyOne 01-13-07, 10:28 AM	For the fun factor, I would take Druid (or Wildshaping Ranger). I find a flame-breathing monkey (or rhino, or crocodile)... a strangely appropriate combination (btw, you'd use the form Constitution for the DC, and your AC would - finally - be appropriate to the frontal position you are taking on the battlefield). Or Sorceror. The Breath Spells could get more out of your breath weapon, and that bonus "dragontouched" feat would be put to good use - but I think you would end up using very rarely the breath weapon and invocations, focusing on spells.
strenoth 01-13-07, 01:58 PM	Party Role: Walking flamethrower/tank Race: Warforged dragonborn (It's Legal! and retains the benifit of Living Construct type, and any racial feats like Adamantine body, but looses the default composite plate....) Class: Adept/shaman like I said before result: 3 breath weapons, one of which can be a non-fire enrgy type by default, and another can be changed starting at 5th level. Feat Selection: Maybe Mithral or adamantine Body (iffy, gets you ASF for your invocations, but if you stick with all day buffs...), rest shoudl be meta-breath. Round 1: Quickend breath, non-quickend breath Round 2; Quickend breath, soem other action :)
Issaru 01-15-07, 01:01 PM	Totemist! both use con for their primary abilities, and you can get great synergies by using specific melds.
Grizzled Gryphon 01-15-07, 09:12 PM	Totemist is from Tome of MAgic, or Magic of Incarnum? Man, I need to get those books...
strenoth 01-16-07, 03:45 AM	MoI for totemist. All soulmelding is Con based
Grizzled Gryphon 02-04-07, 10:41 AM	Hmmm, Monk/Dragonfire Adept... I like it. That is a pretty cool combo.
Engilbrand 02-05-07, 10:32 PM	The Totemist idea is interesting. It would be possible with any of the Magic of Incarnum classes, though. You just make yourself a "Knight" of dragons and go from there. A Good Incarnate could boost AC a ridiculous amount. You wouldn't even need Armor. Sorceror is the most obvious. Con and Cha are good. You can stick with the same theme. Dragonfire Adept/ Warlock? Hurray for close range and long range. Invocations are your friends. Con and Cha are both good. Just out of curiosity, is Kris's game gestalt? I must have missed that. Or is this for another game? Also, I still want to point out that Magic of Incarnum is on amazon for under 9 bucks if you go for a used copy.
Grizzled Gryphon 02-06-07, 08:24 AM	This isn't for anything in particular. I was just curious what other people thought about this class in a gestalt. And yes, I realize that the book is only 9 bucks on amazon. If I could spare the money, I would, but I can't.
Grizzled Gryphon 02-13-07, 12:26 PM	Well, the nicest I have seen is the Dragonfire Adept/Sorcerer. That looks to be the best.