Thinning out Bloodlines. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Thinning out Bloodlines. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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jagggar
03-16-04, 08:08 PM How long would it take for the blood from the source to thin out to lesser bloodlines, and eventually into no effect?

And with creatures who normally produce half-breeds (half-dragons, half-celestials, half-fiends, etc.), how long should their blood last untill it turns into a bloodline?
Willie the Duck
03-16-04, 10:54 PM deliberately left vague.
jagggar
03-16-04, 11:07 PM As in I need to clarify my post, or as in "no comment"?
Kastas
03-16-04, 11:22 PM As in, they probably left it undefined on purpose. It's up for you to decide how you want it to work in your game, and it probably varies on a case by case basis. You could rule that a given bloodline lasts for a few generations, or for hundreds.
jagggar
03-16-04, 11:24 PM And that's what I was looking for, personal-preference house rules.
Masterful_Norg
03-17-04, 03:52 AM Well, you could try using a Punnet Square to determine percentage chances and then roll to see how much of the blood line was passed on for any given offspring.

Lets see here. First we have to decide If a bloodline is a dominant gene, a recessive gene or a codominant gene. Well obviously we know it isnt just one gene, its a complete one half of the genes which make up both species, so rather than a Punnet Square it will probably go like this.

Union between a dragon and a human= half dragon.
Union between a half dragon and a human= human with highest possible blood line.
Union between human with highest possible blood line and a human= human with second highest blood line.
Etc.

Going the otherway a half dragon, no matter how many times it or its kin or its kin's kin mate with dragons, never will a trully full dragon be wrought until you get down to the very last half of a dragon gene, in which case it will not even be the same due to mutation and the infinitely complex random aspect of hereditary genetics.

Best to just decide yourself. I mean, your god!
VanDeBeast
03-17-04, 01:51 PM Generally half-breeds are only that way for the first generation. Thereafter they would either be considered human (or whatever the base race was) or they could become the equivalent of planetouched for a few generations. The classic example is the half-elf, which only was considered to be such if the elven blood was a fraction of the blood half or greater, but less than pure. I wish I could recall which source that was from, but I can't and most of my pre-3e stuff is inaccessable right now.

Birthright used a blood strength to track the strength of bloodlines in scions (characters with divine blood in thier heritage) and would average the strength of the parents to find the children's strength. So a bloodline could drop to lesser fairly quickly and then take a while to disapeer entirely.

I'd suggest 3-5 generations at each level unless some effort is made to preserve the line in the family. However, I'd also allow for exceptional members of a bloodline to appear every so often, allowing a character with a major bloodline to appear in a family whose bloodline has degenerated to a lesser one.

I hope this makes some sense.
jagggar
03-17-04, 06:25 PM Generations Removed
From Source
Half-breed 100% 1
Half-breed 50% 2
Major 100% 3
Major 75% 4
Major 50% 5
Major 25% 6
Intermediate 100% 7
Intermediate 85% 8
Intermediate 70% 9
Intermediate 55% 10
Intermediate 40% 11
Intermediate 25% 12
Intermediate 10% 13
Minor 100% 14
Minor 90% 15
Minor 80% 16
Minor 70% 17
Minor 60% 18
Minor 50% 19
Minor 40% 20
Minor 30% 21
Minor 20% 22
Minor 10% 23

I've got two ideas for using the chart.

1: If the strength of the blood is not strong enough to continue on the current line, then the next strength of the bloodline is enacted at 100% and the next generation will follow the precentages from there. (A bloodline could disappear by the 5th generation.)

2: If the strenght of the blood is not strong enough to continue on the current line, then the next strength and continues at 100% until the percentages would normally begin to fall. (A bloodline could not disappear untill the 25th generation.)
Paraboombo
03-18-04, 11:14 AM I'm of the opinion that bloodlines are something that can also lie dormant and then, one generation, come to light.
Gloom of the Night
03-18-04, 03:18 PM I like the idea of breaking it down into percentages, but i would ask for some clarifications.

1. Genetically speaking, depending on what type of gene it is, a whole slew of generations can have the gene and it can never be personified (like Hemophilia where the gene is carried by females, but only personified in males). But I think it would best to call 'bloodlines' a magical gene, one that could become personified, even after a very very long time. Therefore I think bloodlines should never disappear, they are just reduced to 1% and every child born with 1% has a chance of having any degree of bloodline power.

2. In your chart, does the % refer to the 'power' of the bloodline, or the chances of having that power of the bloodline. For example, in the major; is the second gerneration 50% to have a major bloodline, or is the major bloodline 50% of what it should be?

3. Concerning the later, how would you show a "50%" bloodline.

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On a side note, what about other bloodlines? does anyone have new ones?

-Gloom
jagggar
03-18-04, 03:43 PM 1. Yeah, I didn't want to get too genetical (geneticly-technical). I would agree with the 1% chance (except that I wouldn't roll it up for every single person in a town, which is proably a given).

2. It's the chance of having a bloodline of that strenght. If you don't, you go down one level in strength.

3. I'd consider a half-power Major bloodline a Intermediate bloodline. ^.^;

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
jagggar 03-16-04, 08:08 PM	How long would it take for the blood from the source to thin out to lesser bloodlines, and eventually into no effect? And with creatures who normally produce half-breeds (half-dragons, half-celestials, half-fiends, etc.), how long should their blood last untill it turns into a bloodline?
Willie the Duck 03-16-04, 10:54 PM	deliberately left vague.
jagggar 03-16-04, 11:07 PM	As in I need to clarify my post, or as in "no comment"?
Kastas 03-16-04, 11:22 PM	As in, they probably left it undefined on purpose. It's up for you to decide how you want it to work in your game, and it probably varies on a case by case basis. You could rule that a given bloodline lasts for a few generations, or for hundreds.
jagggar 03-16-04, 11:24 PM	And that's what I was looking for, personal-preference house rules.
Masterful_Norg 03-17-04, 03:52 AM	Well, you could try using a Punnet Square to determine percentage chances and then roll to see how much of the blood line was passed on for any given offspring. Lets see here. First we have to decide If a bloodline is a dominant gene, a recessive gene or a codominant gene. Well obviously we know it isnt just one gene, its a complete one half of the genes which make up both species, so rather than a Punnet Square it will probably go like this. Union between a dragon and a human= half dragon. Union between a half dragon and a human= human with highest possible blood line. Union between human with highest possible blood line and a human= human with second highest blood line. Etc. Going the otherway a half dragon, no matter how many times it or its kin or its kin's kin mate with dragons, never will a trully full dragon be wrought until you get down to the very last half of a dragon gene, in which case it will not even be the same due to mutation and the infinitely complex random aspect of hereditary genetics. Best to just decide yourself. I mean, your god!
VanDeBeast 03-17-04, 01:51 PM	Generally half-breeds are only that way for the first generation. Thereafter they would either be considered human (or whatever the base race was) or they could become the equivalent of planetouched for a few generations. The classic example is the half-elf, which only was considered to be such if the elven blood was a fraction of the blood half or greater, but less than pure. I wish I could recall which source that was from, but I can't and most of my pre-3e stuff is inaccessable right now. Birthright used a blood strength to track the strength of bloodlines in scions (characters with divine blood in thier heritage) and would average the strength of the parents to find the children's strength. So a bloodline could drop to lesser fairly quickly and then take a while to disapeer entirely. I'd suggest 3-5 generations at each level unless some effort is made to preserve the line in the family. However, I'd also allow for exceptional members of a bloodline to appear every so often, allowing a character with a major bloodline to appear in a family whose bloodline has degenerated to a lesser one. I hope this makes some sense.
jagggar 03-17-04, 06:25 PM	Generations Removed From Source Half-breed 100% 1 Half-breed 50% 2 Major 100% 3 Major 75% 4 Major 50% 5 Major 25% 6 Intermediate 100% 7 Intermediate 85% 8 Intermediate 70% 9 Intermediate 55% 10 Intermediate 40% 11 Intermediate 25% 12 Intermediate 10% 13 Minor 100% 14 Minor 90% 15 Minor 80% 16 Minor 70% 17 Minor 60% 18 Minor 50% 19 Minor 40% 20 Minor 30% 21 Minor 20% 22 Minor 10% 23 I've got two ideas for using the chart. 1: If the strength of the blood is not strong enough to continue on the current line, then the next strength of the bloodline is enacted at 100% and the next generation will follow the precentages from there. (A bloodline could disappear by the 5th generation.) 2: If the strenght of the blood is not strong enough to continue on the current line, then the next strength and continues at 100% until the percentages would normally begin to fall. (A bloodline could not disappear untill the 25th generation.)
Paraboombo 03-18-04, 11:14 AM	I'm of the opinion that bloodlines are something that can also lie dormant and then, one generation, come to light.
Gloom of the Night 03-18-04, 03:18 PM	I like the idea of breaking it down into percentages, but i would ask for some clarifications. 1. Genetically speaking, depending on what type of gene it is, a whole slew of generations can have the gene and it can never be personified (like Hemophilia where the gene is carried by females, but only personified in males). But I think it would best to call 'bloodlines' a magical gene, one that could become personified, even after a very very long time. Therefore I think bloodlines should never disappear, they are just reduced to 1% and every child born with 1% has a chance of having any degree of bloodline power. 2. In your chart, does the % refer to the 'power' of the bloodline, or the chances of having that power of the bloodline. For example, in the major; is the second gerneration 50% to have a major bloodline, or is the major bloodline 50% of what it should be? 3. Concerning the later, how would you show a "50%" bloodline. ======================================== ==== On a side note, what about other bloodlines? does anyone have new ones? -Gloom
jagggar 03-18-04, 03:43 PM	1. Yeah, I didn't want to get too genetical (geneticly-technical). I would agree with the 1% chance (except that I wouldn't roll it up for every single person in a town, which is proably a given). 2. It's the chance of having a bloodline of that strenght. If you don't, you go down one level in strength. 3. I'd consider a half-power Major bloodline a Intermediate bloodline. ^.^;