Varient Rogue [Archive] - Wizards Community

Varient Rogue [Archive] - Wizards Community

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RobbyPants
10-17-06, 10:27 AM Pertaining to the varient Rogue in UA (the one that gets fighter feats in place of sneak attack), it seems a little powerful in that a 2 level dip in fighter gets 2 bonus feats, and a 2 level dip in the varient rogue gets you 2 fighter feats. Thus, you could have 4 feats (not counting 1st and 3rd level, plus any bonus feats) at 4th level! :eek:

Is the idea that if you're using the varient rogue, you should use the varient fighter (gets sneak attack in place of feats)? Or is it acceptable to min/max the crap out of this one!?! :plotting:
Thelon Fairblade
10-17-06, 01:33 PM Most characters aren't going to be overpowered by 4 feats over 4 levels. Remember that the 2 levels of rogue only get you 1 BAB (for example), and 2d6 hp.

IMC, I allowed both types of rogue and both types of fighter. I had one CORE rogue take a couple levels of "feat rogue" to qualify for shadowdancer without taking fighter levels. But he gave up sneak attack and the BAB/hp bonus he would have gotten from other choices.

Essentially, you are just saying that "1d6 Sneak Attack" is a feat, like any other. Mix and match as you choose.

Also, the feat-rogue does not gain feats at 1st and 2nd... he gets them at 1st and 3rd...
RobbyPants
10-17-06, 02:44 PM Also, the feat-rogue does not gain feats at 1st and 2nd... he gets them at 1st and 3rd...
I'm not so sure about that... I looked at the wording specifically to check on that.

My impression was that the varient rogue gets bonus feats like a fighter and loses sneak attack. It doesn't say that they get a bonus feat in place of each previous die of sneak attack damage. Vice versa for the fighter.
Thelon Fairblade
10-17-06, 03:18 PM Hmm... you may be right on that. I'll have to check at home.

In any case, the original answer stands -- it won't break your game. :-)
RobbyPants
10-17-06, 03:29 PM In any case, the original answer stands -- it won't break your game. :-)
All in all, I think you're right.
rydi123
10-17-06, 04:12 PM why stop at variant rogue?

just take 2 monk/2 fighter instead for a 5 feats, evasion, wis to ac, and incredible saves.

rogue/fighter just doesnt measure up to that...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
RobbyPants 10-17-06, 10:27 AM	Pertaining to the varient Rogue in UA (the one that gets fighter feats in place of sneak attack), it seems a little powerful in that a 2 level dip in fighter gets 2 bonus feats, and a 2 level dip in the varient rogue gets you 2 fighter feats. Thus, you could have 4 feats (not counting 1st and 3rd level, plus any bonus feats) at 4th level! :eek: Is the idea that if you're using the varient rogue, you should use the varient fighter (gets sneak attack in place of feats)? Or is it acceptable to min/max the crap out of this one!?! :plotting:
Thelon Fairblade 10-17-06, 01:33 PM	Most characters aren't going to be overpowered by 4 feats over 4 levels. Remember that the 2 levels of rogue only get you 1 BAB (for example), and 2d6 hp. IMC, I allowed both types of rogue and both types of fighter. I had one CORE rogue take a couple levels of "feat rogue" to qualify for shadowdancer without taking fighter levels. But he gave up sneak attack and the BAB/hp bonus he would have gotten from other choices. Essentially, you are just saying that "1d6 Sneak Attack" is a feat, like any other. Mix and match as you choose. Also, the feat-rogue does not gain feats at 1st and 2nd... he gets them at 1st and 3rd...
RobbyPants 10-17-06, 02:44 PM	Also, the feat-rogue does not gain feats at 1st and 2nd... he gets them at 1st and 3rd... I'm not so sure about that... I looked at the wording specifically to check on that. My impression was that the varient rogue gets bonus feats like a fighter and loses sneak attack. It doesn't say that they get a bonus feat in place of each previous die of sneak attack damage. Vice versa for the fighter.
Thelon Fairblade 10-17-06, 03:18 PM	Hmm... you may be right on that. I'll have to check at home. In any case, the original answer stands -- it won't break your game. :-)
RobbyPants 10-17-06, 03:29 PM	In any case, the original answer stands -- it won't break your game. :-) All in all, I think you're right.
rydi123 10-17-06, 04:12 PM	why stop at variant rogue? just take 2 monk/2 fighter instead for a 5 feats, evasion, wis to ac, and incredible saves. rogue/fighter just doesnt measure up to that...